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    The Western Force bid farewell to retiring flanker Matt Hodgson in grand style, thumping the NSW Waratahs 40-11 in Saturday night’s Super Rugby clash in Perth.

    The Force ran in five tries to one in the bonus-point blitz, with Hodgson joining in on the fun with a 44th-minute try.

    Hodgson put the icing on the cake by kicking a penalty on the fulltime siren to send the 10,384 crowd into raptures.

    NSW simply had no answers to an emotion-charged Force in wet conditions.

    The result was a sad end to the career of Waratahs lock Dean Mumm, who made a low-key exit to little fanfare in the 55th minute.

    But it was party time for the Force and their favourite son Hodgson, who ended his 140-game Super Rugby career on a high.

    Hodgson broke into tears as he addressed the crowd after the match, thanking everyone for their support.

    “When Hodgo scored that try, it was the highlight of the season,” Force coach Dave Wessels said.

    “I’m very proud of the boys for the effort they put up.

    “It was quite an easy week to be a coach, because the boys played for Hodgo. It was all for him, which was great.”

    The result meant the Force finished second in the Australian conference with a 6-9 record.

    For the Waratahs, 2017 will be remembered as one of their worst seasons, with the franchise finishing with a woeful 4-11 record.

    “It’s fair to say we’re pretty low,” Waratahs coach Daryl Gibson said.

    “It’s been a season of lows. To finish off like that is incredibly disappointing.”

    The Force made a perfect start with a try to winger Alex Newsome inside 54 seconds.

    And, when Waratahs scrumhalf Jake Gordon was ordered to the sin bin in the 11th minute for a blatant offside, the visitors were in trouble.

    Force hooker Tatafu Polata-Nau crashed over in the 12th minute through a rolling maul, and the scoreline read 19-6 in the 35th minute when a sliding Marcel Brache was awarded a try when the TMO ruled he had grounded the ball correctly with his body.

    Things went from bad to worse for the Waratahs on the stroke of halftime when they turned the ball over to gift Jono Lance a runaway 65m try.

    But the biggest applause of the night arrived when Hodgson pounced on a Waratahs fumble to touch down shortly after halftime.

    The scoreline read 31-6 at that stage, with the game effectively over.

    The Force received a huge boost after the match when mining magnate Andrew Forrest pledged he would support the franchise in their fight for survival.

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    • July 16th 2017 @ 1:59am
      John said | July 16th 2017 @ 1:59am | ! Report

      Well past time for a cleanout at the Waratahs from coaching staff through to players – just a complete disgrace.

      • July 16th 2017 @ 6:58am
        Rebellion said | July 16th 2017 @ 6:58am | ! Report

        I agree,
        Ironic that some of that rebuilding will probably involve players coming from the soom-to-be-dissolved Force.
        Australian Rugby needs to get back to fostering talent coming through junior clubs in the heartland.
        The days of flying 5 1/2 hours to an AFL city to watch a bunch of journeymen only put in when their neck is on the line is thankfully coming to an end. Mark my words, if they did miraculously survive the cull they would be straight back down to 18th where they are most comfortable

        • July 16th 2017 @ 7:11am
          woodart said | July 16th 2017 @ 7:11am | ! Report

          this isnt about the rebels, go somewhere else.

        • July 16th 2017 @ 7:15am
          AK said | July 16th 2017 @ 7:15am | ! Report

          “Journey men” like Coleman, Meeks, Haylett-Petty (x2), Hardwick, Newsome, Cotteral, McCalman… you must be on the ARU Board to hold such a stupid and uninformed view and blaming the problems in NSW rugby on everyone else in the country.

          • Roar Guru

            July 16th 2017 @ 8:15am
            eagleJack said | July 16th 2017 @ 8:15am | ! Report

            Rebellion is a Reds supporter.

            Australian rugby is in a dire state. I know it’s fashionable to blame everything on NSW, happens in most sports and walks of life, but they are only a part of a much bigger problem.

            The Tahs are in a bad place right now. They had a terrible season and I hope the review is brutal. But as far as I see it so the Brumbies topped the conference with 6 wins (the Blues came last in NZ conference with 7 wins). They finished 10th out of 18 on points. That is truly pathetic.

            No Australian side should be in the finals.

