AFL trade rumours: Every man and his dog keen on Josh Kelly

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    AFL trade talk is getting to the point where soon it’ll be easier to list the clubs who haven’t been linked with Josh Kelly than the ones who have.

    Carlton were the latest, on Monday night, less than 24 hours after the Blues defeated the Giants by a single point, with Jonathan Brown suggesting that the Blues were not only keen on Kelly, but the potential frontrunners for his services.

    How accurate are Brown’s comments? So much gets tossed around the media these days – and only some of it ever comes to pass – that unless everyone is saying the same thing, you’ve got to make the conclusion that nobody is 100 per cent sure what’s really going on.

    That said, the Blus being into Kelly passes the sense test. Stephen Silvagni drafted him to Greater Western Sydney at pick No.2, and no doubt would be over the moon to have him come to Carlton. They may not have planned to go for it this year, but after talk started about him earlier this season they would be foolish not to have thrown their hat in the ring.

    Frontrunners though? That remains to be seen.

    North Melbourne, who started the conversation, and also St Kilda have been heavily linked to Kelly. North have made no secret of having made a $9 million offer over nine years, and while pundits originally scoffed, many are now asking if that’s even enough.

    Look, where Kelly might wind up next year is nothing but speculation at this point, and there’s every chance he might still re-sign with GWS, who met with his manager in Melbourne on the weekend. The more time passes though, the less likely that seems.

    Having been the club to first ask the question of Kelly, and being the one he has a family connection with, I suspect North have the inside track on chasing his signature – but I’m a North fan and an optimist, so take that with a grain of salt.

    Josh Kelly GWS Giants AFL 2016

    (AAP Image/Brendan Esposito)

    What’s amazing is that Kelly has almost eclipsed Nat Fyfe and Dustin Martin, widely seen as the two biggest fish on the market before the year began.

    I put up a poll on Twitter this morning, asking who the people would pick first of the three to have at their club next year – the results should filter in throughout the day, but my tip is Kelly will be the preferred pick.

    Fyfe is proving to be a difficult case to read. St Kilda recently ruled themselves out of the chase for him in a very public fashion, which leaves him without an obvious suitor.

    The rumour has been that he wants $1.5 million to move to a Victorian club but, given he hasn’t been able to recapture his top form this year, it’s not clear if there’s anyone coming forward for that.

    Still, we learnt yesterday that he’s been playing through the pain of severe chest bruising, and personally, I would be more than happy as a club to roll the dice on him returning to his very best in the future. Go bold or go home.

    Regarding Martin, there was a brief flare-up of news about Essendon being interested in him, though it was in the lead-up to their game against the Tigers and I wouldn’t be surprised if it can largely be put down to media mind games.

    It was very briefly said that the Bombers had made Martin an offer of as much as $1.6 million a year, but they issued a statement shortly after this came out saying it was categorically incorrect. Goes to show just how nervous clubs are about spending that kind of money on a single player, and fair enough.

    That being the case, it seems North Melbourne is still the club most advanced in their pursuit of Martin, having reportedly made a six-year offer worth more than a million a year, and at this stage they would be the most likely destination should he decided to leave the Tigers.

    Of course, both Fyfe and Martin may well decide to remain with their current clubs. If I had to go on gut feel, I’d say Martin stays, and Fyfe is pretty much 50-50 – that’s nothing but my own speculation, of course, and I reserve the right to joke and fantasise about Kelly and Martin both coming to North.

    Just for fun though, I did ask Twitter a little while ago who they’d pick if choosing between ‘Dangerwood’ or the theoretical combination of Dustin Martin and Josh Kelly (Keltin? Marly?) if North Melbourne somehow landed both. The results…

    Dustin Martin Richmond Tigers AFL 2017

    (AAP Image/Julian Smith)

    A little bit of news that was very unexpected but also very welcome last week was Josh Schache’s decision to re-sign with Brisbane for two years. The situation seemed to be turning south rapidly, but it’s nice to see a happy ending for once. We can close the book on this one.

    There may be another good news story for Queensland football on the way soon too, with news yesterday that Steven May is likely to rebuff overtures from Hawthorn and re-sign with the Gold Coast Suns, where he is co-captain alongside Tom Lynch.

    Jason Johannisen reportedly has another suitor interested in his signature – West Coast. That makes both of the clubs in his home state, as well as Essendon, as potential destinations that the out-of-contract Bulldog has been linked with.

