TELL US: What are the positive signs for the Wallabies?

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    It’s been a brutal few weeks for the Wallabies.

    A crushing loss against Scotland and a profoundly unconvincing win against Italy has seen plenty of hand-wringing, finger-pointing and blame shifting.

    But do these dark clouds over Australian rugby have some silver linings?

    The Wallabies attack showed fleeting glimpses of brilliance and the blooding of some new players like Karmichael Hunt has given some cause for optimism.

    So tell us: what are the positive signs for the Wallabies? Amidst all the gloom and doom are there glimmers of hope for the future?

    Get your responses in the comments and we’ll try and get to as many as we can on this week’s Roar Live.

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    • June 28th 2017 @ 2:45pm
      MH01 said | June 28th 2017 @ 2:45pm | ! Report

      The lions tour of New Zealand. Cause as a rugby fan you have some great rugby coming up which means you can still enjoy the game you love. After watching the Italy match, I would have been very disappointed about the state of rugby, had I not watched a great game after it. I can still get my rugby fix, just that I don’t enjoy watching the wallabies right now.

      Until wallabies get a game plan, there is very little positives. The ball in hand …..fumbling rugby is not enjoyable. NZ a team actually capable of delivering such a game plan, are not arrogant enough to run the ball from their own half.

      I really have no faith in our attack, defence and head coach. Seems the assistant coaches both great attackers and defenders cannot coach, and the head coach has no tactics / strategy, which translates to what we see on the field. We do have the cattle, though they are not being coached, they are just being motivated…..

      • June 28th 2017 @ 3:11pm
        Rebellion said | June 28th 2017 @ 3:11pm | ! Report

        Agree with the Lions Tour – it is refreshing to see test rugby played like that again.
        Other positives include the fact that everyday we awake – we are a little bit closer to the end of Chieka’s Wallatah reign and handing Hooper a gold watch with engraved:
        “Thanks for nullifying the Wallabies effectiveness at the breakdown for the last 12 years or so”. If there’s one thing the 90’s and early 2000’s taught us – it was you don’t need the most powerful forwards (which we’ve never had) on the field if you can dictate terms at the ruck and play up tempo.

      • Roar Guru

        June 28th 2017 @ 3:14pm
        Mark Richmond said | June 28th 2017 @ 3:14pm | ! Report

        Precisely MH. I commented to some of my rugby buddies after Saturday, that it was like watching the A League, and then watching an EPL or Serie A game.

      • June 28th 2017 @ 3:17pm
        Tony H said | June 28th 2017 @ 3:17pm | ! Report

        This is all, absolutely spot on. Well said.

      • June 29th 2017 @ 9:48am
        Mike said | June 29th 2017 @ 9:48am | ! Report

        I have to disagree on one point: They clearly have a game plan.

        Whether it is the most appropriate, whether it is flexible and whether they are executing it anywhere near the level required, however….

    • June 28th 2017 @ 2:49pm
      KiwiHaydn said | June 28th 2017 @ 2:49pm | ! Report

      Their jerseys are a pretty yellow colour. Like sunshine and daffodils.

      • Editor

        June 28th 2017 @ 3:02pm
        Riordan Lee said | June 28th 2017 @ 3:02pm | ! Report

        This is a true fact.

        • June 28th 2017 @ 3:03pm
          KiwiHaydn said | June 28th 2017 @ 3:03pm | ! Report

          They’ve also got perennial MOTM Phipps to come back.

        • June 29th 2017 @ 6:54am
          Uncle Eric said | June 29th 2017 @ 6:54am | ! Report

          Theoretically all ‘facts’ are true.

      • June 29th 2017 @ 10:05pm
        Wardad said | June 29th 2017 @ 10:05pm | ! Report

        Van Gogh would paint a pretty picture of the Walabies given all that…

    • Roar Rookie

      June 28th 2017 @ 2:56pm
      piru said | June 28th 2017 @ 2:56pm | ! Report

      They did beat Italy I guess.

      Karmichael Hunt is a positive, his passing, particularly at pace is far more precise than many more experienced Wallabies (Foley I’m looking at you).

