Brisbane Roar or Brisbane City? It’s a conundrum!

David McDaniel Roar Pro

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    Recently I wrote my maiden article about how I have been following Chelsea through thick and thin for almost 40 years, but am I about to become a hypocrite?

    The Queensland Lions approached me before they had even come up with a name to start a supporters club. I met with Lawrence Oudendyk, Andrew Doak, Gareth Ball and others and the process started.

    After a meeting, I was elected the first president of the Official Queensland Roar Supporters Club and the next two years were a blast. We didn’t win anything but we set a good base and had a lot of fun!

    I have been a member and season ticket holder for every season except one and I go to every game that I can due to my FIFO role at the moment.

    So why is this a conundrum?

    The Bakries are a part; I am not happy with how they have treated the club and the name was a huge disappointment for me. As the name was announced at the launch Doaky, was watching me to see my reaction and he saw what I thought.

    When the Perth Glory first visited I met their president and had a few drink with them. I got up on a table in the middle of a sea of purple and led them in a song “We are the team with the stupid f####ing name!”

    All in all, the management of the Roar has left a lot to be desired up until the last 12 months where there has been a marked improvement.

    Another part is the Brisbane City bid. It looks extremely professional and they are planning to use Ballymore as their home ground.

    Before the GFC there were plans to upgrade Ballymore which were approved but then QRU ran out of money. If it was upgraded we would have a boutique 24,000-seat stadium which is a perfect size for an A-League side and would be a lot cheaper to play out of than Suncorp.

    The final part is probably the most important and it is purely tribal. Brisbane Roar was created by the Lions and is a south-side club. I am a north-side boy and always will be. If City’s bid gets approved, which I think and hope it will, we will have a north/south rivalry which will actually mean something (think Liverpool/Everton, Rangers/Celtic).

    It’s going to be hard as the Roar is starting to turn into a real club and we have history, but you have to go with your gut and your heart.

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    • May 15th 2017 @ 9:25am
      Waz said | May 15th 2017 @ 9:25am | ! Report

      when living in England many years ago I had the pleasure of a long train journey with some Wimbledon fans who were on their way back from some Division One (now EPL) game. Part of the discussion was similar to what you describe here; as Wimbledon went from non-league to the top flight allegences were tested as non-League/lower league Wimbledon Supporters also followed an Arsenal or a Spurs or for the unlucky few (in those days) even Chelsea. But now they were a Div 1 side those alegences were no longer necessary or appropriate. So what did they do? Like you they followed their gut instinct and did what felt right, you can’t fake this stuff (unless you’re a SFC blow-in of course).

      So if a newly formed FCBC playing out of a stadium with no roofs over most of it, with food served out of vans in the car park, and a (sensible?) name of Gladiators – if all that does it for you, then it’s okay to flip; and I’m sure you won’t be alone. The Bakries and Kingsman have pulled their socks up this past year but competition means they must keep them pulled up or disenfranchised fans will have an alternative. So City or Strikers, staying loyal to Roar or flippers like you, it doesn’t matter – this city needs a second team and it needs it before Roar gets its act fully together or there may not be any room for a second side.

      The bottom line is, it doesn’t matter which QLD side beats Sydney, just as long as they get beat!

      • Roar Pro

        May 15th 2017 @ 3:41pm
        Jeff Williamson said | May 15th 2017 @ 3:41pm | ! Report

        Waz, your train story is so true.

        Many people do support clubs in lower leagues and different leagues. They can, because those clubs never play against each other.

        One reason Canberra is a great expansion choice for the A-league is that it does not take away supporters from other A-league clubs.

        It is better for the A-league to expand to places where there are no existing A-league clubs.

        • May 15th 2017 @ 4:08pm
          Lionheart said | May 15th 2017 @ 4:08pm | ! Report

          aah Jeff. So you say Roar has all the supporters Brisbane and QLD has to offer. OK, I know you don’t mean that, but it is inferred in what you say. Personally, I think there’s a pretty obvious reason Roar is not drawing a regular 15-20K crowd to home matches and it’s quite obviously not their results. I would be very disappointed if we all sat back and let it rest at that. Roar need to lift their game and the best way to do that is to give them some decent local competition.

