Nine quick takes from AFL Round 13

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    The footy has finished up for the week, which means it’s time for some quick takes! Here are my first thoughts coming out of Round 13.

    Johanissen next in the gun for Bevo’s big calls
    Luke Beveridge hasn’t hesitated this year when it comes to dropping underperforming stars, and if he stays true to form a Norm Smith medalist may be next.

    Johanissen is definitely known for pulling off some magic but his disappearing act last well was not as well received as previous performances, and he wasn’t much better battling Melbourne.

    His problem is symptomatic of the Dogs in general – they are being hunted and targetted by every team and that is very hard to work through, especially for what is still a relatively young team.

    I’m all for Beveridge making big calls at the table, more teams should have that courage, but it must be worrying that it is not getting results.

    They now finish this round outside the top eight, on a 6-6 record with so-so percentage – and given some of the close wins they have had, they are lucky to be there.

    An improved second half of the year will be essential to earning a finals finish, but it is hard to say what the path to that is.

    As for Johannisen himself, that $800,000 payday he’s asking for might be hard to come by if he doesn’t lift his game – or worse, gets stuck in the VFL.

    In 2017, momentum is massive
    The more this season goes on, the more I am expecting that the premiership will not be decided by who is a better team across the year, but who can build better momentum heading into September.

    We saw a great example of the ebbs and flows of momentum on Saturday night when West Coast broke a three-game losing streak to end Geelong’s three-game winning streak.

    I had tipped the Cats for the game but there was a voice in the back of my head saying the Eagles at home, after spending their bye week firing themselves up, could push the Cats – I wish I had listened to it!

    It doesn’t seem like any team in the league is capable of playing their best footy in a sustained patch. Most sides’ best performances have come immediately after poor losses.

    For that reason, it shouldn’t have surprised to see the Cats grow complacent after three home wins and a bye.

    Generally speaking for a top four club to win the flag, they must beat all three other top four teams across a qualifying final, preliminary final and the grand final.

    Obviously, it doesn’t always go that way, but that’s generally what the test is, and it doesn’t look like something I’d be confident any club in the league could do right now.

    Especially when you consider that Richmond and Melbourne are the only clubs with any kind of top four shot at the moment that would have a chance at playing every game at their home ground.

    Last year the premiership was ultimately won by the one team who really turned it on in September, played genuine finals footy in all four games, and showed that they wanted it more than any other club.

    Something similar has to happen this year and that means it could come from anywhere, and week-to-week analysis of who is leading the race is going to be largely guesswork.

    I guess what I’m saying is, don’t take anything I say about who should or shouldn’t win the flag at this stage to be too definitive. It’s wide open and anyone with a club in the finals mix should dare to dream.

    West Coast Eagles AFL 2017

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    Bryce Gibbs’ big game
    On Saturday night Bryce Gibbs became the sole member of the club of players to have ever recorded 40 disposals, ten tackles and two goals in the same game – a remarkable all-around performance.

    It came at just the right time, too, with his best work done in a huge final term effort that saw Carlton hold off a bright charge from the Suns.

    I have talked a few weeks ago about how impressive Gibbs’ form has been this season, especially given how easy it would’ve been for him to phone it in after the disappointment of not getting the trade he requested last year.

    This was a whole other level though – it was the kind of game that will catch the eye of All-Australian selectors for one. I’m putting out my mid-season team on Tuesday, and while Gibbs isn’t in it, an eye-catching match like Saturday’s brings him much closer.

    It will also have caught the eye of the Adelaide Crows, and though I don’t want to harp on about it overmuch, it once again makes it fascinating to consider what might happen at the end of the year here.

    Bryce Gibbs Carlton Blues AFL 2016

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    Surely the bye rounds could be better
    I’m not someone who likes to spend a lot of time being a fixture-fiddler and engaging in that kind of talk, but every year when the bye rounds come along I have to wonder why they need to be stretched out over three weeks of footy.