    Two Geelong free agents, Steven Motlop and Daniel Menzel, have their options open at the moment. Motlop and Geelong haven’t sat down to contract talks at all just yet, and it wouldn’t surprise if the Cats let him go to make room for Gary Ablett.

    Menzel is a different story, and I’d suspect the Cats want to retain him. However, he did say a little while ago that he wouldn’t rule out a potential return to South Australia. No suggestion as to which club he might join, but his brother Troy does play with the Crows.

    Also in the free-agent stakes, there was a rumour that North Melbourne have offered Port Adelaide’s Jasper Pittard $3 million over five years. I’m not sold on this one being all that likely if North are genuinely into Martin and Kelly, but worth keeping an eye on.

    Is there any chance that Mitch McGovern could be the missing link in a Bryce Gibbs trade between Adelaide and Carlton? There has been a little talk linking him to the Blues, though a move home to Fremantle or West Coast seems more likely if he opts to leave Adelaide.

    Have also seen a little talk that Sydney might be interested in scooping up Richmond’s Anthony Miles, who has fallen out of the best 22 at the Tigers this year. Could add a little more grunt for them, and it would make him the third player to play games for both NSW teams.

    There’s also been talk that Kurt Tippett could be on the way out of Sydney if a club is willing to take on his large salary, and the Swans decision to drop him this week shows they’re not happy with him at the moment. I talked in detail about this on Sunday night.

    There was a brief flurry of interest last week when Jack Gunston admitted that anything was possible at the end of the year given questions about whether Hawthorn might look to trade him to get back into the draft – but Alastair Clarkson shut down that talk very quickly, saying it was highly unlikely the Hawks would trade Gunston or any of their other stars.

    Alastair Clarkson Hawthorn Hawks AFL 2017

    (AAP Image/Joe Castro)

    I asked the Twitterverse last night if there was anyone they wanted to hear about today, so here we go. By all means if you want to talk about a player, tweet me, or mention them in the comments!

    Sorry, Ryan.

    Reckon it’ll take a fair bit of haggling to get him across the line, Adam Treloar style, so let’s say October 18, the day before trade period closes.

    Can’t see Lever moving personally – I don’t think Collingwood, or any club for that matter, can offer him something Adelaide can’t at the moment. They’ve got salary cap room and the promise of success, and he’s a country boy so the lure of playing in Melbourne won’t be especially strong.

    Haven’t heard anything regarding Fiorini and would be surprised if he moved given he’s contracted until the end of 2018.

    Wishful thinking!

    Seems unlikely!

    That’s it for now, but by all means let’s get the conversation rolling in the comments. Where do you think the big three will be in 2018?

    Oh, and don’t forget, we’ve got a handy little page here on The Roar that we’re updating with the latest rumours as they come in. Bookmark it!

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    Josh Elliott

    Josh Elliott may be The Roar's Weekend Editor, but at heart he's just a rusted-on North Melbourne tragic with a penchant for pun headlines - and also abnormal alliteration, assuredly; assuming achievability. He once finished third in a hot chilli pie eating contest. You can follow him on Twitter @JoshElliott_29 and listen to him on The Roar's AFL Podcast.

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    • June 14th 2017 @ 8:11am
      Jack said | June 14th 2017 @ 8:11am | ! Report

      Josh Kelly would fit blues age profile very well. In a few years we will be deadly and Kelly has a lot of footy left in him, someone like Dustin Martin on the other hand wouldn’t make sense for blues given where we are at.
      My concern is I am assuming we would have to give up our top draft pick which is against our strategy ?

      The blues though are picking up a lot of really good talent between 18-23 at the moment so give us a few years

      • June 14th 2017 @ 9:28am
        Macca said | June 14th 2017 @ 9:28am | ! Report

        I agree Jack Kelly would be the perfect fit, but given we would have to trade for him and I doubt we would give up our first pick this year it could be hard to get the deal done, on the plus side the blues would have more negotiating power than the Hawks last year given our likely high position on the pre-season draft.

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        June 14th 2017 @ 1:48pm
        Josh Elliott said | June 14th 2017 @ 1:48pm | ! Report

        Blues would probably have to give up their first pick this year for him at a minimum – which is certainly a worthwhile deal, but I agree it’s not really in their strategy. Suspect their plan generally would have been to keep taking draft picks for now and then wait until they’re in a good age-range to pick up a free agent or two. But Kelly coming on the market I think is an opportunity that is hard to pass up and worth making the relevant inquiries if nothing else.

