State of Origin 3: The definitive stats preview

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    I haven’t been this excited about an Origin game since the 1990s. At Suncorp Stadium, an ageing – yet brilliant – triumvirate of Storm legends must try and pull off the greatest escape in Origin history, without their old comrade from the north, Johnathan Thurston.

    The southern invaders must once more attempt to sack the most parochial and hostile of castles: Lang Park. There is no question their side has the talent. But do they have the brains, leadership and nerve?

    If Queensland win, it will be one of the all-time great comebacks – like Rocky Balboa against Ivan Drago. If New South Wales win it will finally kill off this superb Queensland dynasty, once and for all.

    I’m dying to see what happens.

    Let’s look at the stats to see what clues they give us.

    More Origin 3 coverage:
    » Game 3 match report: Maroons keep their dynasty alive after smashing the Blues
    » Five talking points from Origin Game 3
    » WATCH: Highlights from Origin Game 3
    » How it happened: Re-live Game 3 with our Origin live scores, blog and highlights

    Where was State of Origin 2 won?
    Between the ears. The Blues went into halftime up 16-6 and, in front of a home crowd, they should have closed it out and claimed the series. Instead, they stopped dead in the water and somehow the Maroons conjured a victory, with Thurston slotting the winning conversion under immense pressure.

    Basically, while clearly the stronger team, NSW lacked the leadership and focus to finish Queensland off. And you must finish Queensland off or they’ll weave their strange magic and come out on top.

    Age and minutes in the legs = NSW – just
    After there being a huge gulf in New South Wales favour in Game 1, Queensland have closed the gap right up.

    NSW Age Minutes QLD Age Minutes
    James Tedesco 24 75.6 Billy Slater 34 77.7
    Blake Ferguson 27 79.1 Valentine Holmes 21 80
    Josh Dugan 27 73.7 Will Chambers 29 78.5
    Jarryd Hayne 29 72.2 Michael Morgan 25 80.7
    Brett Morris 30 80 Dane Gagai 26 80
    James Maloney 31 80 Cameron Munster 22 77.1
    Mitchell Pearce 28 80.2 Cooper Cronk 33 78
    Aaron Woods 26 56.1 Dylan Napa 24 47.1
    Nathan Peats 26 78.4 Cameron Smith 34 80
    Andrew Fifita 28 54.3 Jarrod Wallace 25 59.6
    Josh Jackson 26 76.7 Gavin Cooper 31 80.5
    Boyd Cordner 25 78.8 Matt Gillett 28 75.6
    Tyson Frizell 25 62.7 Josh McGuire 27 63.1
    David Klemmer 23 57.6 Ben Hunt 27 74.3
    Wade Graham 26 77.1 Josh Papalii 25 80.1
    Jake Trbojevic 23 75.3 Coen Hess 20 59.5
    Jack Bird 22 80 Tim Glasby 28 42.6
    Total 446 1237.8 Total 459 1214.4
    Average 26.2 72.8   27 72
    Forwards 25.3 68.5 26.9 65.3
    Backs 27.25 77.6 27.1 79.4

    While the NSW forwards still have a bit more match conditioning than their opponents from north of the border, it is only three minutes per pig on average.

    In regards to the age profile, Queensland is slightly older on average – but only just. However, the Maroons have three players under the age of 23 (Hess – 20, Holmes – 21, and Munster – 22). NSW have only Jack Bird (22). Conversely, the Maroons have four players 30 and over (Smith, Slater, Cronk, Cooper).

    The Blues have only Maloney and Morris. So while the average ages are similar, the Blues’ median age is far closer to the average, whereas the Maroons average is made up of golden oldies teamed up with very young players. Can those older players still hold their ground if the Blues pack gets back to its rampaging best?

    Runs and metres = New South Wales
    These stats will be vital to who wins and the Blues are clearly on top here.

