Stats underline Aussie Super Rugby woe



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    Australia’s ailing Super Rugby fortunes are best summed up by one out of many damning statistics.

    No, it’s not the horrendous 0-25 record of all the Aussie sides against their New Zealand opponents, though that’s bad enough.

    It’s the fact that even Japan’s struggling Sunwolves, who won just two games all year, have a better record against the Kiwis than all of the Aussie teams combined.

    The Sunwolves pulled off arguably the upset of the season with a final-round win over the Blues on Saturday.

    In the process they gained enough points to move above the beleaguered Melbourne Rebels, who finished with the worst record of any of the 18 teams.

    All five New Zealand sides finished with more points than the Australian conference-winning Brumbies.

    For the first time in the 22-season era of Super Rugby every Australian side lost more games than they won.

    If there was an overall ladder instead of the widely despised conference tables, it would have shown the Brumbies finishing ninth, the Force 12th, the Reds 14th the Waratahs 16th and the Rebels 18th.

    Australian teams have lost their last 31 games against Kiwi sides stretching back to May last year, but their record against other nations this year has been poor too.

    Overall, Australian teams have won just 7.5 per cent of their 45 games against all overseas teams.

    Bring on 2018, it surely couldn’t be any worse – could it?


    The record of Australian teams against sides from other countries.

    * vs New Zealand 0-25
    * vs South Africa 4-1-10
    * vs Argentina 2-3

    Overall: Played 45 – won 6, drawn 1, lost 38

    Individual team records against other overseas countries

    * Brumbies 2-7
    * Force 2-7
    * Reds 2-7
    * Rebels 0-1-8
    * Waratahs 0-9

    © AAP 2018

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    • July 16th 2017 @ 9:25pm
      Brent Horstor said | July 16th 2017 @ 9:25pm | ! Report

      Australia should only be allowed one team in this comp. Super Wallabies. That would be fair.

      Also you MUST have at least three people that are deemed oppressed in the starting 15. Trans, Gender fluid, Non-binary etc. else I think the Turnbull Govt should cut funding.

    • Roar Rookie

      July 16th 2017 @ 10:07pm
      Alex James said | July 16th 2017 @ 10:07pm | ! Report

      I love the last table. It’s the first time the Rebels haven’t been bottom!
      Australian teams have pretty woeful records in 2017. The 2 under threat franchises have clearly had a very tough time and then rack up the injuries. However, I think the lack of leadership from the ARU, the disgruntled fan base across the whole country and the general insidious apathy that is regularly seen in the forums has had a detrimental impact on all the teams.
      If money weren’t a problem, Australia would be better out of Super. However it isa problem.
      IMO they should split the teams into 2 divisions, adding in some pacific island representation to get 9 teams in each division. Play 8 home and 8 away games each. In Division B the top two go up.
      In Division A, top 4 play straight semi and then final.
      Bottom 2 go down.
      Divisions should just be based on quality. Not country.
      Admittedly this would mean all Australian teams would start in the B Division but hey, they may win a few and could even get promoted.

      • July 17th 2017 @ 5:50am
        Bankso said | July 17th 2017 @ 5:50am | ! Report

        I agree. You get the quality back into the higher division, slightly increase the team numbers with the PI teams, maybe have another South American team. People would still watch their beloved teams. the Tahs would be a perennial division 2 team but I’d still watch them.

        • July 20th 2017 @ 7:50am
          Waz said | July 20th 2017 @ 7:50am | ! Report

          “People would still watch their beloved teams” …. it’s a sentimental approach but not a statement we can take for granted. Reds crowds have been awful this season and take away a regular influx of 3-4,000 kiwis when an NZ side plays and they’d be a lot worse. A Reds in a second division would be lucky to break 10k even if playing well

    • July 16th 2017 @ 11:00pm
      T.H. McProp said | July 16th 2017 @ 11:00pm | ! Report

      If my Auntie had testicles, she’d likely be my Uncle. If Australia’s constitution was worded differently, we might not have a lot of the “unrepresentative swill” as our (speaking to the Aussie Roarers here, if any) political reps.
      The ‘constitution’ of the Super Rugby provides for unrepresentative swill (my beloved Brumbies) in the finals. So harden up and dry your eyes you princesses who can’t accept the system. Next year is sure to be better.
      Despite the odd finals reps, the fact is the best Super teams are likely to play in a final in SA or NZ. The media who pay a shit ton of money to finance the Super Rugby competition are likely to be satisfied with the way the viewership (if that is a word) works out.
      While I acknowledge the exceptionalism of NZ rugby, I still enjoy watching unexceptional Australian rugby, be it John I Dent, Shute Shield, etc. Last week I travelled from the frost of Canberra to the fog of Lang Park to see my beloved Brumbies make more mistakes in 80 minutes than I have seen in the past season. But I got what I paid for.
      I really enjoyed the Force v Waretards game last night on Fox. I’m sure the Saders v Canes was way better, but I don’t care and will take your word for it, I generally only watch the Friday 5.30 Kiwi game ‘cos it’s on at 5.30 at the end of the week.
      I’ve got my tickets for the Brumbies home QF next Friday. (Sigh!) Then I’m looking forward to the NRC season and some home games at Vikings Park.
      Sorry for being so long-winded. Point is, I don’t give a tinker’s cuss how shouse Aussie Rugby is compared to NZ, or anyone. I’ll still be the fat bloke with a beer and a sausage sanger on the sideline (near the beer and sausage sanger concessions) at SR, NRC and John I Dent games for a few years yet.

