Australia lose to Scotland in U20’s, finish sixth at Rugby World Championship

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    Australia have finished sixth at the under-20s rugby world championships after losing their final match to Scotland in Georgia.

    A day after the Wallabies were upset by Scotland in Sydney, the Scots made it two-from-two for the weekend by winning the fifth-place play-off 24-17 at Avchala Stadium in Tbilisi on Sunday.

    Australia led 10-3 at halftime thanks to a converted try and penalty by halfback Harrison Goddard, who crossed in the 24th minute on the back of a strong run by Queensland Reds flyer Izaia Perese.

    Scotland levelled scores soon after the break when Australian winger Semisi Tupou dropped an intercept, allowing Blair Kinghorn to break away before offloading to Robbie Nairn for the try.

    The Scots dominated territory for much of the second half and reserve halfback Charlie Shiel stretched over for a five-pointer after 56 minutes.

    Melbourne Rebels player Goddard hit back with his second converted try two minutes later with a 50-metre run after collecting the crumbs of a bomb to level the scores at 17-all.

    But Shiel sealed the Scotland win by slicing through the defence off the back of a scrum 10m out from the Austalian try-line in the final minute.

    Earlier in the tournament, Australia had beaten Wales and Samoa in the pool stage before losing to England.

    They beat Italy 42-19 in the fifth-place semi-final.

    New Zealand won the title after thumping England 64-17 in the final, while South Africa beat France 37-15 in the third-place match.

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    • June 19th 2017 @ 10:03am
      Ian said | June 19th 2017 @ 10:03am | ! Report

      This might be more important than the Wallabies loss as it actually confirms just how bad Australian rugby is at present and will be into the immediate future.
      There is nothing in the pipeline to look forward to.

      The problems are deep-rooted and revolve around the ARU, NSW & Queensland Boards being still half-stuck in the amateur era.

      Look at who is on these Boards and ask, Why? They are full of political favours and politically correct, tokenistic appointments, not people who actually know how to run and administer a competitive, modern game.

      The Waratahs and The Reds are the biggest problems in Aussie rugby…..they are total underperformers despite all of their comparative advantages.

      Time for a complete clean-out of all three of those Boards and start all over again but use logic, not politics when re-building.

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        June 19th 2017 @ 10:28am
        Train Without A Station said | June 19th 2017 @ 10:28am | ! Report



        • June 19th 2017 @ 10:45am
          Sydneysider said | June 19th 2017 @ 10:45am | ! Report

          Still ranked in the top 10 at both senior and junior level, got to be happy with that TWAS.

          Any other sport and most people would be content.

          • Roar Guru

            June 19th 2017 @ 10:56am
            Train Without A Station said | June 19th 2017 @ 10:56am | ! Report

            Well in 2016 we finished 6th but lost 2 pool games. This year it was 6th but won 2.

            Actually a slightly improved result.

            In 2015 we finished 5th by winning 2 pool games, but were fortunate that we had both Italy and Samoa in our pool. Likewise in 2014.

            In 2013 we finished 7th after losing 2 pool games. In 2012 we finished 8th after losing 2 pool games.

            Previously the pool games we lost against top teams we were whalloped. This year our only pool loss was a 20-19 loss to defending champions England.

            I wouldn’t get carried away, but with the loss to Scotland of 5 points being are worst loss of the entire tournament where we also faced 2nd place, Cron may have the team moving in the right direction.

            Also hard to use this as justification for his point given the coach Cron was appointed on the back of very good results with a Shute Shield team.

            • June 20th 2017 @ 6:44am
              Ryan said | June 20th 2017 @ 6:44am | ! Report

              The same defending champions that went on to lose by the biggest margin ever posted at an U20s World Cup Final?

      • June 19th 2017 @ 2:03pm
        Red Block said | June 19th 2017 @ 2:03pm | ! Report

        Ian, i’m not to sure how much of the tournament you watched but the u20s were outstanding and, with calmer heads, should/would have beaten England and then on to a top 4 finish.

        To me the u20s looked very tired in the Scotland game and therefore made a lot of uncharacteristic handling errors (I think 19 in total). Also the referee had a big hand in this game by penalising the Oz scrum even though they were clearly dominant, to the point where the front row were afraid to contest. Also the TMO did them no favours.

