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Nine quick takes from AFL Round 17

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    Seventeen weeks in, six to go, and the 2017 AFL season if anything just continues to get more and more intriguing. Here are my quick takes from the week.

    Sydney are my new premiership favourites, because why not?
    Ever since I ruled West Coast out of the premiership race a while back, I’ve been struggling to work out who my new pick to lift the cup at the end of the year is.

    GWS are slammed by injuries and no guarantee of recovering in time. Melbourne too, and more on that later.

    Adelaide and Geelong are both good, but occasionally throw up that average game here or there where you wonder if their midfield depth won’t get blown away in September.

    Port Adelaide, Richmond, St Kilda, Essendon, West Coast and the Bulldogs are all fine teams on their day, but are they good enough? Probably not.

    Then there’s Sydney. They’ve won nine of their last ten, have the second-best defense in the league, and are just one win and percentage out of the top four (with six games left to make up that gap).

    If you completely forget for a moment that they started the season 0-6, there’s no reason not to think of them as a flag fancy.

    They’ve got the game’s best forward, the game’s best midfield, and close to the game’s best defense.

    They slaughtered both Adelaide and Geelong in finals last year. Don’t forget that. Neither side has improved all that much. They could do it again.

    Sure, they might only finish fifth or sixth – but there’s an argument to be made that, with the prospect of copping two byes in three weeks if you win a qualifier, that’s almost preferable to third or fourth.

    I don’t see any reason why they can’t do it and I don’t see any team in the league playing better football right now. I’m getting on this bandwagon now before it becomes standing room only.

    Lance Franklin Sydney Swans AFL 2017 tall

    (AAP Image/David Moir)

    Buckley wins the battle, but no one’s winning the war
    While I may not fully agree with the decision, from this vantage point I’m pretty confident that the days of both Nathan Buckley and Rodney Eade are numbered, and running low.

    Collingwood said during the week that a decision wouldn’t be made on Buckley’s tenure until the end of the season, and the same will probably be the case for Gold Coast.

    I don’t buy that at all. Buckey has been at Collingwood for six years (and three years before that as an assistant), Eade at the Suns for three.

    What on earth is the last six weeks of this season going to tell you about them that you don’t know already? Zilch.

    If the decision to keep them or cut them loose is honestly being based on that small a sample of evidence, then it’s going to be a poorly made one.

    The two blokes who six years ago were the new dreamteam at Collingwood went head to head on Saturday, with Bucks’ Pies getting up, though neither side played well. Both coaches were supposedly fighting for their careers.

    My gut says it’s a fight that, for better or worse, they’ve already lost.

    Rodney Eade Gold Coast Suns AFL 2017

    (AAP Image/Tracey Nearmy)

    Dangerfield can be a legendary class player
    There are superstar players, and then there are those who transcend even that – the players who, decades after their retirements, define the era of the game in which they played.

    I’d argue we’ve had three of those since the clock ticked over to the year 2000 – Chris Judd, Gary Ablett, and Lance Franklin (though I’m sure plenty would spruik for some others).

    After his performance against Hawthorn on Saturday, I’ve never been more convinced that Patrick Dangerfield has what it takes to join them.

    Twitter exploded when he went down. Within 60 seconds we had run the full gamut of possible outcomes – Geelong out of the top four and flag race, Dustin Martin wins the Brownlow.

    In an almost comically short space of time, Danger was back on the field, albeit looking proppy and parked at full forward.

    From there he put in what will probably be the most memorable individual performance of the year (sorry Michael Walters), and if he had been more accurate could easily have kicked ten.

    Regardless, 5.6 was an enormous contribution to a game that Geelong ultimately only narrowly got the four points out of.

    This was one you’ll tell your grandkids about, arguably the most dramatic chapter yet in a rivalry that just gives and gives and gives.

    Imagine Ablett playing there next year. Probably three of the top five best players to wear navy and white in 158 years of Geelong history side by side. Scary stuff.

    Patrick Dangerfield Geelong Cats AFL 2016

    (AAP Image/Ben Macmahon)

    The Wingard-Gray switch has worked wonders for both
    If your team goes through the off-season without acquiring anything big, but you still need to improve, you might not have any new players to lift the side up, but you can sometimes create that effect by throwing some magnets around.

    That’s what Ken Hinkley went for when moving Robbie Gray to the forward line and Chad Wingard to the midfield in 2017, and it has worked a treat.

    It wasn’t revolutionary thinking – both have spent a decent amount of time in each area of the ground – but it didn’t have to be. It has definitely made the team better.

    Gray might have had a quiet one on Saturday – and by quiet I mean he only kicked two goals – but he is headed for probably a 60-goal season as a medium forward, which is close to unheard of.

    Wingard on the other hand tore North apart. His skills are too good not to have him in the middle, and he is still averaging more than a goal a game. 30 and six this week – enormous.

    Chad Wingard Port Adelaide Power AFL 2017 tall

    (AAP Image/David Mariuz)

    Bennell back would be a huge boost for Fremantle
    I’ve had my doubts over the last year or so as to whether or not Harley Bennell would ever play a game in purple.

    However, he made a return to competitive footy on the weekend through the WAFL, and played some decent footy.

    There’s still no guarantee we’ll even see him this year, or ever, but if he can make it back and become a regular that’s going to be enormous for Fremantle’s future.

    When you consider that Nat Fyfe is expected to sign soon – it was even rumoured last week that he already has, though not confirmed – they do have a midfield to be excited about.

    Fyfe, Bennell, Michael Walters, Brad and Stephen Hill is more than enough game-breaking midfield talent to be a winning team, backed up by the ball-winning ability of Connor Blakely and Lachie Neale. Developing young stars like Lachie Weller and Darcy Tucker are just the icing on top.

