Tim Cahill, the greatest athlete Australia has ever produced

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    When Tim Cahill was just a young teenager, he was told he wasn’t good enough to take the step in professional football because he was weak and wasn’t tall enough.

    Made of stern steel, that was never going to get in the way of his dreams, which marked the starting point of Timmy’s inspirational journey.

    There have been many Australian athletes that deserve to be mentioned in this debate, with three in particular coming to mind in Margaret Court, Don Bradman and Dawn Fraser.

    In that list include 24 grand slam titles (a record for both men and women’s singles), the best batting average (which is still a record today) and four gold medals at the Olympics (first woman to win gold at three consecutive Olympics). These are truly remarkable achievements, but for me they don’t come close to Cahill’s legacy on Australian football.

    The career of Cahill was noticed when he made the switch to the English Premier League in 2004, playing for Everton. Argued by many as the toughest league in the world, he was at the top for eight years, scoring 56 goals in 226 appearances.

    He then moved to the MLS signing for the New York Red Bulls which allowed him to play alongside legends such as Thierry Henry and Juninho. The A-League welcomed Cahill with open arms as he signed for Melbourne City after an unsuccessful spell in China, wanting to play in front of the Australian home crowd. That season involved a goal in the Melbourne derby that was voted goal of the season.

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    (AAP Image/Joe Castro)

    The World Cup is the greatest sporting event on the planet, and its how the Australian public will remember Cahill the most. In 2006, he scored the Socceroos’ first ever goal at a FIFA World Cup which inspired the Aussies to their first ever win in the tournament, scoring another goal in the same match.

    Before that opening game against Japan, coach Guus Hiddink told him he was starting on the bench and had to wait for his opportunity. Some athletes would put their head down and not turn up with the right attitude in that situation, but Tim was always that guy who would do anything for his country, no matter the circumstances.

    He scored one goal in the 2010 World Cup, adding a further two four years later in Brazil, scoring the greatest goal in Australian football history with a volley on his left foot against the Dutch which was named by many as the goal of the tournament. He has five World Cup goals in his career, the most by any Australian.

    100 appearances and 48 goals later, the golden boy has played his part in putting football on the map in Australia.

    Cahill’s aerial ability is one of the best in the world, scoring headers for fun for any team he has been involved with. Not bad for a bloke who was told he wasn’t good enough because he didn’t have the height.

    Tim Cahill scored a beautiful volley

    (Instagram: Tim Cahill)

    The 2015 Asian Cup created yet another highlight for Cahill’s already decorated career, scoring three goals in the tournament to help the Socceroos win it’s first major piece of silverware. That bicycle kick goal against China in the quarter-finals only demonstrated that Cahill can produce brilliance out of nothing. Funnily enough, it was the goal of the tournament.

    Wanting to do everything possible to help Australian football grow and teach future generations of his experiences is why he is a legend. He is the face of the Foxtel All Stars Program, a campaign involving over 1000 children (aged 6-11) which he contributes to a $20 million investment for the development of future football stars.

    “I want to be in the minds of kids on and off the pitch. To add to the participation numbers, the grassroots, help with the fundamental skills and, importantly, help the kids to have fun and maybe help them achieve their dreams.” This is what Cahill is all about. It’s that extra drive and motivation off the pitch that helps him succeed on it.

    “The first thing I thought about when I got that red card, was to take it on the chin and walk off and think about everyone in Australia watching instead of being a baby and reacting.”

    This is Cahill referring to being wrongly sent off against Germany at the 2010 World Cup. It shows a professional athlete acknowledging a decision while being respectful and humble about it. This is an example of a true role model. A few qualities Kyrgios and Tomic should learn about if they are to one day be joined in this discussion.

    At 37, he still has the legs for one more appearance at a World Cup next year in Russia. Who knows, maybe he can do the unthinkable and add to his five World Cup goals. It wouldn’t be much of a surprise, seeing as the man defies physics and defies logic.