    NSW Runs Metres QLD Runs Metres
    James Tedesco 16.9 172.5 Billy Slater 15 126
    Blake Ferguson 15.3 142.8 Valentine Holmes 16.9 180.1
    Josh Dugan 16.3 160.4 Will Chambers 13.4 118.7
    Jarryd Hayne 12.7 104.9 Michael Morgan 10.5 76.5
    Brett Morris 11.9 104.3 Dane Gagai 13.4 126.5
    James Maloney 9.6 72.4 Cameron Munster 13.4 113.1
    Mitchell Pearce 10.6 65.2 Cooper Cronk 8.9 61
    Aaron Woods 17 158.5 Dylan Napa 12 104.9
    Nathan Peats 4.4 33.9 Cameron Smith 8.5 56.5
    Andrew Fifita 16.8 152.8 Jarrod Wallace 15.7 145.5
    Josh Jackson 11.9 103.1 Gavin Cooper 9.7 85.9
    Boyd Cordner 16.1 154.2 Matt Gillett 11.3 95.7
    Tyson Frizell 10.3 101.9 Josh McGuire 17.1 154.5
    David Klemmer 16 152.1 Ben Hunt 8.9 58.1
    Wade Graham 13.4 120.6 Josh Papalii 14.5 145.3
    Jake Trbojevic 14.5 137.5 Coen Hess 11.5 110.7
    Jack Bird 13.8 117.9 Tim Glasby 10.1 91.5
    Total 227.5 2055 Total 210.8 1850.5
    Average 13.4 120.9   12.4 108.9
    Forwards 13.4 123.9 12.3 110
    Backs 13.4 117.5 12.5 107.5

    NSW looks nearly 200 metres better than Queensland, off the back off 17 more runs. The Blues forwards average 14 more metres each than their counterparts. Those extra metres are only on the back of one extra run per forward on average. So, basically, the NSW forwards do more damage.

    Further, for NSW only Nathan Peats averages less than 100 metres a game. Queensland have Smith, Cooper, Gillett and Glasby who all have sub-100 averages.

    While the massive disparity from Game 1 has closed up, the Blues pack is clearly better on average. This is possibly the key stat for predicting the result in NSW’s favour.

    Tackles and missed tackles = NSW – just
    There are issues for both sides here but, again, NSW look to have a slight advantage.

    NSW Tackles Missed Tackles Missed tackle to tackle ratio QLD Tackles Missed Tackles Missed tackle to tackle ratio
    James Tedesco 3.3 1.4 42.4% Billy Slater 5.8 2.3 39.7%
    Blake Ferguson 4.5 1.9 42.2% Valentine Holmes 2.8 1.1 39.3%
    Josh Dugan 3.6 1.4 38.9% Will Chambers 16.8 2.6 15.5%
    Jarryd Hayne 8.3 1.4 16.9% Michael Morgan 13.3 3 22.5%
    Brett Morris 6 0.8 13.3% Dane Gagai 12.6 3.2 25.4%
    James Maloney 13.6 5.9 43.4% Cameron Munster 19 2.6 13.7%
    Mitchell Pearce 21.4 2.6 12.1% Cooper Cronk 14.2 1.2 8.4%
    Aaron Woods 26.4 1.2 4.5% Dylan Napa 22.9 3.3 14.4%
    Nathan Peats 41.9 2.3 5.5% Cameron Smith 41.1 2.1 5.1%
    Andrew Fifita 27.9 1.6 5.7% Jarrod Wallace 33.7 1.9 5.6%
    Josh Jackson 33.8 1.9 5.6% Gavin Cooper 31.7 2 6.3%
    Boyd Cordner 31 2 6.4% Matt Gillett 37.4 3.7 9.9%
    Tyson Frizell 27.5 1.4 5.1% Josh McGuire 35.9 2.2 6.1%
    David Klemmer 22.7 1.6 7% Ben Hunt 22.9 3.9 17%
    Wade Graham 27 3.1 11.5% Josh Papalii 25.4 1.3 5.1%
    Jake Trbojevic 36.7 1 2.7% Coen Hess 22.3 1.3 5.8%
    Jack Bird 12.3 3.4 27.6% Tim Glasby 25.5 1.3 5.8%
    Total 347.9 34.9 Total 383.3 39
    Average 20.5 2 9.75%   22.5 2.3 10.2%
    Forwards 30.5 1.8 5.9% 30.7 2.1 6.8%
    Backs 9.1 2.3 25.3% 12.1 2.5 20.7%

    Queensland have four more missed tackles in them than NSW. However, the Maroons have a higher tackling capacity, making 35 more tackles overall.

    The Queensland forwards miss slightly more tackles than their opposing pack. However the NSW backs have a higher tackle to missed tackle ratio than the Queensland backs. Partially this comes down to the weak points to be targeted.