    As it is, their forward line isn’t yet capable of delivering on that kind of midfield might, as we saw today in the Derby, and as has been Fremantle’s curse more often than not in recent years. +13 inside 50s, -6 goals. Yeesh.

    Still, if Bennell comes back into the mix then that makes both him and Walters who can rotate through there to create goals, and a young-to-middle-age midfield group that has a bright future.

    Magpies player Marley Williams (left) and Suns player Harley Bennell. (AAP Image/Dave Hunt)

    (AAP Image/Dave Hunt)

    Will Sutherland picks cricket
    The 2017 AFL draft lost arguably its best key forward prospect on Sunday when 17-year-old Will Sutherland, son of Cricket Australia boss James Sutherland, announced he would pursue a career in cricket, not footy.

    It’s a pretty bold choice – unless you’re going to be a regular in the Test team it’s hard to make the same money in cricket that you would in the AFL, and there’s a lot fewer spots there than there are on AFL lists.

    Sutherland’s reasoning behind his choice? He just loves cricket more. And who could argue with that? Follow your dream.

    If it doesn’t work out, there’s always the Hugh Greenwood route. It’d be a lucky club that theoretically picks him up as a Category B rookie in five years time.

    Melbourne needs its midfield back
    Nathan Jones, Jack Viney, Angus Brayshaw, Dom Tyson and Christian Salem would be a pretty handy first five in your midfield – that’s your starting centre-bounce team and two quality wingers right there.

    They’ve all been absent for Melbourne lately – only Viney and Tyson have played a game inside the last three weeks, and only one each.

    Tyson could be back as soon as next week. But Brayshaw, Jones, Viney and Salem are all unlikely to be seen again before Round 20, maybe Round 19, and that’s assuming everything goes swimmingly for them.

    9-7 Melbourne have Port Adelaide (who are top four) and North Melbourne (who they lost to earlier in the year) to tackle between now and then, with GWS and St Kilda to follow.

    Luckily, they’ve got Brisbane and Collingwood to finish up against and hopefully prime those star players for finals.

    There’s no doubt though that these injuries have come at close to the worst time possible, and threaten to derail what has been a breakthrough year for the Dees. Fingers crossed that all five of those blokes are playing good footy come September.

    Nathan Jones Melbourne Demons AFL 2017

    (AAP Image/Julian Smith)

    North Melbourne is getting something nice for Christmas
    You’ll have to forgive a down-on-his-luck North fan for dreaming about the off-season after the Roos copped what will hopefully prove to be their biggest loss of the year on Saturday.

    In all fairness I didn’t think the effort put in by the team was that bad, it was just the classic example of a young side that has sneakily built up one of the league’s longest injury lists being beaten up by a mature, finals-bound opponent.

    They got blasted in the clearances 49-30, which is a talent thing, but they were prolific winners in the tackles, 91-58, which is an effort thing. I can be proud of that.

    With six games left North could easily win three or four and rise into the middle section of the table, but it’s also just as easy to see the Roos not winning another game for the year.

    That would mean either pick 2 or pick 1, which would be the highest draft pick the club has held since it selected Daniel Wells in 2002.

    That is of course assuming that pick doesn’t find a new home as part of a trade for Josh Kelly or Dustin Martin (or both – let me dream).

    The side is desperately crying out for a superstar talent to be a match-winner on a list mostly made up of solid if unspectacular players.

    Hopefully, by one route or another, we’ll be landing one later this year.


    (AAP Image/Dean Lewins)

    Do we really need clash guernseys?
    A brief little needless rant to close out the week, but does it bug anyone else that the clash guernsey rule only seems to apply if a game isn’t one of the AFL’s big-money match-ups?

    Carlton and Richmond, for example, should arguably wear clash guernseys when they play each other, and maybe Essendon and Collingwood too. They don’t. Neither do Sydney or GWS, who met on the weekend. They didn’t even make the Swans wear white shorts.

    Obviously the AFL wants these marquee fixtures to be as visually appealing as possible, but here’s something they should know – we all want our clubs to look visually appealing, not just the teams who make the league big money (or the ones they hope will in the future).

    I’m not saying that Sydney and GWS should wear clash guernseys when they play eachother. I’m just saying that if they don’t, North Melbourne shouldn’t have to wear one against Collingwood. If you can tell the difference between orange and red you can tell the difference between blue and black.

    There are maybe a handful of situations where there are genuine clashes that it is worth having an alternate for, but they are fewer and far between.

    Let’s not put teams out of their preferred, traditional guernseys any more than is absolutely necessary. Rant over.

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    • July 16th 2017 @ 7:27pm
      Mattyb said | July 16th 2017 @ 7:27pm | ! Report

      No talk of the reigning premiers?
      To be honest I’m not surprised,good to get back on the winners list but when your playing the worst side in the league I wouldn’t describe it as an impressive victory. Dogs will need to do a lot more to make a miracle entrance into the top 8.
      The debut of young Young is something certainly worth mentioning. I’ve talked about his reserves form for a few weeks now and he certainly impressed at senior level today. At the other end Wietering is becoming an issue,will be interesting if the blues give him a spell. He certainly isn’t keen on any body contact whatsoever.
      Early days for Young but we certainly got an example today that it’s not all about draft positions,he looks a real keeper.

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        July 16th 2017 @ 7:43pm
        Josh Elliott said | July 16th 2017 @ 7:43pm | ! Report

        As you suggested, not much to say – more or less the expected result, and not enough time to talk about every team every week.

        • July 16th 2017 @ 9:54pm
          Macca said | July 16th 2017 @ 9:54pm | ! Report

          Josh – Mattyb is correct there is definitely a take from the blues dogs game, reigning premier struggles to get over the top of 16th placed side missing 6 of its best 22 who played one of it worst games of the year and butchered the ball terribly going inside 50.

          How sad and tragic it is that a side so rightly lauded last year is now playing such a terrible style of football and I said now ignoring the wins and losses and focusing on the performance of a debutante.