    A national icon. A legend of Australian sport. He has created memorable moments that have given so much joy to fans across the country. People who know nothing about football know who he is. Kids look up to him as a hero.

    For me anyway, Tim Cahill is the greatest athlete Australia has ever produced.

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    • July 7th 2017 @ 6:46am
      Jeff dustby said | July 7th 2017 @ 6:46am | ! Report

      Yeah, Christian how many days until football is the biggest sport in this country?

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        July 7th 2017 @ 8:55am
        andresilva10 said | July 7th 2017 @ 8:55am | ! Report

        Doesn’t need to be the biggest sport in this country….

      • July 7th 2017 @ 10:24am
        The Giant in a self induced coma said | July 7th 2017 @ 10:24am | ! Report

        Technically Luc Longley is the ‘greatest athlete’, he won the NBA championship with the Bulls a bunch of times. Tim Cahill never won a title.

        • July 7th 2017 @ 6:22pm
          mark conley said | July 7th 2017 @ 6:22pm | ! Report

          Luc Longley, excellent player and servant for australia, but how is he, ‘technically … the ‘greatest athlete’ ‘?

          Methinks you might have eaten off the same dish as the OP

        • July 7th 2017 @ 8:57pm
          Minz said | July 7th 2017 @ 8:57pm | ! Report

          Hang on, by that yardstick, surely Lauren Jackson is Australia’s greatest athlete? 3 times MVP of the best competition in a highly competitive sport? Longley’s got nuthin’

      • July 7th 2017 @ 1:52pm
        Led Medley said | July 7th 2017 @ 1:52pm | ! Report

        Jeff when will Rugby League be big outside of QLD and parts of NSW?

        • July 7th 2017 @ 2:52pm
          covfefe said | July 7th 2017 @ 2:52pm | ! Report

          it already is, just look at PNG 🙂

          • July 7th 2017 @ 3:06pm
            Led Medley said | July 7th 2017 @ 3:06pm | ! Report

            Haha PNG!!

            • July 7th 2017 @ 3:24pm
              Jeff dustby said | July 7th 2017 @ 3:24pm | ! Report

              What’s wrong with PNG?

              • July 7th 2017 @ 8:02pm
                Led Medley said | July 7th 2017 @ 8:02pm | ! Report

                Nothing wrong with PNG Jeff. It just shows how huge Rugby League is going around the globe.. haha kicking goals Jeff

    • July 7th 2017 @ 7:05am
      Al-Shazahd said | July 7th 2017 @ 7:05am | ! Report

      Far our stop this generic rubbish paraphrasing articles you’ve seen on the internet. Honestly, absolutely no substance to your articles.

      • July 7th 2017 @ 7:06am
        Al-Shazahd said | July 7th 2017 @ 7:06am | ! Report

        Christian “Serie A has superior atmosphere to the German Bundesliga” Montegan

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          July 7th 2017 @ 7:31am
          Ben of Phnom Penh said | July 7th 2017 @ 7:31am | ! Report

          That’s the thing with opinions on matters involving preference, they are all valid in that they are by their very nature entirely subjective. Hence perhaps for the author flavoursome beer coupled with incessant noise is an atmosphere that is less preferential, hence his opinion is entirely valid regardless of how widely shared it may be.

          Ironically, topics based upon preference generate heated debate as many believe their own preferences to be of higher value than anothers simply because in the context of themselves this is true.

          To the author’s credit he has reinforced this point in the last line, which validates the article as it is an articulation of his perspective.

          • July 7th 2017 @ 10:26am
            Caltex Ten & SBS support Australian Football said | July 7th 2017 @ 10:26am | ! Report

            Well said Ben.

    • July 7th 2017 @ 7:19am
      punter said | July 7th 2017 @ 7:19am | ! Report

      Go Christian, love your work.

    • July 7th 2017 @ 7:20am
      AR said | July 7th 2017 @ 7:20am | ! Report

      “In that list include 24 grand slam titles (a record for both men and women’s singles), the best batting average (which is still a record today) and four gold medals at the Olympics (first woman to win gold at three consecutive Olympics). These are truly remarkable achievements, but for me they don’t come close to Cahill’s legacy on Australian football.”