    Queensland will focus on the NSW backs. Dugan, Bird, Ferguson, Hayne and especially Maloney will have traffic coming at them. Wade Graham sometimes makes bad reads, as his missed tackle ratio suggests. He missed six tackles in Origin 2. Have a look at Jake Trbojevic’s ratio – he averages nearly 37 tackles a match for just one miss. That is remarkable. There is a strong argument that he should be in the 13 jersey now.

    NSW will again target Dylan Napa. He missed seven tackles last time around. Further, I don’t believe Michael Morgan will play in the centres. He missed eight tackles in Origin 1. My gut feeling is that he will be the bench utility and Ben Hunt will play halfback, with Cam Munster in the centres. It makes more strategic sense and works better defensively.

    Again, if NSW’s forwards get going properly I’m not sure that Queensland will be able to hold them.

    Attacking and scoring = New South Wales – just
    Once more New South Wales are slightly ahead in a category.

    NSW Tackle breaks Line break assists Line breaks Try Assists Tries QLD Tackle breaks Line break assists Line breaks Try Assists Tries
    James Tedesco 7.9 0.6 0.5 0.4 0.1 Billy Slater 4.6 0.8 0.6 0.9 0.5
    Blake Ferguson 3.1 0.1 0.7 0.1 0.6 Valentine Holmes 4.1 0.4 0.5 0.3 0.2
    Josh Dugan 6.8 0.3 0.6 0 0.3 Will Chambers 1.4 0.6 0.3 0.4 0.2
    Jarryd Hayne 1.5 0.4 0.7 0.4 0.6 Michael Morgan 3.1 0.4 0.5 0.8 0.5
    Brett Morris 3.4 0.1 0.4 0.1 0.3 Dane Gagai 5.9 0.2 0.4 0.3 0.1
    James Maloney 1.4 0.4 0.4 0.4 0.3 Cameron Munster 4 1 0.5 0.6 0
    Mitchell Pearce 2.1 0.6 0.4 0.7 0.4 Cooper Cronk 1 0.7 0.1 0.7 0.4
    Aaron Woods 0.9 0.1 0 0 0 Dylan Napa 1 0 0 0 0
    Nathan Peats 0.6 0.5 0 0.5 0 Cameron Smith 0.9 0.6 0.1 0.5 0.1
    Andrew Fifita 4.1 0.1 0.1 0.1 0.1 Jarrod Wallace 1.3 0.1 0.1 0 0
    Josh Jackson 1.1 0.1 0.2 0.1 0.1 Gavin Cooper 1.3 0.1 0.2 0 0.1
    Boyd Cordner 1.6 0 0.3 0 0.3 Matt Gillett 2.1 0.1 0.3 0.1 0.3
    Tyson Frizell 2.4 0.1 0.2 0 0.1 Josh McGuire 1.3 0 0 0 0
    David Klemmer 1.6 0 0 0 0 Ben Hunt 2.6 0.4 0.3 0.6 0.2
    Wade Graham 2.6 0.5 0.6 0.4 0.3 Josh Papalii 3.1 0.4 0.4 0.3 0.2
    Jake Trbojevic 0.9 0.2 0.3 0 0.3 Coen Hess 2.9 0 0.5 0 0.7
    Jack Bird 4.1 0.4 0.2 0.4 0.1 Tim Glasby 0.9 0.1 0.3 0.1 0.1
    Total 46.1 4.5 5.6 3.6 3.9 Total 41.5 5.9 5.1 5.6 3.6
    Average 2.7  
    Forwards 1.75 1.6 1.7 1.1  1.3 1.65 1.3 1.9 1 1.5
    Backs 3.75 2.9 3.9 2.5 2.6 3.35 4.6 3.2 4.6 2.1

    The Blues have a slight advantage in tackle breaks, with 4.4 more. They also have half an extra line break in them. This only amounts to 0.3 more tries than the Maroons, and the Queenslanders have the better try assisting stats – and that’s with Johnathan Thurston out.

    However, those numbers include the stats of debutants Cam Munster and Ben Hunt. Can they actually produce on debut in a pressure packed decider?

    Have a look at Tedesco’s 7.9 tackle breaks a game. How good is he?! And Dugan averages 6.8 to boot. Add Fifita and Bird’s 4.1 and there is danger across the park. Gagai with 5.9 tackle busts is the Maroons’ hardest man to put down, with Papalii’s 3.1 tackle breaks being the best for the Queensland forwards.

    Miscreants and fumblers = Queensland
    Queensland clearly have the edge here.