          • Roar Pro

            May 15th 2017 @ 5:13pm
            Jeff Williamson said | May 15th 2017 @ 5:13pm | ! Report

            David’s article was about whether he should stop supporting Brisbane Roar and switch to Brisbane City.
            That certainly does reflect that there are people who want a change in Brisbane. And I understand the point about competition for existing clubs. But what is best for the A-league?

            I think A-league expansion should be more about the parts of Australia that do not even have an A-league team.

            Canberra is a great example. There is no talk in Canberra about dropping support for one club and choosing another. Canberra just wants an A-league team.

            As well as Canberra, there are people in Wollongong, Geelong, Tasmania and even other parts of Queensland who would like their own team.

            • May 15th 2017 @ 5:56pm
              Lionheart said | May 15th 2017 @ 5:56pm | ! Report

              fair enough, but they have to be able to sustain it with crowd support.
              I hope they’ve all put in bids, otherwise it is not right to say they want an A League team.

            • Roar Pro

              May 16th 2017 @ 1:31pm
              David McDaniel said | May 16th 2017 @ 1:31pm | ! Report

              Hi Jeff,

              Thanks for your comments. I agree completely, I would love Canberra and Woolongong to get the 2 spots but I think it is more likely, unfortunately, that South Sydney will get one and possibly Brisbane the second.

              Of course, this is all conjecture while FFA decide which bid will give them the most money.

    • May 15th 2017 @ 9:57am
      pauly said | May 15th 2017 @ 9:57am | ! Report

      Hate to break it to ya, but plenty of Roar supporters are proud northsiders. The northside-southside thing doesn’t really extend to sport (more little things like Chermside v Carindale, day trip to Gold Coast v Sunshine Coast etc)

      • May 15th 2017 @ 10:13am
        Waz said | May 15th 2017 @ 10:13am | ! Report

        That’s pretty much it Pauly. I’m a north sider and I’m not flipping to City based on geography. The narrative for City has already been written though – new club but with heritage and history vs “old” Roar, boutique suburban stadium vs Suncorp, challenger vs 3 times champions … that’s the sort of angle they need to take, if anyone wants a geographic divide then move to Sydney because you won’t make one work in Brisbane. You just won’t

        • May 15th 2017 @ 1:14pm
          Pauly said | May 15th 2017 @ 1:14pm | ! Report

          Waz, they strike me as another Melbourne City.

          Great for the people who hate the incumbent. And empty seats.

          • Roar Pro

            May 16th 2017 @ 1:36pm
            David McDaniel said | May 16th 2017 @ 1:36pm | ! Report

            Hi Pauly, thanks for your comment. City are an entrenched club with a good fan base and an established youth system so they will be nothing like Melbourne City who had to create a fan base and start from scratch.

            Whether it is right or wrong, many brisbane football fans will not follow the Roar becoause of the links to the Lions. The same thing will happen with City but I think they will start with a strong base which they can develop with astute management and marketing.

      • May 15th 2017 @ 3:15pm
        brisvegas said | May 15th 2017 @ 3:15pm | ! Report

        As a relative newcomer to Brisbane maybe I have a different perspective. Firstly. I don’t think there’s a strong N/S divide, but every now and then I do get a sense that there is one. I live on the south side – West End (if that can be considered south – we are so cool that we are mostly citizens of the world and don’t accept difference) – and rarely venture to the north side (mainly to Suncorp and the occasional outing to the Tiv). On the odd occasion, however, I’ve been to social gatherings on the north side. It seems to be, without fail, that when I mention I live in West End somebody says – “South side” as if it were a curse, ‘I haven’t been to the south side for years …”

        I’ve also found that people in Logan consider West Enders to be de facto northsiders.

        So, perhaps no great divide, but I can say that I have seen it in operation.

        Also, I read that there’s no great divide between Ipswich and Brisbane. Again, I have seen it. It is there. It just isn’t strong.

        But isn’t the art of advertising and promotion sometimes to magnifying a small point so as to make it look huge? I actually think the N/S thing could well be taken advantage of.

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          May 15th 2017 @ 3:33pm
          Rellum said | May 15th 2017 @ 3:33pm | ! Report

          The North/South divide was bigger in the 80’s and to a lesser extent the nighties. Snob’s in the north, poor people/bogans in the south. The old BRL would play into that as well a little bit. Now the BRL is gone and all the sporting franchises represent all of Brissy unless you are following a team in the QRL. They can play it up a bit but I think City would need to look at other areas to attract fans. For me, the right colours, good ticket and food prices and a good match day feel will win a load of people over. And if the get a bit of a popular roll on then the casuals will show up to see the fun.