      Christian, this seems a tad…overstretched.

      Next time, you should try defining what you mean by “athlete” and what, for the purpose of the article, is meant by “best”.

      For example, there are important differences between “athlete” and “sportsman”.

      Anyway, keep at it and good luck with your writing.

      • July 7th 2017 @ 3:25pm
        Jeff dustby said | July 7th 2017 @ 3:25pm | ! Report

        Christian is a true believer

        • July 7th 2017 @ 3:56pm
          valhalla said | July 7th 2017 @ 3:56pm | ! Report

          but is he well ‘ard???

    • July 7th 2017 @ 7:33am
      Realist said | July 7th 2017 @ 7:33am | ! Report

      Didn’t we have this ‘discussion’ about 3-6 months ago?

      I know i posted a comment outlining the achievements of Jamie Dwyer, who not only participated at World Cups, like Tim Cahill, but actually won them. Along with Olympic gold. He has also been named the best player in the world. Something Cahill has never achieved. Dwyer has also been been inducted into the AIS ‘best of the best’ hall of fame. The only football player to have been included is Mark Viduka.

      Enough of these articles claiming that so and so is the best in australia.

      • July 7th 2017 @ 8:11am
        punter said | July 7th 2017 @ 8:11am | ! Report

        Who was the best Hockey player in the world this year, what about last year?
        Who won the last hockey world cup?
        Who won the last Olympic Gold?

        Watched a lot of hockey as a youth as my dad played the game, have special memories of it & love the Hockey olympics.
        But to compare the World cup in football to Hockey or the best player in the world in hockey compared to football is a bit of a joke.

        Despite neither Hockey or Football being the No 1 sport in Australia, I would say Cahill would be better known then Dwyer 1000 to 1.

        • July 7th 2017 @ 9:16am
          Realist said | July 7th 2017 @ 9:16am | ! Report

          The article isn’t “the best known athlete australia has ever produced”, it’s the “greatest”.

          There is no way, the Cahill is the ‘greatest’ athlete this country has produced. Cahill left australia as an 18 year old to play for Millwall. Surely, our “greatest” ever athlete would play for at least one of the best football clubs in the world. Unless in your opinion Millwall sits up there.

          You can go through all the athletes that Australia has produced, and think about their achievements and then compare them to what Cahill has achieved. No way does he measure up.

          If you want to talk about australia’s “best known athlete”, then I’ll wait until you write that article and discuss that then.

          • July 7th 2017 @ 9:30am
            punter said | July 7th 2017 @ 9:30am | ! Report

            I didn’t call him the greatest athlete in Australia, the author did.

            I just said you can’t compare being the greatest in Hockey to the greatest in football.

            Heather McKay won 16 consecutive British opens (equivalent to Wimbledon for Squash) & a contender for the greatest Australian athlete ever.
            But my question is can you name without goggle name 1 squash player who as won the British open since.

            • July 7th 2017 @ 10:10am
              Realist said | July 7th 2017 @ 10:10am | ! Report

              Punter, my reply was to you saying Cahill would be better known than Dwyer. That is a different topic of discussion, and I would agree with you in that Cahill would be better known.

              Agree with you that you cannot compare athletes of different sports or even eras and lay claim that one is above all else, which is what the author is doing, as have others before him even in recent times. My initial reply was not to say that Dwyer is the greatest and Cahill isn’t, but to highlight that you can’t dismiss what other athletes have achieved in their chosen career simply because they are your fav player or one sport is played in more countries than others.

              As for knowing about Dwyer, it’s simply down that he is from the same city as I am, and he is a couple of years younger than I. It was quite natural for his achievements becoming headline news.

              Now for squash, the only player I can mention without referring to google would be Craig Rowland – again because he is from the same city as myself. I recall him winning titles, but can’t name specific ones.