        • July 17th 2017 @ 7:16am
          I ate pies said | July 17th 2017 @ 7:16am | ! Report

          There’s always room for North Melbourne though. They’re a crap team who got belted, as expected, yet there’s space to write about them.

          • Editor

            July 17th 2017 @ 9:00am
            Josh Elliott said | July 17th 2017 @ 9:00am | ! Report

            Sue me 😉

            • July 17th 2017 @ 12:24pm
              I ate pies said | July 17th 2017 @ 12:24pm | ! Report

              haha, you justify it well.

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                July 17th 2017 @ 3:12pm
                Paul D said | July 17th 2017 @ 3:12pm | ! Report

                I pointed out a few weeks back it’d been about 57 points stretching back 6 weeks since he’d mentioned Brisbane, lo and behold Hipwood gets a write-up the following week.

                Squeaky wheels and grease

      • July 16th 2017 @ 7:54pm
        Darren said | July 16th 2017 @ 7:54pm | ! Report

        Didn’t see the game today but from what I hear Blues were awful – skills in particular which is disappointing. Weitering hasn’t had a great 2nd year but I’d never accuse him of being a ‘shirker’.

        • July 16th 2017 @ 8:09pm
          Mattyb said | July 16th 2017 @ 8:09pm | ! Report

          Darren,yeah it was certainly a skills issue,like I said the dogs were far from impressive but always looked comfortable after quarter time.
          I don’t think Wietering is a ‘shirker’ but he certainly doesn’t like body contact,even as a junior he was known as a loose type of defender.
          Do you think a spell in the seconds might benifit his development? His form is getting worse and worse as the season progresses.
          I understand the blues supporters are extremely impatient which can easily be witnessed by how quickly they get up and about despite still languishing at the bottom of the ladder,but it would be disappointing if they finish the season as poorly as they have every other season. Was a lot of worrying signs today and nothing at all that anyone could be excited about. Gibbs was very good again so there’s that,and I expect him to now play next year as I understand the issues that made him want to break his contract may now be in the past. That’s a positive I suppose.

          • July 16th 2017 @ 9:46pm
            Macca said | July 16th 2017 @ 9:46pm | ! Report

            His form is getting worse and worse? His average for possessions for the year is 13.4, in the last month he has had 17, 22, 17 and 10 today – once again what you see and reality are poles apart.

            As for a stint in the 2’s, ASOS got injured today, Rowe is out for the year and Marchbank is at least a fortnight away – how exactly are the blues going to be able to afford to drop him to the 2’s?

          • July 17th 2017 @ 8:17am
            Darren said | July 17th 2017 @ 8:17am | ! Report

            Definitely not. Still holding his place just not above avg. It’s like the difficult 2nd album I’m sure he’ll be stronger for it next year.

            • July 17th 2017 @ 9:28am
              Macca said | July 17th 2017 @ 9:28am | ! Report

              Darren – I would suggest there are 3 things that have meant Weitering’s form isn’t as good as it was last year,
              1) 2nd year blues
              2) the stint up forward
              3) a change in roles down back with Marchbank and ASOS coming in.

              I would still suggest for a 19 year old with just one full pre-season under his belt playing a key defensive post he is still above average but he is a long way off his ceiling.

              • July 17th 2017 @ 10:59am
                Darren said | July 17th 2017 @ 10:59am | ! Report

                I mean above avg in the AFL Macca. Right now his output is an average AFL defender.
                Next year I think he’ll be above avg. I’m also still not convinced defence is his or the teams best position. He is a very capable forward and a beautiful kick. Either defence or attack I’d like to see him more up the ground and involved as a link up player (like St Kilda Riewoldt) does he have the aerobic capacity?

              • July 17th 2017 @ 11:07am
                Macca said | July 17th 2017 @ 11:07am | ! Report

                Darren – I think long term he will be best suited to being a defender who we can throw forward on occasion but wherever he paly he will be an above average player for sure.

                He is normally a beautiful kick but yesterday he had a shocker, missed a very gettable shot, gifted the dogs their first goal – him doing these sorts of things really summed up the blues.

                On his tank I think it is pretty good (although Marchbank is the better runner) but even the most gifted runners need time to build an AFL tank, especially after being loaded up with extra muscle (ie weight).

      • July 16th 2017 @ 8:05pm
        Darren L said | July 16th 2017 @ 8:05pm | ! Report

        Talking up a young player on the back of one game – not a bit hypocritical?

        • July 16th 2017 @ 8:17pm
          Mattyb said | July 16th 2017 @ 8:17pm | ! Report

          Darren,you need to understand the part where I said it’s still early days. I’ve also been impressed with Cordys form in recent weeks,this is a premiership player but not someone I’m willing to call a 200 game,ten year certainty.
          There’s talking up,mentioning a good game and living with the fairies,they are all very seperate.Young was certainly impressive but his league journey is just beginning. Collins continued to impress in the reserves this week after a very slow (pardon the pun) start to his career,it’s a funny game football,development is crucial in the modern game.

          • July 16th 2017 @ 9:43pm
            Sammy said | July 16th 2017 @ 9:43pm | ! Report

            Young i believe was a top sturt of many from that mighty SANFL club to make the AFL. I think he would be one that the SA clubs would be keeping their eye on going forward..maybe to try and tempt him to come home as i think he will become an excellent player

          • July 16th 2017 @ 9:49pm
            Macca said | July 16th 2017 @ 9:49pm | ! Report

            Mattyb – Young was impressive today, it I said amazing how quickly you can tell a young player is going to make it, like SPS, Weitering, Cuningham, Marchbank, Silvagni, Fisher, Curnow and Williamson for example.