          • May 15th 2017 @ 5:20pm
            Brisvegas said | May 15th 2017 @ 5:20pm | ! Report

            Maybe the mark of the N/S divide could measured by a thought experiment.

            Say some billionaire came along and bought the Roar, Then they decided to buy Goodwin Park and build a sporting complex, complete with 25K boutique stadium.

            Also say Brisbane City developed Ballymore into a lovely boutique stadium and paid attention to the match day experience.

            So, the impossible happens and you have a choice of City on the northside or Roar on the southside, both with a new stadium, both pregnant with possibilities, which side would more likely garner the supporter of you northsiders?

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              May 15th 2017 @ 6:19pm
              Rellum said | May 15th 2017 @ 6:19pm | ! Report

              Your thought experiment would be better served if we imagined if the Roar folded so the FFA decided to start two whole new franchises, North Brisbane and South Brisbane, one playing out of Ballymore, the other out of a revamped QEII.

            • Roar Pro

              May 16th 2017 @ 1:39pm
              David McDaniel said | May 16th 2017 @ 1:39pm | ! Report

              Nice comment, that was pretty much what I was alluding to Brisvegas. I think the Strikers will do it right so there could be some very interesting and exciting times in Brisbane, especially with a true derby!

              • May 28th 2017 @ 7:24pm
                CrampsRowZ said | May 28th 2017 @ 7:24pm | ! Report

                Brisvegas I agree Brisbane isn’t a tribal city with a genuine divide within the city.
                A derby could work but it wouldn’t get close to the Sydney vs Western Sydney derby because it lacks that divide and hatred.

                One thing the Strikers’ big has is that there seems to be genuine hatred between Strikers and Hollandia Inala (now Brisbane Roar)

                Brisbane fans are very spread out, probably the most concentrated in the south-western suburbs but I know Roar fans live in every corner of Brisbane and all over QLD

    • Roar Pro

      May 15th 2017 @ 10:53am
      David McDaniel said | May 15th 2017 @ 10:53am | ! Report

      This is purely conjecture and an interesting talking point. If Roar continue in their path I wll stay but if they keep mismanaging and City come up and are highly organised and professional then it will be a conundrum.

      There will be plenty of others who feel the same who wont comment for fear of reprisal but I am an honest person and these are my real thoughts. 🙂

      • May 15th 2017 @ 11:10am
        Lionheart said | May 15th 2017 @ 11:10am | ! Report

        Well said David. I grew up next to the home park of Brisbane City and feel an emotional link to them. I’m also impressed by everything I’m seeing from BCFC, including their legends game on the weekend, and their legends dinner (at a reasonable price). They do the sort of stuff that will attract fans. Roar do the sort of stuff that causes fans to ask why, even still. The north-south bit will come into play, but it’s not as strong as it once was (one team city in national competitions brought us together years back). There’s a big delta of potential fans that Roar might call theirs, but in fact they’re up for grabs, those fans who go to a couple of game because they like football but won’t commit to a full season ticket. I hope a second team does get up in Brisbane because the game needs a proper shake-up here.

        • Roar Pro

          May 20th 2017 @ 2:53pm
          David McDaniel said | May 20th 2017 @ 2:53pm | ! Report

          Mayeb one day we will sit next to each other in the Gladiators home end, who knows?

    • May 15th 2017 @ 11:45am
      Onside said | May 15th 2017 @ 11:45am | ! Report

      I do not understand the Bakries ownership. What is their philosophy.

      What motivates them. What do they get out of it. Why do they own it .

      • Roar Pro

        May 15th 2017 @ 11:59am
        David McDaniel said | May 15th 2017 @ 11:59am | ! Report

        I think they wanted to buy a club that would spread their interests into Asia via the ACL or it might have been to diversify their portfolio or provide a pathway for indonesian players.

        Whatever it is, they haven’t told us!

        • May 15th 2017 @ 12:13pm
          Waz said | May 15th 2017 @ 12:13pm | ! Report

          Corrrect they haven’t, and I’m not sure they know themselves now.

