Forrest indicates support for flagging Force

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    The Western Force’s bid for Super Rugby survival has received a massive boost, with billionaire mining magnate Andrew Forrest pledging he will do whatever he can to ensure the Perth-based franchise isn’t axed.

    Either the Force or Melbourne Rebels will be axed by the ARU ahead of next season.

    Forrest was front and centre as he addressed the Force player group on the field after Saturday night’s 40-11 demolition of the NSW Waratahs.

    He told Force players they have nothing to worry about.

    Forrest’s billions are a huge boost for the Force, who are growing increasingly confident they won’t be the team to be axed.

    And if the ARU do try to axe the Force, Forrest’s fortunes could potentially help bankroll any legal action.

    Earlier this year, Forrest revealed he would donate $400 million to charity.

    With Forrest joining the Force’s fight, the pressure will shift to the Melbourne Rebels.

    Rebels owner Andrew Cox has previously stated he won’t sell the licence if it means it will be immediately closed down.

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    • Roar Pro

      July 16th 2017 @ 2:19am
      Crazy Horse said | July 16th 2017 @ 2:19am | ! Report

      Competitive – 2nd in the Australian Conference, same no of wins as the 1st place team, Check

      Rugby Union growing in the state, Check

      Producing Wallabies, Check

      Financially secure:
      “Own the Force” has over $5 million in the bank
      • Twiggy Forest has $5.7 Billion dollars and has promised “whatever it takes”.
      Check

      • WA Government support. Check

      State of the Art facilities, Check

      • July 16th 2017 @ 2:51am
        Ben said | July 16th 2017 @ 2:51am | ! Report

        Whether logic filters past bias and politics to the ARU brainstrust is another “check” needed.

      • July 16th 2017 @ 8:05am
        Mattty said | July 16th 2017 @ 8:05am | ! Report

        Defeating the ARUs blessed and entitled Waratahs: check!

        But….

        There is one problem: they are the ARUs blessed and entitled Waratahs and they have priority.

        If the Force are cut Australian rugby is dead and Pulver will be publicly hanged by all supporters

      • Roar Guru

        July 16th 2017 @ 9:15am
        PeterK said | July 16th 2017 @ 9:15am | ! Report

        no doubt if a team is cut it should be the rebels.

        However what will decide this is not team performance, potential, viability , growth nor eastern bias.

        The decision is being made due to the financial hole the aru is in.

        So whichever team costs less in restitution and legal penalties applied, i.e which team has a more solid legal case (i.e promise) to stay will be kept.

        IMO it is obvious no team should be cut since any short term savings will be eaten up by the enormous payout.

        Leave 5 teams for 2 years and then when the current agreements expire and 2020 is being negotiated that will be the right time to decide if a team is cut and with no legal case to fight.

        • July 16th 2017 @ 9:47am
          Rebellion said | July 16th 2017 @ 9:47am | ! Report

          I know where you’re coming from Peter but we not only need to stem the financial bleeding but also artificial teams like the For e who pillage the player ranks from Qld and Nsw. Force fans are publicly giving their team a pat on the back atm but in reality they are still a shocking side. The only difference is 3 of the other Aus sides were even worse this year in the depth of their cycles.
          The Force will never play finals football because they’ll never be good enough. The crowds know that too which is why they don’t turn up to matches

          • July 16th 2017 @ 10:06am
            rugby tragic said | July 16th 2017 @ 10:06am | ! Report

            and the brumbies don’t do that?

            all the brumbies are also nsw/qld players and they bring in no money also

            • July 16th 2017 @ 10:17am
              Rebellion said | July 16th 2017 @ 10:17am | ! Report

              It the Brumbies have a history of providing a great rugby program for players that slip through the cracks or negligently overlooked.
              The Force have been around for 12+ years and can only really hang their hats on Coleman & DHP as case studies

              • July 16th 2017 @ 10:23am
                rugby tragic said | July 16th 2017 @ 10:23am | ! Report

                The brumbies haven’t been a genuine title contender in the last thirteen years, their crowds are low, they spend more money than they make… and theyre based in a country town.

                One GF in the past thirteen years and in that season they were lucky to get there…..hardly a compelling argument for good things in canberra.