          • July 17th 2017 @ 8:24am
            Darren said | July 17th 2017 @ 8:24am | ! Report

            Looks a real keeper/200 games splitting hairs I’d say – it’s all potential. I’m a Sturt man and wish him all the best. I like the way he got into Levi after that shocking miss – he has a bit of confidence

            • July 17th 2017 @ 9:20am
              Macca said | July 17th 2017 @ 9:20am | ! Report

              Darren – “Looks a real keeper/200 games splitting hairs I’d say” Especially when you consider what Mattyb thinks was said and what was actually said are generally “very separate”.

      • July 16th 2017 @ 8:10pm
        Pumping Dougie said | July 16th 2017 @ 8:10pm | ! Report

        “We stuck it righ up ’em”, mattyb, “stuck it right up ’em”!!! Tragic club the Blues. ????

        • July 16th 2017 @ 8:31pm
          Mattyb said | July 16th 2017 @ 8:31pm | ! Report

          Lol Dougie,we certainly did. I must say I did chuckle this week when even professionals like Tim got up and about this week as this tragic club continues to languish,year after year.
          Was an impressive performance by Dale again today. I understand your comments regarding consistency but he’s coming along nicely. McLean was also impressive,these are good young footballers. Development is so much more important than draft positions but Dalrymple seems a good spotter of talent and seems to pull these players from nowhere.

          • July 16th 2017 @ 9:13pm
            Pumping Dougie said | July 16th 2017 @ 9:13pm | ! Report

            I didn’t see the game (too busy playing vets footy myself) but it sounds exciting to have a 197cm player debut and collect 9 marks and 21 possessions. Pick 49 last year?? – Dalrymple is a genius.

            • July 17th 2017 @ 7:19am
              I ate pies said | July 17th 2017 @ 7:19am | ! Report

              Plus a hanger. He looks good Pumping. More importantly, he had good decision making and poise.

            • July 17th 2017 @ 8:15am
              Darren said | July 17th 2017 @ 8:15am | ! Report

              SOS can’t be too bad. Williamson pick 62 played 10 straight before injury. Has been all class and great decision making.

              • July 17th 2017 @ 9:31am
                Macca said | July 17th 2017 @ 9:31am | ! Report

                Matty Wright was picked up for nothing and now has 45 .17 in 38 games.

          • July 17th 2017 @ 1:20pm
            Gecko said | July 17th 2017 @ 1:20pm | ! Report

            Can’t believe how the Bulldogs could look so good in September 2016 and so clueless (especially in the front half) in 2017.

            But there are positives.

            Liam Jones was the dominant big man in the Bulldogs’ forward line yesterday.

            Koby Stevens is apparently also going well.

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              July 17th 2017 @ 3:45pm
              Pumping Dougie said | July 17th 2017 @ 3:45pm | ! Report

              I don’t think Liam Jones has ever gone close to taking 9 marks and 21 possessions in a senior game of AFL footy. Maybe if you add all of his games combined …? ?

              • July 17th 2017 @ 3:49pm
                Macca said | July 17th 2017 @ 3:49pm | ! Report

                9 and 19 Against Adelaide was pretty close PD 😉

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                July 17th 2017 @ 3:54pm
                Pumping Dougie said | July 17th 2017 @ 3:54pm | ! Report

                But Adelaide are duds, Macca.

              • July 17th 2017 @ 4:00pm
                Macca said | July 17th 2017 @ 4:00pm | ! Report

                Not like the powerhouse forward line that is Carlton hey PD. 🙂

        • July 17th 2017 @ 3:11pm
          Peter the Scribe said | July 17th 2017 @ 3:11pm | ! Report

          Well done PD….and yet another honorable loss for “The Messiah” Bolton.

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            July 17th 2017 @ 3:53pm
            Pumping Dougie said | July 17th 2017 @ 3:53pm | ! Report

            Cheers PtS. Carlton were only competitive because they flood the backline. I think it’s time they try to develop a more balanced game plan, to see if their list can be more threatening.

            • July 17th 2017 @ 4:03pm
              Macca said | July 17th 2017 @ 4:03pm | ! Report

              Didn’t seem like the dogs were going man on man in their backline PD.

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                July 17th 2017 @ 4:49pm
                Pumping Dougie said | July 17th 2017 @ 4:49pm | ! Report

                I’m not negative on Bolton (which you discuss in comment below to Pts). I think he’s doing a really good job. But I do think Carlton’s competitiveness is overstated by making it difficult for teams to score by flooding the backline. That’s not a bad strategy with a young, developing list – i.e. stop the bleeding and thrashings, while players build their game and their confidence. I’m just saying it might be a good idea to mix it up a bit more now, by attacking more in remaining games (even just for periods within games) and try to pinch a couple of wins to build momentum and off-season confidence.

              • July 17th 2017 @ 4:58pm
                Macca said | July 17th 2017 @ 4:58pm | ! Report

                PD – the blues do change the tempo within games, even on the weekend they had periods of very attacking footy and got a lot of their goals from the goal square and twice this year they have kicked 10 goals in a half of footy, but when they are missing Cripps, Curnow and Cuningham out of the middle, Marchbank & Williamson down back (and ASOS, Byrne and Buckley out of yesterdays game more than likely) and Thomas up forward I can’t see them scoring more heavily in the next few weeks.

                I would like to see them replace say Sumner with McKay or Kerr and see if an extra marking player changes things up but the quickest way for the to score more is to use the ball better and take they opportunities that they are already creating.

          • July 17th 2017 @ 3:53pm
            Macca said | July 17th 2017 @ 3:53pm | ! Report

            That wasn’t an honourable loss – the blues simply made a lot of mistakes that allowed the dogs to play largely ordinary football and get away with a win against an undermanned side.

            I would say only the Port Adelaide game was worse.

            I do find it pretty funny that a Collingwood supporter thinks Bolton is being treated like the Messiah.