    This year it was even stranger due to Port Adelaide and Gold Coast’s China journey, seeing four rounds of the year affected by the byes.

    I get that the vast majority of why things happen the way they do is so that the AFL can have a TV product consistently available and doesn’t give up too much time for other codes to grab people’s attention in.

    However, we have a whole week off before finals that does just that, and the end effect of it is that it all feels really unbalanced.

    The ideal way to do it, I think, is to either go back to a genuine split round across two weeks, or just have one where no team plays at all, and everyone gets a little break.

    It would also make more sense to me to have two byes during the season rather than just one during the season and one before finals – maybe place them to be after the eighth and sixteenth games, so that teams are still relatively fresh coming into September.

    Having already talked about momentum, I think it’s going to be fascinating this year to see if the teams that win qualifying finals – and thereby must have two byes in the space of three weeks leading into a prelim – are affected. Both lost last year.

    At the very least, surely the fixture should be co-ordinated so that teams coming off the bye-play other teams coming off the bye, and vice-versa.

    Perhaps it is a bit of over-tinkering to think along these lines, and I doubt we’ll ever see much change so long as it remains more profitable to stick to the status quo. At any rate, at least we’re done with them for another year.

    AFL CEO Gillon McLachlan

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    Eye-catching Shai a highlight for Tigers fans
    The Richmond faithful wouldn’t have come out of Saturday’s game against Sydney in too positive a mindset, and fair enough given what a lacklustre second half it was for them, ultimately ending in a nine-point loss.

    However, if you’re looking for a pick-me-up as a Tigers fan, the form of Shai Bolton, particularly in the first quarter where he kicked a pair of goals, was something to get really excited about.

    He was a bit of a difficult player to place in last year’s draft – the classic example of someone who had plenty in his bag of tricks, but was yet to develop any real consistency and therefore was difficult to be confident picking.

    However, while the goals he kicked were great, it is the work rate and defensive pressure he has shown in his first few games that have arguably been more impressive than anything else.

    Tigers fans should be very excited about the combination that he and Daniel Rioli will make over the next decade.

    Brisbane finally getting the new-coach bounce
    It’s a pretty common phenomenon in the AFL that the arrival of a new senior coach results in a temporary bounce in form – the real challenge for a club usually winds up being how long they can maintain it for, and whether or not the coach can find new ways to improve the club when the value of his initial arrival wears off.

    Before this past fortnight, I had worries that for Brisbane the new-coach bounce was only going to have lasted a single week, but instead, it seems to be a bit of a delayed reaction.

    Granted, a 40-point loss to Port Adelaide on Saturday night is not a result to brag about too much, but the Brisbane of four or five weeks ago would surely have lost by twice as much, if not more.

    What has to be really heartening for Lions fans too is that their best performers were some of the lesser lights of the side, and established guns like Tom Rockliff and Dayne Beams had fairly quiet ones.

    The fact that they stayed within striking distance of Port for such a large portion of the game, that being the case, is definitely something smile about.

    With Scache re-signing, a win last week, and then a competitive performance this one, it does seem that the changes made last off-season are starting to deliver some results. The Fagan future looks promising.


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    Lance vs Rance provides plenty of fireworks
    It was billed some distance out as a one-on-one battle not to be missed, and the match-up between this decade’s best key forward and best key defender had it all.

    Rance came out the clear winner in this one in the end – he got Buddy angry, and angry Buddy didn’t have the same kind of impact that cool-headed Buddy might have.

    I’m all for players throwing their weight around a bit, within in the rules, but for Franklin to shove Rance over after a marking contest only to miss a regulation set shot just looked a bit dumb.

    The other big physical altercation between the two saw Rance take a pretty average looking dive, not the kind of thing I’d give a thumbs-up to but it showed how well Rance was getting under Franlin’s skin.

    At the end of the day Buddy only kicked a single goal and Rance was probably Richmond’s best – but, it was a Swans victory regardless.