              • July 7th 2017 @ 10:30am
                punter said | July 7th 2017 @ 10:30am | ! Report

                It is futile, Realist, to say who is the greatest sportsman ever, because of different eras, sport, expectation, love.

                Like I said I like hockey & fully aware of who Dwyer is & his standing in Hockey.

                However my point being hockey v football.

                I give you another contender Johnathan Thurston, he won 10 State of Origins, the pinnacle of his sport. You may or may not have heard of him, but Queenslanders love him.

                My argument is just because someone breaks WRs, win gold medals, achieves the pinnacle of their sport, the sport may be minor & hence the argument against.

                Heather McKay v Evonne Goolagong, one won 19 consecutive British opens in a minor sport the other only won 1 Wimbledon in a far more popular sport.

              • July 7th 2017 @ 10:44am
                Realist said | July 7th 2017 @ 10:44am | ! Report

                Punter, these kind of articles are frustrating and a waste of time. I will admit I did get sucked into this one. Why can’t people just appreciate the greatest athletes we get to watch in our generation. In 10 years time, there will be athletes come along that will put the achievements of today out of the history books and consign them to our memories only.

                I’m a Queenslander, so I know who JT is. An absolute champion of a player and person and always features in many debates about the best RL player of all time. A shame that he wasn’t be able to play his last SoO game at Suncorp stadium.

                To me, if someone reaches the pinnacle of their chosen sport or profession, then their achievements shouldn’t be ridiculed or dismissed simply because it happened to be in a minor sport. They still committed themselves to train harder, practice longer, and made sacrifices to become the best.

              • July 7th 2017 @ 11:05am
                punter said | July 7th 2017 @ 11:05am | ! Report

                Realist, pardon my ignorance, I thought Dwyer was a WA boy, hence the remark you may not know Thurston.
                I also agree these topics are click bait material & you will get different answers pending sport, era, expectation.

                I agree players in minor sport deserves our appreciation & unlike others who have never heard of Dwyer, I have & have great admiration for him & remember the part he played in winning the Olympic gold in 2008 & world player of the year numerous times.

                However, from your comments you did disparage Cahill because he never reached the pinnacle of a sport that is far more difficult to achieve, mainly because of many that plays that game.

                I always rate the 100 metres athletic gold more then the sailing gold, not because one is the better athlete, but because everyone runs, not everyone sails.

              • July 7th 2017 @ 11:37am
                Realist said | July 7th 2017 @ 11:37am | ! Report

                Punter, all good. Dwyer is a Rocky boy. Along with Rowland (squash), and as you are a hockey fan, you may remember the name Kym Ireland. She is another Rocky product. Rocky will also try to claim Anna Meares, even though she was originally from Blackwater. I’m no longer living in Rocky, but grew up there and anyone that represented higher honours became headline news.

                Looking back at my initial comments, I guess I should’ve worded it better. It wasn’t my intention to put down Cahill. Like I said in my earlier comment, it was more to highlight that other athletes shouldn’t be dismissed.

                To add to your “everyone runs” comment, I find it hard to rate the 10,000m walk as an event. And those guys can walk faster than I can run, which annoys me to no end 🙂

              • July 7th 2017 @ 1:48pm
                clipper said | July 7th 2017 @ 1:48pm | ! Report

                It’s an interesting discussion and there’s no argument that being at the top in Football is a lot harder to achieve that being at the top of a minor sport with virtually no international exposure like league and AFL, but you can also argue that it’s hard to gauge how good a top athlete is in a minor sport – they could be as good, or better than an athlete at the top in a major international sport.

            • July 7th 2017 @ 10:39am
              Swanny said | July 7th 2017 @ 10:39am | ! Report

              Geoff hunt.

              • July 7th 2017 @ 10:48am
                punter said | July 7th 2017 @ 10:48am | ! Report

                Women I meant!!!!