            • July 16th 2017 @ 8:50am
              Bfc said | July 16th 2017 @ 8:50am | ! Report

              The playoffs qualification process is no doubt farcical…for the Brumbies to ‘qualify’ with but 6 wins and 10th on the ladder is a joke…

        • July 16th 2017 @ 8:24am
          Warugby said | July 16th 2017 @ 8:24am | ! Report

          Pull your head out of your arse. The Tahs got pumped last night. They had no where to hide.
          The Force had nothing to do with the results of their last few games either.

          Maybe you should look at getting rid of the senior players in your team that turn up for the money and their perceived right to a Wallaby jersey.

          The most underperforming team in super rugby this year. Go and start getting ready for next season….cause you need all the help you can get.

        • July 16th 2017 @ 8:27am
          sittingbison said | July 16th 2017 @ 8:27am | ! Report

          Back under your bridge

        • July 16th 2017 @ 8:36am
          Warugby said | July 16th 2017 @ 8:36am | ! Report

          It’s a national game mate, the attitude you have is the reason rugby in Australia is the way it currently is.

          The Tahs have a team stacked of Wallabies and they still had no answer to the “journeymen from an AFL state”.

          The Tahs were the most under performing team this year. Their last few games show this.

          If the ARU drop the Force then rugby is no longer a national sport. I’ll start watching league as that will be the next team to start in Perth. Mark my words.

        • Roar Pro

          July 16th 2017 @ 12:14pm
          Crazy Horse said | July 16th 2017 @ 12:14pm | ! Report

          Piss off Rebellion. Rugby is alive and well in WA. The Force aren’t going anywhere.

          • July 16th 2017 @ 12:53pm
            Train Without A Station said | July 16th 2017 @ 12:53pm | ! Report

            What happened to the 20,000 attendance you predicted?

            • July 16th 2017 @ 2:00pm
              wag said | July 16th 2017 @ 2:00pm | ! Report

              Come on TWAS — be fair. !!

              Terrible weather did affect last night’s crowd. But they are much, much more passionate that our Reds crowds, —- which continue to declinine every game.

              No atmosphere here at Suncorp, and, on a population basis, the Force get much bigger crowds than the Reds (who used to be Maroons — WHEN and WHY the name change???) and the Horror-tarts !

              West Aust. is the only part of Aust where Rugby is actually growing, —– and it will further underline the @#$%^&* stupidity & bias of the ARU and Pulver if they are cut from Super Rugby.


              • Roar Pro

                July 16th 2017 @ 2:24pm
                Crazy Horse said | July 16th 2017 @ 2:24pm | ! Report

                It was terrible weather, absolutely pissing down for several hours before, during and after the game and afterwards, yet thousands stood in the rain to cheer their team and the Legend Hogdson. Even after the gme they stood there waiting in some cases for over an hour waiting for their turn to shake hands with Hodgo and end him off in the fashion he deserved.

                BTW over a few well earnt coldies he later revealed he intends to play third grade for his club next year so he’s only retiring from professional rugby, not rugby altogether.

              • July 16th 2017 @ 2:56pm
                Ben said | July 16th 2017 @ 2:56pm | ! Report

                Thanks for the kind words that actually acknowledge the passion and love of our sport over in WA. The desperate drivel from EARU representatives such as TWAS and REBELLION really symbolises the self-love and nepotism that’s wrong with the game’s administration.

              • July 16th 2017 @ 4:44pm
                Jibba Jabba said | July 16th 2017 @ 4:44pm | ! Report

                TWAS has no skin in this game.. ignore the prat

              • July 16th 2017 @ 6:12pm
                Train Without A Station said | July 16th 2017 @ 6:12pm | ! Report

                Anybody who enjoys Australian rugby has skin in this game you prat.

              • Roar Guru

                July 16th 2017 @ 6:29pm
                Train Without A Station said | July 16th 2017 @ 6:29pm | ! Report

                Wag whats unfair?

                It’s a direct response to a claim that Crazy Horse made.

              • July 16th 2017 @ 7:09pm
                Jibba Jabba said | July 16th 2017 @ 7:09pm | ! Report

                Not when they are destructive and are apologists like you for the aru who are destroying rugby in this country. …

            • July 16th 2017 @ 4:00pm
              sittingbison said | July 16th 2017 @ 4:00pm | ! Report

              15000 in a torrential downpour

              Go back to being a schill

              • July 16th 2017 @ 6:12pm
                Train Without A Station said | July 16th 2017 @ 6:12pm | ! Report


                It was reported as 10,384.

