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    The Wallabies have dropped their first game of the June International window, going down to Scotland in what could only be described as a disappointing loss.

    »Full match report
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    The 24-19 scoreline mightn’t seem all bad, but with the Wallabies unable to crack the Scottish line in the last ten minutes of the game despite holding a majority of possession, it will raise concerns with coach Michael Cheika and his staff.

    Not only that, but the defensive effort early in the game to allow the visitors to run on first half points, and then gallop back into the match during the second half despite the Wallabies taking a lead 23 minutes from time through a Will Genia try.

    With that being said, it’s worth turning an eye to the final fixture in the international window for Australia.

    What changes should the Wallabies make before they come up against Italy in a week’s time?

    For the answer to that all-important question, Roarers, we’re turning things over to you.

    Which of this week’s players have earned another go next time around, and which of them are headed back to the chalkboard?

    Who deserves to come right in, and who should be made to earn their place?

    In short – who comes in, who goes out?

    There will, we bet, be a variety of opinions on the matter, and in this week’s Roar Forum you are invited to let us know in the comments what yours is.

    For your reference, here’s the full team from the Test against Scotland:

    Wallabies team versus Scotland
    1. Tom Robertson (8 Tests)
    2. Tatafu Polota-Nau (69 Tests)
    3. Allan Alaalatoa (10 Tests)
    4. Sam Carter (14 Tests)
    5. Adam Coleman (10 Tests)
    6. Ned Hanigan (1 Test)
    7. Michael Hooper (c) (66 Tests)
    8. Scott Higginbotham (33 Tests)
    9. Will Genia (76 Tests)
    10. Bernard Foley (43 Tests)
    11. Henry Speight (12 Tests)
    12. Karmichael Hunt (1 Test)
    13. Tevita Kuridrani (46 Tests)
    14. Dane Haylett-Petty (15 Tests)
    15. Israel Folau (53 Tests)

    16. Stephen Moore (118 Tests)
    17. Scott Sio (30 Tests)
    18. Sekope Kepu (78 Tests)
    19. Rory Arnold (10 Tests)
    20. Richard Hardwick (1 Test)
    21. Joe Powell (1 Test)
    22. Quade Cooper (68 Tests)
    23. Reece Hodge (11 Tests)

    What changes do you want to see for the next Test? Let the debate begin!

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    • June 18th 2017 @ 4:10am
      MH01 said | June 18th 2017 @ 4:10am | ! Report

      Sack Nathan grey. Wallabies and waratahs defence is a joke.

      Time to stop blaming the players and look at the root of the problem, hoplesss coaches. Cheika has no ideas, he just persists with the same formula it’s like banging your head against the wall. Larkham and grey, awful.

      Our forwards are a joke, one of our best players hooper does not even play the role of a 7 and is somehow given the captaincy cause he is an enigiser bunny and puts in 150% bless him , though is clueless in tactical on filed decision making, TAKE THE ******* points when you get a penalty, This stupid arrogance of going for the tries cost us yet again….. hooper should never captain the wallabies again, and that is from a pure tactical perspective, he just does not have the capacity to thing strategically…..

      • June 18th 2017 @ 1:09pm
        Wombat said | June 18th 2017 @ 1:09pm | ! Report

        Just curious
        Who should be the coach and assistant coaches for Wallabies??

        • June 18th 2017 @ 4:17pm
          MH01 said | June 18th 2017 @ 4:17pm | ! Report

          I’d start with jake white. And he can start with teaching these players basic rugby skills . When the get the basics right, they can eventually work thier way to running rugby . I refuse to pay another cent to watch this crap.

      • June 20th 2017 @ 5:22am
        Shylock said | June 20th 2017 @ 5:22am | ! Report

        Hooper’s worth more than just a ‘Bless him’.

    • June 18th 2017 @ 4:18am
      Joe Blow said | June 18th 2017 @ 4:18am | ! Report




      • June 20th 2017 @ 5:24am
        Shylock said | June 20th 2017 @ 5:24am | ! Report

        No future in Cooper the choker

    • June 18th 2017 @ 5:44am
      Fionn said | June 18th 2017 @ 5:44am | ! Report

      Robertson, Carter and Hanigan can all go away.

