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Six quick takes from AFL Round 16

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    2017 has been a sea of surprising results, so isn’t it almost comforting to be able to rely on something like North losing a close game, or Richmond giving their fans the football equivalent of a punch in the face? Here’s my quick takes from Round 16.

    Nine sides in the finals race, so who misses out?
    In 2016 we had a straightforward top eight from very early on in the season – in 2017, it has taken much much longer to get even a slightly clear idea of who is in the mix.

    After this weekend’s action though, I would say it likely boils down to the current top nine teams on the ladder. In order, that’s:

    Every team in that mix has had their high moments and their low moments, some of them this weekend.

    St Kilda had what might a season-defining game, against a Richmond side who clearly took offence to me calling them consistent during the week.

    Port Adelaide went a long way to shedding the ‘pretenders’ tag with a win over West Coast.

    Sydney slamming the Suns wasn’t a season-defining win by any means, but it was one shows how consistent they’ve become, and puts them in the top eight for the first time all year after an 0-6 start.

    They’ve all won more than they’ve lost however and they’ve all displayed a quality of football good enough to convince us they can keep doing that for the remaining seven rounds of the season.

    Essendon could still be rated an outside chance too but they’ve got at least one win to make up and a few more to really cement their place.

    Their win over Collingwood was good but it’s just one win – they need to play their best more often.

    So if we narrow it down to that top nine, who is going to be squeezed out?

    Things change so much from week to week this year that it’s hard to say.

    Right now I’d say any of the six sides from fourth to ninth could miss – and anyone of them could still make the top four!

    It’s going to be a mad dash to the finish line.

    Jasper Pittard Port Adelaide Power AFL 2015

    (AAP Image/Ben Macmahon)

    Welcome to Nyhuis
    Ryan Nyhuis might play a couple hundred games in his AFL career and never have a more memorable performance than he did on debut, kicking four goals including two crucial ones in the last term to deliver a four-point win for Fremantle.

    Taken at pick 34 in last year’s rookie draft, he wasn’t even meant to be playing on Sunday – only coming into the side as a replacement for a late withdrawal in David Mundy.

    As a Roos fan I looked at that news before the game and thought oh good, that probably makes the job a little easier – and clearly, I was cursed for my hubris.

    Seriously, without trying to play the martyred North fan card too heavily, it’s always nice to be the backdrop against which previously unheralded players do great works.

    To make things even more incredible, consider this – he has actually played the vast majority of his footy as a defender and has never kicked a goal in 25 senior appearances in the WAFL.

    Okay, enough of that – really, it was an incredible debut, the best of the year without a doubt, and probably the best we have seen or will see for many years.

    Best of luck to the young man and here’s hoping we see plenty more games of this kind from him in the future. Even if not, he’s already got a heck of a story to tell the grandkids.

    Ryan Nyhuis Fremantle Dockers AFL 2017

    (AAP Image/David Crosling)

    The Dogs’ premiership defence is dead
    It was pretty easy to get carried away with the Dogs’ potential in 2017 after the magic month that was September last year, but when we look back on it now it was a bit naive.

    The Bulldogs just had so many players who played the best month of footy in their lives in September last year, and the odds of seeing that form from them ever again were incredibly low.

    Liam Picken and Clay Smith kicked eight goals apiece, or two goals per game in that finals series. This year they’ve kicked 18 from 23 games combined.

    There’s no shame in what’s happening to the Dogs though. They are Hawthorn of 2008 – an immensely talented young team who pinched one well before their time.

    There’s a lot left to played out between now and then but the longterm fate of that Hawthorn team bodes well for Dogs fans in five years time or so, if they make the right decisions along the way. I’ll write some more about that during the week – stay tuned.

    Even if they don’t, they won’t feel too aggrieved – they’ve got easily one of the top five best stories in the history of our game to remember seeing with their own eyes.


    (AAP Image/Julian Smith)

    Fyfe finds his best form
    Nat Fyfe has had a pretty solid year all things considered, it just hasn’t had the game-breaking superstar performances we’re used to seeing from him – till today, at least.

    33 disposals was an equal season-high from the Fremantle captain, and he added a goal as well, but probably the best feature was his three goal assists – he’s only had five for the year in thirteen games previously.

    It’ll be great to see what he can make of the remaining seven games for the year – if he can put in another four or five more games like this one, Fremantle still has something to say about how the ladder figures out.

    Come home with a wet sail and it might even be enough to make a late play for All-Australian selection.

    On top of that though, it might re-start the conversation about his future. As things stand, he has said he expects a new deal to be done at Fremantle soon, and that seems the likely result present.

    But could some late-year superstar performances also tempt a team to throw their hat in the ring at the rumoured $1.5 million asking price? Time will tell.

    Nat Fyfe Fremantle Dockers AFL 2017

    (AAP Image/Travis Anderson)

    Who is really to blame at Collingwood?
    It’s the question that’s going to keep Eddie McGuire up at night for the next seven weeks – who is really to blame for Collingwood’s increasingly ugly situation, and what needs to be done to fix it?