              • July 16th 2017 @ 6:37pm
                Piru said | July 16th 2017 @ 6:37pm | ! Report

                I’m calling bs on this number. I have photos from both this and the last biggest crowd this year and last night was clearly bigger.

              • July 16th 2017 @ 11:18pm
                Hannes said | July 16th 2017 @ 11:18pm | ! Report

                Every seat under cover were taken and people were standing under the pavillion to get out of the rain. A very loud and passionate crowd… Hope we can be like that every game. It was a special game and those that missed it missed a lot.

            • July 17th 2017 @ 1:50pm
              MitchO said | July 17th 2017 @ 1:50pm | ! Report

              It was always due to rain a lot in the hours before the game and during the game. I reckon a lot of parents would have opted to not take children with them. Doesn’t make it right but I know a few parents who would expect pain if they elected to take kids around in the rain.
              I know two guys who weren’t at the game due to an overseas family commitment. Throw in school holidays as well.
              I reckon the glory days of the Glory and the Western Force show that realistically you can expect a crowd to be in the 11,000 to 15000 mark. I think a nonAFL team has to win a lot to average 15000. Force if they stay will build to the 15000 mark but you will only sell out when a Kiwi team like the Crusaders are in town.

            • Roar Pro

              July 17th 2017 @ 2:35pm
              Crazy Horse said | July 17th 2017 @ 2:35pm | ! Report

              20,000 is ground capacity and my prediction of a sellout is for the test match when Perth’s South Africn community will turn out in large numbers.

        • Roar Rookie

          July 16th 2017 @ 11:51pm
          Kirky said | July 16th 2017 @ 11:51pm | ! Report

          Rebellion! ~ Jeez’ you pen crap!! and it’s great to see you in your typical uninformed gross derogatory form mate, ~ why don’t you and TWAS just buzz of to Queensland and mix with your woeful Reds team and Coach.

          • July 17th 2017 @ 2:30pm
            MitchO said | July 17th 2017 @ 2:30pm | ! Report

            Be fair Kirky. TWAS takes it upon himself to play devils advocate but he doesn’t make a proverbial out of himself. Need a bit of balance.
            Although I heard a rumour in the pub that Bill Pulver was surprised the Force reacted badly when he told them they were getting cut. Surely that can’t be true and he expected some unhappy reaction.

        • July 17th 2017 @ 2:24pm
          MitchO said | July 17th 2017 @ 2:24pm | ! Report

          Rebellion for most of their history the Force journeymen and stars alike have put effort in. It is not just now that their necks are on the line.
          Too many in the East share your ignorance and that sort of thinking is one of the real problems in Aussie rugby. A bit more team spirit is required.

          If you actually care about rugby you should watch a few more Force games. The forward pack is the best in the Aussie conference and they’ll be better next season even without Hodgo. We must have got Philip because NSW were going with Hanigan, Mumm and Skelton. Arguably fair enough and I still have hope for Hanigan. There is a lot of something there but Philip has some grunt and I read a review of the Shute Shield a couple of years ago which rated Philip when he would have been about 20. Probably a poor reviewer coz they also rated Pete Samu and some other guys who aren’t good enough to play for NSW or Qld.

      • July 17th 2017 @ 10:05am
        Marto said | July 17th 2017 @ 10:05am | ! Report

        John, @ NO NO NO .They are all Wallabies , you cannot cleanout them..They are the best of the best…

    • July 16th 2017 @ 2:29am
      Keith from WA said | July 16th 2017 @ 2:29am | ! Report

      Izzy summed it up when he didn’t even throw his arms out to attempt a tackle on Newsome….

      You gotta seriously ask how so many Waratahs get Wallaby jumpers…

      • July 16th 2017 @ 8:52am
        Bfc said | July 16th 2017 @ 8:52am | ! Report

        Lots? And Nathan Grey is now our (Wallabies…) full time Defence Coach? What was his KPI at the TAHs…?

      • July 16th 2017 @ 10:30am
        rugby tragic said | July 16th 2017 @ 10:30am | ! Report

        so Folau shouldn’t have a wallaby jumper? third on the all time list of super rugby try scorers in australia, tops every stat known to man year in year out but he got wrong footed in a game, and so he’s hopeless?

        simplistic rhetoric, move along

        • July 16th 2017 @ 11:32am
          Keith from WA said | July 16th 2017 @ 11:32am | ! Report

          Another numpty comment completely missing the point….