        • June 14th 2017 @ 1:50pm
          Macca said | June 14th 2017 @ 1:50pm | ! Report

          Giving up their first round pick tis year would be OK if they hadn’t already given up their second round pick.

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            June 14th 2017 @ 2:07pm
            Josh Elliott said | June 14th 2017 @ 2:07pm | ! Report

            True, though potentially getting some high picks in for Bryce Gibbs could make it balance out alright.

            • June 14th 2017 @ 2:12pm
              Macca said | June 14th 2017 @ 2:12pm | ! Report

              If Gibbs goes it will be on the blues terms which makes getting Kelly or someone similar highly likely as well as keeping another first round pick – but I have serious doubts Gibbs will go.

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                June 14th 2017 @ 4:50pm
                Josh Elliott said | June 14th 2017 @ 4:50pm | ! Report

                Fair enough.

              • June 14th 2017 @ 5:48pm
                Jack said | June 14th 2017 @ 5:48pm | ! Report

                Sounds like Gibbs will go, can’t see crows giving up anymore then first draft pick given the fact that he will be 29. not sure what gee would want for kelly

    • June 14th 2017 @ 8:24am
      me too said | June 14th 2017 @ 8:24am | ! Report

      how does Brown stating ‘almost frontrunners’ become simply ‘frontrunners’? they aren’t likely to be and he never said they were.

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        June 14th 2017 @ 1:50pm
        Josh Elliott said | June 14th 2017 @ 1:50pm | ! Report

        Fair point. Have ammended the section re his comments a little.

    • June 14th 2017 @ 8:35am
      mattyb said | June 14th 2017 @ 8:35am | ! Report

      There’s a very strong talk of Casboult to Collingwood.
      The Gibbs trade will pop it’s head up again also and don’t Carlton want Hopper as well,they sure love the GWS players. That Silvaagni has one massive ego.

      There was some talk of Crameri to Melbourne,heard this before the Crameri injury though.

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        June 14th 2017 @ 8:43am
        Paul D said | June 14th 2017 @ 8:43am | ! Report

        How does ego affect the signing of players, out of curiosity

        Either way it seems to be going well for them you must admit! Loads of players re-signing and a handy win over one of the premiership shortlist last week

      • Roar Guru

        June 14th 2017 @ 8:44am
        Paul D said | June 14th 2017 @ 8:44am | ! Report

        Also if Bucks signed Casboult I rather think the members would tear him to pieces like a Parisian mob during revolutionary times

      • June 14th 2017 @ 9:31am
        Macca said | June 14th 2017 @ 9:31am | ! Report

        Mattyb – Great to see yet another good performance from Gibbs on the weekend – been really professional this year and rewarded the blues decision to keep him.

        As for the GWS players – why wouldn’t you go after high quality players? It is working a treat with Marchbank and Plowman – on a side note it is interesting to see Marchbank is up to over 78% disposal efficiency this year – great work for someone with question marks over their disposal?

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          June 14th 2017 @ 10:44am
          Col from Brissie said | June 14th 2017 @ 10:44am | ! Report

          I jokingly said to Adelaide Docker the other day that we won’t hear from mattyb for a couple of days as after a Carlton win it takes him two days to get out of bed. Well right on cue here he is.

          It sure is egotistical of SOS to be according to Brown enquiring about getting one of the best young midfielders to Carlton. Funny, I thought that was the job of all recruiters.

          As for Casboult to Collingwood, the only person I have heard pushing this barrow is mattyb. I certainly haven’t heard or seen anything reporting it. If Collingwood are looking for a key forward through free agency they would surely be looking at Ben Reid or even Jackson Trengrove.

          matty, did you hear that magnificent song reverberating around Docklands on Sunday night – absolutely fantastic.

          • Roar Guru

            June 14th 2017 @ 11:00am
            AdelaideDocker said | June 14th 2017 @ 11:00am | ! Report

            Oh, glad to see matty’s back!

            But yeah, I’m pretty bemused about how it’s apparently egotistical to be going after potential players. Likeeeeee, I’d be worried if Silvangi didn’t (at the very least) consider Kelly for the Blues


          • June 14th 2017 @ 11:18am
            Macca said | June 14th 2017 @ 11:18am | ! Report

            I think Mattyb got his Casboult to Collingwood rumour from the same bloke who told him the blues would give up Gibbs and a draft pick for Marchbank last year – that was back when he thought Marchbank was a gun and worth every penny.