    Optimism is great, but honesty is better
    I’m not sure Brad Scott could have found a much faster way to have everyone look at him as a laughing stock than to come out of an uninspiring match of footy that left North Melbourne as a 4-8 side and still be talking about finals.

    You don’t get to be an AFL coach for a decent period of time without slowly developing a portion of the fanbase that gets a bit sick of you, and while I’m not part of that group of North fans, I can understand their grievances when this kind of talk happens.

    The bar for the Roos to make finals at the moment would require winning at least eight of our remaining ten games and that would be nothing short of a minor miracle right now, something that Brad is smart enough to know, and so are most of our fans – so selling us that message just makes you look like you’ve got your head in the sand.

    I think it is time not just for a change of message but for action to reflect that message, and that means giving some of the younger players a run in the side.

    I’m all for making the kids earn their games if the team is doing well, but if it isn’t, then it makes little sense to be playing underperforming senior types when we could be giving younger players some valuable top-level experience.

    Fingers crossed it doesn’t take much longer for Scott to make that switch because if it does, questions about whether or not he’s the right coach to rebuild the Roos will grow more and more reasonable.

    North Melbourne coach Brad Scott

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    Sam Reid shows the Tigers what they need
    How do you explain a loss like the Tigers had on Saturday? Many will say it is classic Richmond – and maybe it is – but I can’t help but feel like they’ve been a more confident team at times this year and given their position at halftime was quite surprised to see them lose.

    Even in the second half they weren’t too well beaten in the midfield, but they just seemed to miss opportunity after opportunity, and coming out of the game I was surprised that their final scoreline of 10.11.71 wasn’t more lopsided in favour of the behinds column.

    It was really a day that Toby Nankervis would like to have over again – coming up against his old side was the perfect stage to give them a bit of stick for not giving him much opportunity, but he had two bad misses on what should have been very gettable goals.

    He wasn’t the only one who missed gettable goals on the day though and if the Tigers had done a better job of turning their midfield work into points on the board they would still have won comfortably – Sydney’s tenacity was impressive but ultimately they were a little lucky, and wouldn’t want to let a first-quarter like that slide by without serious examination.

    The answer overall is that the Tigers’ forward line needs a bit of a shake-up. The speed and pressure they have is good, but players like Dan Butler and Sam Lloyd didn’t contribute enough, and the likes of Daniel Rioli and Jason Castagna only scraped by.

    What is most essential though has got to be a second dangerous key forward who can work with Jack Riewoldt. At the opposite end of the ground, we saw Sam Reid play a valuable back-up role to Lance Franklin, kicking two crucial goals.

    The Tigers do need another tall contributor up forward and it may be Reid himself in the end, though of course whether or not they look to sign a free agent this year will depend entirely on what Dustin Martin decides to do with his future.

    Josh Elliott
    Josh Elliott

    Josh Elliott may be The Roar's Weekend Editor, but at heart he's just a rusted-on North Melbourne tragic with a penchant for pun headlines - and also abnormal alliteration, assuredly; assuming achievability. He once finished third in a hot chilli pie eating contest. You can follow him on Twitter @JoshElliott_29 and listen to him on The Roar's AFL Podcast.

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    The Crowd Says (218)

    • June 18th 2017 @ 7:59pm
      Swanny said | June 18th 2017 @ 7:59pm | ! Report

      Brad Scott will never be the right coach for north . New coach rebound needed

    • June 18th 2017 @ 8:27pm
      Ditto said | June 18th 2017 @ 8:27pm | ! Report

      Josh when talking about the rise of Brisbane, you need to remember to mention Eric Hipwood. Wow!

      • Editor

        June 19th 2017 @ 10:03am
        Josh Elliott said | June 19th 2017 @ 10:03am | ! Report

        Definitely a gun – I hear Schache had a great match in the NEAFL on the weekend too.