          I’ll spell it out for you, talent means nothing when you don’t have the hunger, the desperation or the attitude to do whatever it takes….

          • July 16th 2017 @ 11:37am
            rugby tragic said | July 16th 2017 @ 11:37am | ! Report


            lucky hes got it in spades

            which is why hes one of the marquee players in world rugby

            • July 16th 2017 @ 12:02pm
              Piru said | July 16th 2017 @ 12:02pm | ! Report

              He was very lazy last night, really didn’t seem to want to be there.

              • July 16th 2017 @ 12:17pm
                rugby tragic said | July 16th 2017 @ 12:17pm | ! Report


              • July 16th 2017 @ 3:02pm
                Wendy said | July 16th 2017 @ 3:02pm | ! Report

                He’s been lazy all year. Only perked for the last two games prior to the test matches. Actually showed up in the tests, but two games and a few tests does not make up for the rest of the season. But he’s ok, he’s a Tah!!

            • July 16th 2017 @ 12:04pm
              Keith from WA said | July 16th 2017 @ 12:04pm | ! Report

              But regardless of his talent and all of your contortions in your defence of him, the fact is that his efforts were not good enough and showed little of the attitude that makes talent shine….

              • July 16th 2017 @ 12:16pm
                rugby tragic said | July 16th 2017 @ 12:16pm | ! Report

                nonsense he had a decent game apart from being wrong footed on one occasion and on another he felt Horne had dived on a ball.

                absolute rubbish

              • July 16th 2017 @ 12:26pm
                Keith from WA said | July 16th 2017 @ 12:26pm | ! Report

                Ha ha ha ha…..

                One eyed bias = Wrong footed… Reality = didn’t even lift his arms…

              • July 16th 2017 @ 12:29pm
                rugby tragic said | July 16th 2017 @ 12:29pm | ! Report

                Keith i don’t know what youre talking about. i’m talking about the first try where he got wrong footed by the force winger.

                he was never near him enough to tackle him.

            • July 17th 2017 @ 10:13am
              Harry said | July 17th 2017 @ 10:13am | ! Report

              Folau is the most overrated “star” in world rugby.

              • July 17th 2017 @ 1:24pm
                Marto said | July 17th 2017 @ 1:24pm | ! Report

                Finally someone is with me….^^

        • Roar Guru

          July 16th 2017 @ 12:39pm
          Timbo (L) said | July 16th 2017 @ 12:39pm | ! Report

          That list includes letting the opposition score due to his defensive deficiencies.

          If all you ever watch is the 1 minute 12 second highlights package and listen to Fox commentary, Folau is a god.
          The average Rugby game lasts 80 minutes and has both attack and defense.
          Watch the whole game and you will see both Chieka and Gibson hiding him in defense where he offers a paper thin resistance to the opposition’s attacking probes.
          For all of Folau’s “Finishing” prowess, there is just no room in an international side for an incomplete player.

          Yesterday Dagg showed the same areal dominance and try scoring ability but he also patrolled the backfield and made great tactical kicks,

          Australia have/had players that can do this – DHP, Hodge, Hunt, Morahan, Debresceni, Kelaway and Banks all provide a more rounded service. None as good with the highball but better in all other aspects of the 15 role.

          Now if you want to talk Folau up as a #14, that is a different conversation. I would still have Niavalu or Speight and maybe even DHP but that is a much closer race,

          • July 16th 2017 @ 6:42pm
            double agent said | July 16th 2017 @ 6:42pm | ! Report

            He is as good a catcher of a high ball and can be a brilliant runner of the ball but he is not even remotely in the same class as Damien Mackenzie as a fullback.

            • Roar Guru

              July 16th 2017 @ 8:23pm
              Timbo (L) said | July 16th 2017 @ 8:23pm | ! Report

              And to make matters worse, the Riddler (MacKenzie) is the #4 choice AB Fullback behind Smith, Dagg and J. Barrett.

            • July 17th 2017 @ 1:42pm
              markie362 said | July 17th 2017 @ 1:42pm | ! Report

              Folau is a hole runner not a creater

        • July 17th 2017 @ 10:23am
          Marto said | July 17th 2017 @ 10:23am | ! Report

          Rugby Tragedy @

          Folau cannot tackle and he cannot get into position to tackle.. The bloke as I said many many times.He doesn’t want to tackle and get his jersey dirty..Laziest Wallaby 15 in gold i have ever seen play..