                Its not 2000-2001 anymore

              • July 16th 2017 @ 11:37am
                Bakkies said | July 16th 2017 @ 11:37am | ! Report

                RT where did the Brumbies finish in 2013 and 2014?

                ‘One GF in the past thirteen years and in that season they were lucky to get there’

                Bullshít. The Brumbies won a semi at Loftus and were leading the Chiefs in the Final away from home a week later.

              • July 16th 2017 @ 12:35pm
                rugby tragic said | July 16th 2017 @ 12:35pm | ! Report

                bakies they were lucky to be in that final having scored after the bell in the semi

                and yes they were in front for a lot of that final.

                had they won considering theyd struggeld for most of that year it would have been a travesty

              • July 16th 2017 @ 12:43pm
                Bakkies said | July 16th 2017 @ 12:43pm | ! Report

                Like the Crusaders win in 2000? All irrelevant as the results at the end of the day don’t lie.

                The Brumbies won 10 games and drew 2 in the regular season so you are posting a lot of crap trap along with finishing 90 points ahead of the Reds on points difference.

              • July 16th 2017 @ 12:45pm
                rugby tragic said | July 16th 2017 @ 12:45pm | ! Report

                the fact that you are talking about the year 2000 is exactly my point.

                Yesterdays heroes.

              • July 16th 2017 @ 1:09pm
                Bakkies said | July 16th 2017 @ 1:09pm | ! Report

                the Waratahs are nobodies heroes. Not even in their own town

            • July 16th 2017 @ 11:35am
              Bakkies said | July 16th 2017 @ 11:35am | ! Report

              ‘all the brumbies are also nsw/qld players and they bring in no money also’

              Rubbish.

              The Brumbies cost the ARU the least to fund and develop players for the ARU cash cow which is test Rugby.

              • July 16th 2017 @ 12:36pm
                rugby tragic said | July 16th 2017 @ 12:36pm | ! Report

                The brumbies have no rights to be considered above the rebels or the force in nay category except for proximity to sydney

              • July 16th 2017 @ 12:44pm
                Bakkies said | July 16th 2017 @ 12:44pm | ! Report

                Nonsense.

              • July 16th 2017 @ 12:49pm
                rugby tragic said | July 16th 2017 @ 12:49pm | ! Report

                they produce no local talent, they produce tiny crowds, tiny interest in the game, and they had to sell their assets to not go bankrupt.

                With a pouulation of only 300,000 it is inevitavle that this will continue. They will not grow the game.

                Melbourne and the Force can recruit the leftover talent in nSW and QLD but at least Melbourne and Perth have the potential to grow the game.

              • July 16th 2017 @ 1:11pm
                Bakkies said | July 16th 2017 @ 1:11pm | ! Report

                You call yourself a Rugby Tragic?

                Melbourne are shíte and the ACT do produce Rugby talent if you bothered your arsé to do some background research before posting SMH bullshít propaganda.

          • July 16th 2017 @ 10:12am
            Rhys Bosley said | July 16th 2017 @ 10:12am | ! Report

            “….but also artificial teams like the For e who pillage the player ranks from Qld and NSW.”

            That is just an excuse for failure, QLD and NSW have both won titles during the life of the Force and Rebels, and have a massive advantage in terms of ARU supported Wallabies in their ranks. The current miserable state these teams find themselves in is directly related to poor coaching, especially in defence. Cutting a team is not going to resolve that.

          • July 16th 2017 @ 10:49am
            Ben said | July 16th 2017 @ 10:49am | ! Report

            Clown

          • Roar Pro

            July 16th 2017 @ 11:05am
            Crazy Horse said | July 16th 2017 @ 11:05am | ! Report

            There are 4 players from NSW and 2 from Queensland. The rest are either home grown or come from elsewhere.

          • Roar Guru

            July 16th 2017 @ 5:20pm
            Timbo (L) said | July 16th 2017 @ 5:20pm | ! Report

            So Billy Meaks?

            Pilfered from the Tahs – Yes or no?

            Or have you forgotten that he went to Glouster because the Tah’s couldn’t/wouldn’t recognize/develop his talent.