      The second row of Coleman and Arnold looks like a good foundation for a scrum overhaul – get that front row sorted, stop picking Tahs ‘just cos’ and have a look through the other franchises – the players are there.

      • June 28th 2017 @ 3:37pm
        Daveski said | June 28th 2017 @ 3:37pm | ! Report

        Of the 69 caps across the 3 Tests ( 66 if you take off Will Genia ), the breakdown was as follows Piru:

        Tahs 19
        Reds 12
        Rebels 7
        Force 11
        Brumbies 17

        So perhaps a little over-stated towards the Tahs BUT then the Reds have been very poor last few years and would have had 3 more caps for Kerevi ( at the expense of Horne maybe Kuridrani ). Rebels often have as many as 4-5 non-eligible players in their match day squad ( Mafi, Retallick, JGB, Volavola, Day ) and Force have Grant, Ruru, Naisarani, Brache, Lewis Carmichael and I don’t know about Stander and Wan Wyk. So it’s a bit hard for you to get too much more representation out West just yet.

        Personally Ross Haylett-Petty should feel he is very close to Ned Hanigan, and if Louweens hadn’t gotten injured he might have taken Powell’s spot ( or Gordon’s squad spot ) and Bill Meakes I hope gets looked at a Tah doesnt have his spot anyway.

        I cant see where you might have too much else cause for complaint. And if you did it should be Newsome for Nabuli.

        I mean at the end of the day is Dempsey any more undeserving of that 3rd test spot than Hardwick. I;m a big fan of both and I know Dempsey has been injured but he was on the EOYT last year, had a very good 2016 and looked great at the start of this season, Hardwick hasn’t even nailed down a Force starting spot yet.

        • Roar Pro

          June 28th 2017 @ 4:09pm
          Crazy Horse said | June 28th 2017 @ 4:09pm | ! Report

          A bit hard when you play 7 and 8 behind Hodgson and McCalman. Now Hodgo is retiring we’ll be seeing a lot more if Hardwick.

          • Roar Guru

            June 28th 2017 @ 9:31pm
            Train Without A Station said | June 28th 2017 @ 9:31pm | ! Report

            And Hodgson is a 36 year old who has 11 caps for the Wallabies since 2010.

            If you can’t overtake him for a starting spot full time, you probably aren’t ready for the Wallabies just yet.

            • June 28th 2017 @ 10:08pm
              Gepetto said | June 28th 2017 @ 10:08pm | ! Report

              There is no logic behind the non-selection of Hodgson for more tests One positive is that George Smith is apparently leading the Super Rugby tackle count and may be available to play for Australia if Coach Clown perceives a need for a turnover making, ball playing, tackling machine.

              • Roar Guru

                June 29th 2017 @ 7:55am
                Train Without A Station said | June 29th 2017 @ 7:55am | ! Report

                Yeah there is.

                He was a somewhat limited player similar to Phil Waugh.

                If Cheika perceived a need for a turnover making, tackling machine than surely Hooper with considerably more turnovers, and 2 less tackles would be the player.

              • June 29th 2017 @ 9:58am
                Crash Ball2 said | June 29th 2017 @ 9:58am | ! Report

                If you limit the portfolio of breakdown acumen to only one metric “turnovers won” – and then, only if you believe the subjectively collated stats: “considerably more” = 3. Bear in mind, you are comparing the 1st & 3rd highest turnover merchants in SR (according to the “wet finger in the air” numbers). There are no definitive stats for: opposition cleaners committed, ball disruptions / slow downs, rushed or pressured halfback passes, opposition tackle avoidance or even accommodation in opposition game strategy.

              • June 29th 2017 @ 11:38pm
                In brief said | June 29th 2017 @ 11:38pm | ! Report

                Wasn’t gepetto a clown?

            • June 29th 2017 @ 2:27pm
              scottd said | June 29th 2017 @ 2:27pm | ! Report

              I tend to agree with you on that TWAS, but then I actually think RHP was more deserving of a spot in the test team than Hardwick

            • Roar Pro

              July 2nd 2017 @ 12:17am
              Crazy Horse said | July 2nd 2017 @ 12:17am | ! Report

              Hodgson is the Force Captain so unlike the Wallabies is expected to play the full 80 minutes. He probably would have had many more caps if he had a sky blue jersey. Hardwick is only a youngster who has been groomed for years to be Hodgo and Pocock’s replacement. You’ll see plenty of him at 7 next year.