          Who cares about his meaningless stats, run meteres and tries. etc etc.. Fullbacks run more meteres than any other position so thus renders your point null and void.. Folau scores tries, so what !!..How many has he let in with his non existent defence and cover defence ?? He can`t score tries against good opposition, he only scores tries against tier 2 nations.. Time for him to go…

          PS and he cannot kick or pass…

    • Roar Pro

      July 16th 2017 @ 4:08am
      robel said | July 16th 2017 @ 4:08am | ! Report

      Get F’d NSW.
      The Force are going to win the S18 in 2019.
      The parasite in NSW have got to realise RU is a National sport, not just the Shite Shield (deliberate spelling error).

      • July 16th 2017 @ 2:27pm
        Zulu said | July 16th 2017 @ 2:27pm | ! Report

        I’m a bit dissappointed that you didn’t add the possibility of a 2018 win ?

      • July 16th 2017 @ 6:44pm
        double agent said | July 16th 2017 @ 6:44pm | ! Report

        I’m a Waratah supporter but I go for all the oz teams so I’ll be happy to see the Force win in 2019.

    • July 16th 2017 @ 4:43am
      Gewurtz said | July 16th 2017 @ 4:43am | ! Report

      Izzy will wear the Wallaby jersey until he is 48! Cheika guarantees it.

      • July 16th 2017 @ 10:57am
        Jibba Jabba said | July 16th 2017 @ 10:57am | ! Report

        But cheika wont be there…

        • July 16th 2017 @ 11:10am
          rugby tragic said | July 16th 2017 @ 11:10am | ! Report

          did Folau not becoem the first player in wallaby history to score 3 doubles in a row? just last month? As of last week he has scored as many tries as Julien Savea in super rugby (from 2 fewer seasons) …

          and answer me this, how many other players have run for over 1000 metres 5 super rugby seasons in a row…

          and has he not won the wallaby player of the year twice?

          biut he had a quiet game last night… so sack him and lets pretend he only gets picked due to favouritism

          • July 16th 2017 @ 11:33am
            Keith from WA said | July 16th 2017 @ 11:33am | ! Report

            That’s a straw man argument (go look it up)

            • July 16th 2017 @ 11:36am
              rugby tragic said | July 16th 2017 @ 11:36am | ! Report

              two John Eales Medals fella!!

              • July 16th 2017 @ 12:06pm
                Keith from WA said | July 16th 2017 @ 12:06pm | ! Report

                Again….Irrelevant to the poor attitude from last night….

              • July 16th 2017 @ 12:14pm
                rebel said | July 16th 2017 @ 12:14pm | ! Report

                Settle down Keith.
                Sure claim Folau had a poor match but to base his future Wallaby representation based off this match is poor commentary. He was one of the Wallabies best in the last three tests.

              • July 16th 2017 @ 12:14pm
                rugby tragic said | July 16th 2017 @ 12:14pm | ! Report

                no wallaby selection discussion based on a ridiculous notion that because he made an error in 1 game that somehow he is selected due to favouritism, is irrelevant

              • July 16th 2017 @ 12:35pm
                Keith from WA said | July 16th 2017 @ 12:35pm | ! Report

                Geez some people are so blind in the confirmation of their own bias it’s just comical..

                I said Izzy sums it up… (poor attitude and lazy effort)….. I also said you you gotta wonder how so many Waratahs (I didn’t say he or Izzy)

                Follow the reasoning rt and even your contortions should work it out eventually…

              • July 16th 2017 @ 12:36pm
                Ruckin' Oaf said | July 16th 2017 @ 12:36pm | ! Report

                “He was one of the Wallabies best in the last three tests.”

                Well when you consider the stellar performance of the Wallabies in their last three tests with the many, many standout performers you realise just how high this praise is indeed.

              • July 16th 2017 @ 5:27pm
                rebel said | July 16th 2017 @ 5:27pm | ! Report

                And in turn you condemn the rest of the team with this comment. Goodness, I don’t follow Issy in any side but can see a good player.
                The interstate bickering in Aus is such a handbrake on the game here.