        There were plenty of positives:
        – not a box kick in sight, kick usually went long and out with a good chase to counter any quick throws;
        – genuine speed on the outside where 11, 13, 14 and 15 were very dangerous;
        – a 7 who actually played on the ball and effected multiple turnovers;
        – a well coached side that knew what to do in each situation (please get Simon Cron into the WBs set up);

        My biggest concern is now what happens to these kids when they get into the so-called ‘High Performance Unit’, from past history they tend to go backwards.

        • Roar Pro

          June 19th 2017 @ 2:07pm
          Matt Davis said | June 19th 2017 @ 2:07pm | ! Report

          I didn’t watch the whole game, but boy that was some pretty blatant holding of Scott-Young to create the gap for the half-back there for the last try. Not sure at all how the ref could consider them holding each other.

          • June 19th 2017 @ 6:21pm
            Jacko said | June 19th 2017 @ 6:21pm | ! Report

            The problem was Matt that it was Scott-Young who initiated the contact. That is the reason the Ref decided the interference was OK. The Ref and TMO both agreed on this point

    • June 19th 2017 @ 10:22am
      Jumbo said | June 19th 2017 @ 10:22am | ! Report

      Well done baby blacks.

      • June 19th 2017 @ 11:13am
        puff said | June 19th 2017 @ 11:13am | ! Report

        The U20 had all the hall marks of how dominant some nations are becoming even at this very early age. To be fair, felt the B blacks / Eng were a tantalizing match up until the game commenced. We played well within our peer group but were never going to be invited to the top table. This is a reflection of the sport generally throughout the nation and as reiterated before the major issue is: may I keep banging the drum, investment in our youth. The standard displayed by the Wallabies at Avchala Stadium was not even NZ college level, therefore we have much to ponder, address and change.

        • Roar Guru

          June 19th 2017 @ 11:39am
          Train Without A Station said | June 19th 2017 @ 11:39am | ! Report

          Yet we only lost to England by 1 point.

          Hardly a huge gulf.

          • June 19th 2017 @ 6:25pm
            Jacko said | June 19th 2017 @ 6:25pm | ! Report

            I agree TWAS. I watched a lot of this tournament and I have been impressed with the Aus side and impressed overall with the standard on display. Even teams like Samoa, who have very little in the way of resourses played good rugby and Georgia, altho finishing 10th, played great rugby in the comp.

          • June 19th 2017 @ 6:48pm
            Cuw said | June 19th 2017 @ 6:48pm | ! Report

            England coach rotated his squad like Crusaders , but in doing so lost the cohesion. They were no doubt lucky to get into the finals after beating saffa team by 2.

            i think the baby boks would have been a better opponent for the baby blacks. or just maybe the semi took most of the energy off the baby roses, they came empty to the final…

            the aussy team relied on few guys to make the plays – center Peresi (?) , wing Hutchinson (?) , hooker Ulesi (?) fly half Nucifora (?) , a few nams that cropped up time and agan….

            the NZ team after a long time came with a lot of pace and power in = terms. i think they had a few guys who played last year as well . jacobson i can remember for sure was there last year with his bro. and to think they left Reiko and Jordie for test duty….

          • June 19th 2017 @ 9:31pm
            Colin N said | June 19th 2017 @ 9:31pm | ! Report

            This was Australia’s best group of under-20s for a while. Had a great front-row, outstanding openside and no. 8 and some dangerous runners in the backs.

            However, the England side that Australia faced were missing a number of first choice players with the Argentina tour depriving them of four certain starters.

            Injuries also forced a significant reshuffle in the backline and that was shown in England’s performances.

          • June 20th 2017 @ 6:48am
            Ryan said | June 20th 2017 @ 6:48am | ! Report

            Might be a small gap between Aus and England but the gap in class between New Zealand and the rest is huge.
            10 tries to 3 in a final WOW.

            • June 20th 2017 @ 7:20am
              Colin N said | June 20th 2017 @ 7:20am | ! Report

              England were missing 14 players for that final.

              If England had their best available team out there, they probably would have been favourites.

              • June 20th 2017 @ 7:38am
                richard said | June 20th 2017 @ 7:38am | ! Report

                You are aware NZ were missing a number of key players,incl. the likes of Reiko Ioane and Jordie Barrett.Read somewhere NZ were missing up to 9 front line players.

                So,it was swings and roundabouts,mate.