          But Roars problems stem back beyond the bakries ownership – the previous owners had an aloof reputation when it came to fans and planted many of the seeds of discontent we’ve seen blossom over the past few years. The fact some of Roars previous owners are linked to the City bid should be a cause for concern – it may turn into Groundhog Day

          • May 15th 2017 @ 12:31pm
            Lionheart said | May 15th 2017 @ 12:31pm | ! Report

            who’s that Waz? I’ve read that the prime backers, Rob Cavallucci and his family’s company I guess, had made an offer to join as joint owners at Roar around the time when Bakrie’s were saying they wanted local investors to join them, but their offer was rejected.
            I think Roar’s major issue has been absentee ownership, which allows too much autonomy to local management who (historically) have not had the club’s best interest at heart. But that’s just an observation. The three bids seem to be very localised, which must be a good thing surely.

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            May 15th 2017 @ 12:32pm
            David McDaniel said | May 15th 2017 @ 12:32pm | ! Report

            I saw Coffee Club and Luxury Paints ares looking at them which I found very interesting. Did the Roar alienate them or was it the other way around?

            • May 15th 2017 @ 12:45pm
              Lionheart said | May 15th 2017 @ 12:45pm | ! Report

              Good question. I think Roar alienated a lot of people when they didn’t pay their bills but can’t say about these two. But I did read that the BCFC bid was self-sustaining, not dependent on FFA TV money, so that would be good if that’s true.

            • May 15th 2017 @ 1:14pm
              Waz said | May 15th 2017 @ 1:14pm | ! Report

              CC and Luxury Paint guys ran a consortium owning Roar, the story goes (in their words) as Roar lost money each year it was easy to cover the losses but as consortium members dropped out it became impossible to cover losses so they handed Roar back to the ffa. The bakries at least get a tick for being able to sustain $3-$4m losses year on year.

              It’s interesting they’re linked to the city bid but not named, and there’s rumours they may back another bid to be announced later this month which is interesting (Cockerill ran an article yesterday where he alluded to it). So let’s see.

              • May 15th 2017 @ 1:34pm
                Lionheart said | May 15th 2017 @ 1:34pm | ! Report

                so what’s the link Waz?
                I read an article in the Brisbane Times by Mike Cockerill who wrote something like, much might depend on where CC and Luxury Paints decide to park their sponsorship money, which to me indicates that neither of them are committed to either club yet.
                The Cavallucci family business sponsor BCFC, but don’t know how old their relationship is.

              • May 15th 2017 @ 8:51pm
                Lionheart said | May 15th 2017 @ 8:51pm | ! Report

                Waz
                A couple of posts up you say ‘The fact some of Roars previous owners are linked to the City bid should be a cause for concern – it may turn into Groundhog Day’. Now you’re saying it’s interesting (CC and Luxury Paints, who you infer walked out on Roar) are ‘linked to the city bid but not named’.
                Sounds like you’re hitting panic stations already. Why don’t you answer the question I’ve asked twice, and give us the evidence that (as you infer) the former co-owners of Roar are set to become co-owners of BCFC, if indeed they get to bid and if indeed their bid is successful?
                Personally, I think any bid, at this early stage in particular, deserves a fair and reasonable hearing, and should not be rolled over the coals with imaginative remarks like these. The only link I have seen, as I said already, was in an article by Mike Cockerill which suggests they may ‘park their money’ (I read sponsor, not own) with either Roar or BCFC. If you have seen more to support what you say above, then please tell us what and where. Give us a link if you can.

              • May 16th 2017 @ 8:18am
                Waz said | May 16th 2017 @ 8:18am | ! Report

                Mate, “panic stations” lol ….

                Cav and the CC/LP boys were all part of the same consortium waiting in the wings to take Roar over last year, whether Cav has rolled over all the same people is debatable but in the media reports he does say “former Roar owners are involved in backing this bid”. It’s safe to rule out the Lions as former owners so that leaves the CC/LP boys as the only option, them or some of the minor shareholders that were involved in their consortium but the minors lack the profile and probably the deep pockets.