          • July 16th 2017 @ 5:50pm
            ScottD said | July 16th 2017 @ 5:50pm | ! Report

            What a load of bull
            The ARU declared a profit last year. If they want a bigger profit then be smarter. Any business can be 5% more efficent and if the ARU save just 5% then they will be making $10 m per year on last years results
            That is more than enough
            This whole thing is just lazy management by the ARU and some if the states and I’m calling it right here for what it is

        • Roar Guru

          July 16th 2017 @ 4:45pm
          biltongbek said | July 16th 2017 @ 4:45pm | ! Report

          Well there is rumours the Sharks want to move to pro12, maybe that saves the Aussie conundrum

      • July 16th 2017 @ 9:41am
        kaiviti said | July 16th 2017 @ 9:41am | ! Report

        Western Force, the “micky mouse” team that has finally donned the cape and become, “Mighty Mouse”.
        “Go the Force”.

      • Roar Guru

        July 17th 2017 @ 11:03am
        Train Without A Station said | July 17th 2017 @ 11:03am | ! Report

        Competitive – 2nd in the Australian Conference, same no of wins as the 1st place team, Check

        12th overall is hardly “competitive”.

        Rugby Union growing in the state, Check

        That’s based on having a smaller base. Therefore a few more numbers is big % growth.

        Producing Wallabies, Check

        So the same as every team?

        Financially secure:
        “Own the Force” has over $5 million in the bank
        • Twiggy Forest has $5.7 Billion dollars and has promised “whatever it takes”.
        Check

        A capital injection does not just ensure the safety of an orgnisation that has not posted a profit for over 5 years. Plus doesn’t $4M have to go to buy back their licence?

        Forrest’s net worth is irrelevant. What he is actually willing to agree to do is. We have no idea of what that is as yet.

        • WA Government support. Check

        What government support?

        State of the Art facilities, Check

        Define state of the art? How does it compare to Collingwood’s Holden Center?

        • Roar Rookie

          July 17th 2017 @ 11:09am
          piru said | July 17th 2017 @ 11:09am | ! Report

          Stop being churlish TWAS

          What have Collingwood got to do with anything?

          • Roar Guru

            July 17th 2017 @ 11:10am
            Train Without A Station said | July 17th 2017 @ 11:10am | ! Report

            They have pretty good facilities.

            To be state of the art surely it would need to be comparable.

            • Roar Rookie

              July 17th 2017 @ 11:18am
              piru said | July 17th 2017 @ 11:18am | ! Report

              They’re also an AFL team, not sure how a dance studio and man bun maintenance area has any relation to rugby

              • Roar Guru

                July 17th 2017 @ 11:21am
                Train Without A Station said | July 17th 2017 @ 11:21am | ! Report

                I think Sports Science has a pretty significant crossover in the football codes…

              • Roar Rookie

                July 17th 2017 @ 11:26am
                piru said | July 17th 2017 @ 11:26am | ! Report

                No doubt.

                The facilities in Perth are pretty awesome – I can’t say how it compares – I haven’t been to Collingwood as I have all my teeth and don’t want to upset the locals

              • Roar Guru

                July 18th 2017 @ 8:46am
                John R said | July 18th 2017 @ 8:46am | ! Report

                Mate – half a million will barely get you avocado on toast in Collingwood anymore! Not sure how many toothless folks are there these days! lol!

        • Roar Pro

          July 17th 2017 @ 8:36pm
          sittingbison said | July 17th 2017 @ 8:36pm | ! Report

          Apologist for or paid schill of ARU….check

    • Roar Pro

      July 16th 2017 @ 4:22am
      robel said | July 16th 2017 @ 4:22am | ! Report

      You beauty.
      the Force are a truly organically representative side who encompass the desire of a diverse community to forge a unique identity to beat the leather patched establishment of the pale NSW Sydneyite bed wetters.

      Suffer in your jocks NWS pretty boys. How’s that for grass roots.
      More bang for buck in WA than the millions that NSW get annually.

      “king parasites in NSW.

      • July 16th 2017 @ 6:02am
        Rt said | July 16th 2017 @ 6:02am | ! Report

        Look I want the Force to stay and I think the ARU is sheltered workshop/old mates club but stopping kicking the Tahs so much . As a fan I’m already down in the mouth.

