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    Scotland have snapped their Wallabies losing streak and landed their first ever win against Australia in Sydney, coming out on top of a tight 24-19 thriller.

    Both sides took turns in dominating play with the Scots coming out the better side in the first half, but the Wallabies took control in the second, only to fall short in a tantalising final ten minutes as they hammered the Scottish line.

    Has Scotland become the Wallabies’ most realistic rivalry?
    If you ask any fan of Australian rugby or any sports fan in Australia for that matter, and they will tell you the Wallabies’ biggest rival is New Zealand, the Kiwis, those across the ditch that continue to haunt us.

    While they may be our historical rival, the All Blacks are anything but a heated rival when all they do is arrive, defeat and leave for the better part of one and a half decades.

    A good rivalry is one that produces those thrillers on a regular basis, those tight contests that have fans invested 100 percent in the contest with genuine emotion to want to beat them.

    Every one of the last six games now between Scotland and Australia has been won by six points or less and both sides have won three each. If that’s not a realistically close rivalry then I don’t know what is, and Aussie fans just jump on board.

    The last three games specifically have all been drama-filled, close games of rugby, especially the World Cup quarter-final that saw the Scots robbed in the dying seconds and on the Spring Tour last year when Tevita Kuridrani’s right arm stole it late.

    New Zealand may be the main rivalry of the Wallabies, but Scotland have become the one to watch and a side that you know is producing great rugby storylines and contests for the fans to be invested in.

    Inconsistent starts
    I spoke last week in talking points of Australia’s blistering start against Fiji but their inability to keep it going. Letting off the gas as it were.

    This week they did the exact opposite.

    Scotland shot out of the gates and, thanks to a litany of Wallaby errors and penalties, were able to spend the bulk of the opening half an hour entrenched in the Australian half and inside the 22.
    Australia couldn’t seem to clear their way out of an empty car park the way they continued to gift the ball back to Scotland and were lucky the Scots were falling short in execution for the most part.

    Their kicking, in particular, was lacklustre in the opening 40 minutes, often failing to find touch or the other side of halfway and hitting the breadbasket of the back three the majority of the time.

    Will Genia’s kicking from the back of the ruck was off from last week as well, but I’ll get to that.

    The Wallabies continued their clumsy ways in the second stanza as the penalties and errors continued to flow, but they were at least able to turn it around and hump all the pressure on the Scots end of the park.

    They need to figure out if they want to be fast starters or gradual climbers or late finishers in a contest because changing between them isn’t doing much for Michael Cheika’s men.

    Or is it even too much to ask for a complete 80-minute performance?

    Charge down tries are stupid
    I hate charge down tries. I just hate them. They shouldn’t happen, people should never allow a charge down try to eventuate.

    If you see someone there, just don’t kick it. If someone is close enough to be able to charge down your kick, then it’s likely they are right next to you and you should know they are there.

    Just don’t kick it. If they are that close it’s quite obvious that your kick just isn’t going to go through them, because that’s not how science works. Take the tackle, throw a dummy, pass it off. Anything is better than the embarrassment of being charged down and giving away an absolute gift.

    Now that that’s out of the way. What are you doing Will Genia!

    Even leading up to the moment Genia ploughed his kick straight into the arms of Scottish flyhalf Finn Russell for their second try of the game, Genia’s kicking just seemed a bit off.

    He wasn’t quite finding his mark, not quite getting his distances right or accuracy and when Bernard Foley was yellow carded, he was given extra kicking duties.

    It didn’t work out for him in the end and Dane Haylett-Petty then took over with the boot for the most part until Foley reemerged.

    Scotland were struggling to find the line despite dominating possession in the opening half and that charge down try just let them off the hook and put the Wallabies into a little hole. It should never have happened.

    Different results on either side of the ditch a glimpse into the future?
    Just one day prior to the Wallabies losing to a lesser-fancied Scottish side in Sydney, the All Blacks decimated a lesser-fancied Samoan outfit in Auckland with a 78-0 hammering.

    Every year the Wallabies take hope into the Bledisloe Cup, hoping that this is the year, hoping that the pain will finally stop, hoping that maybe we can win back that little cup that has haunted us for so long now.

    If this weekend of rugby proved anything, it’s that the Wallabies are still a long, long, long way off.

    Now that seems like an obvious statement to anyone that’s been paying attention to rugby at any points in the last five years, but it was really obviously highlighted over the past few days.

    Both came up against opponents they were expected to beat, opponents that are no pushover but should have realistically been some form of stepping stone into the Rugby Championship in August.