    • Roar Rookie

      June 18th 2017 @ 8:38pm
      Lamby said | June 18th 2017 @ 8:38pm | ! Report

      OK. As a Crows supporter, maybe I was wrong about Gibbs. It might have been worth 2 1st round draft picks to get him for a ’tilt’. It is the tackles that make the difference.

      • June 18th 2017 @ 8:42pm
        sammy said | June 18th 2017 @ 8:42pm | ! Report

        He was very good last night

      • June 18th 2017 @ 10:15pm
        Basil said | June 18th 2017 @ 10:15pm | ! Report

        Lamby, The Cows don’t necessarily need to trade for a guy that gets 40+ possessions against Gold Coast. They need a guy that can do that against Geelong, Giants, and the Swans.

        • June 19th 2017 @ 7:57am
          Macca said | June 19th 2017 @ 7:57am | ! Report

          34 touches, 7 tackles and 2 goals last time out against the cats, 27 touches 4 tackles and a goal last week against the Giants not good enough for the Crows?

          • June 19th 2017 @ 8:41am
            Basil said | June 19th 2017 @ 8:41am | ! Report

            Wouldn’t give up Lever or McGovern for him Macca.

            • June 19th 2017 @ 8:48am
              Sammy said | June 19th 2017 @ 8:48am | ! Report

              Nor 2 first round draft picks

            • June 19th 2017 @ 9:36am
              Macca said | June 19th 2017 @ 9:36am | ! Report

              That’s as may be Basil but the argument Gibbs performance should be downgraded because of the opposition doesn’t hold water.

              As an aside if you look at the Crows 3 losses this year they have come against North (Gibbs had 38 possessions, 6 tackles and kicked 3 goals last time out) Melbourne (Gibbs had just 25 touches this year but in round 22 last year he had 33, laid 5 tackles and 8 clearances) and the Cats (34 touches, 7 tackles and 2 goals last time out).

              • June 19th 2017 @ 9:49am
                ken oath said | June 19th 2017 @ 9:49am | ! Report

                No need to justify anything Macca – Gibbs isn’t leaving.

              • June 19th 2017 @ 9:51am
                Macca said | June 19th 2017 @ 9:51am | ! Report

                I would be very surprised if he did Ken, his performances this year (especially the last month) show why the blues value him so highly.

              • June 19th 2017 @ 10:10am
                GJ said | June 19th 2017 @ 10:10am | ! Report

                I’ve got no idea of Gibbs current state of mind, or what it may be later in the season around trade time.

                As an aside though, Steven Trigg was interviewed just prior to the start of the season. A part of the interview touched on the Gibbs trade. Trigg stated that the Gibbs trade wasn’t going away and he expected it would be front and centre of the coming trade period. He also stated that Carlton and Adelaide would “get the deal done” this time around.

                Speculate to your hearts content and take from that whatever you like.

              • June 19th 2017 @ 10:15am
                Macca said | June 19th 2017 @ 10:15am | ! Report

                GJ – Can you provide a link to Trigg making those comments – I can only find

                Carlton have reiterated their confidence that star midfielder Bryce Gibbs will play out the remaining three years of his contract.

                Gibbs attempted to be traded home to Adelaide last October after serving two years of his current five-year deal, but the exchange did not eventuate when the Crows failed to come up with a satisfactory swap to satisfy the Blues.

                Despite Adelaide threatening to review the “situation” again later this year, Carlton chief executive Steven Trigg yesterday said he was “confident” Gibbs would play out his contract.

                “I know people might be cynical about the response, but the reality is he hasn’t missed a beat,” Trigg said of Gibbs’s pre-season with the Blues.

                “He’s been welcomed back and embraced and internally it just hasn’t been spoken about pretty much since the day he came back in and addressed the fact it wasn’t about Carlton and it wasn’t about Melbourne, it was about some other issues and we’re back on with the job.

                “He’s in as good a nick as he’s ever been in — and that’s measurably, it’s not just me saying it.”