      • June 18th 2017 @ 8:42am
        PiratesRugby said | June 18th 2017 @ 8:42am | ! Report

        Agreed. And Foley is second rate at best. But there’s no point trying to argue that on this site. Hooper is no leader.
        Genia had a bad game for sure but he is easily Australia’s best halfback by far.

        • June 18th 2017 @ 11:51am
          Fionn said | June 18th 2017 @ 11:51am | ! Report

          We’re in 100% agreement on the Wallabies as per usual.

          Cheika is a really nice bloke in person, but I can’t see how the Wallabies can improve without a change of coach. Is Jake White still interested? Is Dave Wessels or a Kiwi free?

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            June 18th 2017 @ 11:56am
            Timbo (L) said | June 18th 2017 @ 11:56am | ! Report

            Wssels could be free in a few weeks time, it is up to the courts……

            • June 18th 2017 @ 12:23pm
              Stuart Bywater said | June 18th 2017 @ 12:23pm | ! Report

              Spot on. Wry and dry. Honest and hilarious.

          • June 18th 2017 @ 12:45pm
            PiratesRugby said | June 18th 2017 @ 12:45pm | ! Report

            Wallabies are going nowhere under Cheika. His loyalty to NSW players is admirable but costly.

            • June 18th 2017 @ 8:53pm
              Mike said | June 18th 2017 @ 8:53pm | ! Report

              Like every other coach.

      • Roar Guru

        June 18th 2017 @ 11:55am
        Timbo (L) said | June 18th 2017 @ 11:55am | ! Report

        Man Rae, PHillip, Other Arnold, Fardy, Other Haylett Petty, Alcock.
        Don’t mind Hanigan, he is doing the job of 2 flankers which is making him look bad, I have a 20 jersey for him

      • June 19th 2017 @ 10:45am
        Link said | June 19th 2017 @ 10:45am | ! Report

        Fionn yes ^^

    • June 18th 2017 @ 6:09am
      Pie Thrower said | June 18th 2017 @ 6:09am | ! Report

      Surely questions HAVE to start being asked about Larkham and Gray in the coaching team?? Our backline doesn’t threaten. We simply don’t look dangerous with ball in hand. Our defence is also woeful. Nathan Gray doesn’t seem up to the job of coaching defence.

      • June 18th 2017 @ 9:04am
        Noodles said | June 18th 2017 @ 9:04am | ! Report

        Coaches can’t make people grow a brain. All the Scottish tries cane from errors of an under 14s variety. Passing with you back turned behind gain line: TPN. Kick charge down on your goal line: WG. Taking yourself out of drift defence with unnecessary tackle: TK and NH.
        Add on a captain who gives up key penalty kicks. A number 8 who gets lost in traffic.
        Checks has blooded a few. He needs to bring back some speed and tension up front with Arnold and Timani and RHP.
        Hunt isn’t the answer. Better to let hodge settle. Certainly a good time to try Powell. I’d also like to see more plays that use TK and our big wings

        • June 18th 2017 @ 9:21am
          Fionn said | June 18th 2017 @ 9:21am | ! Report

          Hunt played great. He and Folau were the best Wallaby backs.

          • June 18th 2017 @ 12:40pm
            The Sheriff said | June 18th 2017 @ 12:40pm | ! Report

            Mick B has not taught Tevita or Izzy how to pass yet.
            It is too late to teach Genia how to kick so tell him not to under any circumstances.
            Give Quade a go at fly half with Genia and Hunt. Have we got someone with a brain to play outside centre?
            DHP was ordinary, too.
            Can remember watching us play Scotland at the SCG in 1982( after the wonderfully patriotic Brisbane crowd had booed the Ellas at Ballymore the week before). McLean was fly half, who I thought has to be the most pedestrian we have ever had in that position. Not any more- he banged over 5 penalties and 3 conversions in the rain. We had real pace on the wings( Moon and Grigg) and a fullback who could do it all, including pass( Gould). The centres were O’Connor and Hawker- brains to burn! Oh, how we have degenerated in the last 30+ years.

