Selecting the NSW Origin side: Six rules to ensure ongoing failure

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    With Bob Fulton out and Peter Sterling into a chair at the selectors’ table, it is more important than ever NSW don’t forget past lessons which will ensure another State of Origin loss.

    Failure to do so may result in a NSW series win given the ageing Queensland line-up and injured troops (Matt Scott, Greg Inglis and potentially Johnathtan Thurston).

    These rules are tried and tested, having achieved amazing results over the last 11 years.

    Rule 1: Select as many of your backline out of position as possible
    This is made a little trickier given James Tedesco is likely to be the fullback and blake Ferguson is going to fill one wing slot.

    Therefore, Josh Dugan and Jarryd Hayne become the out-of-position centres, Matt Moylan slots in at five-eighth and the remaining wing spot goes to Jack Bird.

    Rule 2: Ensure your captain will be a jerk to the referees
    The last thing NSW want is a captain who will give the team a shot at favourable interpretations by talking to the referees with respect. Paul Gallen did this job with aplomb for several years. However, unless he is going to arise phoenix-like out of representative retirement, a new captain needs to be found.

    There can only be one man to perform, under pressure, to Gallen-like levels of referee disrespect and whinging. That man is Robbie Farah and he slots in at hooker with the ‘c’ beside his name.

    Rule 3: The forward pack should show as little variation in playing style as possible
    A varied backrow with a skilled edge player, a defensive-minded, 80-minute motor, and an effective middle-third player (see Queensland backrow with Josh Papalii, Matt Gillett and Josh McGuire) is an effective weapon come Origin.

    Props may also complement each other’s playing styles. The impact of individual players ánd synergistic pairings can be nullified by eliminating as much variety as possible from your forward pack. To that end, the most homogenous forward pack I can come up with is Aaron Woods, James Tamou, Boyd Cordner, Josh Jackson and Trent Merrin – they fill the starting spots.


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    Rule 4: The utility player should not fit the needs of the team
    Preferably, the utility will cover a position player that plays 80 minutes and will be on the field for less than ten minutes.

    Dylan Walker played this role to perfection last year and it will be hard to top his performance. I’m going to go a little-left field though and select Cody Walker. If Moylan or James Maloney isn’t selected in the run-on team, either could also fill this role.

    Rule 5: Select bench impact players likely to give away penalties and make errors at crucial times
    Dave Taylor was incredibly skilled at this job for Queensland for several series before succumbing to white-line fever. David Klemmer and Andrew Fifita fill this need for the Blues.

    Rule 6: Pick Mitchel Pearce
    Mitchell Pearce. NSW Origin representative 2008-15, 15 games played, 0 series wins.

    Best Origin moment: repeatedly sledging Thurston for being too old in a glorious 2015 Game 2 win for NSW. Unfortunately for Pearce, this was followed by the 2015 series decider where NSW was humiliated 52-6.

    Inspired by Pearce (we know this because Thurston informed Mitchell throughout the latter half of the game just how much his comments meant to him) JT was named man of the match. Queensland will not have forgotten.

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    • May 15th 2017 @ 11:23am
      Rett said | May 15th 2017 @ 11:23am | ! Report

      Rule 6 is all that’s needed.

    • Roar Guru

      May 15th 2017 @ 11:31am
      Magnus M. Østergaard said | May 15th 2017 @ 11:31am | ! Report

      Never forget JTs return sledge either while up by 40 odd points.

      Hey Mitch, make sure you take a picture with Wally Lewis on the way out because thats as close as you will ever get to the shield.

      The rank full toss gets smashed for a 6 out of the stadium.

      • Roar Rookie

        May 15th 2017 @ 12:42pm
        PhineasGage said | May 15th 2017 @ 12:42pm | ! Report

        Thanks Vincent. JT’s return sledge remains brutal to this day.

    • May 15th 2017 @ 11:49am
      peeeko said | May 15th 2017 @ 11:49am | ! Report

      Rule 1: Select as many of your backline out of position as possible

      you man like the top 2 scorers in origin history Inglis and Boyd. NSw best player for years was Hayne on the wing.

      • Roar Rookie

        May 15th 2017 @ 12:54pm
        PhineasGage said | May 15th 2017 @ 12:54pm | ! Report

        Thanks for the reply Peeko.

        Boyd started his career on the wing and only later made the shift to fullback. Inglis started on the wing for both club and state and due to his versatility made the switch to a number of different backline positions across his career.

        The early years of Hayne playing on the wing for NSW are an interesting point. Given the devastating effect he had in 2014 maybe he should never have been picked out of position in the first place and played at fullback all along. NSW did lose all of the series he played at wing.

        The point I’m trying to make in the article is that picking a number of backline players out of position in Origin has not been a winning formula and should be approached with caution. Unless you are a Queensland fan and are egging NSW to pull the trigger and pick the whole backline out of position.