              • June 20th 2017 @ 1:03pm
                Jumbo said | June 20th 2017 @ 1:03pm | ! Report

                And they were captained by a kiwi, becoming a trend up there.

              • June 20th 2017 @ 7:13pm
                Colin N said | June 20th 2017 @ 7:13pm | ! Report

                Jumbo, you mean Leeds-born Zach Mercer?

                “Read somewhere NZ were missing up to 9 front line players.”

                Find me the link which says that and then I’ll believe you. By my count, it was four or five so not exactly comparable to England.

              • Roar Guru

                June 21st 2017 @ 3:56am
                taylorman said | June 21st 2017 @ 3:56am | ! Report

                Well people do make their choices. They were available, they just chose not to play.

            • Roar Guru

              June 20th 2017 @ 7:36am
              Train Without A Station said | June 20th 2017 @ 7:36am | ! Report

              Yet where did they finish last year?


              In 2014 they were 3rd.

              It’s not like it’s complete dominance every year.

              This year they did put on a masterclass though.

          • June 20th 2017 @ 2:12pm
            Bill said | June 20th 2017 @ 2:12pm | ! Report

            what you mean the same England team that was missing 1/2 its team because they were in argentina winning the series 2-0

      • June 19th 2017 @ 11:42am
        Gonzo said | June 19th 2017 @ 11:42am | ! Report

        That NZ hooker is a star in the making. Leave it to the Kiwis to reinvent how a hooker can influence a game. He had speed to burn and the skills of a centre in the open field whilst hitting all of his targets in the lineout.

        • Roar Guru

          June 19th 2017 @ 11:46am
          Train Without A Station said | June 19th 2017 @ 11:46am | ! Report

          Yeah but their fans don’t bag them for not doing what their supposed job is.

          • Roar Rookie

            June 19th 2017 @ 1:12pm
            Shane D said | June 19th 2017 @ 1:12pm | ! Report

            Aumua performed his core roles well & his play around the field was a bonus on top of that. Not too many complaints to be had about him not doing the Hookers job.

          • June 19th 2017 @ 1:24pm
            taylorman said | June 19th 2017 @ 1:24pm | ! Report

            That’s because we have different job descriptions for our positions. The tight five require a certain level of mobility, regardless of how good they are at their supposed ‘core role’.

          • June 19th 2017 @ 6:06pm
            puff said | June 19th 2017 @ 6:06pm | ! Report

            TWAS, pool games are normally smoke & mirrors as teams try to save the best to last and struggle with the balancing act. But watching the finals gather momentum, at first it looked like NZ /SA but the final was very much one way traffic, which surprised me. I have attended college rugby many times in NZ while visiting and their standard is very skillful. Like you I desire positive change but first we need to acknowledge we have issues.

            • Roar Guru

              June 20th 2017 @ 7:36am
              Train Without A Station said | June 20th 2017 @ 7:36am | ! Report

              That may be the case.

              But they were also smoke & mirrors when we lost them in the past.

        • June 19th 2017 @ 1:51pm
          Cuw said | June 19th 2017 @ 1:51pm | ! Report

          got to wait and see if this lot can be as good as the class of 2011 , the best ever U20 team.

          i would think 2nd rower Walker-Leawere will be first off the blocks – despite some others shining.

          Maybe Blues shud try to get Tiaan Falcon , coz their guy Perofeta was not that great either in play or at kicking for posts πŸ™‚

          • Roar Rookie

            June 19th 2017 @ 3:17pm
            Shane D said | June 19th 2017 @ 3:17pm | ! Report

            Perofeta went ok for a bloke who flew from NZ to Georgia 3 days prior & had 2 light training sessions with the team!

            • June 19th 2017 @ 3:45pm
              Cuw said | June 19th 2017 @ 3:45pm | ! Report

              he shud have gone in the first place – or maybe he wanted to play Lions?

              • Roar Rookie

                June 19th 2017 @ 5:14pm
                Shane D said | June 19th 2017 @ 5:14pm | ! Report

                The Blues had first call on him cuw (the Super teams have to release players for u20 duty) & with Francis being selected for England they needed him.
                He went over as an injury replacement after Falcon failed his concussion tests.

              • June 19th 2017 @ 5:31pm
                Cuw said | June 19th 2017 @ 5:31pm | ! Report

                yeah and BLUES have a history of doing that .