                And I find it interesting that they are not named specifically – why not? There is another bid coming later this month (most likely a reinvigorated Strikers bid but possibly a new one) and the CC/LP are linked as possible backers to that one as well but that bit is sieculation – but that’s what Cockerill is referring to when he talks about parking their money. And I don’t think it is “panic button” time to raise their possible involvement, the worst time for fan engagement at Roar was under their ownership (granted Dobson’s time probably ties as worst ever) and if they repeat the same behaviours which was essentially an “us v them” attitude to fans then they may struggle to build a fan base as quickly as they would like. And the first few seasons, for them will be crucial, City can’t afford to do a Heart here; and Ballymore is a nice boutique stadium but on a wet, hot summers day they will struggle to get 5,000 in there (if you’ve been to Ballymore in the rain you’ll know what I mean, it’s miserable with only a few places to hide) and even a Ballymore derby will struggle to get 10k not least because the Hill is closed in wet weather on safety reasons.

                So I hope that answers your question – plenty of ifs, buts and maybes in this bid. It came out strong but there’s already a few holes in what they propose and now strikers have seen the bar raised it will be interesting to see if they respond

              • May 16th 2017 @ 10:50am
                Lionheart said | May 16th 2017 @ 10:50am | ! Report

                Waz
                The press release that I’ve read has no mention of “former Roar owners”. You can read it on the BCFC website. If you’ve seen it written somewhere else can you give us a link, I’m keen to see it.
                I haven’t seen the bid document but doubt it would have vague words like that.
                I might add that I definitely hope those two local business get involved again and sponsor any new team in QLD, much better than them pouring their $ into netball and rugby. You’re making out that they’ll be running the show and I’m challenging you on that.
                I haven’t been to Ballymore since 1969 when I sat on the southern touchline in a rugby test v SAF. But in time, I see Ballymore giving Brisbane a great football experience, even the food of trucks (ever been to Eat Street?).

              • May 16th 2017 @ 11:21am
                Waz said | May 16th 2017 @ 11:21am | ! Report

                “I haven’t seen the bid document but doubt it would have vague words like that” … it’s very vague. It talks about a consortium but only one name is mentioned, Cav’s.

                “You’re making out that they’ll be running the show” … no I’m not, I have never said that. Never. It has been referenced several times in news reports that they are linked to the bid that’s all and Cav and those guys were in the same consortium trying to buy Roar last winter. I’ll try and find links for you but seriously, if there is a consortium why don’t they just name the members why the secrecy?

                “much better than them pouring their $ into netball and rugby” …. that’s ironic, FCBC will be pouring money into Rugbys coffers by renting Ballymore.

                “I haven’t been to Ballymore since 1969” … well you should go, the sun will beat down on afternoon games and if it rains 75% of fans will get very wet. People complain about the sun/rain at Suncorp so Ballymore is going to be harsh in the wrong weather.

                Football in this city deserves a strong solid team, City might be it but right now their proposal has a few holes in it that’s all.

                And why City and Roar can’t get together and lobby the government for a dedicated soccer stadium? Any future redevelopment of Ballymore will create a great stadium owned by Rugby – have we as a code not learnt anything over the past decade? We need our own facilities not to be renting someone else’s – a condition if redevelopment will likely include a long term rental agreement from BCFC ruling out the building of a soccer stadium in this city for another generation. To me that will be criminal.

                I’m not hostile to City’s bid, or Strikers for that matter, they are the only two teams that can make a go if it imo. But that does not put their bids beyond critique

              • May 16th 2017 @ 12:46pm
                Lionheart said | May 16th 2017 @ 12:46pm | ! Report

                Waz, you are the first person I have heard say that this bid from BCF has holes in it. Those who have seen the bid (have you?) have all said it’s very good, that other clubs should adopt their model.
                You gave me a good laugh anyway, especially as I recall a post from you a while back complaining about wet seats at Suncorp, and as Roar has been paying rent at Ballymore, well sometimes, for quite a number of years now. Still, the question remains (as I asked below) – is Roar doing enough to attract decent crowds to Suncorp? I think we’ve shown that it’s not just about results.

              • May 17th 2017 @ 11:15am
                Nemesis said | May 17th 2017 @ 11:15am | ! Report

                @Waz

                I take it you’ve got a copy of the bid document?

                Is it possible to share the contents in an article, or are you bound by Confidentiality Agreements?

              • May 17th 2017 @ 11:56am
                Jordan said | May 17th 2017 @ 11:56am | ! Report

                Hi Waz, I have seen you mention the weather issues surrounding Ballymore more than a few times since the BCFC news broke.