    New Zealand were clinical, they were near-faultless from kickoff to the final whistle and they tore the Samoans apart with 12 tries and an incredible 50 points in the second half alone.

    That’s how the best side in the world does it. They perform at 100 per cent regardless of the opposition and they don’t let themselves be complacent. It’s the type of relentlessness and ruthlessness that Australia simply doesn’t have.

    In stark contrast, the Wallabies limped and spluttered their way to a five-point loss to Scotland.

    Maybe Samoa isn’t as strong an opposition as Scotland, but could you really see the Wallabies scoring 78 points and conceding none if put in the same game as the All Blacks faced?

    There’s such a huge contrast between these two games and they are the kind of early signs that should have Wallaby fans nervous to take on the All Blacks later in the year.

    Is this another step in the rise of Scottish rugby?
    Scotland have now won seven of their last nine games since losing to Australia last year by a single point at Murrayfield.

    They tied second in the Six Nations earlier in the year, only dropping down the table on points difference, but they lost just two games, one of those being to an England side who were on a record winning streak at the time.

    They got past Ireland and Wales, two sides who have traditionally been better than them in recent history and expected to win, in the same way Australia were in Sydney.

    Despite missing star players Stuart Hogg, who has won player of the tournament for the Six Nations two years in a row now, and Tommy Seymour, Scotland stepped up to a full-strength Wallabies side and they conquered them.

    Scotland only had two players picked in the highly sought after 41-man Lions squad that is currently in New Zealand and they were out to prove a point against the Wallabies and show that they have so much more than that.

    They performed well in the World Cup in 2015 and they’ve begun to surprise many with their performances in the Six Nations over the last two years, but a win away from home against a top three side like Australia, that’s the biggest sign to world rugby that Scotland are serious business and they are on the rise.

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    • June 18th 2017 @ 10:10am
      bib said | June 18th 2017 @ 10:10am | ! Report

      Talking point 6:

      Can we finally put the Cheika myth to bed?

      Worst thing to ever happen to Australian rugby was the Tahs fluke SR title. It gave the NSW faction the encouragement they needed to get a good old randwick boy into the top job.

      “Yeah, nah ok mate, you know mate running rugby mate, just swing the club mate, who cares about the points mate, can you rember back in ’93 mate when we played running rugby mate? all tries, yeah mate.. swing that club mate.”

      • June 18th 2017 @ 10:58am
        Bill said | June 18th 2017 @ 10:58am | ! Report

        Fluke it was, a 50/50 last minute off side against McCaw. Could have gone the other way. Made heroes out of very average players and so the myth continues….

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          June 18th 2017 @ 11:11am
          eagleJack said | June 18th 2017 @ 11:11am | ! Report

          Except they finished top of the log by a considerable margin. They were the best side in 2014. Yes, they got a lucky call at the death. But McCaw has got away with plenty in his time. That’s rugby unfortunately.

          • June 18th 2017 @ 2:02pm
            double agent said | June 18th 2017 @ 2:02pm | ! Report


          • June 18th 2017 @ 2:44pm
            soapit said | June 18th 2017 @ 2:44pm | ! Report

            not to mention a lucky call or two to the crusaders in that match that funnily enough no one seems to bring up

          • June 19th 2017 @ 9:58am
            Link said | June 19th 2017 @ 9:58am | ! Report

            And Tahs best forward was a South African.

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            June 19th 2017 @ 10:12am
            Train Without A Station said | June 19th 2017 @ 10:12am | ! Report

            EJ probably more a fluke in that the 12 week period of great performance was unable to be replicated.

        • June 18th 2017 @ 11:57am
          superba said | June 18th 2017 @ 11:57am | ! Report

          Bill it was no 50/50 offside .
          Joubert subsequently admitted he got it wrong and should not have blown that penalty against McCaw which allowed the Tahs to kick the three to win the title .
          Mind you when one thinks about how much McCaw had got away with for so many years that was ” poetic justice “.

          • June 18th 2017 @ 12:28pm
            Andy said | June 18th 2017 @ 12:28pm | ! Report

            Naholo went into touch for one of their tries. TMO still gave the try.

        • June 18th 2017 @ 5:25pm
          Cuw said | June 18th 2017 @ 5:25pm | ! Report

          it was not 50:50 Joubert accepted he got it wrong. it was a tackle and not a ruck so no offside.

        • June 19th 2017 @ 5:36am
          P2R2 said | June 19th 2017 @ 5:36am | ! Report

          Joubert admitted he got the call wrong against McCaw….it was a fluke win…..and that’s a fact

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        June 18th 2017 @ 12:02pm
        Don said | June 18th 2017 @ 12:02pm | ! Report

        The Tahs win was no “fluke.” They played too many games in the season and finished top of the table to consider winning the comp a “fluke.’ A fortunate decision won the last game but, hey, that happens… QLD lost a game gainst the ‘Saders early this year the same way.