              • July 7th 2017 @ 10:51am
                Swanny said | July 7th 2017 @ 10:51am | ! Report

                Punter

                I got nothing

            • July 7th 2017 @ 10:52am
              Redondo said | July 7th 2017 @ 10:52am | ! Report

              Heather McKay was the Bradman of squash. She was undefeated in 19 years of senior international squash. She also excelled at other sports. After she retired from squash she took up racquetball and made the US racquetball hall of fame. And she was also in the Australian women’s hockey team while playing squash,

              Although McKay and Bradman played relatively minor sports, they were so much better than their peers their records put Cahill’s In the shade. Many wouldn’t even rank Cahill best amongst the relatively small pool of Australian footballers. There is no argument about McKay or Bradman being the best ever, worldwide, in their sports.

              Bradman’ career record is like someone running 100 metres in 6 seconds. Kind of similarly, if McKay’s opponents had been given a five point head start in each set McKay would probably still have won 16 British Opens.

              • July 7th 2017 @ 9:04pm
                Glen said | July 7th 2017 @ 9:04pm | ! Report

                Did you say 19 years undefeated? That is absolutely phenomenal no matter how minor the sport.

          • July 7th 2017 @ 9:37am
            Caltex Ten & SBS support Australian Football said | July 7th 2017 @ 9:37am | ! Report

            Realist — “Cahill left australia as an 18 year old to play for Millwall.” Did you stop reading after this line?

            Sir Alex Ferguson wrote in his book about Tim Cahill: “Tim Cahill was on the radar and he had a lot of really good qualities. He had a terrific career for Everton, scored a lot of goals for them.

            Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes you bring someone in that you thought were a benefit to the club, sometimes with players you lose.”

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        July 7th 2017 @ 9:03am
        andresilva10 said | July 7th 2017 @ 9:03am | ! Report

        @realist 35 countries play hockey and over 200 countries play football.
        Think its tougher for Cahill to be the best player in the world.

        And that ‘best of the best’ hall of fame you talk about is absolute rubbish. Mark Viduka was overrated and underperformed for Australia. Sure he may of been captain, but the bloke had no heart.

        • July 7th 2017 @ 9:22am
          Realist said | July 7th 2017 @ 9:22am | ! Report

          Have a look at the list of athletes that the AIS recognise. Let me know how many of them reached the pinnacle of their sport and then tell me that they are rubbish. World champions, Olympic champions. What is rubbish is how you think Cahill is the “greatest” athlete this country has produced. He left this country at 18 to play for Millwall in the lofty heights of the English 3rd division.

          You’ve done this article for no other reason then to generate clicks, not to provide anything of substance.

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            July 7th 2017 @ 9:41am
            andresilva10 said | July 7th 2017 @ 9:41am | ! Report

            Almost every world class player starts off at a lower team. If he played for Millwall all his life then fair enough I’d agree with you, but he played with Everton for 8 years. He could’ve stayed in England, but he wanted to help grow the game in America and China, and now the A-league.

            • July 7th 2017 @ 9:48am
              Tom M said | July 7th 2017 @ 9:48am | ! Report

              Wanting to grow the game in America and China. Come on the only reason he played in these two country’s was $$$. He would’ve been better served if he stayed in the EPL instead of chasing $$$ in the MLS.

          • July 7th 2017 @ 9:46am
            Nemesis said | July 7th 2017 @ 9:46am | ! Report

            Interesting that you know a lot about Tim Cahill’s background, going all the way back to 18yrs old. I don’t have a clue about the bloke you mentioned.

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              July 7th 2017 @ 9:54am
              andresilva10 said | July 7th 2017 @ 9:54am | ! Report

              We have a bingo @nemesis

              • July 7th 2017 @ 10:41am
                Swanny said | July 7th 2017 @ 10:41am | ! Report

                Christian

                Mark viduka achieved more at club level then Cahill . I’m stunned by your ignorance of how good viduka was .