                IF i remember correct like in 2013 or 2014 , they did same with Simon Hickey and he was supposed to be captain.

                now where is he???

                i can understand why J Barrett did not go . Perofeta would have been better off with some game time , after being injured most season and then not even coming off the bench in one match ( again as i remember).

                I just dont understand the Blues player management decisions. Naholo Fekitoa Luatua …..

          • June 19th 2017 @ 4:16pm
            Taniwha said | June 19th 2017 @ 4:16pm | ! Report

            Cuw that’s a bit harsh on Perofeta. He only arrived four days before the final and hadn’t trained with the side. I didn’t think he had that bad a game.

            The player that impressed me most over the tournment was the kiwi centre Baydon Ennor, this kid has a bright future.

            I thought you guys were unlucky, should of beaten the Poms and were your own worst enemy against the Scots. I was shocked they awarded their last try as was definite interference.

            Overall a good tournment, I thought there wasn’t much difference between 2 and 6 but the kiwis were in another league. Georgia also had a good tournment.

            • June 19th 2017 @ 6:33pm
              Cuw said | June 19th 2017 @ 6:33pm | ! Report

              Dude, with all due respect.

              Perofeta is a guy with a super rugger contract , a guy who played against BILs ffs!!!

              some one like that IMO shud be tearing up the park . ok maybe he was jet lagged and all that but still.

              J Barrett is in the NZ team becoz people noticed how he played at U20 last year. I just cannot recall perofeta playing like that , for all this fuss around him (especially in the Blues camp).

              as i said above , he shud have gone there and played some rugger with his age group. he would have learnt something and would have done his confidence also good.

              BLUES shud have kept Gatland and let Perofeta play the tournament. instead he sat on the bench in couple of super matches ( if my memory is right) , played awfully in that Lions match and then played awfully in the final of U20.

              just like Simon Hickey….

              • Roar Guru

                June 21st 2017 @ 3:59am
                taylorman said | June 21st 2017 @ 3:59am | ! Report

                J Barrett is there because he continued that firm into the Super tournament. Had he not played consistently there he wouldn’t have made the squad on the 20s alone.

            • June 20th 2017 @ 7:17am
              moaman said | June 20th 2017 @ 7:17am | ! Report

              I agree about Perofeta being released by the Blues…but don’t think he played at all badly in the Final.
              But Falcon was excellent in all the games I saw and desperately unlucky that concussion ruled him out of a Final appearance.He would have been picked to start anyway.

              • June 20th 2017 @ 2:49pm
                Cuw said | June 20th 2017 @ 2:49pm | ! Report

                did u see the try he effed up around 10th minute???

                break the defence , three guys on his left with just the line in front. what did he do , went solo to this right where there was 2 defenders running back and promptly knocked on upon tackle.

                had he played for NZ test team, that will be a two year hiatus ( remember what happened to TJP after a silly kick in play ?)

                and why was he defending on the wing ( a-la Quade Cooper ) for the 3rd try??

                the bigger question for me is , why did they not play the backup fly half? Tamati Tua had been with the team and subbed Falcon in a couple of games.

                one could argue it was asking too much of Perofeta to fly in and slot in at short notice.

                also if u watch the match closely , u will notice he was not the main playmaker. most of it was done by Enari or full back Jordan. he just kicked the ball and missed like 5 kicks at the posts.

        • Roar Rookie

          June 19th 2017 @ 5:19pm
          piru said | June 19th 2017 @ 5:19pm | ! Report

          We had a bloke called Nathan Charles who had that kind of skill set

          He now plays for Bath – go ARU

          • June 19th 2017 @ 5:58pm
            Cuw said | June 19th 2017 @ 5:58pm | ! Report

            but is he quick? i just cant remember him running around in Aviva like Brits does for Sarries πŸ™‚

        • Roar Rookie

          June 19th 2017 @ 6:23pm
          Kirky said | June 19th 2017 @ 6:23pm | ! Report

          All those Baby Blacks would have had a rugby ball in their hands the first day ever at School!

          • June 20th 2017 @ 7:16am
            moaman said | June 20th 2017 @ 7:16am | ! Report

            Kirky…you are wrong…it would have been in the womb! πŸ˜‰

    • June 19th 2017 @ 9:08pm
      Kelefua said | June 19th 2017 @ 9:08pm | ! Report

      Australia played well in the leadup with some attractive footy especially against Italy. Beating Wales & Samoa was no easy feat. Scotland pack just kep rolling & credit to them for taking their chances.