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              June 18th 2017 @ 1:07pm
              Dave_S said | June 18th 2017 @ 1:07pm | ! Report

              Howdy Sherrif, I was that game too. Agree McLean was old school in not always a good way. Was with my Grandfather, who said of the booing that it made him ashamed to be a Qlder. Really stuck with me.

              • June 18th 2017 @ 1:19pm
                The Sheriff said | June 18th 2017 @ 1:19pm | ! Report

                Can’t remember seeing you Dave. I was on the Hill under a Sydney Morning herald trying to keep dry.
                I think O’Connor scored at least one try as well as Gould who would make Izzy look very ordinary.

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                June 18th 2017 @ 1:25pm
                Dave_S said | June 18th 2017 @ 1:25pm | ! Report

                I was high and dry in the stands ☺

                My sister shared a house with Gould a year or so later, apparently a very nice bloke too.

            • June 18th 2017 @ 3:11pm
              Drongo said | June 18th 2017 @ 3:11pm | ! Report

              Genia can kick very well. He just needs to get the kick executed faster. In 2011 he was one of the main kicking weapons for the Reds.

              • June 18th 2017 @ 3:19pm
                Xiedazhou said | June 18th 2017 @ 3:19pm | ! Report

                Yes. Have you ever seen how difficult it is to get to an AB halfback who is about to box kick? Its not that easy as the forwards are doing their job zealously. They are not swanning out in the backs looking for glory, they have their sleeves rolled up and doing the guts work before the glory.

              • June 19th 2017 @ 10:15am
                Bakkies said | June 19th 2017 @ 10:15am | ! Report

                His decision making when kicking is horrible. I remember a match against England at Twickenham where he kicked it straight in to a England forward’s hands two metres out from his own line.

            • June 18th 2017 @ 5:11pm
              John said | June 18th 2017 @ 5:11pm | ! Report

              Mick B, did not teach th ABs how to pass. He was there Kicking coach (called the skills coach for want of a title ). He was an AFL player, when is the last time you saw passing in AFL.

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                June 18th 2017 @ 5:24pm
                PeterK said | June 18th 2017 @ 5:24pm | ! Report

                he taught them how to pass (and catch) whilst running at full speed, and whilst under pressure from defenders rushing up.

              • June 19th 2017 @ 10:21am
                Bakkies said | June 19th 2017 @ 10:21am | ! Report

                No point in having a skills and scrum coach at test level when the players selected aren’t capable. Years ago the IRFU pulled an ad for a scrum coach for the test side as the players selected had to learn far too much and there wasn’t much coming through so they got proactive and went around the grassroots of the provinces and upskilled coaches along with recruiting players from non traditional areas. More than competent props started coming through at the professional level so the IRFU than hired Greg Feek as the scrum coach as he had players he could work with in the test side.

                Now there are far too many looseheads so Leinster are converting Andrew Porter who was in last year’s under 20s and now on tour with the senior side in to a tight head. He has been working on it at club and A level.

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          June 18th 2017 @ 12:00pm
          Timbo (L) said | June 18th 2017 @ 12:00pm | ! Report

          I re-watched the Highlights a few minute ago, the commentator blamed TPN for the try. Ginea’s pass was an appalling worm burner, the rest was poor cleanup. TPN caked a couple of lineouts but that is a different problem,

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            June 18th 2017 @ 1:09pm
            Dave_S said | June 18th 2017 @ 1:09pm | ! Report

            Timbo I haven’t looked again – did you think the D was offside?

            • June 18th 2017 @ 1:13pm
              Wombat said | June 18th 2017 @ 1:13pm | ! Report

              They were offside, no doubt mate?

            • June 18th 2017 @ 1:35pm
              Fionn said | June 18th 2017 @ 1:35pm | ! Report

              I had another look and I can’t tell. I would like to see it in slow motion.

              That being said, we can blame the ref when we deserve to win.

              We didn’t.

              It would have been a travesty if the Wallabies had won that match.