        However, Cheika’s ascent to the top job was made easier (and a few years too soon for both him and the side) by a perfect storm of test losses, residual player dissent from the previous year’s Spring Tour curfew break suspensions and the KB V Di Padstow blow up.

        And yes, the Tah influence had a strong position because of the SR win a year earlier and the ARU weren’t going to go to a foreign coach after Deans and the angst that resulted in his tenure – from QLD in particular.

        Now, I have never been a Cheika fan. I just don’t think he has a game plan / style that works in Test Rugby and he gets too fixated on a style of play and loyalty to certain players despite what everyone else can plainly see isn’t working.

        But where do we go from him? His assitants are worse so they aren’t going to step up.

        IMO, this coach should not be the sole selector. There needs to be a panel. If he doesn’t like that idea, fine, you have 2 choices… work with it or PO.
        Get rid of Grey and Larkham before next season.

        He also needs to be taken to task over the game plans (but by people who have some rugby credibility.)
        We are not evolving. After 3 years we should be seeing him understanding that kicking for position is a logical tactic if you have a set piece that can get you a share of the pill. We are only now finally seeing kicks for Folau that he scored dozens of tries in the same way in League.

        Cheika has a style he wants to play regardless of the player talent available.
        What surprises me is that when he won that S15 title he had a pack that was “traditional” in a solid front row, reasonable locks, an abrasive hitting and running 6, a fast 7 who linked and a traditional running and hitting 8.
        Yet in Test rugby we try to play 2 or even 3 numer 7’s in the past 2 seasons?

        This concept of “running rugby” or “the Australian Style” is just a myth. Go back and look at the Dwyer 2.0 and MacQueen successful periods. We didn’t play this mythical expansive style that people associated closely with Randwick. Far from it in fact. We had a very strong set piece. Won more than our share of line outs. Kicked long and often for position because we had a strong set piece.
        We had great backs with skill who put the ball in front of the runner and who took the tackle if the option wasn’t “on.”

        A lot of the wins were on the back of playing a very conservative style of rugby…

        I’m OK watching a well drilled skillful side winning games 15 -10. Better than the dross we are seeing lately…
        We could take a leaf out of Eddie Jone’s book IMO. Get the basics done well before you look beyond that.

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          June 18th 2017 @ 12:46pm
          eagleJack said | June 18th 2017 @ 12:46pm | ! Report

          I largely agreee with this. I’m a big fan of Cheika. Or more to the point I think he is by far the best available. But he hasn’t surrounded himself with quality assistants. And that is where he has let himself down.

          Cheika is a great man manager and motivator. Gets the best out of the players off the field. So they perform on the field. But a tactician he is not. So he needs support in attack. Larkham has proven he is not that man.

          I can’t help but think the directive from the ARU, desperate to compete with the successful codes, is that playing in an entertaining manner is far more important than getting the W. Of course, they hope to get the win, but it has to be entertaining. When in fact most would take a dour win, over a “running rugby” loss.

          And in Cheika they have that man who will implement it, despite its obvious failings. His stubbornness means he will keep pushing forward despite the evidence. When it clicks it’s beautiful to watch. But our players aren’t very skillful. So teams know that if they bide their time, mistakes will happen.

          I think we have the core of a successful group. But we need to get smarter. Forget that Rugby is a distant 4th amongst the football codes. Play to win and nothing else. Forget about entertaining. People follow winners and the crowds will come back even if we are winning by taking the 3 at every opportunity, and tactically kicking to the corners to create pressure.

          • June 18th 2017 @ 1:07pm
            Kudos said | June 18th 2017 @ 1:07pm | ! Report

            He’s one of the worst man managers I’ve seen but he’s an exceptional motivator. You can’t accept constant poor performances from some players and than others who do little wrong get flicked. The excuse of there’s no one better is garbage. They have never been given a proper chance to be better. Link was a far better coach and he was removed by some tabloid rumours and then not supported. Imagine Wayne Bennett having to step down due to that type of trash when he actually left his wife and everything. Cheika man managed Pocock out of the picture. Our best player. If Pocock’s captain and playing in his preferred position he would still be here. He earned that and it was stolen just like links job. The Wallabies players outside his little cliche are so demotivated because his selections aren’t honest. Theyre emotion based and that type of coaching will never be successful long term. He coddles Hooper, Foley and Folau and takes a stick to others. The media are the worst. Genia’s one bad performance gets heavy criticism from everywhere but Foley’s endless precession of poor form gets the media supporting the couple of things he got right.