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                July 7th 2017 @ 10:53am
                andresilva10 said | July 7th 2017 @ 10:53am | ! Report

                @Swanny I’m talking about what he did at International level.
                – Didn’t score in the 05 Confederations Cup
                – Didn’t score in both legs in the playoff against Uruguay
                – Missed his penalty in the shootout against Uruguay (a weak pen)
                – Didn’t manage to score a single goal in 4 games at the 06 World Cup

                Our main striker, but yet he was never there when we needed him the most

              • July 7th 2017 @ 11:37am
                Swanny said | July 7th 2017 @ 11:37am | ! Report

                Christian, every time u write something u sound even more ignorant.
                No point discussing things with closed minded people like yourself

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                July 7th 2017 @ 12:06pm
                andresilva10 said | July 7th 2017 @ 12:06pm | ! Report

                Okay then, tell me what Viduka achieved when he played for the Socceroos…..

              • July 7th 2017 @ 1:43pm
                Al-Shazahd said | July 7th 2017 @ 1:43pm | ! Report

                Okay Christian how do you define a great Australian athlete?

                Is it based on club performances?

                Is it based on national team performances?

                Do you have to play for the Socceroos to be considered a great athlete?

                Is it based on how many people play that respective sport?

                This is stupid like saying “What type of doctor is the best?”

                Heart surgeon?

                Brain surgeon?

                Oncologist?

                Orthopaedic surgeon?

                Psychiatrist?

                Your GP down the road who has known your family for many years?

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                July 7th 2017 @ 2:16pm
                andresilva10 said | July 7th 2017 @ 2:16pm | ! Report

                Your first 3 questions have basically been answered in my article.

                “Is it based on how many people play that respective sport”

                Well yes. As I said earlier in one of my comments it’s harder to establish yourself as a ‘top 100’ player if so many people around the world play it

              • July 7th 2017 @ 5:20pm
                Al-Shazahd said | July 7th 2017 @ 5:20pm | ! Report

                “As I said earlier in one of my comments it’s harder to establish yourself as a ‘top 100’ player if so many people around the world play it”

                AGAIN. You expose yourself as a stupid sports fan obsessed with “TOP 100” non sense!

                What top 100? Top 100 in Australia? Top 100 in the world? Top 100 in the sport at that respective point in time?

                The title tells me this is (Correct me if I’m wrong) NOT about which athlete is the best in the world.

                Nor is it about which sports produces the greatest athletes (Which by your logic is football as so many people play it)

                Also depends on what sport you are talking about! No one cares about top 100 players in football, such a meaningless ranking. How do you compare defenders with strikers?

                Tennis, top 100 has a more important context.

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                July 7th 2017 @ 5:44pm
                andresilva10 said | July 7th 2017 @ 5:44pm | ! Report

                No no no…

                If you looked at my reply to Steve’s comment you would understand

              • July 7th 2017 @ 5:52pm
                Al-Shazahd said | July 7th 2017 @ 5:52pm | ! Report

                so by choosing to play any sport outside of football you have NO chance of being considered the greatest athlete Australia has ever produced?

                No matter what they do ON and OFF the field.

                Sounds like you know what it takes to be a professional sports player.

                It could be argued that becoming an AFL footballer or basketballer or swimmer as a professional is more competitive than football given it has less spots on their roster. After all, Cahill did start at a third division club.

            • July 7th 2017 @ 9:57am
              Realist said | July 7th 2017 @ 9:57am | ! Report

              Nemesis, I know a bit about Dwyer, as we are from the same city and he is a couple of years younger than me. I am sure there are people who were similar when you were growing up that have become successful, that you know of, and I don’t.

              • July 7th 2017 @ 10:12am
                Caltex Ten & SBS support Australian Football said | July 7th 2017 @ 10:12am | ! Report

                You’re not doing Dwyer any good service; comparing him to Cahill. He may have been a brilliant Hockey player, but that’s it. The two sports are light years apart on the world stage.

            • July 7th 2017 @ 3:28pm
              Jeff dustby said | July 7th 2017 @ 3:28pm | ! Report

              You only follow Bulgarian and Melbourne football so why would you?