            • July 17th 2017 @ 4:10pm
              Peter the Scribe said | July 17th 2017 @ 4:10pm | ! Report

              Macca…it is just further fuel to what I was saying last week…that is, a bit premature for Carlton fans to be rejoicing about the wonders of Bolton when you’re 16th with a woeful percentage. On the points for ladder, Carlton are clearly last and some 700 points overall behind the top teams…seems Bolton is still protecting the losses first….remains to be seen what he can conjure when he decided it is time to not think purely defensively.

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                July 17th 2017 @ 4:17pm
                Cat said | July 17th 2017 @ 4:17pm | ! Report

                Least Bolton is trying something. Buckley just goes backwards year on year.

              • July 17th 2017 @ 4:21pm
                Macca said | July 17th 2017 @ 4:21pm | ! Report

                Peter – not sure how you get that – the blues missing 6 of their best 22 lost because of poor execution of basic skills especially going into forward 50. They played terrible and only lost by 20 points and had good opportunities late in the game to make it even closer – not sure how that reflects poorly on Bolton.

                As I said last week the blues low scoring is partly to do with a defence first game plan but more to do with the fact that most of its forward line are first or second year players. At numerous times during the year the blues have shown the capacity to score at a reasonably rapid rate and as their personell allows for a more expansive game style it will evolve.

                I have a feeling that a lot of this negativity towards Bolton and the blues style is envy – we know who our coach will be next year and we can see a plan being implemented both on and off the field, poor old pies supporters can’t say that.

      • July 17th 2017 @ 10:55am
        Aransan said | July 17th 2017 @ 10:55am | ! Report

        Matty, Lewis Young at 197cm was born on 20/12/1998 thus would have been in the following year’s draft if he had been born 12 days later. Taken with the Bulldogs third pick at 49 he was certainly a bargain. With his size and extreme youth he has similar upside to Bontempelli and Weitering.

        • July 17th 2017 @ 11:29am
          Mattyb said | July 17th 2017 @ 11:29am | ! Report

          Aransan,that’s all very correct. As a junior he also played as a forward. In the reserves this year he has also occasionally been used as a forward. This is promising as it may allow him to be a swingman,or possibly use Adams or Cordy as swingmen. Rotating swingmen could be very handy.
          Still very young. I’m not sure of the modern day all important who had the youngest side argument this week,but the dogs must have been up there. If I cherry picked the age of which side had the youngest player Young would earn us an all important victory.
          Most importantly Youngs form in the seconds has been very good so he’s earns a spot rather than been given a game based purely on his age. I think this can be a key to a players long term hopes. Like I’ve said before,development is as important as anything else,we seem to have the right people teaching this down at the club so hopefully he continues to learn. He was another one of these players who mainly played basketball as a kid also so there seems to be a lot of room for improvement.

          • July 17th 2017 @ 11:59am
            Macca said | July 17th 2017 @ 11:59am | ! Report

            “Most importantly Youngs form in the seconds has been very good so he’s earns a spot rather than been given a game based purely on his age.” Who is being given games based on age in the AFL?

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              July 17th 2017 @ 3:48pm
              Pumping Dougie said | July 17th 2017 @ 3:48pm | ! Report

              Without thinking of names, I think plenty of young blokes, particularly high draft picks with relatively mature bodies, get given an early senior opportunity without necessarily earning it, just to see how they go and to give them a taste for it.

              • July 17th 2017 @ 4:03pm
                Macca said | July 17th 2017 @ 4:03pm | ! Report

                Not at the Dogs though PD, every player must toil away paying the owner for the privilege to work down pit, come back to their hole in the road for a cold cup of gravel and earn their spot out your way.

              • Roar Guru

                July 17th 2017 @ 4:48pm
                Paul D said | July 17th 2017 @ 4:48pm | ! Report

                But you try and tell the young people today that Macca, and they won’t believe you…

              • Roar Guru

                July 17th 2017 @ 4:50pm
                Pumping Dougie said | July 17th 2017 @ 4:50pm | ! Report

                LOL. That’s right Macca. You got it.

          • July 17th 2017 @ 1:40pm
            Darren said | July 17th 2017 @ 1:40pm | ! Report

            MattyB – Young got a game because Wood was suspended and he was next in line based on form and position. There’s no magic formula at the Dogs that’s standard practice. Let’s see if he keeps his place with Wood back.
            Carlton is doing the same thing – why do you think McKay hasn’t played despite the pressure from outside the club to give him a go? They want him to work on a few more things so he has the best chance of succeeding. If Casboult and/or Curnow were injured he would probably play – unfortunately before he is showing the form required. The Carlton midfield depth is not there at the moment (main focus for list mgt from my point of view) so with injuries the past few weeks, the next in line are not that fantastic – but they are still the next in line. You still have to pick 22. The backline, which has been heaviest hit by injury, has the most depth so losing Rowe, Marchbank, Williamson they have still been able to cover pretty well.

            • July 17th 2017 @ 1:48pm
              Macca said | July 17th 2017 @ 1:48pm | ! Report

              Nah Darren, haven’t you heard, the blues match committee first picks all the 18 year olds, then all the 19 year olds and so on until they get to 22 players – age is the only consideration!

            • Roar Guru

              July 17th 2017 @ 3:51pm
              Pumping Dougie said | July 17th 2017 @ 3:51pm | ! Report

              When you get the opportunity you have to take it, and he couldn’t have done anything more in his first game. Wood has been playing CHB principally because Adams is injured and Fletcher Roberts hasn’t performed well enough. We’d much rather a bigger player at CHB and play Wood on the flank or pocket. If Young can hold his spot, then it gives us much greater height down back, supported by Cordy (who can swing forward) and Morris. Wood can then return to his intercept role and capitalise on his high-leaping.