            Finally Cheika’s running rugby style requires a genuine ball player with subtlety to offer variation when our forwards are struggling to generate it themselves, that’s Quade not Foley. I’m not a QC cheerleader by any means I’m just sick of Cheika’s outright lies. Honesty, equality, a fair go and just rewards for those who have earned them. That’s how a good man manager builds a successful culture.

            • June 18th 2017 @ 4:03pm
              PiratesRugby said | June 18th 2017 @ 4:03pm | ! Report

              I’ve been saying this since Cheika started.

            • June 18th 2017 @ 7:29pm
              Xiedazhou said | June 18th 2017 @ 7:29pm | ! Report

              An excellent post. Couldn’t agree more. The selection bias is undeniable, and is costing the team.

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              June 18th 2017 @ 7:48pm
              eagleJack said | June 18th 2017 @ 7:48pm | ! Report

              No actually he is a great man manager.

              And I suggest you do a little more research on Link. Great coach. But refused to allow players to talk to him. A closed door policy doesn’t work for a coach. That was the beginning of the end for Link. Interestingly he wasn’t like that at provincial level. Something changed once he got to head coach of Oz

              • June 18th 2017 @ 9:27pm
                Xiedazhou said | June 18th 2017 @ 9:27pm | ! Report

                Yeah what happened was a certain group of players deliberately undermined the structures he put into place, and the people. Ultimately however those same players were rewarded by the management that replaced Link. I

              • June 18th 2017 @ 10:36pm
                Fionn said | June 18th 2017 @ 10:36pm | ! Report

                I could be wrong, but I had heard it was mostly Waratahs and a few Rebels who had problems with Link, while the Brumbies and Reds players generally got on with him?

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                June 19th 2017 @ 6:30am
                eagleJack said | June 19th 2017 @ 6:30am | ! Report

                Not true at all Fionn. Players from all provinces were extremely frustrated by Link’s refusal to talk to them, particularly about off-field stuff. A coach is there to coach. But also act as a mentor. Being away from family etc can be tough and generally it is the coach players lean on for advice, or guidance in times of stress.

                Not be referred to a secretary with zero experience. And told that if she thought it was important enough, then she’d book in a time to talk with Link.

                It caused problems right across the playing group. The “relationship” innuendo developed from that.

              • June 19th 2017 @ 1:19pm
                Xiedazhou said | June 19th 2017 @ 1:19pm | ! Report

                Thats not true EJ. “Neutrals” like Leiliifano were quoted at the time of Links demise as saying they had no access issues and were sorry to see him (and Patson) go. The cancer in the team was there, and has since been promoted/rewarded. Trouble is, the chickens are now coming to roost as coach and a few of his selected untouchables are being found out on the field.

            • June 18th 2017 @ 11:00pm
              Wallace footrot said | June 18th 2017 @ 11:00pm | ! Report

              As much respect as I had for the great Matt Burke when he was playing, he now seems to be constantly talking up the three you mention and bagging QC and now K Hunt (listen to his commentary on yesterdays game). There seems to be too much politics in selections and as someone else mentioned I think it is well overdue that a national team selection panel be used and the coach (and his favourites) get a lot less say. Pocock definitely should have been 7 and most definitely should have been captain, calm under pressure with humility and presence….and has the greatest respect from men and women across all forms of the game. Would have been a true leader on and off the field.

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              June 19th 2017 @ 6:37am
              eagleJack said | June 19th 2017 @ 6:37am | ! Report

              “The Wallabies players outside his little cliche are so demotivated because his selections aren’t honest”.

              Any proof of that kudos? Or pure speculation on your behalf? The players I know would strongly disagree.

              Even a guy like Will Genia said this to the media after coming out of retirement to rejoin the Wallabies:

              “I know I said at the World Cup that it was the end for me but being part of the new set-up and the feeling we had among the boys made me hungry again”.

              Sounds like the environment is a pretty good one, if Genia decided not to retire on the back of it.

              Or is he part of the “cliche”?

          • June 18th 2017 @ 1:24pm
            Fionn said | June 18th 2017 @ 1:24pm | ! Report

            Imo the ARU should disregard the fears of NSW and QLD.

            1. Central contracting
            2. Central coaching
            3. Copy NZ

            When we don’t have the expertise on how to do something we hire foreigners to teach us.

            We should hire good Kiwis or good Saffas for every single SR team and say they have to have Aussie assistants and have them coach both the team and the assistants.