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        July 7th 2017 @ 9:44am
        c said | July 7th 2017 @ 9:44am | ! Report

        who

    • July 7th 2017 @ 7:47am
      jamesb said | July 7th 2017 @ 7:47am | ! Report

      I am predicting 200 plus comments. I think someone has written a similar article about Cahill being the greatest ever.

      • July 7th 2017 @ 9:44am
        lesterlike said | July 7th 2017 @ 9:44am | ! Report

        I’m the sure the AFL people wont be able to handle this and will lose their minds. They think that the greatest sporting achievement is playing a suburban club from Melbourne.

        • July 7th 2017 @ 10:00am
          punter said | July 7th 2017 @ 10:00am | ! Report

          Don’t forget, Melbourne is the sporting capital of the world.

        • July 7th 2017 @ 10:08am
          northerner said | July 7th 2017 @ 10:08am | ! Report

          Actually, I personally think that the greatest sporting achievements are setting world records, winning world championships or world cups, winning Olympic gold medals, winning tennis slam events or golf majors or one of the great classic cycling races. You don’t have to be an AFL fan to think there are a whole lot of people ahead of Tim Cahill in the line for the title of Australia’s best athlete.

          • July 7th 2017 @ 10:43am
            punter said | July 7th 2017 @ 10:43am | ! Report

            So Don Bradman, who achieved none of that could be classified as Australia’s greatest.

            • July 7th 2017 @ 11:04am
              Sydneysider said | July 7th 2017 @ 11:04am | ! Report

              “So Don Bradman, who achieved none of that could be classified as Australia’s greatest.”

              Agreed.

            • July 7th 2017 @ 11:09am
              Nemesis said | July 7th 2017 @ 11:09am | ! Report

              Be gentle with northerner. He’s says he’s a new arrival to Australia, so we’ve got to expect he’ll post ridiculous comments about Australian sports history & sport culture.

              • July 7th 2017 @ 1:17pm
                northerner said | July 7th 2017 @ 1:17pm | ! Report

                Nemesis – I have never posted anything quite as ridiculous as your series of comments on Cadel Evans, the Tour, and cycling as a sport.

              • July 7th 2017 @ 5:31pm
                AR said | July 7th 2017 @ 5:31pm | ! Report

                Be gentle with Nemesis. He’s (sic) says he’s says he’s a new arrival to Australia, so we’ve got to expect he’ll post ridiculous comments about Australian sports history & sport culture.

            • July 7th 2017 @ 1:27pm
              northerner said | July 7th 2017 @ 1:27pm | ! Report

              Punter – I don’t believe I included cricket in my list. I’m thinking about the Lavers and Courts, the Murray Roses and Kieren Perkins and Ian Thorpes, the Kathy Freemans, the Anna Meares and Cadel Evans, the Layne Beachleys, Mick Fannings and Stephanie Gilmores, and their ilk, all at the very top of the tree in their respective sports. I would place all of them higher up on the pure athletic scales than Tim Cahill. Tim’s the greatest Socceroo. I’d leave it at that.

              • July 7th 2017 @ 6:40pm
                punter said | July 7th 2017 @ 6:40pm | ! Report

                So only individual sports!!!

              • July 7th 2017 @ 7:13pm
                northerner said | July 7th 2017 @ 7:13pm | ! Report

                Punter – we’re talking about the best athlete here. That’s very subjective, yes, but it’s a judgement of an individual athlete, whether in a team or individual sport. And I’d put some of those individuals ahead of Tim in the rankings simply because they were absolutely world class, world beaters, in fact, the best of their kind, and while I think Tim has certainly been a great representative of football in Australia, I just don’t think he’s at that level.

              • July 7th 2017 @ 7:19pm
                punter said | July 7th 2017 @ 7:19pm | ! Report

                All I said all the sportsmen you listed are individual sportsmen.

              • July 7th 2017 @ 8:16pm
                northerner said | July 7th 2017 @ 8:16pm | ! Report

                Punter – are you arguing that an individual sportsman (or woman) can’t be Australia’s greatest athlete?