    NSW Penalties Errors QLD Penalties Errors
    James Tedesco 0.5 1.4 Billy Slater 0.3 1.1
    Blake Ferguson 0.2 1.1 Valentine Holmes 0 0.9
    Josh Dugan 0.5 0.6 Will Chambers 1.1 1
    Jarryd Hayne 0.4 0.9 Michael Morgan 0.5 1.2
    Brett Morris 0.3 0.9 Dane Gagai 0.3 0.8
    James Maloney 1.8 1.4 Cameron Munster 0.5 0.6
    Mitchell Pearce 0.6 0.9 Cooper Cronk 0.5 0.5
    Aaron Woods 0.3 0.4 Dylan Napa 0.2 0.2
    Nathan Peats 0.8 0.6 Cameron Smith 0.7 0.4
    Andrew Fifita 0.9 0.9 Jarrod Wallace 0.9 0.1
    Josh Jackson 0.9 0.7 Gavin Cooper 0.5 0.8
    Boyd Cordner 0.2 0.7 Matt Gillett 0.3 0.9
    Tyson Frizell 0.5 0.3 Josh McGuire 0.5 0.3
    David Klemmer 1 0.6 Ben Hunt 0.3 0.9
    Wade Graham 0.6 0.7 Josh Papalii 0.1 0.2
    Jake Trbojevic 0.7 0.3 Coen Hess 0.6 0.8
    Jack Bird 0.6 1.6 Tim Glasby 0.4 0.1
    Total 10.8 14 Total 7.7 10.8
    Forwards 5.9 5.2 4.2 3.8
    Backs 4.9 8.8 3.5 7

    Again, these stats say that, on average, the Blues will give Queensland six extra possessions in the game through errors and penalties conceded. As we know, the referees swallow the whistle in big matches, so the penalty count should be more like 5-4, rather than 11-8.

    However, the New South Wales side has 12 players who are a 50 per cent or better chance of conceding a penalty on average. Queensland has just nine.

    Further, Maloney, Fifita, Peats and Jackson concede a penalty every game on average. Only Chambers and Wallace are comparable for the Maroons.

    Then there is the key stat: errors. New South Wales average three more errors a game. They feature some players who are susceptible to brain explosions too: Fifita, Bird, Graham, Klemmer, Hayne and Ferguson. For Queensland only Napa has any real form in that regard.

    Cordner will need to keep his charges focused and on message.

    Experience = Even
    This stat is now almost dead level.

    NSW Origin Games QLD Origin Games
    James Tedesco 3 Billy Slater 29
    Blake Ferguson 6 Valentine Holmes 1
    Josh Dugan 11 Will Chambers 6
    Jarryd Hayne 22 Michael Morgan 7
    Brett Morris 13 Dane Gagai 6
    James Maloney 9 Cameron Munster 0
    Mitchell Pearce 17 Cooper Cronk 21
    Aaron Woods 13 Dylan Napa 2
    Nathan Peats 2 Cameron Smith 41
    Andrew Fifita 9 Jarrod Wallace 1
    Josh Jackson 7 Gavin Cooper 3
    Boyd Cordner 8 Matt Gillett 17
    Tyson Frizell 4 Josh McGuire 7
    David Klemmer 8 Ben Hunt 0
    Wade Graham 4 Josh Papalii 8
    Jake Trbojevic 2 Coen Hess 1
    Jack Bird 4 Tim Glasby 1
    Total 142 Total 151
    Average 8.35   8.9
    Forwards 6.3 9
    Backs 10.6 8.75

    With Thurston gone, and two debutants coming in, the Maroons now only boast nine more games experience over NSW. Those nine games reside with captain Cam Smith.

    The Blues backs are now considerably more experienced than their opponents. While the averages say that the Queensland forwards are more experienced, that figure is completely warped by Smith’s 41 personal games. A brief examination shows that the NSW pack is actually more experienced at Origin level.

    Queensland have eight players with three or less Origin games under their belt. NSW have just three.

    Leadership = Queensland
    I said before Origin 1 that Cordner as captain was a big call. At just 25, with six Origin games under his belt – and only half a season as captain of his club side – how was he going to go against the brutal and focused leadership of Smith, Cronk, Boyd and Thurston?

    Origin 1 went swimmingly for Cordner. However, Origin 2 showed this risk to be valid. In the second half, NSW stopped dead. Their focus disappeared, as did their gameplan.