        • Roar Guru

          July 16th 2017 @ 6:19am
          Joey Johns said | July 16th 2017 @ 6:19am | ! Report

          The Tahs and their players have left a foul taste in most Australian Rugby followers mouth since they white-anted McKenzie.

          The most sensible thing to do, is drop the Tahs from Super Rugby so NSW can focus on their beloved Shield.

          • July 16th 2017 @ 9:18am
            dru said | July 16th 2017 @ 9:18am | ! Report

            Leaving aside the emotion JJ, and simply applying logic to a pre-made decission to cut a team, dropping the Waratahs Ltd, and making NSWRU get closer to the SRU is not a poor quality strategy (behind an inept plan of course). The SS would swallow the fandom without too much pain, and SS broadcasts figures would increase. You’d keep the national footprint.

            And there would be a simple B plan going forward in the case that Super falls apart leaving us with nothing than Domestic as a base. IE build from the SS with the franchises.

            It is not the best or right solution, but it fits the ARU mantra better than many.

            • July 16th 2017 @ 11:44am
              Bakkies said | July 16th 2017 @ 11:44am | ! Report

              Dru they ruined the potential national footprint when their parasites aka clubs drove Canberra and Newcastle out of the Shut Shield.

            • July 16th 2017 @ 12:12pm
              Train Without A Station said | July 16th 2017 @ 12:12pm | ! Report

              Except Super Rugby broadcast figures would drop as the majority of viewers come out of NSW and QLD.

          • July 16th 2017 @ 10:13am
            The Sheriff said | July 16th 2017 @ 10:13am | ! Report

            Now that is an idea that Mr Papworth should get behind.
            Then they could finance the Shute Shield from their own sponsors and gate money.

            • July 16th 2017 @ 11:44am
              Bakkies said | July 16th 2017 @ 11:44am | ! Report

              That would be a first.

    • Roar Pro

      July 16th 2017 @ 4:26am
      robel said | July 16th 2017 @ 4:26am | ! Report

      Andrew Forrest
      Thankyou mate.
      Robert Eliott_Lockhart

    • July 16th 2017 @ 6:05am
      Rt said | July 16th 2017 @ 6:05am | ! Report

      I still think they should roll the rebels into the force and have 2-3 Force home games in Melbourne.

      The could be called the Rebel Force and their logo could be changed to a light sabre.

      Personally I doubt Melbourne would notice if the rebels weren’t there.

      • Roar Rookie

        July 16th 2017 @ 6:51am
        Alex James said | July 16th 2017 @ 6:51am | ! Report

        Melbourne would definitely notice but I agree. They should combine for 2 seasons to keep everything going in both states.
        The Rebels on field this season have had a shocker granted but over the last few years both teams have shown that they can cut it.
        The Force beat the tahs comprehensively. The rebels pushed the Jaguars and performed. (Gutted they lost but the Jags really switched on in 2nd half.)
        It may not be ideal in the long term to combine but for 2 years and to prevent the work being lost in both states, I’m sure they could get along.

      • July 16th 2017 @ 9:15am
        Pete said | July 16th 2017 @ 9:15am | ! Report

        Right idea, but wrong teams. Rebels and Brumbies should merge. Remember Perth has a two hour time difference to the East coast, which works for TV scheduling, and geographically, its a handy stopover from South Africa.

        • July 16th 2017 @ 2:22pm
          Reg said | July 16th 2017 @ 2:22pm | ! Report

          That would be good in theory, but cannot happen because of the ACT Premier Grade clubs owning shares in it which would require q majority vote from them. This sorry saga reminds me of the South Sydney saga from all those years ago in the NRL. Twiggy should do a deal with Cox so he can walk away happy, otherwise I wouldn’t want to be the ARU in the hiding they will get from having unlimited legal resources where money is no object!

          • July 16th 2017 @ 6:01pm
            Zulu said | July 16th 2017 @ 6:01pm | ! Report

            Mr Forrest and Mr Cox should keep their teams but join forces on a double pronged front to drive the FUBARU into administration and dissolve the board. Reset the votes so Qld and NSW don’t have the same voting power, dissolve the player contract and top ups and Kill the North Shore Old Boys network. Now that would be something to see!.
            Won’t happen tho?