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                June 18th 2017 @ 1:51pm
                Dave_S said | June 18th 2017 @ 1:51pm | ! Report

                Fionn, agree, not looking for excuses. But as usual the D in most games is being allowed to suffocate attack, it’s really starting to annoy me.

              • June 18th 2017 @ 2:24pm
                Highlander said | June 18th 2017 @ 2:24pm | ! Report

                just freeze frame it – easily onside

              • Roar Rookie

                June 18th 2017 @ 3:32pm
                Dave_S said | June 18th 2017 @ 3:32pm | ! Report

                Just re-watched it, was ok

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              June 18th 2017 @ 1:47pm
              Timbo (L) said | June 18th 2017 @ 1:47pm | ! Report

              The D were up fast, the same way England shut us down. I wasn’t shouting at the telly so it probably wasn’t too bad.

              Ginea copped a lot of flack for his box kick.

              The Box Kick is the counter for the rush defense, but needs to be used sparingly and executed perfectly. Not much was well executed and I don’t feel the need to pile on any 1 players mistakes. The Passing was woeful, and I bet it was panic from the rushed D.
              Some long kicks for field position would have been handy, if only we had someone with a boot and a starting jersey.

              • June 18th 2017 @ 2:17pm
                Cuw said | June 18th 2017 @ 2:17pm | ! Report

                blame ur forwards for the charge down.

                they need to provide a shield for the box kick , so that on rushing opponents dont have easy passage.

                without revising the match , onlything i can assume is that ur captain is missing in the tight (maybe i am wrong).

              • June 18th 2017 @ 4:26pm
                Highlander said | June 18th 2017 @ 4:26pm | ! Report

                From a scrum cuw? how does one do that exactly without detaching

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                June 18th 2017 @ 5:26pm
                PeterK said | June 18th 2017 @ 5:26pm | ! Report

                genia should not box kick from the scrum , just really poor play.

                What is wrong with passing to DHP for a long clearance kick into touch?

              • June 18th 2017 @ 10:10pm
                Bring Back...? said | June 18th 2017 @ 10:10pm | ! Report

                It wasn’t a box kick….Higginbotham passed it to him as Genia had moved away….try. The first one charged down was an attempted box kick.

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                June 20th 2017 @ 11:12am
                Timbo (L) said | June 20th 2017 @ 11:12am | ! Report

                Kiwi halves box kick all the time and use it as a great attacking weapon.
                It comes down to execution.
                Peter, if you ban it, then the rush defense is always on and you will never get away from your own scrum.

                A good box kick is high and followed by 2 flankers a 9 a 10 and a winger.
                A bad Box kick is charged down or is low and flaccid caught by the opposition in open space giving a perfect attacking platform.

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        June 18th 2017 @ 9:53am
        PeterK said | June 18th 2017 @ 9:53am | ! Report

        I have been an ardent critic of Grey.

        However it should be recognised the defence has improved in these 2 tests compared to last year.

        Against scotland only 13 missed tackles, 88% success rate.

        With Hunt at 12 there are less moving parts in defence. It was not the defence that lost this game, unlike most matches last year.

        • June 18th 2017 @ 11:25am
          Train Without A Station said | June 18th 2017 @ 11:25am | ! Report

          Or the opponents aren’t as good…

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            June 18th 2017 @ 11:29am
            PeterK said | June 18th 2017 @ 11:29am | ! Report

            sure, BUT there are less musical chairs going on.

            When there is a turnover there is less rearranging in positions.

            When defence turns over a ball the wallabies are in a position to run and not just kick it back.

            So at the minimum the patterns are better in that regard.

            • June 18th 2017 @ 2:21pm
              Cuw said | June 18th 2017 @ 2:21pm | ! Report

              Folau at 15 does not have sense to position himself . i dont blame him – he is still learning rugger.

              guys like dagg Smith Hogg kearney 1/2penny have played 15 most of their life.

              one kick went over his head and into touch – when he was defending. i cannot say it happens to many when on defence (but yes on attack as the 15 comes up to run the ball).