        • May 15th 2017 @ 11:21pm
          Peeeko said | May 15th 2017 @ 11:21pm | ! Report

          It’s a scapegoat to say that
          Boyd has played FB for the last 9 years at NRL level and Inglis has never played wing at club level – he won a premiership at 6 and played mainly FB
          Top players can handle and excel in any position
          Playing people out of position is the excuse used by people that don’t understand the game

          • Roar Rookie

            May 16th 2017 @ 10:25am
            Bunney said | May 16th 2017 @ 10:25am | ! Report

            Inglis debuted at FB to replace a suspended Slater.
            But once Slater returned, Inglis moved, either to the wing or centre. I’m not certain which initially, but by the GF in 2006, he was playing in the centres. He played on the wing for Australia in the season ending Tri-Nations series, and was later moved to 5/8 by the Storm with middling results.

            He played primarily at centre for Souths initially, until moved to FB with great results, but has since played 5/8 a number of times, bouncing between the two as the team has required.

    • May 15th 2017 @ 1:31pm
      Steve said | May 15th 2017 @ 1:31pm | ! Report

      Rule 3 is a good one for me. As a QLD fan I’m not worried about the NSW backrowers at all, the most damaging are Frizzell and Graham and both are likely to be on the bench or perhaps Graham will even miss out.

      Ferguson and Dugan in the backline is also a treat.

      NSW keep doing the same and expecting different results. They have essentially tried to “wait for QLD to get too old” for 11 years. Maybe this year will be there year, its not due to a good selection policy – even a broken clock is right twice a day.

      • May 15th 2017 @ 1:45pm
        Sean said | May 15th 2017 @ 1:45pm | ! Report

        couldnt of put it better myself.
        If nsw puts frizelle and graham on the bench then they should be sacked.

        Lauries side:
        8. tamou
        9. farah
        10. fifita
        11. cordner
        12. jackson
        13. merrin

        The side i dont want too see.

        8. Vaughn
        9. peats
        10. ryan james (fifita bench impact)
        11. cordner
        12 graham
        13. frizelle

        alot of aggression and players who can play big minutes..

        Thank god laurie goes to perennial losers ??

      • Roar Guru

        May 15th 2017 @ 1:52pm
        eagleJack said | May 15th 2017 @ 1:52pm | ! Report

        Only Gillett and maybe Papalii would make the NSW forward pack. That includes the bench.

        Nate Myers to start. Gives you a fair indication how much they’ll be worked over.

        Thank god you have once in a generation players in Smith, Thurston and Cronk.

        • Roar Guru

          May 15th 2017 @ 2:13pm
          Rellum said | May 15th 2017 @ 2:13pm | ! Report

          Back to the glory days it seems, hearing about how stronger the NSW team is going to be. NSW will think than can over power us in the middle and they will find out that will not work….again.

          • Roar Guru

            May 15th 2017 @ 2:24pm
            eagleJack said | May 15th 2017 @ 2:24pm | ! Report

            Not really. Just amusing reading how poor the NSW backrow will be.

            As I said thank god for Smith, Cronk and Thurston.

            • May 15th 2017 @ 4:03pm
              Steve said | May 15th 2017 @ 4:03pm | ! Report

              Aside from Frizzell and Graham the rest are run of the mill plodders with little flair.

              • Roar Guru

                May 15th 2017 @ 4:15pm
                eagleJack said | May 15th 2017 @ 4:15pm | ! Report

                Exactly how Mal Meninga feels about the QLD forward pack.

              • May 15th 2017 @ 11:24pm
                Peeeko said | May 15th 2017 @ 11:24pm | ! Report

                You know little if you think that.

        • Roar Rookie

          May 15th 2017 @ 2:27pm
          PhineasGage said | May 15th 2017 @ 2:27pm | ! Report

          Front row is the biggest question for Queensland selectors. During the entire 11 year run Qld have always had a tried and tested front row combo. Transitioning from Steve Price and Civoniceva to Myles and Scott happened seamlessly. Now what does Qld do with no Scott and an ageing Myles?

          Maybe Myles and Jarrod Wallace to start with Napa & Thaiday to come off the bench. McGuire would play long minutes as a middle third player from lock.

          • Roar Guru

            May 15th 2017 @ 2:43pm
            eagleJack said | May 15th 2017 @ 2:43pm | ! Report

            I’d almost start with Napa as he would excel in those early stages – he’s a ferocious defender.

            But yeah it’s not a prop rotation that will make an all-time greatest Maroons list. Scott is a massive loss. And Nate would probably be in NSW Cup if Lussick and Perrett were fit. Although no doubt he’ll step up for his state.

            • Roar Rookie

              May 15th 2017 @ 3:01pm
              PhineasGage said | May 15th 2017 @ 3:01pm | ! Report

              Good point but my gut says leave him on the bench for 20 minutes to soak it all in then send him on to replace Nate Myles.