    It’s easy to make calls from outside the four walls at Collingwood but the simple truth is that without being a fly on the wall, we don’t know in detail who decided on what.

    The senior coach is always the figurehead of a club but they don’t get to run it like a dictator. Nathan Buckley could be blamed for the recruitment of Chris Mayne, so far an abject failure, but the fact Buckley refuses to play him does little to suggest he wanted him at the club in the first place.

    The difference between where Collingwood are at and where the kind of communication that goes around them says they should be has been stark.

    I said at the start of the year that expectations on them to make finals given where their list is at were unrealistic, and I stick by that.

    I mean, this is a team without any kind of mature forward line spearhead, a backline built around the rejects of other clubs, and a midfield which bar Scott Pendlebury is as blue-collar as they come.

    It’s a work-in-progress team, and one that has had so many fingerprints on it due to a revolving door of football bosses over the last few years that it’s hard to tell who has done the most damage.

    Perhaps the trick to fixing a team damaged by so many rash changes over the past five years is not to make more rash changes but instead find a way to introduce some stability into the group and allow real growth to happen.

    A garden doesn’t grow overnight and certainly not if you take an axe to the fresh sprouts every couple of weeks – work out how to make a united football department where everyone is on the same page, and then show the patience required to let it bloom.

    Collingwood coach Nathan Buckley

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    Dayne Zorko is an All-Australian lock
    No one is beating out Michael Walters’ 32 disposals and six goals last week for the best individual performance of the year, but Dayne Zorko damn sure gave it a shake on Saturday night.

    36 touches, four goals and twelve tackles was arguably the best we’ve seen yet from one of the most well-rounded and underrated midfielders in the game.

    I had him in my half-way All-Australian team this year and a performance like this has him absolutely locked up for the final thing so long as he keeps up solid form over the last seven weeks.

    A second Brisbane Lions best-and-fairest is on the way too and hopefully plenty of votes on Brownlow night.

    He could even win one someday if the Lions start winning more than they lose while he’s still at his peak.

    Dayne Zorko of the Brisbane Lions AFL

    (AAP Image/Dan Peled)

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    • Roar Guru

      July 9th 2017 @ 7:29pm
      AdelaideDocker said | July 9th 2017 @ 7:29pm | ! Report

      Woohoo! Two of the six takes revolve around Freo!

      All joking aside, this is a good write up, Josh. Definitely agree (obviously) on your takes on Nyhuis and Fyfey, so I won’t go on about them.

      • July 9th 2017 @ 7:37pm
        Mattician6x6 said | July 9th 2017 @ 7:37pm | ! Report

        Could be an epic next week AD, freo deserved a little bit of luck after last 2 weeks. Let’s hope our teams last dance at subi is a fitting derby farewell.

        • Roar Guru

          July 9th 2017 @ 8:00pm
          AdelaideDocker said | July 9th 2017 @ 8:00pm | ! Report

          Oh man, next week is going to be massive.

          Hoping for a close game, that’ll end in a Freo win.

          • Roar Guru

            July 9th 2017 @ 8:20pm
            Cat said | July 9th 2017 @ 8:20pm | ! Report

            Thought you’d have had your fill of close ones by now lol

            • Roar Guru

              July 9th 2017 @ 10:00pm
              AdelaideDocker said | July 9th 2017 @ 10:00pm | ! Report

              Haha true.

              From an entertainment perspective close games are infinitely better than a blow-out.

              perhaps a blow-out will do Freo some good though

              • July 9th 2017 @ 10:05pm
                Mattician6x6 said | July 9th 2017 @ 10:05pm | ! Report

                Blow out loss?

              • Roar Guru

                July 9th 2017 @ 10:09pm
                AdelaideDocker said | July 9th 2017 @ 10:09pm | ! Report

                You know that’s not what I mean 😉

                It probably will be a close one, though.

              • Roar Guru

                July 9th 2017 @ 10:35pm
                Cat said | July 9th 2017 @ 10:35pm | ! Report

                Take it from me, if you’re on the right side of it a blowout can be quite good. It’s stress relieving and a reminder to just enjoy it sometimes

              • July 9th 2017 @ 10:45pm
                Mattician6x6 said | July 9th 2017 @ 10:45pm | ! Report

                Turn it up cat

              • Roar Guru

                July 9th 2017 @ 11:07pm
                AdelaideDocker said | July 9th 2017 @ 11:07pm | ! Report

                You two do realise that I did mean a blow-out win.

                Obviously a blow-out loss will do nothing to help Freo, but a blow-out win against West Coast would be a very very good result.

                Hell, any win would be a great result.

              • July 9th 2017 @ 11:20pm
                Mattician6x6 said | July 9th 2017 @ 11:20pm | ! Report

                a blow out loss would be better 😉

            • Roar Guru

              July 10th 2017 @ 12:05am
              Dalgety Carrington said | July 10th 2017 @ 12:05am | ! Report

              We’ll take the close ones that came against Brad Scott rather than the one against Chris Scott any day.