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      June 18th 2017 @ 7:01am
      Rabbitz said | June 18th 2017 @ 7:01am | ! Report

      Game Plan;
      Vision; and

      All are lacking and all must be changed. How to get that done is the real issue.

      I do not believe the players or coaching staff have the rugby smarts to even see the issues, let alone change anything.

      It will be business as usual in the Wallabies camp, and a win over Italy will, again, paper over the cracks.

    • June 18th 2017 @ 7:06am
      Ruck_Me_Ragged said | June 18th 2017 @ 7:06am | ! Report

      The first change I’d like to see is the Coach. 56% win rate speaks for itself but it’s the way they’re playing the game that bothers me most. I’m currently watching the game against the Scots for the second time. The scrum and line outs by the run on team looked pretty good (particularly in the context of how embarrassing the scrum has been in years gone by – like, back as far as when Eddie Jones was trying to coach the team for his 58% win rate) but it’s general play that’s a complete shambles. It’s almost like these blokes have never met each other. Passing. Catching. Passing to players in a better position. Setting a forward platform. Protecting box kick Willy at the rucks. Basic skills are sub standard. The biggest myth in the Nation is the notion of “running rugby”. The current version of that is shovel the ball from side to side – most likely going backwards while doing so – until someone (most likely Speight) drops it. Team selections just don’t stack up either. Look at last year: picking blokes like Hooper (more on him later) / Skelton / Mumm in the same team (how have the Waratahs gone this year with similar selections? Coincidence?). Switching our best 7 to 6 to accommodate Phil Waugh … oops I mean Hooper … rather than having our best 7 at 7 and our best 6 (Fardy) at 6 and Timani at 8. How would that have been for a back row? We’ll never know. Why did it take so long to give Timani a start? Why isn’t he playing now? Higgers has never delivered at international level. I’ve watched him in the last 2 tests and I don’t even think the bloke knows where he is most of the time let alone what to do next. Coleman is the only player currently bringing any real aggression, followed by Polota-Nau. Is there anyone else in the forwards who could even be descried as being even mildly abrasive?
      The second change I’d like to see is this: Michael Hooper to be left right out. How a bloke winning as many awards as he has by being as ineffectual as he is – simply remarkable. The bloke just isn’t the No.7 the Wallabies need. He’s had a run at 7 for 2 coaches now. Link for a 50% win rate and now Cheika for not much better. Have a look at the kick off from last weeks game. Hooper caught it and rather than taking it into contact and setting it up he took it nearly to the line before shovelling it out and then Speight fumbled it over the touch line. That’s just one example and there’s many others. At least Hooper tried his hardest yesterday to stick his head in the rucks and pinch the ball – which I thought was an awesome and unexpected change for the better – but he just doesn’t have the strength and balance of (the legendary) George Smith or (the nearly as legendary) David Pocock. It’s just not in his bag. By comparison I noticed Hardwick come on last week and almost straight away he’d won a clean turnover – a bit like Liam Gill did against the Lions in 2013. Gill could never get a start. Will Hardwick suffer the same fate? Looking like another long, tough year for the Wallabies and their supporters.

      • June 18th 2017 @ 8:25am
        The Electronic Swagman said | June 18th 2017 @ 8:25am | ! Report

        I agree totally Ruck. I watch the All Blacks and despite the size and ferocity of Ardie Savea, who plays far tighter than Hooper, they start with Cane or Todd. Why, because they understand rugby. They understand that to play their incredible ensemble game you need forwards able to play THROUGH the ruck not on its borders.

        Can you imagine the All Blacks with someone the size of Hooper as captain. All the stats in the world don’t cover for Hoopers lack of physical impact at the breakdown.

        It’s physics. He would have been a wonderful scrum half or winger in the darting style of Paul Carozza. But No 7 where the international loose forward has become a huge fast powerhouse able to run thru and around the centre. Stupid.

        It is symptomatic of the lack of rugby smarts in Australia that his barrow keeps getting pushed. Everyone talks about his courage and how he plays above his weight. I agree, but that’s not the point. Every test player plays above his weight, they are courageous elite athletes, but when you have another 20 k’s that makes a lot of difference.