            Put Jake White in charge of the Wallabies and focus on getting back to basics and skilling up. Then try and get Eddie Jones or (I am dreaming) Wayne Smith.

            Australian coaching isn’t good enough. If we import foreigners to teach our players and our coaches for the next 5-10 years then hopefully they will be good enough in the future, but if we continue with the current path we will keep regressing and the sport will die.

          • June 19th 2017 @ 5:34am
            Playerfromwayback said | June 19th 2017 @ 5:34am | ! Report

            Cheika needs a rugby analyst and tactition of saaay Nicholas Bishop’s caliber, but that will never happen, because “there is nothing wrong with Australian rugby” remember? Nothing will change because first there must be a willingness to change. And who knows, Nic might not want the job?

          • June 19th 2017 @ 10:30am
            Jibba Jabba said | June 19th 2017 @ 10:30am | ! Report

            Cheika is rubbish at the top level but apart from that i like a good Wolf Blass Eaglejack merlot, a top drop for 5 bucks – and the best feature of the post 🙂

        • June 18th 2017 @ 8:47pm
          Rhys Bosley said | June 18th 2017 @ 8:47pm | ! Report

          Absolutely Bib.

          And I would add that “An attractive style of Australian Running Rugby” is a hideous marketing term confected by weak minds, who have succumbed to the perpetual trash talk from NRL and AFL supporters about rugby being “boring”. It has led to the tail wagging the dog and the Wallabies losing their mojo, when only 15 years ago they were the best rugby team in the World and the greatest football jersey in Australia.

          Rugby is what rugby is and it shouldn’t be allowed to be defined in this country by a couple of rival codes sports that barely register outside of Australia. We need to get back to the basics of defence, set piece and kicking, which are the platform for good attacking play.

          Personally I think we could do a lot worse than recruiting a former winning South African gent who goes by the name of White to make that happen. The Brumbies are still our best team on the back of his contribution to their legacy, I reckon the Wallabies could do with what he can provide too.

          • June 18th 2017 @ 10:37pm
            Fionn said | June 18th 2017 @ 10:37pm | ! Report

            Absolutely on the money, Rhys.

            I think old Jake would work wonders with the Reds also!

        • June 19th 2017 @ 5:37am
          P2R2 said | June 19th 2017 @ 5:37am | ! Report

          you are in DENIAL….

      • June 18th 2017 @ 2:43pm
        soapit said | June 18th 2017 @ 2:43pm | ! Report

        devils advocate but ewen mckenzie was a randwick boy too no? might want to twinge the conspiracy theory a little

      • June 18th 2017 @ 8:37pm
        In Brief said | June 18th 2017 @ 8:37pm | ! Report

        Cheika’s the best coach we have in Australian and the best we’ve had in a long time. Getting to the final for of the world up proves that. Winning the Super rugby title proves that. The results he’s achieved with the players at his disposal is impressive.

        • June 19th 2017 @ 10:12am
          Link said | June 19th 2017 @ 10:12am | ! Report

          What have we achieved? Mediocrity?Cheika is the worst Wallaby coach of all time.Getting thrashed in a RWC Final 2 years ago is not an achievement mate.We are a disgrace, an embarrassment.Everyone is laughing at us.Under Chieka we have lost to an Undermanned Scotland in Sydney for the first time in our history and have also been beaten by the poms 3 times in a series in Australia for the first time in our history.

          Michael Cheika has got to fall on his sword ASAP.

          • June 19th 2017 @ 10:31am
            Jibba Jabba said | June 19th 2017 @ 10:31am | ! Report

            A 2 edged sword, so he can take pulver with him…

      • June 18th 2017 @ 10:26pm
        Jeff dustby said | June 18th 2017 @ 10:26pm | ! Report

        Bib – no idea

    • June 18th 2017 @ 10:17am
      Wobbliesarewoeful said | June 18th 2017 @ 10:17am | ! Report

      Bahaha love it.. Cheika is a joke,

    • June 18th 2017 @ 10:21am
      Fionn said | June 18th 2017 @ 10:21am | ! Report

      This is the first year of my life I’ll be entering the Bledisloe without any excitement or hope whatsoever. It won’t be a series, it will be a slaughter. It’s the feeling I get when I watch the Rebels walk out against a Kiwi team.

      It’s a deeply sad realisation. No words, just very sad.

      Congratulations to Scotland and the All Blacks, however.

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        June 18th 2017 @ 10:37am
        PeterK said | June 18th 2017 @ 10:37am | ! Report

        I have to agree.

        Going back to 1978 so almost 40 years this is the least hope I have of winning even 1 game against NZ , but as you say not even any excitement on the prospect of playing them.