      Did any of the Roar editors watch the final? No writeup from AAP? Oh well it was a try-fester to say the least with Baby Blacks the main contributors. English lads can hold their heads high theres no shame in losing to the young kiwi beasts on show. For mine the packs looked pretty even in the scheme of things but farout those BBs were just too-meke in broken play.

      Captain, fullback etc all look ready for Super now. Hooker Aumua was the standout. A try scoring machine & not too shabby in the rough stuff too. Definitely one to watch in future as are all of them including the English lads.

      • Roar Rookie

        June 20th 2017 @ 8:08am
        Peter Robinson said | June 20th 2017 @ 8:08am | ! Report

        Actually, I thought the Baby Black pack destroyed England. They completely dominated the scrums, made huge meters all game with ball in hand, scored nine of the ten tries and their clean-outs at ruck-time were simply exemplary. England had a big pack but apart from the try scored by the flanker, they went nowhere all day.

        • June 20th 2017 @ 7:31pm
          Colin N said | June 20th 2017 @ 7:31pm | ! Report

          “Actually, I thought the Baby Black pack destroyed England.”

          They did and it wasn’t until the New Zealand replacement props came on did England get some dominance in the scrum.

          “England had a big pack but apart from the try scored by the flanker, they went nowhere all day.”

          I would love to see the weight comparisons because, if you consider that England pack as big, then how would you describe the New Zealanders!? Also, most of that England pack were in their first year of U20 rugby. In fact, only six of the 23 will not be eligible next season.

    • June 20th 2017 @ 12:47pm
      Ron49 said | June 20th 2017 @ 12:47pm | ! Report

      Comment on England having 14 top players missing from the final. In the Six Nations U20 tournament, England beat Ireland by 4 points. In the World Championships just held, New Zealand score 60 points plus against England, Ireland and Italy. Destroys any excuses for England’s huge loss. Maybe your missing 14 included players not up to standard?

      • June 20th 2017 @ 7:26pm
        Colin N said | June 20th 2017 @ 7:26pm | ! Report


        Context mate. Ireland also have a load of players missing for this tournament, they made a number of changes for the New Zealand game and, in that Six Nations encounter, the conditions were atrocious.

        If you’re going by the comparing apples and oranges argument, England beat France 59-17 in the Six Nations and New Zealand only beat the same team by 13 points in the semi-finals. But, you know, that’s as irrelevant as your argument.

        • June 20th 2017 @ 9:44pm
          Ron49 said | June 20th 2017 @ 9:44pm | ! Report

          New Zealand up by 36 -0 in the 44th minute in the semi-final against France before shifting emphasis to the final. More impressive, I would believe, than your Six Nations scoreline between England and France. Also, note NZ had two players on All Black duties.

          • June 21st 2017 @ 3:22am
            Colin N said | June 21st 2017 @ 3:22am | ! Report

            Not really, England were 31-3 up at half-time. And for that match England were still without Evans, Shillcock, Brophy-Clews and Morris.

            Anyway, I’m not sure why you’re trying to point score, all I’m saying is that England’s absentees deprived us of what could have been a great game, comparable to 2011’s encounter which saw a number of future England and All Black internationals go head-to-head.

            It is testament to both New Zealand’s and England’s systems that some of the current age-grade group are already internationals with Tom Curry (who was 18 when he made his debut), Isiekwe and Maunder appearing against Argentina, and Rieko Ioane and Jordie Barrett getting capped by the All Blacks. It’s just that England were significantly more affected.

            • Roar Guru

              June 21st 2017 @ 8:42am
              Train Without A Station said | June 21st 2017 @ 8:42am | ! Report

              Interestingly I play with Morris’ brother.

              We were quite amazed to learn he was essentially the “dud” of the family given he’s scored 3 hatricks and had one 4 try bag from 5 games this season.

              • June 21st 2017 @ 7:12pm
                Colin N said | June 21st 2017 @ 7:12pm | ! Report

                That’s interesting, which one?

                I was very impressed with him against Samoa and I felt England missed his extra weight and speed, particularly in defence. It was a backline which was quite small anyway and Morris isn’t huge, but he was their best call-carrier and he also defended that channel well.

                With Max Wright also going down, it meant they shifted Will Butler to 13 and, while he looks an excellent prospect, he struggled in that position.

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