      • Editor

        July 10th 2017 @ 9:02am
        Josh Elliott said | July 10th 2017 @ 9:02am | ! Report

        I almost feel glad knowing that my heartbreak brings you joy, AD… almost.

    • July 9th 2017 @ 7:32pm
      Mattician6x6 said | July 9th 2017 @ 7:32pm | ! Report

      If there is any silver lining for west coast it is fact we were nowhere near as bad as Richmond.
      Match committee need to realise you can’t carry Mitchell and pridda in same 22. Port used width and overlap run to expose us and some hard calls need to be made.

      • July 10th 2017 @ 8:22am
        Birdman said | July 10th 2017 @ 8:22am | ! Report

        Priddus and Mitchell are def. a risk against run and gun sides like Port.

      • Editor

        July 10th 2017 @ 9:03am
        Josh Elliott said | July 10th 2017 @ 9:03am | ! Report

        It is going to be interesting to see what list calls the Eagles make at the end of the year, definitely.

        • July 10th 2017 @ 1:16pm
          Mattician6x6 said | July 10th 2017 @ 1:16pm | ! Report

          Going to need to be ruthless, have a limited window with JK and have extracted as much as they can from current extended group.
          A astute trading and draft period will see them there abouts quickly again.
          Can still make finals but every post needs to be a winner from now on.

        • July 10th 2017 @ 2:56pm
          Jolly Roger said | July 10th 2017 @ 2:56pm | ! Report

          yes, they should’ve addressed the ‘pace’ issue, moreso, at last draft. but if they shed anyone, I guess these names will be in the mix- priddis, mitchell, petrie, lecras, butler, hurn, schofield, masten, hill, wellingham.
          Priddis for another year is simply too much to bear!! when questioned on his lack of pace, the coach replied “but he still thinks fast”- thats working well?
          theres been an anti-priddis legion for years, citing his lack of pace and kicking skills.
          eagles actually have a raft of 2nd tier/next level players in the 22, or waiting for a crack. mids like partington, venables, snadden. forwards like tunbridge, lamb, allen, waterman. a speedster in bayok. a potential wirrapunda in watson.
          if eagles chopped out 6-8 players and replaced them with speed and grunt and skills, might be a good thing. replacing the coach might help also? ((;
          then theres Nic Nat?

          • July 10th 2017 @ 4:52pm
            Mattician6x6 said | July 10th 2017 @ 4:52pm | ! Report

            Agree with that list. Problem isn’t that they have lost skill it is the game has gone past them.

          • July 11th 2017 @ 8:44am
            I ate pies said | July 11th 2017 @ 8:44am | ! Report

            Priddis was the worst brownlow medal winner since Shane Woewodin. He only got one because he has 40 touches every game; 38 of those are useless one metre handballs, but the umps look at possessions before they give votes.

    • Roar Guru

      July 9th 2017 @ 7:35pm
      hairy fat man said | July 9th 2017 @ 7:35pm | ! Report

      Still in the horrors about not backing a draw on Saturday. The anti-anxiety medication is helping, thankfully.

      As I said in a previous comment, if this group of Bulldogs players never go near another Grand Final, it will only add to the mystique of last year’s triumph. I don’t think they have anywhere near the class of the Hawks, tbh, so this is a real possibility.

      • Editor

        July 10th 2017 @ 9:04am
        Josh Elliott said | July 10th 2017 @ 9:04am | ! Report

        I think it was a really a nice dovetail between a group of quality veterans and a group of elite young talent – they probably now will need to wait another couple of years until the young talent becomes mature, as Hawthorn did and as Port Adelaide have recently finished.

    • Roar Guru

      July 9th 2017 @ 7:37pm
      Peppsy said | July 9th 2017 @ 7:37pm | ! Report

      Take 7:
      For a team with no good young players, Hawthorn have some very good young players

      • Roar Guru

        July 9th 2017 @ 7:54pm
        Cat said | July 9th 2017 @ 7:54pm | ! Report

        Take 8 for a team that has no one after dangerwood, Geelong had a host of contributors in Blicavs, Duncan, Parsons and Murdoch to name a few

        • July 9th 2017 @ 8:21pm
          Mattician6x6 said | July 9th 2017 @ 8:21pm | ! Report

          Easy to look good against brissy.

          • Roar Guru

            July 9th 2017 @ 8:36pm
            Cat said | July 9th 2017 @ 8:36pm | ! Report

            Tell that to the teams who have lost to them. No one else has kicked a higher score all year. There’s also last weeks draw, away, against the then ladder leaders when Menegola, Duncan and three debutants stoop up.

            • July 9th 2017 @ 8:43pm
              Mattician6x6 said | July 9th 2017 @ 8:43pm | ! Report

              You did what a finals bound team should do against a team entrenched to bottom of ladder, will need to turn it on like that against a comparable team away from home to really silence us doubters out there.

              • Roar Guru

                July 9th 2017 @ 8:56pm
                Cat said | July 9th 2017 @ 8:56pm | ! Report

                I have no doubt at all that there is absolutely nothing Geelong could do that would satisfy you and that’s okay.