      • June 18th 2017 @ 11:03am
        Ouch said | June 18th 2017 @ 11:03am | ! Report

        You’re not the only one.

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        June 18th 2017 @ 11:07am
        eagleJack said | June 18th 2017 @ 11:07am | ! Report

        I came to that realisation when I first sat in on a Chiefs training session about 5 years ago. Saw the depth. Saw the professionalism. Realised that Kiwi rugby is on an insane trajectory to the moon. Whilst Australia is stagnant and unlikely to shift up into another gear for another decade or so. If ever.

        But I still enjoy and look forward to watching the Wallabies play. It’s time we all accept that we aren’t in the same ball park as New Zealand. Never have been (bar a very brief moment in our history). A 26% win rate testament to that.

        But realistically we can still beat other top Nations and have done so consistently. Everyone is fighting for second place. We all have our problems. Australia will work their way out of this one.

        • June 18th 2017 @ 1:28pm
          Kudos said | June 18th 2017 @ 1:28pm | ! Report

          It’s time we accept that we’re not in the same ball park as NZ? That goes against every successful. Our cricket team dig themselves out of holes time and again. Mass player exodus and a few years later were back mixing it up with the best. Indian crickets financial and political dwarfs us and could have eventually crippled cricket here but we don’t hear excuses. They just go to work and produce the BBL. SANZAR’s appetite for expansion has hurt the quality of our SR and test team yet people are blind to the facts. NZ have far more numbers, money, rugby political clout etc so there success is understandable but why does that prevent us from stepping up. The Socceroos are a minnow footballing nation yet regurlarly go to world cups and have had some amazing tussles with the best teams in the world. A greater feat than what’s facing Aus rugby. It’s run by white collar gossiping types, who get there way by undermining people behind there back while smiling to their face. This filters through to fans and has become accepted. Imagine John Eales conducting himself the way Hooper did as Link was flicked. Imagine Pocock sitting there with nothing but contempt for his coach whose life is now in ruins. Imagine Ponting doing that. Warnie probably would of but that’s why he was overlooked. Good leaders are selfless and Hooper and Cheika just aren’t.

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            June 18th 2017 @ 5:20pm
            Mark Richmond said | June 18th 2017 @ 5:20pm | ! Report

            Couple of good posts there Kudos, match my thoughts about Cheika and Hooper.

            • June 18th 2017 @ 10:48pm
              Wallace footrot said | June 18th 2017 @ 10:48pm | ! Report

              Completely agree. Link needs to write that book and Hooper and Cheik went about things the wrong way. It was very decisive then and remains so for many fans to this very day. The ARU handled the whole thing very poorly and are still way out of their depth. It is a great shame as Australian rugby and its personel used to be the envy of teams world wide.

          • June 18th 2017 @ 7:33pm
            Xiedazhou said | June 18th 2017 @ 7:33pm | ! Report

            Thats why i can never suppprt Hooper as captain of the Wallabies. Its not only that his selection at 7 when there are better 7s available hurts the side, but also that his role in the Beale/Patson issue and Links demise is inexcuseable.

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            June 18th 2017 @ 7:52pm
            eagleJack said | June 18th 2017 @ 7:52pm | ! Report

            Was unaware the Australian cricket team had a 26% win rate against any national side.

            Like a few, you think the Wallabies woes began and end with Cheika. And by the looks of it Hooper too.

            Time to step back into reality. The Wallabies have always punched above their weight. And I’m happy to have our success measured against the best. But perspective is also needed. We have been poor against the ABs for decades. When you lose 75% of the time that is generally an accepted fact.

            The trouble with the Wallabies is that we have moments of success, but the fans are never happy. We are consistently in the Top 3 in the world, but apparently we are terrible. We make the RWC Final and people are disgusted and critical when we lose.

            It all stems from a false pretence that we are better than New Zealand. Which we aren’t.

            • June 19th 2017 @ 10:59am
              Harry said | June 19th 2017 @ 10:59am | ! Report

              Like many others, I accept that we have no realistic hope in this year’s Bledisloe and would be rated, at best, one chance in 10. TBH, first time I’ve ever felt like this as a 50 year Wallaby supporter. And last year’s Sydney thrashing in Bled 1 is the low point for me of the Wallabies.

              EJ there is a difference between thinking we are better and thinking we can improve to match them and beat them. It HAS been done in the past and requires skill, determination and teamwork. Its a realistic goal but of course won’t happen easily. What dismays me is Australian rugby seem to be getting worse rapidly.