      • Roar Guru

        July 16th 2017 @ 9:17am
        PeterK said | July 16th 2017 @ 9:17am | ! Report

        yes a temporary merger is far better than a complete cut, however I imagine the aru will then have to fight both teams in court to put that through, I don’t see either franchise accepting such a compromise.

      • Roar Guru

        July 16th 2017 @ 5:36pm
        Timbo (L) said | July 16th 2017 @ 5:36pm | ! Report

        Been my pitch from the start.
        http://www.theroar.com.au/2017/04/17/aru-needs-merge-not-purge/

        Makes most sense, Both teams are exposed with economically small fan bases.
        Which ever one is left is going to be just as exposed in 2020 when they have the next round of cuts.

        Let’s bring them together.
        Maintain both Spirit and Rising NRC teams.
        Tahs, Reds and Brumbies to Donate a home game each to spread the pain.

        The Force don’t care who owns them, just who coaches them, and It looks Like Cox is only interested in money and business – a match made in heaven.

        I can’t speak for all Force fans but I would welcome Rebs fans and players with Open Arms,
        Rebs Fans should be thankful they are still associated with an active team.

        The only headache is the player and staff well being, straddling 2 cities.
        I am sure there are solutions, after all, they are on the road 1/2 the time anyway.

        • Roar Rookie

          July 16th 2017 @ 11:02pm
          Alex James said | July 16th 2017 @ 11:02pm | ! Report

          Likewise, Can’t speak for all Rebels fans but I reckon it would work. The Rebels fans are a really knowledgeable bunch and they just love the sport. Join forces, win Super 2018 and super 2019 and then see what the new broadcast deal is. ?

      • July 16th 2017 @ 5:53pm
        ScottD said | July 16th 2017 @ 5:53pm | ! Report

        Based on performance the two lowest ranked teams should be combined mate – call them the Tahrebels

        • Roar Guru

          July 16th 2017 @ 7:22pm
          Timbo (L) said | July 16th 2017 @ 7:22pm | ! Report

          Champagne Sparkling wine Comedy!

    • July 16th 2017 @ 6:06am
      Rich said | July 16th 2017 @ 6:06am | ! Report

      Well done Western Force… This is what true passion for a club and each other in team sport can do.
      This is what the rugby public in Australia have been screaming out for, at the national level or the lower levels.
      ARU wants to talk about grassroots rugby, well here it is in full view for them to see.
      I now live in Queensland am an ex Aussie Rules player and AFL supporter but am passionate about rugby. This game as I see it has been manipulated for far too long by Qld and NSW interests and for the ARU not to take note of what is happening in WA would be criminal.
      The Western Force must stay. As I see it there are all the ingredients for a successful passionate franchise for years to come.

    • Roar Guru

      July 16th 2017 @ 6:18am
      Joey Johns said | July 16th 2017 @ 6:18am | ! Report

      My missus was asking why i had two hands in the air in triumph at 6:17am.

      This is the greatest news since… well the Tah’s got spanked 8 hours ago.

      Could this be the (middle) of the beginning of the end of the ARU? A hostile takeover could be on the cards.

      • Roar Guru

        July 16th 2017 @ 7:38am
        eagleJack said | July 16th 2017 @ 7:38am | ! Report

        So you didn’t watch the game then? Otherwise you would have known about this last night.

        • July 16th 2017 @ 10:18am
          Bill said | July 16th 2017 @ 10:18am | ! Report

          So you didn’t read his post either? He didn’t say he had just heard. “News” is time-transitive.

          I’m sorry you’re so upset by the result your mind has clouded.

          • Roar Guru

            July 16th 2017 @ 10:41am
            eagleJack said | July 16th 2017 @ 10:41am | ! Report

            So he put his hands up in the air, one minute before he posted, celebrating news he had heard the night before?! Interesting.

            I mean we are all pretty happy with Twiggy getting on board. But that seems extreme.

      • July 16th 2017 @ 8:10am
        Rhys Cairncross said | July 16th 2017 @ 8:10am | ! Report

        I was pretty happy to see them win too, I love teams with passion. Thats why I’m sick of the tahs! (I live in NSW)

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