        • Roar Rookie

          June 28th 2017 @ 4:19pm
          piru said | June 28th 2017 @ 4:19pm | ! Report

          I was thinking specifically about the front row –

          The Tahs scrum has not been impressive, yet they get three front rowers selected.

          • June 28th 2017 @ 6:03pm
            Daveski said | June 28th 2017 @ 6:03pm | ! Report

            Well Keps is still the clear number 2 tightnead until Tupou or Vui step up and there were plenty of people pumping for Latu to start 5-6 weeks ago.

            And let’s face it none of the three loosies finished the test series with reps enhanced. And your best has been Ben Daley who’s now injured.

            You do have plenty of depth over there no doubt. I like Ainsley too and Harry Scoble is definitely the best 4th choice hooker in any of the five teams.

            • June 29th 2017 @ 2:29pm
              scottd said | June 29th 2017 @ 2:29pm | ! Report

              I don’t think Daley has been the best prop in the Force. He has been good but Ainsley has been better but because he is young gets overlooked. Ainsley is eligible for both the WB’s and the AB’s. WB’s need to put him on the paddock this year or next and I guarantee he will be first pick at tighthead for the world cup.

              • Roar Pro

                July 2nd 2017 @ 12:19am
                Crazy Horse said | July 2nd 2017 @ 12:19am | ! Report

                If Chekia doesn’t cap him soon the Abs will grab him as part of their long term planning.

          • Roar Rookie

            June 28th 2017 @ 6:13pm
            Dave_S said | June 28th 2017 @ 6:13pm | ! Report

            Yeah even to me that seems … odd.

            • Roar Rookie

              June 28th 2017 @ 6:41pm
              piru said | June 28th 2017 @ 6:41pm | ! Report

              When you combine that with the reserved spot for Moore…

              Latu I totally get and I guess Kepu has a past reputation, but Robertson?

              • June 29th 2017 @ 3:31am
                Joe Blow said | June 29th 2017 @ 3:31am | ! Report

                Robertson performed better than both Sio and Smith.
                I really worry about Sios ability to adjust. He just seems to be quickly worked out by most decent TH props and then he is done and dusted.
                Smith is just not that good.

          • Roar Guru

            June 28th 2017 @ 9:31pm
            Train Without A Station said | June 28th 2017 @ 9:31pm | ! Report

            Spot on.

            You can possibly say maybe the hooker isn’t an issue.

        • June 29th 2017 @ 1:06pm
          Link said | June 29th 2017 @ 1:06pm | ! Report

          When in doubt pick more Tahs.

      • June 29th 2017 @ 9:53am
        Mike said | June 29th 2017 @ 9:53am | ! Report

        Leaving aside the established names, I agree Coleman is a real positive, and also Arnold now that he is coming out of his shell. Aalatoa in the front row. Hunt and Naivolu in the backs.

    • June 28th 2017 @ 3:05pm
      vincent b said | June 28th 2017 @ 3:05pm | ! Report

      Some nicely crafted tattoos on display is another positive. And not too many in the neck area, also a positive.

      And I think there’s an absence of mustaches in this years Wallaby team, another positive if true. I would have to actually watch them play to be sure.

    • June 28th 2017 @ 3:07pm
      Kiwi in US said | June 28th 2017 @ 3:07pm | ! Report

      Perhaps this is rock bottom

    • Roar Guru

      June 28th 2017 @ 3:17pm
      Mango Jack said | June 28th 2017 @ 3:17pm | ! Report

      No recent off field atrocities. Plenty on the field, unfortunately.

      • June 29th 2017 @ 9:55am
        Mike said | June 29th 2017 @ 9:55am | ! Report

        Yet some told us that fixing off-field incidents would improve on-field performance. 😉

      • Roar Guru

        June 30th 2017 @ 4:22pm
        Timbo (L) said | June 30th 2017 @ 4:22pm | ! Report

        I would much rather the Wallabies were getting in trouble for starting their own Impromptu “breeding programs” at airports then getting “bread” over on the field.

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