              • June 19th 2017 @ 10:22am
                GJ said | June 19th 2017 @ 10:22am | ! Report

                Was a brief radio interview when he travelled for an AFLW game. I have no link. Just remember finding the comments interesting at the time. Haven’t seen them published anywhere else.

              • June 19th 2017 @ 10:24am
                Macca said | June 19th 2017 @ 10:24am | ! Report

                GJ – Do you have some context because they don’t marry up to any comments I can find or remember regarding Gibbs coming from the blues.

              • June 19th 2017 @ 10:40am
                GJ said | June 19th 2017 @ 10:40am | ! Report

                Steven Trigg and Mark Logiudice travelled with the Carlton AFLW team. The interview was primarily focussed on promoting the AFLW in general. The interview came across as pretty informal. Trigg was asked about the Gibbs trade and expressed sympathy for Gibbs and his family. Intimated that news had come late (Carlton were “blindsided”). He anticipated Gibbs to have a great season based on preseason performance. Understood that clubs needed to be sympathetic to players and their family’s needs. Made it clear he would love Gibbs to stay.

              • Roar Guru

                June 19th 2017 @ 11:23am
                Col from Brissie said | June 19th 2017 @ 11:23am | ! Report

                I am sure by saying ‘the Gibbs thing wasn’t going away” Trigg was probably referring to the fact that they expect Adelaide to be making offers to Gibbs and Carlton. Carlton won’t be pushing the barrow but I am sure they will listen to any offers that the Crows make and a decision will be made. From what I have heard Gibbs is happy to stay at Carlton but if a suitable deal could be made then he would entertain a move home to Adelaide.

              • June 19th 2017 @ 11:30am
                sammy said | June 19th 2017 @ 11:30am | ! Report

                @macca. The 2 things that stood out in the crows losses to North, Melbourne and Geelong was that the crows workrate was off pace comparing to the other games they had played. The other thing was the tackle count of both North and Melbourne in particular was way above their next best at that time and tellingly both teams were soundly beaten the week after showing that it took a lot out of them to do that. Geelong also, coincidently, lost after playing the crows, but having the Bye in between makes it more like coincidence. Gibbs did play well in the games you mention but my perception was that the crows across the board did not work hard enough in those games and workrate is something that can certainly be addressed within

              • June 19th 2017 @ 11:34am
                Macca said | June 19th 2017 @ 11:34am | ! Report

                Sammy – again that’s fine but if you go back to Basil’s comment of “The Cows don’t necessarily need to trade for a guy that gets 40+ possessions against Gold Coast. They need a guy that can do that against Geelong, Giants, and the Swans” it is clear Gibbs’ performance wasn’t good just because the opposition was week but in fact he has performed well against the 3 team Basil mentioned and the 3 teams that have beaten Adelaide this year – if it is performances against good opposition that you want Gibbs’ is delivering.

              • June 19th 2017 @ 11:55am
                sammy said | June 19th 2017 @ 11:55am | ! Report

                @macca. I didn’t say that Gibbs has not been performing so don’t agree with Basil on that one, but I am coming at it from a different angle and that is from watching the team play they were flat on the day across the board in the 3 losses and some key indicators were well down. Now obviously the opposition take credit for their game style against the crows on the day, but when you see a lack of pressure across the board, it is hard to win games no matter who you play. Workrate is something that can be coached, I don’t see it as a lack of talent in the team

              • June 19th 2017 @ 8:16pm
                sammy said | June 19th 2017 @ 8:16pm | ! Report

                I would also expect him to fulfil the contract, I firmly believe that unless carlton dramatically drop their asking price, that ship has sailed and the crows move on and look forward to an extremely highly rated top junior as a father son pick next year and Carlton enjoy having Gibbs perform for them

            • June 19th 2017 @ 9:42am
              Matto said | June 19th 2017 @ 9:42am | ! Report

              Too bad McGovern will be leaving soon enough anyway

              • June 19th 2017 @ 10:11am
                GJ said | June 19th 2017 @ 10:11am | ! Report

                Any idea where he is going? What do think will be offered? He is still quite a long way from being any sort of free agent.