      • June 14th 2017 @ 9:53am
        Birdman said | June 14th 2017 @ 9:53am | ! Report

        given Carlton have a threadbare forward line why would Casboult be on the table?

        Surely they should be looking to land offensive reinforcements to give him a chop-out – probably more of a priority than a gun mid like Kelly at huge money IMHO.

        • June 14th 2017 @ 9:59am
          Macca said | June 14th 2017 @ 9:59am | ! Report

          Birdman – He is a free agent (restricted I think) and has said that he plans to leave his contract negotiations until the end of the year as per usual.

          That said even with the possible debut of Harry McKay this week the fact that Casboult has kicked as many goals in half a season as he did all last year and is doing a great job giving Kreuzer a chop out in the ruck points to the blues resigning him on a bigger contract rather than letting him walk for minimal compo – especially as the blues look like having plenty of cap space.

          • Roar Guru

            June 14th 2017 @ 10:06am
            Cat said | June 14th 2017 @ 10:06am | ! Report

            He is out of contract but not a free agent. Drafted in 2010. Will only qualify for restricted FA after 8 years in the league (unless FA changes).

            • June 14th 2017 @ 10:11am
              Macca said | June 14th 2017 @ 10:11am | ! Report

              Cat – According to the Carlton website Casboult is actually an unrestricted free agent – “Carlton’s Dennis Armfield, Levi Casboult. Matthew Kreuzer, Kade Simpson, Simon White are all unrestricted free agents.” So I guess we are both wrong.

              Casboult was actually drafted in the 2009 rookie draft.

      • June 14th 2017 @ 11:14am
        ken oath said | June 14th 2017 @ 11:14am | ! Report

        “House of Silvagni” thank you Mattyb, respect when you refer to him.

        • June 14th 2017 @ 9:46pm
          Lofty said | June 14th 2017 @ 9:46pm | ! Report


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        June 14th 2017 @ 1:53pm
        Josh Elliott said | June 14th 2017 @ 1:53pm | ! Report

        Reckon Richmond would be a better fit for Casboult than Collingwood – somewhere where he can be the second forward is probably his best chance to flourish. Doubt that would stop Collingwood making an average decision though.

        How about Gibbs to Crows, Crows’ first to GWS, Hopper & McGovern to the Blues? They’d have to be happy with that.

        Crameri to Melbourne would make some sense through the Brendan McCartney connection, but I haven’t heard anything on it.

        • June 14th 2017 @ 4:01pm
          Redbacks fan said | June 14th 2017 @ 4:01pm | ! Report

          People would be rioting in Rundle Mall if Adelaide traded McGovern in a straight swap for Gibbs, let alone if Adelaide threw in their first round pick too. But you’re right, Carlton would have to be happy with that trade.

          • Editor

            June 14th 2017 @ 4:52pm
            Josh Elliott said | June 14th 2017 @ 4:52pm | ! Report

            I’ve seen some pretty horrendous street performers there over the years, it could do with something new.

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          June 14th 2017 @ 4:07pm
          Paul D said | June 14th 2017 @ 4:07pm | ! Report

          Not sure why anyone would want Crameri. Not since Jason McCartney has someone struggled more after coming back from an enforced layoff

          • Editor

            June 14th 2017 @ 4:51pm
            Josh Elliott said | June 14th 2017 @ 4:51pm | ! Report

            I’m with you there Paul, I’ve never really been a fan of his and not sure who would be genuinely interested.

        • June 14th 2017 @ 9:16pm
          Birdman said | June 14th 2017 @ 9:16pm | ! Report

          Ryan Shoenmakers might be cheap forward depth for the blues?

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            June 15th 2017 @ 9:03am
            Josh Elliott said | June 15th 2017 @ 9:03am | ! Report

            Well, he would definitely be cheap.

          • June 15th 2017 @ 9:10am
            Macca said | June 15th 2017 @ 9:10am | ! Report

            Birdman – This is part of the report on the VFL game this week for the Northern Blues-
            31. Patrick Kerr
            Stats: 13 disposals, 3 inside 50s, 1 goal
            From the coach: We used him in parts in the ruck but in terms of playing his role he was outstanding. He kicked a great goal on half-time and he’s a really crafty leading forward who we think has a pretty bright future ahead of him.
            19. Harry McKay
            Stats: 9 disposals, 9 marks (7 inside 50), 2 goals
            From the coach: I thought Harry competed in the air really well, and he’s becoming more consistent. He needs to tidy up around goal considering he probably should’ve finished with five goals, but we’re certainly excited with the direction he’s heading in.