    • Roar Guru

      July 16th 2017 @ 7:30pm
      Cat said | July 16th 2017 @ 7:30pm | ! Report

      #10 Dusty to sweat over MRP after punching Robertson in the throat.

      • Roar Guru

        July 16th 2017 @ 7:34pm
        hairy fat man said | July 16th 2017 @ 7:34pm | ! Report

        Dangerfield probably has the Brownlow won already.

        • Roar Guru

          July 16th 2017 @ 7:36pm
          Cat said | July 16th 2017 @ 7:36pm | ! Report

          Depends, he had a down period after Roughead knee in the back in the first meeting with the Hawks and now we have to wait to see how his leg is for the next few weeks.

          • July 16th 2017 @ 8:00pm
            sammy said | July 16th 2017 @ 8:00pm | ! Report

            very true cat..should give danger a well earned rest from the team this week to make sure that leg is ok for the rest of the season

            • Roar Guru

              July 16th 2017 @ 8:06pm
              Cat said | July 16th 2017 @ 8:06pm | ! Report

              Sloan might be resting from your side. Shall be interesting.

              • July 16th 2017 @ 8:08pm
                sammy said | July 16th 2017 @ 8:08pm | ! Report

                he might very well be, but on current form, danger out of Geelong is a bigger miss than Sloane out of Adelaide. I have been very very happy with the crouch brothers and support cast over the last few weeks.

              • Roar Guru

                July 16th 2017 @ 8:19pm
                Cat said | July 16th 2017 @ 8:19pm | ! Report

                I’m not stupid enough to say danger out won’t hurt but only have to go back to the gws game to see others step up when Selwood was out. Nothing is guaranteed but it’s not inconceivable Cats can still function without Danger in the short term. Just don’t wanna try it long term.

              • July 16th 2017 @ 9:42pm
                GJ said | July 16th 2017 @ 9:42pm | ! Report

                And Lever

      • Editor

        July 16th 2017 @ 7:42pm
        Josh Elliott said | July 16th 2017 @ 7:42pm | ! Report

        Brownlow chances don’t cop bans Cat, everyone knows that!

        • July 16th 2017 @ 9:42pm
          GJ said | July 16th 2017 @ 9:42pm | ! Report

          Cynical Sunday Josh?

          • July 16th 2017 @ 9:52pm
            Mattician6x6 said | July 16th 2017 @ 9:52pm | ! Report

            Must be because 2014 fyfe copped 2 bans and was roaring favourite when he got the 1st.
            Probably meant Victorian based brownlow chances don’t cop bans aye 😉

            • July 17th 2017 @ 8:35am
              Reservoir Animal said | July 17th 2017 @ 8:35am | ! Report

              Fyfe should’ve copped multiple bans in 2015, but instead the MRP showed him up as the darling boy he really is.

            • Editor

              July 17th 2017 @ 9:01am
              Josh Elliott said | July 17th 2017 @ 9:01am | ! Report

              There are players outside Victoria?! When did this happen.

        • Roar Guru

          July 17th 2017 @ 3:14pm
          Paul D said | July 17th 2017 @ 3:14pm | ! Report

          Watch Robertson (0 Brownlow votes) get rubbed out for headbutting Cotchin meanwhile Dusty (25-30 Brownlow votes) will get off with a fine due to insufficient contact or some bollocks because Robbo is a hardnut who can ride a punch

    • Roar Guru

      July 16th 2017 @ 7:33pm
      hairy fat man said | July 16th 2017 @ 7:33pm | ! Report

      I think everyone is getting ahead of themselves with the ‘two weekends off is a curse’ thing, especially after one season.

      The Swans are the next team on Premiership favourite merry-go-round. If they lose to the Saints, then I expect it will be Port’s turn. WHEEEE!

      • Editor

        July 16th 2017 @ 7:45pm
        Josh Elliott said | July 16th 2017 @ 7:45pm | ! Report

        As said, there’s an argument to be made for it, I’m not the one making it just yet. The fact Geelong are trying to get their Round 23 game on a Monday to make the break as short as possible is telling, though.

        IMO the Swans over the last ten weeks have been more consistent and convincing than anyone yet who has ridden that fibreglass pony.

        • July 16th 2017 @ 9:16pm
          Bruce said | July 16th 2017 @ 9:16pm | ! Report

          They should make the bye round 21 or so. Gives everyone a rest but teams can still tuneup before finals.

          • July 16th 2017 @ 10:14pm
            Sir Col in paradise said | July 16th 2017 @ 10:14pm | ! Report

            What good is that for the teams not making the finals ???

            So. Collingwood can fine tune the Lada engine and game plan they have ????…

          • July 17th 2017 @ 10:57am
            Jim said | July 17th 2017 @ 10:57am | ! Report

            Or do the simple thing and have a general bye 1/3 of the way through the season, and another 2/3 of the way through the season.

      • July 16th 2017 @ 8:03pm
        sammy said | July 16th 2017 @ 8:03pm | ! Report

        If Adelaide can ensure a top 4 spot, then I am not too worried by Sydney as any game against them in the final won’t be at the SCG. It would either be at Adelaide or maybe at the MCG ??. On the larger deck, Adelaide has done well enough against them in the not too distant past so no real fears there

        • July 17th 2017 @ 10:59am
          Jim said | July 17th 2017 @ 10:59am | ! Report

          Will be an interesting contest in Rd 22 when the Swans meet the Crows @ the Adelaide Oval. Their first clash their last year was close to the best game of the regular season, and only decided in the last few minutes (including one of the most awful umpiring howlers for hands in the back you’ll ever see!). Sydney go alright at the Adelaide Oval – should be a cracker.

      • July 16th 2017 @ 8:12pm
        Pumping Dougie said | July 16th 2017 @ 8:12pm | ! Report

        I agree Hairy Fat Man; we need a much bigger body of evidence to support that theory. 2 weeks rest for the body out of 3 at the end of a long season sounds like a big advantage worth playing for to me.