        • June 18th 2017 @ 2:02pm
          Wallace footrot said | June 18th 2017 @ 2:02pm | ! Report

          You could even argue that getting a spanking every year by the all blacks (as we play them so often) is aiding the demise of the sport in Australia. Soon it may only be a handful of wallaby supporters turning up to all black games as the humiliation is not worth the entry fee. Every grand stand in Aus will be a sea of black :). It’s better to have a bbq at home and keep one eye on it or watch the highlights later…..agree this is the way rugby is or has gone. The belief in Australian supporters has faded. Something has to give.

          • June 18th 2017 @ 3:27pm
            Whakaata said | June 18th 2017 @ 3:27pm | ! Report

            That’s a defeatist and poor loser attitude to have to be fair.
            Get out and support your team, or are they only “your” team if they are winning?

            • June 18th 2017 @ 3:31pm
              Fionn said | June 18th 2017 @ 3:31pm | ! Report

              Lol at an All Black fan talking about supporting their team when it’s losing.

              Do you have any idea what it is even like to support a team that loses?

              • June 18th 2017 @ 4:27pm
                Ouch said | June 18th 2017 @ 4:27pm | ! Report

                That’s why they don’t follow Rugby League.

              • June 18th 2017 @ 4:40pm
                Jacko said | June 18th 2017 @ 4:40pm | ! Report

                Fionn NZ also plays cricket…I’m proud of the way they play and enjoy the wins just as much as I enjoy the ABs wins and I support them regardless of their results. Also NZ has a league team too. Well thats what they refer to it as anyway

              • June 18th 2017 @ 5:28pm
                Cuw said | June 18th 2017 @ 5:28pm | ! Report

                NZ play cricket also – and if my memory is right , they lost to Bangladesh recently 🙂

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                June 18th 2017 @ 6:00pm
                Shane D said | June 18th 2017 @ 6:00pm | ! Report

                Might be a Blues fan as well Fionn.

              • June 18th 2017 @ 8:13pm
                Fionn said | June 18th 2017 @ 8:13pm | ! Report

                Perhaps, Jacko. Let’s see how popular NZ cricket is if it loses every year for 13 years, and then starts getting slaughtered at club as well as international level, and then start losing to teams they traditionally beat, and play appallingly bad cricket.

                People like to say Aussie rugby fans are fickle. I don’t think they are. The fans trot out with hope every year for 14 years.

                This is the first year that I think there is a general attitude of malaise in which people legitimately feel no hope whatsoever.

            • June 18th 2017 @ 7:01pm
              PiratesRugby said | June 18th 2017 @ 7:01pm | ! Report

              Whakaata, what a lot of Aussie fans are saying is that this is not the best “Australian” team. The poor selections, game plan and leadership is breaking the spirit of players and fans alike. I mean seriously, how does Hooper get picked ahead of Pocock? There’s only so much we can swallow. If Cheika wants to continue to pick Foley and he continues to fail then I reckon he’s got to expect to cop flack from the fans.

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                June 18th 2017 @ 11:45pm
                Matt Davis said | June 18th 2017 @ 11:45pm | ! Report

                This is sort of psychotic, but I can tell you that firstly, Hooper gets picked ahead of Pocock because Pocock is not playing rugby at the moment.

              • June 19th 2017 @ 5:43am
                Playerfromwayback said | June 19th 2017 @ 5:43am | ! Report

                It’s not psychotic Matt just fact?

              • June 19th 2017 @ 10:35am
                Jibba Jabba said | June 19th 2017 @ 10:35am | ! Report

                But when pocock was there he was picked at No 8 to keep mr hooper in the team eh bro…

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                June 19th 2017 @ 3:42pm
                Timbo (L) said | June 19th 2017 @ 3:42pm | ! Report

                Alcock, Hardwick, Smith, Butler, Faienga, Take your pick, I don’t Care They are all great in a ruck and over the ball.
                Gill and Pocock back in the next season or 2.
                Reid Injured or playing 6.
                No depth at 7?

            • June 18th 2017 @ 8:10pm
              Ash said | June 18th 2017 @ 8:10pm | ! Report

              Come on we just have to look at the games in Australia now. There’s more Kiwis there than Aussies watching a test match. Rugby is dying in Australia. There’s no real home advantage anymore. No surprise really; it’s the same with the rugby forums here.

            • June 18th 2017 @ 10:18pm
              Wallace footrot said | June 18th 2017 @ 10:18pm | ! Report

              Not defeatist at all… is the true state of the game here. The results dont lie! Pound for pound in any sport bar rugby, Aussies punch well above our weight. However in rugby we have had our shorts pulled down. As Fionn says, after a battering for near 15 years, the loyal fan is demanding answers, or as most have done, give up, find a new sport, or keep a fading interest in what used to be the only game that mattered.