            Assuming we keep Casboult and Silvagni and C Curnow continue to develop with the above 2 knocking on the door I am not sure we need a 27 year old who can’t get in to the team that is 2nd last on the ladder

            • June 15th 2017 @ 9:37am
              Birdman said | June 15th 2017 @ 9:37am | ! Report

              Shoey’s definitively depth but he has one outstanding attribute – his kicking for goal is exceptional – just doesn’t get it enough.

              I can understand why he’s struggled for opportunities at the Hawks but I reckon he’s still got something to offer another team.

              • June 15th 2017 @ 9:43am
                Macca said | June 15th 2017 @ 9:43am | ! Report

                That maybe so Birdman but contrary to popular opinion the blues don’t need marking forwards, they just need time for them to develop.

                The blues should be chasing mids this year.

    • June 14th 2017 @ 8:38am
      Rooboy said | June 14th 2017 @ 8:38am | ! Report

      “….a North fan and an optimist”.

      We have to be optimists Josh, we have to be!

      (Leaves troll-hatch ajar….)

    • Roar Guru

      June 14th 2017 @ 8:39am
      Paul D said | June 14th 2017 @ 8:39am | ! Report

      Anthony Miles to Sydney makes a lot of sense, particularly given he’s playing second banana behind Prestia and others. Would be a handy replacement for Titchell

      • June 14th 2017 @ 8:59am
        Tom M said | June 14th 2017 @ 8:59am | ! Report

        Very true, but im not sure he is a walk up start at Sydney either, lacks leg speed and the ball skills needed at the level.

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          June 14th 2017 @ 1:34pm
          Paul D said | June 14th 2017 @ 1:34pm | ! Report

          Beggars can’t be choosers. Till you scrape that barnacle Tippett off the hull of the SS Swannies I can’t see you making much waves in the trade market given your salary issues.

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        June 14th 2017 @ 1:55pm
        Josh Elliott said | June 14th 2017 @ 1:55pm | ! Report

        Worth a punt, really.

    • Roar Guru

      June 14th 2017 @ 9:09am
      Paul D said | June 14th 2017 @ 9:09am | ! Report

      Josh – I’ve got my heart set on our coach luring a player or two out of the Hawks to join him in Brisbane – what do you know about Taylor Duryea? I have him down as out of contract at the end of 2017.

      Also, why on earth would you want Pittard at Arden St. Angry little numpty with dud legs and poor decision making

      • June 14th 2017 @ 9:55am
        Birdman said | June 14th 2017 @ 9:55am | ! Report

        agree Pittard doesn’t merit that sort of attention or money IMHO

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        June 14th 2017 @ 1:59pm
        Josh Elliott said | June 14th 2017 @ 1:59pm | ! Report

        Makes sense – there was talk around Hartung and Whitecross along those lines of thought last year so I wouldn’t be surprised. Duryea is a free agent so could potentially be had for free, so long as Rockliff stays at the club – if he leaves they would probably resist the urge to go for a free agent so as not to lose the compensation for him leaving.

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          June 14th 2017 @ 2:12pm
          Paul D said | June 14th 2017 @ 2:12pm | ! Report

          I know Whitecross is a qld lad, and up until two years ago I’d have loved to have had him, but his injury issues combined with playing on the hard Gabba turf makes him a very low percentage play in my books. Would be another McGuane.

          • Editor

            June 14th 2017 @ 4:53pm
            Josh Elliott said | June 14th 2017 @ 4:53pm | ! Report

            I agree, even the best case scenario is that he plays average footy and keeps a kid out of the team – meant it more as an example of the possible Fagan-Hawthorn connection already being at work.

            • Roar Guru

              June 14th 2017 @ 4:58pm
              Paul D said | June 14th 2017 @ 4:58pm | ! Report

              I reckon we will keep Rocky now. We should. Players who have shown loyalty are so damn rare in recent years that I think we just have to keep him, particularly given his seeming redemption this season.

              • Editor

                June 15th 2017 @ 9:04am
                Josh Elliott said | June 15th 2017 @ 9:04am | ! Report

                I agree, I’m a fan of his and even though he hasn’t always gotten things right I think he is as loyal a player as you’ll find in the game.

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