        • July 16th 2017 @ 8:36pm
          Mattician6x6 said | July 16th 2017 @ 8:36pm | ! Report

          I’m happy for 2 weeks off if west coast actually got it together, gives chance for nic nat to come back and get good rest, only supposed evidence truly is Geelong and its woeful preliminary final besides that the gws v wb preliminary could easily been a gws victory.

          • July 16th 2017 @ 9:08pm
            Joe said | July 16th 2017 @ 9:08pm | ! Report

            GWS came out slow in their prelim, just like Cats did. Remember it was only the first quarter that cost Geelong.

            If the two hosts of this years prelims both look lethargic in the first quarter, people are going to start saying its a disadvantage to win the qualifying.

            • July 16th 2017 @ 9:23pm
              Bruce said | July 16th 2017 @ 9:23pm | ! Report


            • July 16th 2017 @ 9:54pm
              Mattician6x6 said | July 16th 2017 @ 9:54pm | ! Report

              Wouldn’t say gws came out slow like Geelong not in a long shot. And cats were well beaten all game not just 1st quarter.

        • Roar Guru

          July 17th 2017 @ 3:15pm
          Paul D said | July 17th 2017 @ 3:15pm | ! Report

          Totally agreed PD. The sample size is far too small to say definitively it’s a problem to win the qualifier.

          This pre-finals bye needs to die though.

          • Roar Guru

            July 17th 2017 @ 4:53pm
            Pumping Dougie said | July 17th 2017 @ 4:53pm | ! Report

            Nah, the pre-finals Bye is superb (and I’m not saying that because the Doggies benefited last year).

            I want to see the most amount of good players possible, saddling-up for the Finals. I want the best players on display. If that helps Nic-Nat get back this year, fantastic!

            If my team, or any other team for that matter, is playing finals, I want to beat the opposition with both teams at full strength. If we lose because we’re not good enough, then so be it.

            • Roar Guru

              July 17th 2017 @ 5:39pm
              Cat said | July 17th 2017 @ 5:39pm | ! Report

              I don’t mind the pre-finals bye, all teams fresher does in theory make for a better finals series. However, I have always hated the double chance ‘reward’ of a week off.

    • July 16th 2017 @ 7:40pm
      Mattyb said | July 16th 2017 @ 7:40pm | ! Report

      There also needs to be some mention of Carltons orange socks,it was like watching the transformation of Anikan Skywalker.
      I expect the blues to add grey shorts next week as they continue their transformation into the GWS seconds..

      • Roar Guru

        July 16th 2017 @ 9:22pm
        Col from Brissie said | July 16th 2017 @ 9:22pm | ! Report

        Pretty pathetic comment considering the orange socks were worn as part of a ‘respect campaign’ for gender equality with emphasis on prevention of violence against women.

        • Roar Guru

          July 16th 2017 @ 9:30pm
          AdelaideDocker said | July 16th 2017 @ 9:30pm | ! Report

          Pretty sure the MCG advertising boards were also emblazoned with promotion for that campaign as well.

          Hit and a miss with the comment I reckon, matty.

          • July 17th 2017 @ 1:29am
            Don Freo said | July 17th 2017 @ 1:29am | ! Report

            It was a funny comment about the orange socks (GWS colour…get it?). Fun link to SOS’s recruits. Have a laugh…or grin at least.

            • Roar Guru

              July 17th 2017 @ 8:10am
              Col from Brissie said | July 17th 2017 @ 8:10am | ! Report

              Sorry Donny but I don’t find it funny at all. It was a mattyb cheap shot at Carlton who were bringing attention to one of thr most serious problems in society today. If he feels he needs to make a joke about it then I feel sorry for him and obviously you who found it funny.

            • Roar Guru

              July 17th 2017 @ 9:09am
              AdelaideDocker said | July 17th 2017 @ 9:09am | ! Report

              Don’t get the wrong I understand the humour, and I definitely appreciate the joke!

              It’s just the wider context that I reckon makes the joke a bit iffy. And the fact that Matty of all people would jump on here to make the joke is not really surprising, but whilst I found out about the initiative last night, I would’ve thought he would’ve know about Carlton’s initiative given they played his team!

              Andddd that’s the last time I go into an analytical look at humour this early on a Monday.

            • July 17th 2017 @ 9:24am
              Macca said | July 17th 2017 @ 9:24am | ! Report

              Ahh thank Don, it was our lack of understanding of such a subtle, complex and original joke that created the issue rather than the idea that domestic violence isn’t something to be made light of.

              • July 17th 2017 @ 8:03pm
                Sir Col in paradise said | July 17th 2017 @ 8:03pm | ! Report

                OK so the colour and word is out of bounds now !!! Christ so far this year we have had pink, yellow, blue, red and purple. Not many colours left to joke about !!!

            • Roar Guru

              July 17th 2017 @ 10:45am
              Cat said | July 17th 2017 @ 10:45am | ! Report

              Guess you and your hydra MattyB have never heard of Poe’s Law.

              • Roar Guru

                July 17th 2017 @ 10:59am
                AdelaideDocker said | July 17th 2017 @ 10:59am | ! Report

                Poe’s law? sounds interesting but I’m not understanding that

              • Roar Guru

                July 17th 2017 @ 3:16pm
                Paul D said | July 17th 2017 @ 3:16pm | ! Report

                It’s one of those internet laws, basically says that due to lack of being able to read people’s facial expressions and tone of voice on the internet that sarcasm and humour becomes indistinguishable from sincerely intended comments

              • Roar Guru

                July 17th 2017 @ 5:36pm
                Cat said | July 17th 2017 @ 5:36pm | ! Report

                Poe’s Law is an Internet axiom which states that it is difficult to distinguish extremism from satire of extremism on the Internet unless the author clearly indicates his/her intent.
                The earliest notion of such grey area was first made on December 2nd, 1983 by Jerry Schwarz, who posted,

                Without the voice inflection and body language of personal communication these are easily misinterpreted. A sideways smile, :-), has become widely accepted on the net as an indication that “I’m only kidding”. If you submit a satiric item without this symbol, no matter how obvious the satire is to you, do not be surprised if people take it seriously.