    You didn’t have to ask Messers Smith, Slater, Cronk and Thurston twice if they wanted to take control. They weaved their Jedi mind control and the Force wasn’t strong enough yet in young Cordner to resist. Some would argue that he should still have been bullseyeing womp rats in his T-16 back home.

    Can Cordner now get his charges to rise up against the Queensland empire – on their turf, in front of a rabid home crowd?

    He does have something going for him this time: there has been a disturbance in the Queensland leadership Force. Thurston will not be there.

    In 2014, when Cronk got injured at the beginning of Game 1 and New South Wales won the first two matches to win their first series in nine years, it was assumed that Cronk was the most vital cog in the Queensland machine. However, when Thurston missed Game 1 this year and the Maroons lost, it was assumed that he was the most important piece of the leadership puzzle.

    It is my contention that for the Queenslanders to truly weave their magic, all four of their leaders need to be there: Smith, Thurston, Cronk and Slater/Boyd.

    With Thurston out the Queenslanders shields may be down, allowing the Blues to strike the killer blow.

    The verdict
    It’s very simple: if the NSW pack can get on top and stay there for the whole game – which they should – they win. Regardless of the venue and screaming Queenslanders.

    However, if the Blues get spooked – which could easily happen with so many potential loose cannons and a rookie captain – things could go horribly wrong for the New South Welshmen.

    I’ve got a gut feeling that – to quote The Who – New South Wales won’t get fooled again.

    New South Wales by 10

    Some stats of interest
    (Note: 1997 stats not included due to split competition)

    • Of the eight times that NSW have won Game 1 away from home, they have won six of those series (1985, 1986, 1993, 1996, 2003, 2014). However, in 1983 and 1987 they lost the next two games to lose the series.
    • Every time in Origin history that the winning margin in Game 1 has been 12 points or greater, the victorious side from that match has won the series.
    • This will be the 22nd Game 3 held in Brisbane. Queensland have won 14, New South Wales seven, with one draw.
    • There have been 18 Game 3 deciders in the history of State of Origin. Queensland have won 12, NSW four and there have been two draws.
    • There have been ten Game 3 deciders in Brisbane. Queensland won seven (2015, 2012, 2011, 2001, 1991, 1987, 1983), NSW two (2005, 1994) and one draw (1999)
    • The last three times a decider has been played in Brisbane, Queensland have won (2015, 2012, 2011).
    • The last time NSW won a decider in Brisbane was their 2005 series win.
    • The average score for Game 3s held in Brisbane is 22.5-16 to Queensland.
    • Game 3s are the highest scoring games in the series on average.
    • Queensland have never lost a decider if they’ve scored the first try.
    • The last Game 3 held in Brisbane was in 2015. Queensland beat New South Wales 52-6, the record defeat for the Blues. That was also the last decider held at Suncorp Stadium.
    • Of the 34 series played, the side that has used less players during the series has won 22 times. Queensland has used 26 players while New South Wales has used the same 17.
    • The last time either side used the same 17 players for a whole series was New South Wales in 1996. Laurie Daley was one of those 17. Kevin Walters was in the Queensland side.
    • This is only the fifth time either side has used the same 17 players for the entire series (Queensland 1987, Queensland 1988, Queensland 1995, NSW 1996). In every instance the side has won the series. Three of the four were whitewashes (not 1987).
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    Tim has been an NRL statistician for ABC Radio Grandstand since 1999, primarily as part of their Canberra coverage. Tim has loved rugby league since Sterlo was a kid with lots of hair but was cursed with having no personal sporting ability whatsoever. He couldn't take a hit in footy, was a third division soccer player making up numbers, plays off 41 in golf and is possibly the world's worst cricketer ever. He has always been good at arguing the point though and he has a great memory of what happened. Follow Tim on Twitter.

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    • July 12th 2017 @ 9:18am
      kk said | July 12th 2017 @ 9:18am | ! Report

      Hi Tim,

      I remain in awe at your magnificent analysis. I want to agree but I can’t.

      When the whistle blew full time on O2 the Blues were riddled with doubt.

      Observations since lead me to believe they are still in the grip of the dreaded doubt.

      Doubt can kill. Ask Greg Norman.

      My rudimentary methods have Q @16220 NSW @ 16100. I have no doubt it will be
      a close one. Q by 8, most of which will be scored in the last 10 minutes.

      • Roar Guru

        July 12th 2017 @ 9:50am
        Scott Pryde said | July 12th 2017 @ 9:50am | ! Report

        Golden point Max?