        For the first time in my life I haven’t watched the Wallabies. I just can’t stand the rabble and despite being a past Waratahs supporter and initial supporter of Cheka, I think he a terrible test coach and a bogan. Frankly, I don’t want my national Rugby team coached by an unshaven bogan who talks and acts like a teenager, led by a hair-flicking ballboy.

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          June 18th 2017 @ 10:22am
          taylorman said | June 18th 2017 @ 10:22am | ! Report

          Yes agree and thats particularly what you need against the northern sides. Our teams have struggled to play the fringe, open stuff.

          Youve gotta meet them up front first. Take the starting energy out of them unless your blessed with such skill that you can run around them anyway. Oz have none of that presently so theyve gotta front up first, put the trickery away and fight.

          ABs have some of it but even they wont dismiss the need to meet the Lions head on, all day if they have to.

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          June 18th 2017 @ 12:22pm
          Timbo (L) said | June 18th 2017 @ 12:22pm | ! Report

          “Hair Flicking Ballboy” 😉

          I am going to steal (Pilfer) this line and use it later.
          It is going straight to the pool room along side Chook’s Sky Blue Monocle.

        • June 18th 2017 @ 3:16pm
          Drongo said | June 18th 2017 @ 3:16pm | ! Report

          There is no need to use personal insults for our coach and captain. Hooper plays his heart out every match. You can disagree with their tactics and criticise their ability. But your insults are totally unnecessary and say more about you then them.

          • June 18th 2017 @ 7:30pm
            The Electronic Swagman said | June 18th 2017 @ 7:30pm | ! Report

            No Drongo, I’ll say what I want. Chieka is a bogan and Hooper is a midget. Now if he was playing in his correct position somewhere in the backs he wouldn’t be a midget. Its as a footballer not as a person that he’s a midget. Mind you, he still be a hair flicking millennial whether he was a midget or not.

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        June 18th 2017 @ 12:18pm
        Timbo (L) said | June 18th 2017 @ 12:18pm | ! Report

        Saw the same thing with Hoops. It felt like someone has had a word in his ear: “You need to do more in the Ruck and Maul or your spot is up for grabs” But Ruck and Maul takes more than just attendance. It takes skill, technique and strength. Alcock is My #1 choice and he doesn’t even get an invite to training. Maybe George can Jackal Hooper’s Spot from under him while pretending to coach..
        While I am ranting. Hoops made a 50ish meter run from a maul into empty space, which is a fantastic bit of play. If only it wasn’t followed by a 60m penalty. a net loss of 10m and an attacking platform for Scotland. But a stat for +50 will go on his tally and Roarers will use the number to justify his inclusion. A simple kick could have either scored a try or made touch, cashing in the gain.
        He was cleaned out of a ruck with little or no effort that was followed by a turnover penalty.
        In the last few minutes he went into contact and got turned over.
        I counted 4 penalties he was directly responsible for.
        “Not my 7, Not my Captain”

        Gill, Pocock, Alcock Hardwick, Smith (for age only, he is top 3 for skill)

        • June 18th 2017 @ 12:28pm
          The Electronic Swagman said | June 18th 2017 @ 12:28pm | ! Report

          Yes Timbo. I agree entirely. If there was ever an instance where statistics lie it is with Hooper. Yes he is busy but so is a bee. The breaks he makes are what a winger or a fullback could be making, or a No 12 who runs beautiful lines like Crotty. We sacrifice so much for him to do what others should do, while he doesn’t do what a No 7 should do.

          There seems to be no reality basis for Cheikas decisions. When I still watched the Waratahs I could see Hooper was a terrible captain, he actualy physically walks away from his team and talks in corporate business speak after matches.

          I am enjoying the incredible rennaisance in rugby with NZ, Ireland, England and Scotland and others developng their strategies. I think SA are on track to a new way of playing Springbok rugby. Meanwhile, back at the ranch, a pint-sized leads our country and the bogan coach is ranting this morning about “attitude” and playing the ‘Australian way’.