        • July 16th 2017 @ 9:59pm
          Macca said | July 16th 2017 @ 9:59pm | ! Report

          Col – about what you would expect.

          I said on the thread about important stats from the dogs and blues game that the key one would be how quickly Mattyb turns up, a loss to the dogs and he wouldn’t have been sighted for a week but a win a well, here we are half a dozen posts in just a few hours.

        • July 17th 2017 @ 7:23am
          I ate pies said | July 17th 2017 @ 7:23am | ! Report

          It’s a pretty important campaign too. Otherwise, how would men ever know that it’s not acceptable to hit women? Those simple, primitive little men, they have to be told how to act.

          • Roar Guru

            July 17th 2017 @ 9:49am
            Col from Brissie said | July 17th 2017 @ 9:49am | ! Report

            Well yes IAP there are a lot of primitive men that have to be told how act towards women as statistics tell us. Why do we need to run a campaign highlighting tthis? Probably why we also run campaigns about many things eg. Breast Cancer Awareness, Men’s Health Awareness etc. – to educate.

            • July 17th 2017 @ 12:32pm
              I ate pies said | July 17th 2017 @ 12:32pm | ! Report

              Yeah and most of those “education” campaigns achieve nothing. It’s like changing the colour of your profile photo on Facebook – it makes you feel good but it doesn’t actually do anything to help anyone.
              If one bloke doesn’t hit his missus this week because Carlton wore orange socks on the weekend I’ll take back everything I’ve said, but we all know that’s not going to happen.
              If you want to do something useful then help out a women’s shelter or something.

              • July 18th 2017 @ 1:48pm
                Mark said | July 18th 2017 @ 1:48pm | ! Report

                Please stop posting.

          • July 17th 2017 @ 11:02am
            Macca said | July 17th 2017 @ 11:02am | ! Report

            I ate pies – I encourage you to take a look a Tarang Chawla’s comments on 360 last week, they should still be on the blues website where he said he was looking at this in a more complete manner and tying in Male su!c ide with domestic violence in the mental health sphere,

      • July 17th 2017 @ 7:21am
        I ate pies said | July 17th 2017 @ 7:21am | ! Report

        Haha, nice one matty.

        • July 17th 2017 @ 8:06pm
          Sir Col in paradise said | July 17th 2017 @ 8:06pm | ! Report

          Sort of like throwing chips to seagulls

    • July 16th 2017 @ 7:48pm
      Mattyb said | July 16th 2017 @ 7:48pm | ! Report

      How good was Dangerfield? I certainly agree that Geelong are a two man side but I do question how that’s a negative when you’ve got this bloke running around. Is quickly catching Ablett and Fyfe as the leagues premier player. An extremely impressive performance that’s becoming a weekly occurrence. Wouldn’t be surprised if he wins another Brownlow putting him in some elite company.

      • July 17th 2017 @ 7:24am
        I ate pies said | July 17th 2017 @ 7:24am | ! Report

        He’s clearly number one for mine.

      • Editor

        July 17th 2017 @ 9:03am
        Josh Elliott said | July 17th 2017 @ 9:03am | ! Report

        Likely become only the sixth player in history to win back-to-back Brownlows.

    • July 16th 2017 @ 7:50pm
      Ditto said | July 16th 2017 @ 7:50pm | ! Report

      Josh, agree with you on the coaching situation at Collingwood. It does seem, however, that Buckley will keep or lose his job on the basis of his teams performance in the last six weeks of a six year stint.

      • Editor

        July 17th 2017 @ 9:05am
        Josh Elliott said | July 17th 2017 @ 9:05am | ! Report

        I’d wager Collingwood is already on the move looking at a new coach. I’m not sure there’s anyone out there who is going to transform an average list overnight, though.

        • July 17th 2017 @ 10:08am
          Mattician6x6 said | July 17th 2017 @ 10:08am | ! Report

          Heard they are in pursuit of Bomber Thomson, don’t know if there is any weight but would think it has some truth to it if pies are wanting a big fish coach.

          • Roar Guru

            July 17th 2017 @ 10:46am
            Cat said | July 17th 2017 @ 10:46am | ! Report

            Bomber working for Eddie … that would be … something.

            • July 17th 2017 @ 8:12pm
              Sir Col in paradise said | July 17th 2017 @ 8:12pm | ! Report

              No way Bomber would coach the pies or work with Eddie – he has had enough of being stuffed around by big club management n BS .

              I don’t think Bomber wants to coach again but if he did maybe some club like the Sun’s, North or Lions.

        • July 17th 2017 @ 11:15am
          Reservoir Animal said | July 17th 2017 @ 11:15am | ! Report

          I’m not sure there’s any decent coach out there who wants to work for Eddie and his regimental attitude.

        • July 17th 2017 @ 2:52pm
          Peter the Scribe said | July 17th 2017 @ 2:52pm | ! Report

          There is no current available candidate better than Nathan Buckley. They are waiting for the full review to be made before Bucks new contract is announced. The review will recommend Buckely be re-signed for three years and is the only possible decision if Brad Scott is not available. By waiting for the review process, Eddie, Pert and the Board will be absolved of any nepotism.

          • July 17th 2017 @ 3:55pm
            Reservoir Animal said | July 17th 2017 @ 3:55pm | ! Report

            And the club will continue its on-field woes for three years.

            How big a laugh is it that nobody wants to coach the most famous club in the land. And Eddie continues to float above all criticism for the situation.