      • Columnist

        July 12th 2017 @ 5:59pm
        Tim Gore said | July 12th 2017 @ 5:59pm | ! Report

        Could go either way. I just think NSW this time. Their forward pack is so good

    • July 12th 2017 @ 9:24am
      JB said | July 12th 2017 @ 9:24am | ! Report

      Love this analysis, so comprehensive, Go the Blues.

    • Roar Guru

      July 12th 2017 @ 9:31am
      Scott Pryde said | July 12th 2017 @ 9:31am | ! Report

      These stats previews have been fantastic Tim! Great stuff and a very thorough analysis of the game.

      I just can’t agree with New South Wales winning. I know what the stats say and that they dominate in most areas, but it’s leadership and the home ground advantage that scares me the most. You compare the two spines, and I know immediately which one I want, and it won’t be wearing sky blue.

      I would love to be proven wrong, mind you.

    • July 12th 2017 @ 9:38am
      Pedro said | July 12th 2017 @ 9:38am | ! Report

      Experience. Hmmm. Mitchell Pearce will be playing his 18th origin tonight and has never played in a winning series. If the Blues get over the line tonight, which I think they will, it will be like the monkey typing Shakespeare. They will win not because of Mitchell Pearce’s experience but in spite of it.

      • July 12th 2017 @ 10:07am
        spruce moose said | July 12th 2017 @ 10:07am | ! Report

        It was the BLURST of times!?

        • July 12th 2017 @ 11:10am
          Raugeee said | July 12th 2017 @ 11:10am | ! Report


        • Roar Guru

          July 12th 2017 @ 4:35pm
          Con Scortis said | July 12th 2017 @ 4:35pm | ! Report

          That’s Dickens!

      • July 12th 2017 @ 12:24pm
        Pedro the Maroon said | July 12th 2017 @ 12:24pm | ! Report

        To pass or to kick or to run or to freeze light a bunny in a spotlight, that is the question

        • July 12th 2017 @ 6:48pm
          Matt h said | July 12th 2017 @ 6:48pm | ! Report

          It is not in the stars to hold our destiny but in ourselves.

      • July 12th 2017 @ 12:57pm
        Jara W said | July 12th 2017 @ 12:57pm | ! Report

        Considering those 17 games are what gets NSW of the line you got to wonder.

        Hard stat to capture, but another table showing how many of each players games were sole destroying would be helpful.

        • July 12th 2017 @ 1:27pm
          spruce moose said | July 12th 2017 @ 1:27pm | ! Report

          Sadly, I think we’d need shoe inspectors for that.

          • July 12th 2017 @ 4:18pm
            Jara W said | July 12th 2017 @ 4:18pm | ! Report


            *insert clever comment about using the wrong tags for a dewy track to save face*

      • July 12th 2017 @ 1:42pm
        MonkeyMayes said | July 12th 2017 @ 1:42pm | ! Report

        Hmmmm. No doubt about it Pedro. Pearce has a lot to answer for. The way he kept dragging down the other 12 players in the team in each of these performances is positively outrageous. What chance did they ever have with this millstone around their necks?

        This comment is simplistic, negative and quite depressing for a lot of reasons.

      • July 12th 2017 @ 4:28pm
        Pedro the Maroon said | July 12th 2017 @ 4:28pm | ! Report

        I think the reference is more about a room full of monkeys playing with typewriters.
        You can’t blame just one ape when you have an entire team of missing links letting down 7 million Blexicans (blue Mexicans).
        Now I am off to change my Roar nom de plume to avoid confusion … perhaps Pepe the Maroon?

    • July 12th 2017 @ 9:43am
      Raugeee said | July 12th 2017 @ 9:43am | ! Report

      A Big IF, NSW holding their nerve. If things don’t go exactly right for them, a la Game 1, they will go to water. The four debutants for QLD in Game 2 will be vastly improved. I must admit that I would feel a lot better if DCE was in there instead of Hunt. Still – I can’t see QLD losing – NSW don’t have the mental capacity. QLD 18 – 10.

      • July 12th 2017 @ 6:50pm
        Matt h said | July 12th 2017 @ 6:50pm | ! Report

        I think the DCE vs. Hunt issue is overplayed. I doubt either would change the result.

    • Roar Guru

      July 12th 2017 @ 9:43am
      The Barry said | July 12th 2017 @ 9:43am | ! Report

      Nice work Tim.