                It is my personal opinion that there are Australian athletes who have been better in their sports than Tim Cahill has been in football. He’s been a good servant to the Australian national team, no argument at all. But I don’t see that he’s a superior athlete to some of the others I’ve mentioned, or others I could list. I just think there’s a huge amount of competition for the title of Australia’s best athlete ever, and I wouldn’t put Tim at the top.

              • July 7th 2017 @ 9:18pm
                Nemesis said | July 7th 2017 @ 9:18pm | ! Report

                Personally, I think Cadel Evans’ bicycle that he rode when winning TdF is Australia’s greatest athlete.

                If the bicycle was manufactured overseas, it gets a bit tricky… I’ll need to check the International Cycling Federation’s Regulations regarding “Country of Eligibility for Bicycles” and what are the formalities for Change of Country of Eligibility.

              • July 7th 2017 @ 9:50pm
                punter said | July 7th 2017 @ 9:50pm | ! Report

                Northerner, I’m not arguing, I stating an observation tat all your nominees are individual sportsmen, they do not play in team sport. They are like Timmy all very valid nominees for Australia’s greatest sportsman & agree the list would be far & wide pending ones choice of sport, view of what makes a sportsperson great, what their expectation of greatness too.

                I accept then you feel these sportsmen/women you mention are worthy to be call Australian greatest athlete, this is your opinion, I also accept Christian’s opinion on who thinks based on his view on Australia’s greatest athlete & also think a worthy opinion.

              • July 8th 2017 @ 10:36am
                northerner said | July 8th 2017 @ 10:36am | ! Report

                @Nemesis – while you’re checking out Cadel’s bicycle, please check out the source of Tim’s boots.

              • July 10th 2017 @ 3:44am
                Mad Dog said | July 10th 2017 @ 3:44am | ! Report

                Gold ?

              • July 8th 2017 @ 10:55am
                northerner said | July 8th 2017 @ 10:55am | ! Report

                Punter – of course he’s entitled to his opinion, as are you. I mentioned those names because I remember watching most of them at the time. But I could have mentioned James Tomkins (rowing – 8s, 4s, and pairs) or Cameron Meyer (cycling, including a team pursuit world championship). I think, given the length of their careers and the high level of achievement, they’re at least as worthy as Cahill is to be considered under the “greatest athlete” category. But to be honest, I’m not sure that it matters whether a person plays as a member of a team, or as an individual, when it comes to deciding who might be the best athlete. And I don’t think it’s a question that actually has an answer, because the sports and their requirements are so very different.

              • July 8th 2017 @ 1:04pm
                punter said | July 8th 2017 @ 1:04pm | ! Report

                I too marveled at their achievements, what Aussies wouldn’t.
                Hence we are both on the same page on the ‘greatest’ Australian athlete, it is far & wide & based on opinion, choice of sport maybe, how one terms greatness.

              • July 8th 2017 @ 10:56am
                Caltex Ten & SBS support Australian Football said | July 8th 2017 @ 10:56am | ! Report

                @ Northerner, Tim Cahill wears his own brand.

              • July 8th 2017 @ 11:02am
                Nemesis said | July 8th 2017 @ 11:02am | ! Report

                @northerner

                If you followed football more deeply than occasional Wikipedia references, you’d know that Tim Cahill’s head (literally & metaphorically) has elevated him to the highest levels of football as much as his boots.

              • July 8th 2017 @ 11:41am
                northerner said | July 8th 2017 @ 11:41am | ! Report

                Nemesis – I’m not the one that introduced the ridiculous concept that riding a non-Australian built bike might negate Cadel’s claim to be a great Australian athlete. I’m simply pointing out that if you’re going to come up with an idiotic idea like that one, you’d better be prepared to judge all contenders by the source of the equipment they use.

                And unless Tim Cahill is a disembodied head floating down the field, he relies on his footwork rather a lot during the game.

        • July 7th 2017 @ 3:29pm
          Jeff dustby said | July 7th 2017 @ 3:29pm | ! Report

          Isn’t man united in a suburb of Manchester ?

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