                I couldn’t be happier with the last two weeks and the way the side is shaping up. We’re getting players back, some kids are proving they belong. The game plan is evolving. We’re starting to play solid footy instead of just one big quarter here and there. A month ago we wouldn’t have run up the highest score of the year, we’d have eased off and won by a small margin.

              • July 9th 2017 @ 9:09pm
                Mattician6x6 said | July 9th 2017 @ 9:09pm | ! Report

                By years end we will see who is right and who was wrong.

              • Roar Guru

                July 9th 2017 @ 9:23pm
                Cat said | July 9th 2017 @ 9:23pm | ! Report

                We could both end up wrong

              • July 9th 2017 @ 9:28pm
                Mattician6x6 said | July 9th 2017 @ 9:28pm | ! Report

                No doubt, it’s going to be who peaks at right time of year again.

              • Roar Guru

                July 9th 2017 @ 9:52pm
                Cat said | July 9th 2017 @ 9:52pm | ! Report

                If I learned anything from 2008 is it doesn’t matter how good you are any day except the last game of the year.

              • July 10th 2017 @ 8:24am
                Birdman said | July 10th 2017 @ 8:24am | ! Report

                I’m getting the sense that the lid’s coming off down at Kardinia Park.

              • July 10th 2017 @ 11:21am
                Mattician6x6 said | July 10th 2017 @ 11:21am | ! Report

                I thought they blew the lid as soon as Dangerfield signed and just kept it off 😉

        • Editor

          July 10th 2017 @ 9:07am
          Josh Elliott said | July 10th 2017 @ 9:07am | ! Report

          Hey, I promised no more Dangerwood takes and I’m sticking to it.

      • Editor

        July 10th 2017 @ 9:06am
        Josh Elliott said | July 10th 2017 @ 9:06am | ! Report

        Burton and Sicily I’d be confident on being valuable going forward, Hardwick looks likely too. Langford, Hartung, Howe etc could all get there too.

        • July 10th 2017 @ 1:35pm
          DH said | July 10th 2017 @ 1:35pm | ! Report

          Langford, Hartung and Howe have been around for a while now.

          For midfielders, they don’t appear to be improving, rather just getting more games because the rest of the team ahead of them has fallen away.

          Most midfielders can be judged around 21 years of age, not many who become stars aren’t stars already by 21. Some like Powell-Pepper, Bont, Dangerfield, Hodge and Selwood are guns at 18-19.

      • July 10th 2017 @ 1:32pm
        DH said | July 10th 2017 @ 1:32pm | ! Report

        Why, because they drew with GWS in Tassie? Geelong drew with GWS in Sydney with 3 first-gamers.

        If Hawthorn’s youth are good, Geelong’s must be phenomenal. (They’re not).

        • Roar Guru

          July 10th 2017 @ 7:41pm
          Peppsy said | July 10th 2017 @ 7:41pm | ! Report

          Well no, Geelong have a Brownlow medalist and hawthorn don’t, and Geelong aren’t missing their 4 best defenders of last season.

          There’s a lot more responsibility on the Hawthorn young guys than Geelongs.

    • Roar Pro

      July 9th 2017 @ 8:48pm
      Andrew Macdougall said | July 9th 2017 @ 8:48pm | ! Report

      Still not sure if Bucks is truly to blame, the players like him and they play for him. First job for a coach is to find that in a playing group.

      Some games you watch and notice how well setup the Pies are, then it falls in a heap. Bucks is a great talker and communicator. Seems like a decent enough coach, but you can’t coach basic skill errors and poor decision making. In saying all that, Bucks and the selection committee have made some questionable choices week to week. Bucks I suppose is partly to blame, but I think there is a lot more to it than that. But it all does stop with the coach.

      Pies have talent, and in my opinion shouldn’t be as low as they are.

      • Roar Guru

        July 9th 2017 @ 8:58pm
        Cat said | July 9th 2017 @ 8:58pm | ! Report

        Which players have actually improved their skills under Buckley? Which players have gone up a grade from C to B grade, B to A or A to A+?

        • July 10th 2017 @ 8:27am
          Birdman said | July 10th 2017 @ 8:27am | ! Report

          even guys like Greenwood have gone backwards since arriving at Collingwood

        • July 10th 2017 @ 9:03am
          Bretto said | July 10th 2017 @ 9:03am | ! Report

          Cat – talk about hitting the nail on the head. Who has improved indeed. The list of improvements since taking over a GF side in 2011:


        • Roar Guru

          July 10th 2017 @ 9:21am
          JamesH said | July 10th 2017 @ 9:21am | ! Report

          Dunn, Thomas, Grundy and Fasolo are probably the only names I can give you off the top of my head. That’s a bit of an indictment on Bucks.

          Seeing how well Marley Williams is travelling at the Roos must be a bit painful for Pies fans too, given that they have a real lack of run and carry at the moment.

          • July 10th 2017 @ 10:26am
            Peter the Scribe said | July 10th 2017 @ 10:26am | ! Report

            Marley still can’t kick….North are a bottom two team so he gets away with it….