      • June 18th 2017 @ 12:51pm
        Jellybelly said | June 18th 2017 @ 12:51pm | ! Report

        Spot on. I’ve said it many times. Hooper has a heart as big as Phar Lap and is Mister Perpetual Motion but there is no place for him in the Wallabies! Oh, and I’m a Tahs supporter.

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          June 18th 2017 @ 1:03pm
          Timbo (L) said | June 18th 2017 @ 1:03pm | ! Report

          I dispute the claim of a big heart. He does an awful lot of resting off camera. Fardy, Ned and all the other flankers and 8’s go ruck to ruck, first back to their feet, first on the scene tackle after a tackle. Hoops doesn’t do this. He does “One an Done – Must rest now, see you again in 5 minutes when the cameras are back”.
          A paper tiger.

          • June 18th 2017 @ 3:40pm
            Neil said | June 18th 2017 @ 3:40pm | ! Report

            Timbo, for a supposed ‘Guru’ you would have to be the most ignorant, biased poster on this forum. Not even worth arguing with someone like you.

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              June 18th 2017 @ 7:44pm
              eagleJack said | June 18th 2017 @ 7:44pm | ! Report

              Some, like Timbo, are just new to analysing rugby. A little simple perhaps. But I guess you have to happy that they are trying.

            • June 19th 2017 @ 11:08am
              Marto said | June 19th 2017 @ 11:08am | ! Report

              UH Oh here comes Neil Hooper with his laughing boy Jackeagle as back up…

              ” Hooper is the best 7 in the world ”

              jackEagle @ Stick ta Rugby Loig mate, you have no idea about Rugger.

              Guru ?? Pffffft

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                June 19th 2017 @ 11:40am
                eagleJack said | June 19th 2017 @ 11:40am | ! Report

                Oh Marto such a simpleton. I don’t blame you though. Were your parents too poor to get you educated? Drugs an issue?

              • June 19th 2017 @ 3:13pm
                Marto said | June 19th 2017 @ 3:13pm | ! Report

                There There rainy face. Its Ok…I won`t pick on you anymore.You`re a big boy now. Suck it up and you’ll be fine! P.S Have you checked the meaning of your surname, EagleJack? Go on, let your 3 thumbs do the typing ,and stick your tongue out.

            • June 20th 2017 @ 5:44am
              Shylock said | June 20th 2017 @ 5:44am | ! Report

              Neil, these keyboard warriors are bitching for a fight.
              I’ve told ‘gurus’ where they can put their opinions and I was blocked from posting for a year.
              One guru before the RWC said that he is Australian but he would be saddened to see the Wallabies win because it doesn’t reflect the state of world rugby.
              An Australian posted that !! …. only on The Roar.

          • Roar Guru

            June 20th 2017 @ 11:32am
            Timbo (L) said | June 20th 2017 @ 11:32am | ! Report

            Been playing the game since I was 6 and watch every Aussie super rugby game start to finish. I know what good football looks like, I know what a #7 and a #15 does for all 80 minutes. I played the position Last week and spent a lot of my time protecting rucks and wear headgear because it is messy work.
            How about you guys?
            I issue you a challenge each.
            Write an article about the role of a Fullback and the Role of an open side flanker.
            Describe what they should be doing in the various phases of the game, both attack and defense.
            Look at open sides across the world, add Scotland to the list.
            Are there any Australian players like that. Do the Wallaby selections reflect that need.

            How many ruck penalties was Hoops responsible for on Saturday. I counted 4.

            New to analysis my A$$.
            Try watching more than just the highlights packages and stop listing to the Fox Commentary. I watched the game on both FTA and a Fox replay. The 10 Commentators spoke of how Hooper isn’t very good over the ball. The Fox commentators: “HOOPER” every time he touched the ball or went near it. Said nothing when he caked it in the dying minutes. Here is where the Bias starts

            The Bias and Ignorance is yours good sirs. Do some homework and then come back to me with a cogent argument instead of name calling.

            There is a lot more to rugby than finishing off tries.

            And for the Record, I didn’t give myself the Guru title.
            That was given to me by the Roar. I am guessing it came from writing well thought out or entertaining articles and providing insight, opinion and education. Have you written anything lately?

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