                Is it not reasonable to expect that any initial upgrades to Ballymore are done with reduction of weather element issues in mind? I.e A roof over the hill and extension to grandstand awnings.

                This seems like the first logical step, especially if the upgrades are to be modest and the issues are as problematic as you suggest.

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      May 15th 2017 @ 12:49pm
      Rellum said | May 15th 2017 @ 12:49pm | ! Report

      I tried following the Roar for the first couple of seasons but they were never for me. If City can truly ditch their Azurri colours and brand and embrace a Brisbane identity then I am on board.

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        May 15th 2017 @ 2:34pm
        David McDaniel said | May 15th 2017 @ 2:34pm | ! Report

        They are going as an already existing club so they would most likely keep their colours as Perth did. I have no problems with the colours as I have some italian blood(I think!)

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          May 15th 2017 @ 3:37pm
          Rellum said | May 15th 2017 @ 3:37pm | ! Report

          They have said they are going to rebrand and have the colours of Brisbane, maroon, blue and yellow(gold I think they may have said). If they do a Roar and walk out in their first game in the Azurri blue with a token yellow and maroon trim then I will have second thoughts as they may not be loosing the Italian identity like they said they would.

          • Roar Pro

            May 16th 2017 @ 2:10pm
            David McDaniel said | May 16th 2017 @ 2:10pm | ! Report

            Well your information is much better than mine, I probably should start researching them a bit more! 🙂

          • May 17th 2017 @ 10:29am
            Evan Askew said | May 17th 2017 @ 10:29am | ! Report

            What the hell is wrong with the Italian identity? Would you have boca juniors Ditch their Italian identity, Celtic their Irish?

            • Roar Guru

              May 17th 2017 @ 11:03am
              Rellum said | May 17th 2017 @ 11:03am | ! Report

              There is nothing wrong with being Italian, I love many things Italian, football, food. When they are representing Brisbane, yes absolutely they need to loose their Italian colours and take on Brisbane’s.

    • May 15th 2017 @ 1:41pm
      Square Nostrils said | May 15th 2017 @ 1:41pm | ! Report

      The Roar have not been faultless, nor have other A-League clubs , nor have many clubs across the planet.
      What the Roar have done though is match it with the biggest markets in Australia ,Sydney and Melbourne in relation to winning trophies and under the Bakries while doing so, apart from the first Ange season under the FFA.
      Surely as a football fan, that counts for more than a club that currently is but a dream.
      Sure tag along with the Rob Cavallucci dream or indeed “Mirons Mirage” , but given the flakiness expressed on here regarding supporting the Roar, whose to say once those dreams become reality that at the first sign of trouble on board, fans wont jump ship again?
      New clubs in the A-League are rivals to the warts and all old, thats how Football leagues garner strength, by adding to the woodpile making it thicker and stronger.
      Roar fans attitude should be that if the new clubs cant get enough fans onboard to make it viable, so what, get back down the plughole.

      • May 15th 2017 @ 1:59pm
        Lionheart said | May 15th 2017 @ 1:59pm | ! Report

        not really. I follow Roar because there is no alternative. I think you’ll find the same for every Roar fan. They didn’t choose Roar because they were better than the other Brisbane side, or they had a closer link to Roar than the other Brisbane side. And they certainly didn’t grow up following Roar.
        I initially followed NQ Fury, but they folded so I followed Roar, then became a member. I am often discontented with Suncorp, like last Wednesday night when there were 49,000 empty seats yet the ground staff insisted I sit in my ticketed seat, in case the stadium member whose seat I chose turned up.
        I’m a proud Roar supporter, but Roar have tested me a number of times with some of their actions. I’ll wish any Brisbane based team well, and maybe weigh up my options when I have to.

        • Roar Pro

          May 15th 2017 @ 2:40pm
          David McDaniel said | May 15th 2017 @ 2:40pm | ! Report

          Well said! It’s hard to explain to those who think you have to support the team you have been presented with for the rest of your life. When you are given a choice of team then you have to weigh the options up and decide what is best for you.

        • May 16th 2017 @ 8:22am
          Waz said | May 16th 2017 @ 8:22am | ! Report

          “they certainly didn’t grow up following Roar” …. anyone aged 20 or under has grown up with the Roar.

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