        • July 10th 2017 @ 10:26am
          Peter the Scribe said | July 10th 2017 @ 10:26am | ! Report

          “Which players have gone up a grade from C to B grade, B to A or A to A+?”
          Brodie Grundy, Jeremy Howe, Brayden Maynard, Travis Varcoe, Jamie Elliot, Hoskin-Elliot, Jordan De Goey, James Aish….I could keep going…..all of these players have improved their overall footy under Buckley. As for who has improved “skills” that’s a pretty moot question for all clubs…players generally have a set of skills they are born with/nurtured in their junior footy years with… and the skills such as kicking and marking don’t improve much, tackling as a skill can improve, their reading of the play can improve…..but Cat name me players at Geelong who’s kicking and marking has improved?

          • Roar Guru

            July 10th 2017 @ 12:52pm
            Cat said | July 10th 2017 @ 12:52pm | ! Report

            Aish is the same player he was when you overpaid to get him in a trade. He hasn’t gotten better. Same thing for Hoskin-Elliot and Aish. No growth at all.
            Varcoe improved? Laughable. Regressed more like it.
            I’ll give you Howe. The position change has done him good.
            De Goey is the same c grader he was last year. Statisically almost identical to last year. No growth what so ever. Maynard is still a C grader making about a 1% improvement by year. At that rate he may retire a C+ player.
            Grundy is a solid B grade player who was massively hyped to be the greatest ruckman ever – hasn’t even come close.
            Shame Elliott (that’s the correct spelling of your own players name since you seem not to know) can’t seem to stay on the park, he might be one of your best if he could.

            • July 10th 2017 @ 1:33pm
              Peter the Scribe said | July 10th 2017 @ 1:33pm | ! Report

              Grundy is 23, most rucks peak at 25-27…he is going along beautifully…Varcoe is a much improved player with the Pies than with your Cats. Aish was a high pick by Brisbane (7), not us, we got him for pick 26… By the way, how did that Mitch Clark trade work out Cat?

              • Roar Guru

                July 10th 2017 @ 1:44pm
                Cat said | July 10th 2017 @ 1:44pm | ! Report

                Varcoe is better?

                With Pies:
                Disposals down
                Tackle down
                Goals down
                Games per year down
                I50 down
                Clearances down
                CP down

      • July 9th 2017 @ 10:44pm
        Gecko said | July 9th 2017 @ 10:44pm | ! Report

        Some questionable comments about the Pies from Andrew and Josh.

        ‘The players like him [Bucks]’ and he’s a ‘great communicator’. Bucks is a great communicator with the media but different communication skills are required for coaching footballers. After six years, we can’t keep blaming everybody else.

        Josh your ‘blue collar’ midfield comment seems strange given that we have both Treloar and Pendles who are classy, and given that the Bulldogs proved last year that a premiership can be won with just one classy midfielder surrounded by blue collar ones.

        • July 10th 2017 @ 5:17am
          Chris said | July 10th 2017 @ 5:17am | ! Report

          RUN HOME:
          1. Gold Coast Away;
          2. West Coast Home;
          3. Adelaide Home;
          4. North Melbourne Away;
          5. Port Adelaide Away;
          6. Geelong Home;
          7. Melbourne Home;
          I accept the fact that nothing is over until the fat lady comes out to sing. The truth is that there are seven games to be played and could either be won or lost. The last four losses could be attributable to a mid-season slump. Assuming that the pressure of making finals has gone, it leaves the team to play out the season and try to keep their contracts and retain a level of self-respect. I would be emphasizing to Bucks, the coaching panel and all the playing staff that they are all playing for their football lives and nothing truer could be said. If they decide to put a few together and come home with a wet sail then he would have saved his job. Right? Then he has to leave all the stats boards and assistants and address the situation with as much nerve and daring as he has never shown before. Radical positional changes and a change in personnel because apparently the current approach has been proven to be nothing short of an abject failure.
          LINE UP
          B: Maynard; Schade; Keefe;
          HB: Ramsay; McLarty; Scharrenberg;
          C: Sidebottom; Treloar; Hoskin-Elliott ;
          HF: Kirby; Reid; Fasolo;
          F:Daicos; Elliott; Cox.
          F: Grundy; Pendlebury; Adams
          Interchange: Broomhead; Aish; Smith; Langdon

          I have deliberately left out Goldsack, Varcoe, Greenwood, Dunne, Blair etc. These guys have been loyal servants and can fill voids but it is not about that. It is about seeing if our bravery will pay off. Fortune favours the brave and sticking to the old war horses that have proven themselves able but not likely to go that extra step makes no sense. Besides, at present he has lost his job in the eyes of all and sundry, so what else is there to be done but throw the dice and give it everything you’ve got. It’s like an Aussie cricket team going for a total rebuild, and hoping for a series win. It is possible and that has been proven before. So let’s try an AB…..

          • Roar Guru

            July 10th 2017 @ 9:27am
            JamesH said | July 10th 2017 @ 9:27am | ! Report

            Did you mean to leave out Moore?