              • June 19th 2017 @ 10:38am
                Mattician6x6 said | June 19th 2017 @ 10:38am | ! Report

                GJ-WCE for a 1st and future 2nd round pick

              • June 19th 2017 @ 10:36am
                Mattician6x6 said | June 19th 2017 @ 10:36am | ! Report

                Matto- Will be great when the brothers reunite that’s for sure

              • Roar Guru

                June 19th 2017 @ 11:46am
                Dalgety Carrington said | June 19th 2017 @ 11:46am | ! Report

                It’s way overselling it to say it’s inevitable McGovern will leave Adelaide, they said that about Pav returning to Adelaide for years too.

                Also, WC wouldn’t necessarily be the automatic choice if he decided coming back to WA was right for him. His dad would be dead keen to have him line up for Freo I’d imagine and Freo would be fairly keen on it too you’d think.

              • June 19th 2017 @ 11:59am
                Mattician6x6 said | June 19th 2017 @ 11:59am | ! Report

                Andrew McGovern also played for Sydney so maybe there hats in the ring as well

              • Roar Guru

                June 19th 2017 @ 12:08pm
                Dalgety Carrington said | June 19th 2017 @ 12:08pm | ! Report

                Andrew’s a died in the wool Freo supporter, even going as far as to wear a Freo scarf to the early Derbies where Jeremy was playing for WC (although he’s finally relented on that score this year I think). So he’d probably love the chance to get one son at Freo and might be a bit of an advocate.

                Given their dad’s rusted-on supporting, it might also be the case that both Jeremy and Mitch were Freo supporters themselves pre-drafting to their current clubs, but that’s just guesswork.

              • June 19th 2017 @ 12:40pm
                Mattician6x6 said | June 19th 2017 @ 12:40pm | ! Report

                I get it man, and it would be great for freo to get an inaugural players son to the club. I’m only applying the brad hill logic to the scenario that’s all.

      • Editor

        June 19th 2017 @ 10:04am
        Josh Elliott said | June 19th 2017 @ 10:04am | ! Report

        I reckon if they could retroactively pull the trigger, they probably would.

    • June 18th 2017 @ 8:54pm
      Glenn said | June 18th 2017 @ 8:54pm | ! Report

      Josh, not a fan of the Swans or are you a Tigers supporter. Did you not notice the gettable goals that Sydney missed in the first quarter that helped the Tigers get out to that lead. Also, do you think Sydney’s game plan was to charge down the ground and just kick it to Ashbury and Rance. I thought they both played blinders, but the Swans kept gifting it to them. My view of the game was that the Swans could quite easily have been no more than 3 goals down at any time of the game and destroyed Richmond out of the middle for 3 quarters. Swans should have won by a lot more and if you use the word lucky, use it about both teams.

      • June 19th 2017 @ 6:18am
        Roger of Sydney said | June 19th 2017 @ 6:18am | ! Report

        Absolutely spot on the money, if the Swans had lowered their heads coming into the forward line in the last quarter it would have been 6 goals more and six less easy marks to Rance. Like the grand final the umps can always find a free in front of goal to help the bulldogs, alla Rampe

        • June 19th 2017 @ 9:13am
          I ate pies said | June 19th 2017 @ 9:13am | ! Report

          That’s called bad football. I assume you’re Sydney supporters. The game I saw was one that Richmond had to lose, and they did a Richmond to lose it.

          • June 20th 2017 @ 12:38pm
            Glenn said | June 20th 2017 @ 12:38pm | ! Report

            Gee, you think? Thanks for that gem. And thanks also for highlighting that ‘Richmond being Richmond’ somehow doesn’t mean Richmond played bad football. And if you can’t do that, maybe you can acknowledge my original point, which was that both teams were lucky. Got it, chief? Are we on the same page now?