      • July 17th 2017 @ 9:14am
        Republican said | July 17th 2017 @ 9:14am | ! Report

        ………as a die hard that is completely understandable however if Union is to ever compete in a ruthless Australian sporting market, it will need to engage consumers who do not bleed Union as you clearly do, or its RIP to the code here, altogether………..

      • Roar Rookie

        July 17th 2017 @ 9:48am
        Dave_S said | July 17th 2017 @ 9:48am | ! Report

        BRAVO TH!

        I likes the cut of yer gib!

      • Roar Guru

        July 17th 2017 @ 12:11pm
        jeznez said | July 17th 2017 @ 12:11pm | ! Report

        Love the attitude and the moniker – wish I’d thought of that one myself!

        I just would like some reason to believe why “Next year is sure to be better” At the moment I see a downward spiral and I don’t see cutting a team improving things.

        I’m kind of hoping that the Alan Jones led Baa Baa’s team is an Aussie side picked from whoever Cheika leaves out and that the underdogs get up. I still believe we have the cattle to trouble any side in the world but performance at all levels, and especially selection at the top level leave a lot to be desired.

        • Roar Guru

          July 17th 2017 @ 12:44pm
          PeterK said | July 17th 2017 @ 12:44pm | ! Report

          agree with all this

          cutting a team will not improve the quality (significantly or materially) of the teams left, most will go o/s.

          The biggest issue is the very poor coaching with the exception of wessels.

          The baa baas won’t be able to pick anyone in the wallaby squad which is a real pity since the players on the fringes that should be selected won’t get a chance.

          I would like Cheika to be able to select his starting xv, then jones his starting xv, then cheika his bench and jones his bench. This would mean QC with a quality team against Foley head to head instead of being on the bench and getting 5 mins.

      • July 17th 2017 @ 4:41pm
        ajg said | July 17th 2017 @ 4:41pm | ! Report

        I agree with a lot of this but i still think that the teams in the finals should only be there on merit. the only way to ensure this is with a round-robin in which all plays all followed by the top 8 playing in a finals. beyond this it is just silly and unfair. if aussie rugby is good enough then we’ll make it

      • July 17th 2017 @ 9:33pm
        Isupport2teamstheAB'sandanyoneplayingAustralia said | July 17th 2017 @ 9:33pm | ! Report

        Good on you.. best post all year…

      • July 18th 2017 @ 3:01pm
        scottd said | July 18th 2017 @ 3:01pm | ! Report

        I’m with you brother

    • July 17th 2017 @ 1:15am
      Jock Cornet said | July 17th 2017 @ 1:15am | ! Report

      It’s unfair sa had to lose two teams when they were way better than the Oz teams and it is hilarious the sun wolves had two wins over the abs and Oz had none, yet we wre bagging the sunwolves.

    • July 17th 2017 @ 8:57am
      Rhys Bosley said | July 17th 2017 @ 8:57am | ! Report

      At least no Aussie team has been beaten by the Sunwolves.

      • July 17th 2017 @ 9:10am
        Gewurtz said | July 17th 2017 @ 9:10am | ! Report

        Wait until next year! 🙂

    • July 17th 2017 @ 8:58am
      MH01 said | July 17th 2017 @ 8:58am | ! Report

      Owww look, the tahs, one of the worst defensive teams, the Brumbies, one of the worst offensive teams, let’s promote thier coaches!! Geez can’t wait for the rugby championships….

      As a Brumbies fan, the only highlight has been the force giving it a go this year. I hope they are around next year!!

      Thought I’d never say it…. I miss Jake White at the Brumbies ….at least you had a sense they were improving and building, it’s the vibe the force is showing.

      My money is on Cheika coaching the tahs next year….Gibson will get back stabbed and good old mate Cheika will coach his Wallytahs again….oz rugby is doomed! Cheika, larkham, grey….

      • July 17th 2017 @ 9:41am
        Ouch said | July 17th 2017 @ 9:41am | ! Report

        Owww look, the tahs, one of the worst defensive teams, the Brumbies, one of the worst offensive teams, let’s promote thier coaches #ARUlogic

        • July 17th 2017 @ 4:42pm
          ajg said | July 17th 2017 @ 4:42pm | ! Report


      • July 17th 2017 @ 7:55pm
        MitchO said | July 17th 2017 @ 7:55pm | ! Report

        Yeah MH but the Tahs need a good D coach and that’s probably Gibson. Man needs to be demoted for a while.

        Brumbies new coach can’t be worse than Larkham and the team itself will be better. CLL will help. Godwin can be a decent 12 and TK is a decent 13. Toua looks like he needs a good coach coz he is not quite there but Speight is back in business.

        And Josh Manrae is actually having a good season. Sure he’s 50 years old but that’s okay.

      • July 18th 2017 @ 3:03pm
        scottd said | July 18th 2017 @ 3:03pm | ! Report

        I have a funny feeling that Dave Wessels was at the Brumbies as an assistant coach with jake White?