          • July 10th 2017 @ 10:37am
            Peter the Scribe said | July 10th 2017 @ 10:37am | ! Report

            Chris, nice to hear someone offering some pro-active thinking as someone who actually follows the club closely like myself. It’s such a yawn hearing all these nuff nuffs in here having a crack at the Pies when 90% of them know very little about our players or club.Comments abound from guys like Paul D in here who called Sidebottom a spud, Cat…who continually gets names of our players wrong and thought the Coll v Geel grand final was in 2013. (By the way Cat I remind you – since the 2011 grand final the number of flags for Geelong = 0, Number for Collingwood = 0) Chris, I like your lateral thinking….can’t see it happening but perhaps leaving Ben Reid out a couple of weeks ago was the start. (By the way all the Bucks critics who had a go at that decision-how did Ben go against Essendon?)
            I think Chris we will see Kirby, Aish, Mayne and maybe Keefe come in this week, Daicos not ready yet.

            • Roar Guru

              July 10th 2017 @ 10:54am
              Paul D said | July 10th 2017 @ 10:54am | ! Report

              Haha, are you still butthurt about that. I said at the time it was mainly aimed at his attitude, moreso than his ability – but actually, on review I stand by it. He’s just another player who Collingwood fans say is a brilliant talent, even though the rest of the comp doesn’t agree. Has never got more than 9 brownlow votes in a season, never been All-Australia, yeah he can play and does a solid role for you guys but that’s about it, solid but unspectacular. Like everyone at Collingwood. How Pendles has escaped criticism for presiding over a club that has spent 6 years going backwards while Gaz Ablett got flogged all the time for being a disinterested captain is beyond me.

              • July 10th 2017 @ 11:09am
                Peter the Scribe said | July 10th 2017 @ 11:09am | ! Report

                Paul D…..let’s be clear about Sidebottom’s attitude. always either first or second in the time trials straight after the breaks, never had any discipline issues, team player…gun.
                You are embarrassing yourself now and giving the game away. You can type fast and like to have your online thesaurus handy but anyone that questions whether Sidebottom is elite in attitude and ability, clearly knows little about the game. You backed this up by tipping your team to give the Cats a fright…gee they must’ve been terrified right up into that 85 point mark! Pendles prepares like no other, drives his teammates to perform and is a top ten player in the competition, don’t know what more you expect him to do.

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                July 10th 2017 @ 11:12am
                Paul D said | July 10th 2017 @ 11:12am | ! Report

                Yes, a gun who’s yet to poll double figures in the Brownlow after 8 years – take your hand off it mate. Also, if you’re going to quote me, at least have the guts to say in full what I said

                “Coming off our win, I reckon we can give Geelong a good shake. They have a knack of losing to teams that won’t make the 8. Either that, or we will come in overconfident and get reminded by an ultra-professional outfit how much more work we’ve yet to do. Interesting times either way.”

                Your focus on my intellect only reveals your own paucity of & insecurity about your own.

            • Roar Guru

              July 10th 2017 @ 12:56pm
              Cat said | July 10th 2017 @ 12:56pm | ! Report

              Cat…who continually gets names of our players wrong and thought the Coll v Geel grand final was in 2013. (By the way Cat I remind you – since the 2011 grand final the number of flags for Geelong = 0, Number for Collingwood = 0)

              Please quote one example of me getting a Collingwood player name incorrect. As for the year of Geelong’s domination over Collingwood, I have always known it was 2011. I have never gotten it wrong. Again, feel free to quote me where I did.
              Paul D has already shown you have memory issues. He has proven you to inaccurately remember what was actually said.

            • July 10th 2017 @ 1:53pm
              Gecko said | July 10th 2017 @ 1:53pm | ! Report

              It’s about time Collingwood had its own version of Don Freo.

        • July 10th 2017 @ 5:20am
          Chris said | July 10th 2017 @ 5:20am | ! Report

          Our arch enemy have gone for broke and found some decent players and we are being restrained reserved and insipid. Not good enough!

          • July 10th 2017 @ 8:47am
            Pumping Dougie said | July 10th 2017 @ 8:47am | ! Report

            Yep, Carlton have recruited well whilst Collingwood’s recruitment strategy (and dollars contracted) during the summer was appalling.

            • July 10th 2017 @ 8:56am
              GJ said | July 10th 2017 @ 8:56am | ! Report

              Its been happening for a while a Collingwood. Anyone remember Quentin Lynch?

              • July 10th 2017 @ 10:39am
                Peter the Scribe said | July 10th 2017 @ 10:39am | ! Report

                “Its been happening for a while a Collingwood. Anyone remember Quentin Lynch? “: – they got him for next to nothing…was worth a crack as a Leigh Brown type but injuries curtailed it.

              • July 10th 2017 @ 11:02am
                Mattician6x6 said | July 10th 2017 @ 11:02am | ! Report

                Never understood why pies took him, even at his best it was the midfield that made him look good.