      • Editor

        June 19th 2017 @ 10:05am
        Josh Elliott said | June 19th 2017 @ 10:05am | ! Report

        Simply thing is you’re not going to win many games where concede five goals to none in the first quarter, and if the Swans want to play finals from their current position, can’t rely on getting out of jail like that every week. Just one man’s opinion and I don’t ask anyone to agree with it! 🙂

        • June 19th 2017 @ 10:14am
          Glenn said | June 19th 2017 @ 10:14am | ! Report

          Fair enough, but that is a different message to the one in your article.

    • Roar Rookie

      June 18th 2017 @ 9:08pm
      Seano said | June 18th 2017 @ 9:08pm | ! Report

      Half way through the year and the bombers are in the 8! Ill take that with a pretty good run home!

      • Editor

        June 19th 2017 @ 10:06am
        Josh Elliott said | June 19th 2017 @ 10:06am | ! Report

        Said they would make finals in pre-season and feeling confident at this stage. Things are coming together.

    • Roar Pro

      June 18th 2017 @ 9:24pm
      anon said | June 18th 2017 @ 9:24pm | ! Report

      Time to tap Bob Murphy on the shoulder.

      I haven’t given the Bulldogs any credit at all this season for being premiers.

      This year just like last they still a scrappy, ugly, low-scoring team. 12th for offence last year. I haven’t looked at the numbers but they’d be pretty similar this year for offence. Maybe worse.

      If it wasn’t for the umpires they wouldn’t have made the Grand Final last year, let alone win it.

      It’s always good for the game and good for spectators when ugly, scrappy teams don’t succeed. The Bulldogs style is a blight on the game.

      • June 19th 2017 @ 8:45am
        Don Freo said | June 19th 2017 @ 8:45am | ! Report

        Why wouldn’t you give them credit? They won it.

      • June 19th 2017 @ 9:16am
        I ate pies said | June 19th 2017 @ 9:16am | ! Report

        I’ve heard the umpire blaming quite a lot recently. Go back and watch those games; the dogs were outstanding and on top for the majority of those games and thoroughly deserved to win.
        The umpire blaming is a symptom of the group thinking shallow society that we live in – everyone hears it so they believe it.

        • Roar Guru

          June 19th 2017 @ 11:34am
          Paul D said | June 19th 2017 @ 11:34am | ! Report

          Shallow groupthink is all anon posts. Picks a deliberately controversial stance, throws it out to chum the waters and sits back waiting for bites

      • Editor

        June 19th 2017 @ 10:07am
        Josh Elliott said | June 19th 2017 @ 10:07am | ! Report

        Like all teams they need to tactically evolve over time, which they really haven’t this year. Reminiscent of Ken Hinkley’s third year at Port at the moment.

        • June 19th 2017 @ 11:22am
          I ate pies said | June 19th 2017 @ 11:22am | ! Report

          Bang on Josh. The dogs have been found out. Their game plan needs to change for them to have any chance – that is Beveridge’s challenge.

          • June 19th 2017 @ 2:36pm
            mattyb said | June 19th 2017 @ 2:36pm | ! Report

            These comments are correct and I’d like to see the dogs go with a more traditional set up. Let’s put Campbell in the ruck and start developing Boyd as a forward. Redpaths reserves form has been very poor but I’d overlook that and play him forward also.
            Might have to play Roughhead back this week or possibly play the super slow Collins,who’s forms improving.
            Roberts went off concussed this week so he might not be available for a recall. Whatever happens,fingers crossed Cloke comes back via the seconds. We are still a developing side and I don’t want us making the error of playing players such as Cloke. The Cloke recruitment was actually a big mistake,and I’m not overly interested in excuses like he was cheap.

            • June 19th 2017 @ 2:56pm
              Macca said | June 19th 2017 @ 2:56pm | ! Report

              “possibly play the super slow Collins” Is this the same Collins who you thought the blues should have taken instead of McKay under a scenario where they took Schache ahead of Weitering?

              Is “super slow” a quality you think the modern footballer needs?