              • June 18th 2017 @ 10:48pm
                Fionn said | June 18th 2017 @ 10:48pm | ! Report

                Very poignant, mate. And it makes me sad thinking about the old days.

                Ah well, at least we have our memories.

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        June 19th 2017 @ 3:31pm
        Timbo (L) said | June 19th 2017 @ 3:31pm | ! Report

        I am worried about the Saffas and the Bargies
        At least they will be exciting contests.

    • June 18th 2017 @ 10:43am
      AJ said | June 18th 2017 @ 10:43am | ! Report

      It might have been a more realistic result if they knocked us out of the RWC.

      Yesterday reminded me of a typical Reds game. Unprofessional!

    • June 18th 2017 @ 10:46am
      Advrider-oz said | June 18th 2017 @ 10:46am | ! Report

      Knock knock.
      Who’s there?
      Wallabies who?

      Nuff said.

    • June 18th 2017 @ 11:06am
      Ouch said | June 18th 2017 @ 11:06am | ! Report

      Only managed to listen to the game on the ABC and haven’t had the fortitude to watch a replay yet.
      Ross Reynolds was going on and on about Scotlands first try coming from a very offside position. One of the “worst decisions he’s ever seen” he kept repeating.
      Was this the case? RR reckoned the guy was 4/5 metres offside. True?

      • June 18th 2017 @ 11:17am
        Bigmac said | June 18th 2017 @ 11:17am | ! Report

        Scots were very fast off the line in defense. Hard to say offside but pushing the law to the absolute limit

      • June 18th 2017 @ 11:38am
        mzilikazi said | June 18th 2017 @ 11:38am | ! Report

        Before looking at the passage of play again, I would say that Genia made such a hash of the pass…..bouncing along the ground for 5 m or so,…….. that the Scot could well have been well onside…a defender can easily cover 10m in that sort of time.

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          June 18th 2017 @ 12:42pm
          tsuru said | June 18th 2017 @ 12:42pm | ! Report

          I just had a look at the replay of that try in slow motion and Taylor was not offside.Both he and the no.8, Watson, came through quickly as Genia passed, but not illegally. I’m afraid Polota-Nau just screwed up the way Tahs and Reds have been doing all season – poor decision making under pressure.

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            June 18th 2017 @ 2:12pm
            Cadfael said | June 18th 2017 @ 2:12pm | ! Report

            Disagree to a point. was a poor pass to TPN who was standing much too deep for a tight forward to run onto the ball. I felt Genia has to take fair amount of responsibility for both Scotland’s opening tries.

            As Tahs it was so deja vu: poor passes and handling, kicks going out when they should have stayed in and vice versa, lack of support (Hooper’s break when he had no one with him). On top of this H-df a poor game and at the end too much white line fever.

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              June 18th 2017 @ 2:53pm
              tsuru said | June 18th 2017 @ 2:53pm | ! Report

              Yes, I agree it was a terrible pass. But if you receive such a bad pass it’s foolish to treat it like it was a good pass. At times like that it’s necessary to take the tackle and reset. Of course we all have the comfort of hindsight (not to mention the comfort of the couch), but these are professional rugby players, not couch potatoes. Having said that I’m still a great supporter of Genia and Polota-Nau.

              • June 18th 2017 @ 4:41pm
                Blinky Bill said | June 18th 2017 @ 4:41pm | ! Report

                Great point tsuru about not treating a poor pass as if it was a good pass, and simply taking the tackle and resetting. Transferring the pressure the way they did is just plain stupid.

                What I can’t quite get is that these guys clearly are cursing themselves, which I interpret as ‘sorry guys I was really dumb there’, and yet don’t make any adjustments. Instead we just see more of it. The inane kick away of the hard won pill was especially tough to watch.

          • June 18th 2017 @ 3:14pm
            mzilikazi said | June 18th 2017 @ 3:14pm | ! Report

            Thanks Tsuru…clears that one up .

      • June 18th 2017 @ 1:24pm
        Bill said | June 18th 2017 @ 1:24pm | ! Report

        Yes -3 of them were absolutely way ahead of the line and useless international line umpire did zero

        • June 18th 2017 @ 7:05pm
          timber said | June 18th 2017 @ 7:05pm | ! Report

          No, they weren’t.
          Watched it again with the pause button and all three are onside as Genia picks up the ball.

        • June 19th 2017 @ 6:52am
          Neil Back said | June 19th 2017 @ 6:52am | ! Report

          You should commentate for 10 or Fox my friend.

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