              • July 10th 2017 @ 11:34am
                GJ said | July 10th 2017 @ 11:34am | ! Report

                PtS – maybe they got him nothing. That is not the point I was making. A lot of people are looking and questioning at the Wells and Mayne trades last year. It seems to go deeper than that, and further back into the past

              • July 10th 2017 @ 11:55am
                Birdman said | July 10th 2017 @ 11:55am | ! Report

                add Jesse White to that list of head-scratching trades

              • July 10th 2017 @ 1:59pm
                Gecko said | July 10th 2017 @ 1:59pm | ! Report

                And Graeme Teasdale, Gary Shaw, Butch Edwards, Graeme Allen…

        • Editor

          July 10th 2017 @ 9:13am
          Josh Elliott said | July 10th 2017 @ 9:13am | ! Report

          As said, it’s blue-collar once you take out Pendles. Treloar is definitely the best of what’s there after that. Bont, Macrae and Hunter are all pretty classy at the Dogs IMO plus half-forwards and half-backs who run through the middle well, which is not something Collingwood has.

          • July 10th 2017 @ 10:03am
            Aransan said | July 10th 2017 @ 10:03am | ! Report

            Josh, the lack of key position players has found out the Bulldogs this season — losing Tom Boyd and Adams with Cloke failing to fire hasn’t helped. Collingwood have focussed on midfielders at the expense of KPPs so that is a problem for them too. Developing these players can take 5 years and requires some luck at the draft as these players are hard to identify. Big money for KPPs in trading after the season?

          • July 10th 2017 @ 10:40am
            Peter the Scribe said | July 10th 2017 @ 10:40am | ! Report

            “As said, it’s blue-collar once you take out Pendles”? Josh, De Goey is going to be a gun midfielder and so will Maynard when he moves in there next season.

            • July 10th 2017 @ 12:25pm
              I ate pies said | July 10th 2017 @ 12:25pm | ! Report

              I love this attitude – it’s classic Collingwood supporter. “All of our players are guns”…They get flogged every week yet their supporters are convinced that they have the best list in the league. That acceptance of mediocrity promotes further mediocrity. It’s great stuff.

              • July 10th 2017 @ 1:48pm
                Peter the Scribe said | July 10th 2017 @ 1:48pm | ! Report

                I ate Pies….never said that. De Goey and Maynard are going to be elite, so is Grundy and Moore…most teams are striving for an elite 5 or 6…we have Sidebottom, Treloar, Pendles, Howe and Jamie Elliott .Treloar is playing injured and they will soon give him a spell and set him for 2018.

              • July 10th 2017 @ 2:27pm
                I ate pies said | July 10th 2017 @ 2:27pm | ! Report

                Haha Peter, you’re still doing it. You did it further up the page too, and now you’re saying that half the Collingwood team will be “elite” next year. If that’s the case they’re a sure thing to finish top 4 next year…hahaha, good stuff.

            • Editor

              July 10th 2017 @ 1:22pm
              Josh Elliott said | July 10th 2017 @ 1:22pm | ! Report

              Both have potential, definitely – the main reason I’ve argued for Buckley to keep his job is that there’s still a lot of youth yet to make their mark.

              • July 10th 2017 @ 1:54pm
                Peter the Scribe said | July 10th 2017 @ 1:54pm | ! Report

                Josh I agree totally. They need to sign Buckley right now when Eddie gets back this week. Give him three years and get set for 2018. Players who you would think can only improve include Moore, Grundy, Maynard, De Goey. Players already there include Treloar, Pendles, Sidebottom, Howe. Wells was a gamble that may still have some moments to come yet. Mayne, it seems a mistake but all clubs make those.

              • July 10th 2017 @ 11:25pm
                Tricky said | July 10th 2017 @ 11:25pm | ! Report

                Youth – on the face of it yeah, however the list is the 6th most experienced and 10th oldest so to use the “green” factor as a “factor” as Nathan has been is folly really. To say publicly in the presser against hawks that “players don’t reach peak until late 20’s” is probably damaging to those on the list that are not late 20’s. To compound this Pert said 3 years ago we’d flag – that’s this year so going on that Nathan and Gary disagree it seems.

                We have LOTS OF PROBLEMS!!

          • Roar Guru

            July 10th 2017 @ 12:58pm
            Cat said | July 10th 2017 @ 12:58pm | ! Report

            You left out the Dogs also have a coach who can get the best of the players (at least for a year) … Collingwood don’t.

            • July 10th 2017 @ 2:39pm
              Pumping Dougie said | July 10th 2017 @ 2:39pm | ! Report

              Actually two years Cat – 2015 & 2016 (voted Coach of the Year by his peers twice – probably won’t get many votes this year though.)

      • Editor

        July 10th 2017 @ 9:10am
        Josh Elliott said | July 10th 2017 @ 9:10am | ! Report

        I’m not sold that if you give Buckley a united, positive environment he will actually turn out to be at all successful, but I do feel like he should be genuinely given that chance.

        • July 10th 2017 @ 10:07am
          Aransan said | July 10th 2017 @ 10:07am | ! Report

          The chance is gone and I believe Buckley is only partly at fault. He should have done an apprenticeship away from Collingwood. How would he go as an assistant coach somewhere else?