      I’d love to see Jurbo in the 13 jersey.

      There’s big advantages in him playing big minutes in the middle. While no doubt he’s still effective coming on after 20 I think he’s negated a little.

      To me Frizell has impact player written all over him. I think he’s been quiet this series and I don’t know that he’s been used effectively.

      NSW need to lose this concept of being or needing to be dominant. For all NSW ‘dominance’ of the first three halves of this series Queensland had eight clear scoring opportunities where they were held up or pulled down within a metre.

      The focus needs to be on getting the job done and not worrying about dominance.

      In the second half in game 2, several NSW forwards starting crabbing sideways and looking for easy or fancy metres instead of getting back into the grind. I think it’s possibly off the back of this dominance mindset that every run needs to be a big one instead of every run being a tough one.

      Guys like McGuire, Napa and Chambers got tough in 2nd half game two and NSW didn’t go with them.

      • Roar Guru

        July 12th 2017 @ 9:49am
        Scott Pryde said | July 12th 2017 @ 9:49am | ! Report

        Interesting point you make about Frizell being quiet all series – I agree his numbers have been, but when you think about the role he has been playing, he hasn’t. I thought he was excellent in getting to Thurston early on in Game 2.

        But I do agree Trbojevic would probably be a better option starting. I just wonder if playing big minutes in his first year of Origin is really the best option?

        • July 12th 2017 @ 10:21am
          Haradasun said | July 12th 2017 @ 10:21am | ! Report

          He has been carrying an injury. I’m worried because nsw players are all carrying so many injuries. Frizzell went off game 2 I presume because the pain killers wore off and we fell apart.

          • July 12th 2017 @ 10:43am
            Raugeee said | July 12th 2017 @ 10:43am | ! Report

            Haradsun – prior to Game 1 Daley told the media he couldn’t remember such an injury free preparation in all his Origin experience. Game 1 was perfect for NSW and it showed on the scoreboard.

            • July 12th 2017 @ 12:42pm
              Haradasun said | July 12th 2017 @ 12:42pm | ! Report

              Yes Game 2 sorry Frizzell carried a sternum injury, Dugan had a jaw injury, Teddy went off and Cordner had calf issues. Blues looked gassed and I think they were down on interchanges because they couldnt get frizzell back on

              • July 12th 2017 @ 12:46pm
                Raugeee said | July 12th 2017 @ 12:46pm | ! Report

                This time around Cordner under huge injury cloud and Daley has even said he probably won’t make 80mins! Land Park will be firm but won’t be the lightning track that suited them in Game 1.

        • Roar Guru

          July 12th 2017 @ 12:49pm
          The Barry said | July 12th 2017 @ 12:49pm | ! Report

          Hey Scott…when you think about the huge impact he had off the bench in two games last year then I think he has been very quiet relatively.

          That’s not to say he hasn’t contributed…I just think he may be best utilised off the bench.

          I usually give credit to the inside men when a big man is able to isolate a smaller one out wide. It usually means they’ve drawn and committed their men properly. But having said that I don’t recall Frizell getting one on one with JT too often. There was the big one close to the line where JT tackled him and hurt his shoulder.

          I said before the series that I thought it was a mistake trying to shoe horn specialist edge players Frizell, Cordner, Graham and Jackson into what is really only three spots (two starting, one bench). As good as they’ve played individually and win, lose or draw tonight I’m still not convinced it’s a good balance for the team.

          • July 12th 2017 @ 3:48pm
            south coast bandit said | July 12th 2017 @ 3:48pm | ! Report

            id have to agree that jurbo should start in #13 and frizell off benech for impact. I’d also make the switch in FR with Klemmer and Fifita. Qld will be ready for Fifita to start, through a spanner in and switch them.

      • July 12th 2017 @ 10:40am
        Raugeee said | July 12th 2017 @ 10:40am | ! Report

        I agree TB. That all spells confusion to me. Add the fact that Daley said Cordner probably won’t last the distance and chaos is looming large.

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        July 12th 2017 @ 2:58pm
        Kurt S said | July 12th 2017 @ 2:58pm | ! Report

        The Barry, you have mentioned it before this and I agree with you. As dominant as NSW were in game 1, QLD still made a bunch of scoring opportunities. NSW’s scrambling defence has been better this series than what I recall in the last few series and that has saved them.

        I still think NSW will try to brutally dominate the QLD forwards and just blow them off the park. It will certainly be interesting to watch.

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