              Napa may well be a key for Qld this series. The fire from not being considered last year after his emerging origin indiscretion and a week in camp could well make him Qld’s most damaging forward prospect.

              Who would you have to complete the Qld prop rotation? Would you give Hess a run?

              • Roar Guru

                May 15th 2017 @ 3:46pm
                Rellum said | May 15th 2017 @ 3:46pm | ! Report

                There is also Hess and McGuire, I am not worried that NSW will power through us up the middle. I hope they try it as then they won’t be stretching us out wide.

                Broncs have some very good young props coming through.

              • May 15th 2017 @ 7:25pm
                Tony said | May 15th 2017 @ 7:25pm | ! Report

                I would give Scott Bolton a go.He has been a good player for the Cowboys for a long time

        • May 15th 2017 @ 4:17pm
          Jimmmy said | May 15th 2017 @ 4:17pm | ! Report

          Good to see you guys still assuming your default position of football superiority. I could show you a cane toad load of Origin Series starting with game 1 1980 where virtually no QLDer would have made the NSW side.
          Rugby League is a game of attitude at all levels but doubley so at Origin level. Your forwards have reputations , ours will have attitude.

          • Roar Guru

            May 15th 2017 @ 4:21pm
            eagleJack said | May 15th 2017 @ 4:21pm | ! Report

            Hmmmm dunno about that Jimmmy. My response was to two guys mocking the NSW team, in the comments section of an article mocking the NSW team.

            Seems yourself and Rellum missed this key point.

            But hey it’s Origin time and you guys deserve to crow a bit. But don’t take the all high and mighty ground if someone points out a couple of facts to you, based on current form.

            • May 15th 2017 @ 6:04pm
              Jimmmy said | May 15th 2017 @ 6:04pm | ! Report

              All good EJ. It’s Origin time mate, no sense , no reason , just blatant bias and one sided opinion. As for myself , I just .blame it on the Maroon mist.

            • Roar Guru

              May 15th 2017 @ 6:09pm
              Rellum said | May 15th 2017 @ 6:09pm | ! Report

              Didn’t miss it, more talking to the general NSW feeling that they think they will run over us in the middle. Just happened to use your comment to ……comment on it

          • May 15th 2017 @ 11:26pm
            Peeeko said | May 15th 2017 @ 11:26pm | ! Report

            Good to see jimmy you guys are still blind. Superior play makers is what gives QLd an edge yet you try and make up other reasons

      • May 15th 2017 @ 11:23pm
        Peeeko said | May 15th 2017 @ 11:23pm | ! Report

        You think they have been waiting for 11 years? I would say 4 years max.

    • Roar Guru

      May 15th 2017 @ 3:26pm
      Charlie Lawry said | May 15th 2017 @ 3:26pm | ! Report

      Mitchell Pearce is the Mitch Marsh of rugby league

      • Roar Rookie

        May 15th 2017 @ 3:40pm
        PhineasGage said | May 15th 2017 @ 3:40pm | ! Report

        If Mitchell Pearce came first doesn’t that make Mitch Marsh the Mitchell Pearce of Australian cricket?

        • May 15th 2017 @ 9:11pm
          tim said | May 15th 2017 @ 9:11pm | ! Report

          No, Pierce always comes second.

        • May 15th 2017 @ 9:11pm
          tim said | May 15th 2017 @ 9:11pm | ! Report

          No, Pierce always comes second.

    • May 15th 2017 @ 7:45pm
      sham said | May 15th 2017 @ 7:45pm | ! Report

      I agree re the picking players out of position point but I would add another rule – forget about what players add in attack just focus on defence. This is what Daley seems to do. Let’s take Dugan as an example. Sure he is a great player but if he does not get selected as full back he should not be in the side. As a centre he is great defensively but is not an attacking weapon – not at Origin level. His passing game is not that great and he has lost speed. If you think attack, then you could go with BJ but he is playing like a busted at the moment so he can’t be considered. I would go with Dylan Walker.

      With the forwards you don’t need 100 per cent grinding types even though that seems to be what Daley wants. I would have at least one backrower who is an attacking weapon – Wade Graham fits the bill.
      In the front row I would go with Paul Vaughan – he is mobile and offers a lot in attack as he showed against the Sharks.

      Finally, there is no point having a great pack if your hooker is not giving them quality ball. If you think that way, then McInnis deserves a go – he is making a major contribution to the Dragon’s performance.
      My guess is that as normal Daley will pick too many grinding defensive players. Queensland has points in them so NSW needs more points but they won’t come if you focus too much on grinding players.

      • May 15th 2017 @ 11:28pm
        Peeeko said | May 15th 2017 @ 11:28pm | ! Report

        Why does mal pick Dugan at centre for Australia then? And Inglis and Boyd out of position
        The players out of position excuse is the default position of the person who doesn’t understand RL

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