          • July 10th 2017 @ 11:56am
            Birdman said | July 10th 2017 @ 11:56am | ! Report

            a couple of years under Clarko will sort him out

            • July 10th 2017 @ 1:45pm
              Nineteen said | July 10th 2017 @ 1:45pm | ! Report

              If he did come he should do the right thing and take a work experience wage of $5 a day

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              July 10th 2017 @ 10:17pm
              InvisiblePJs said | July 10th 2017 @ 10:17pm | ! Report

              a couple of years under Bolts will sort him out!

          • July 10th 2017 @ 1:21pm
            Mattician6x6 said | July 10th 2017 @ 1:21pm | ! Report

            Should always go away and do a year or two in another environment, best thing woosha did was go to Carlton and worked as assistant under parkin before taking over at west coast, would have been catastrophic if he went straight from captain to coach at eagles.

          • Editor

            July 10th 2017 @ 1:24pm
            Josh Elliott said | July 10th 2017 @ 1:24pm | ! Report

            Agree Aransan. It’s been said by a few that it’s best to do your playing career, apprenticeship, and senior coaching across at least three different clubs, and I agree.

            • July 10th 2017 @ 1:35pm
              Aransan said | July 10th 2017 @ 1:35pm | ! Report

              Josh, would Buckley still have a future in coaching away from Collingwood?

    • July 9th 2017 @ 9:24pm
      Kaniel Outis said | July 9th 2017 @ 9:24pm | ! Report

      Our midfield is one paced. We need more speed in the middle. At the end of the year we should draft players with outside dash. Daw should be the number one ruck. Hopefully Pruess can recover quickly from his injury, as he can play forward and ruck. Given we are rebuilding it is imperative that we play Pruess asap. Mountford has shown a bit this season. He kicked a good goal today.

      Our record in close games is abysmal: 2 wins and 14 losses, under Brad Scott. Some fans are saying he should be sacked at the end of the season. I feel he should see out his contract as we are stable and unified. Scott has a great rapport with the players.

      Very disappointing to lose another close one, but full credit to Fremantle.

      • July 9th 2017 @ 9:52pm
        Swannies said | July 9th 2017 @ 9:52pm | ! Report

        North need to ditch Scott asap. He has clearly gone stale and seen his team’s confidence plummet since June last year aka Ross Lyon. He’s like krptonite around North the moment.

        • Roar Guru

          July 9th 2017 @ 10:01pm
          Cat said | July 9th 2017 @ 10:01pm | ! Report

          Why don’t you stick to sorting out your mobs issues and stop taking cheap shots at the Roos ever chance you get swannies?

      • July 10th 2017 @ 6:57am
        Nineteen said | July 10th 2017 @ 6:57am | ! Report

        Prior to his injury why haven’t North been playing Preuss? At the start of the season he looked like an absolute wrecking machine and someone that you’d definitely want on the track.

      • July 10th 2017 @ 7:48am
        I ate pies said | July 10th 2017 @ 7:48am | ! Report

        North need to delist Daw at the soonest opportunity. I can’t believe they’ve spent so much time on him. He’s not improving, he’s a spud.

      • Editor

        July 10th 2017 @ 9:14am
        Josh Elliott said | July 10th 2017 @ 9:14am | ! Report

        The Roos did look to draft some speed last year – Simpkin is fast, Josh Williams is too. Suspect it will be a focus again this year.

      • July 10th 2017 @ 10:11am
        Aransan said | July 10th 2017 @ 10:11am | ! Report

        Perhaps Brad Scott isn’t a good match day coach, there are a few head coaches around with that problem. If that is the case such a coach needs someone in the box who is good in this regard and that advice should be acted on.

      • July 10th 2017 @ 10:42am
        Peter the Scribe said | July 10th 2017 @ 10:42am | ! Report

        Kaniel….some are also saying a Nathan Buckley for Brad Scott swap…would you take that?

        • July 10th 2017 @ 12:34pm
          Kaniel Outis said | July 10th 2017 @ 12:34pm | ! Report

          No I would rather stick with Brad Scott.

          • July 10th 2017 @ 12:49pm
            Pope Paul VII said | July 10th 2017 @ 12:49pm | ! Report

            Spot on. Why would they want Buckley? North made finals 4 years in a row under Scott. High draft picks, cash to splash. The future hasn’t been this bright for ages.

            • July 10th 2017 @ 1:20pm
              Peter the Scribe said | July 10th 2017 @ 1:20pm | ! Report

              Because the talk is if Buckley is not re-signed (and I hope he is) they will go big dollars for Brad Scott who spent his assistant years with Pert and Eddie at the Holden Centre. They know how good he is and won’t take a punt on an untried assistant like a Barker or Burns.

              • Roar Guru

                July 10th 2017 @ 1:31pm
                Cat said | July 10th 2017 @ 1:31pm | ! Report

                or an untried assistant like … Buckley? Bahahahaha.

              • July 10th 2017 @ 1:36pm
                Pope Paul VII said | July 10th 2017 @ 1:36pm | ! Report

                Still, Braddles would be mad to leave NM with the position they will be in.