              • July 16th 2017 @ 12:57pm
                rugby tragic said | July 16th 2017 @ 12:57pm | ! Report

                Keith yawn
                The rhetoric that waratahs get selected by coasting through the season is a boring old topic that needs to be squashed. Had that once been true it has not been the case certainly since professionalism.

                Don’t confuse a bad day at the office in rainy conditions away from home, ina dead rubber, against a pumped up side with a point to prove, with a rebuilding phase of a squad as anybthing other than a bad day at the office. It has nothing to do with the littke man sydrome people have that there is somehow favouritism at the wallaby selction table.

                all the players selcted for the wallabies in june and every other time have been deserved.

              • July 16th 2017 @ 1:24pm
                Keith from WA said | July 16th 2017 @ 1:24pm | ! Report

                Lol… you call 40 plus points on them what 5 times now is just a bad day at the office? And beaten by the kings… and the jaguars (and the jaguares put 40 on a team full of Wallabies)?

                And they deserve selection based on those efforts?

                Geez I would hate to see what you really mean by a poor attitude and effort…..

                Talk about glossing over the obvious

              • July 17th 2017 @ 10:29am
                Marto said | July 17th 2017 @ 10:29am | ! Report

                Plenty of players over the last 3 years have made less errors than Folau and been punted from the Wallabies by Michael Cheika …Folau is a protected species with his two overrated mates FOOLEY and Michael “The skateboard kid ” Hooper.

          • Roar Pro

            July 16th 2017 @ 12:17pm
            Crazy Horse said | July 16th 2017 @ 12:17pm | ! Report

            He didn’t even get close last night, up against the man who should be wearing the Wallabies 15 who ran rings around him.

            • July 16th 2017 @ 12:21pm
              rugby tragic said | July 16th 2017 @ 12:21pm | ! Report


              pretty sure Folau ran fro close to 100m again and looked threatening with ball in hand. Got wrong footed once and is being blamed for Horne mishandling abll on deck part from that it was okay for a fullback in ehavy rain.

              DHP played ok too but lets keep it real… rings… cmon… and there is now ay DHP should be in the wallaby side ahead of Folau. if anything this past June showed DHP is a fringe player at best.

              • Roar Pro

                July 16th 2017 @ 1:10pm
                Crazy Horse said | July 16th 2017 @ 1:10pm | ! Report

                Folau is an attacking opportunist. He should be at 13 or 14. He’s not a fullback.

                DHP is the opppste. A natural fullback who shouldn’t be at 14. Perhaps 11.

              • July 16th 2017 @ 7:20pm
                Piru said | July 16th 2017 @ 7:20pm | ! Report

                He didn’t look threatening from where I was standing

              • July 16th 2017 @ 8:07pm
                Jibba Jabba said | July 16th 2017 @ 8:07pm | ! Report

                But he has to run 80 metres just to make the advantage line … thats why his figures look so good.

          • July 16th 2017 @ 12:49pm
            Bakkies said | July 16th 2017 @ 12:49pm | ! Report

            The John Eales medal is an award for mediocrity and favouritism these days.

            • July 16th 2017 @ 1:00pm
              rugby tragic said | July 16th 2017 @ 1:00pm | ! Report

              its a players player award voted by the players themselves!

              • July 16th 2017 @ 1:06pm
                The Desert Nut said | July 16th 2017 @ 1:06pm | ! Report

                Exactly the point!

              • July 16th 2017 @ 8:09pm
                Jibba Jabba said | July 16th 2017 @ 8:09pm | ! Report

                That would be by mediocre players .. yeah?

            • July 16th 2017 @ 1:19pm
              Bakkies said | July 16th 2017 @ 1:19pm | ! Report

              Ever heard of nepotism? It doesn’t just exist in NSW Rugby boardrooms.

            • Roar Guru

              July 16th 2017 @ 1:26pm
              Timbo (L) said | July 16th 2017 @ 1:26pm | ! Report

              The Seiko Wallabies Player of the Match only seems to be won by a select few high profile players that are paid by Seiko as their ambassadors.

              Conspiracy theory or shrewd advertising, you decide.

          • July 16th 2017 @ 4:46pm
            Jibba Jabba said | July 16th 2017 @ 4:46pm | ! Report

            Well he does primarily play against ozzie teams.. πŸ™‚

          • July 16th 2017 @ 6:54pm
            Qld fan said | July 16th 2017 @ 6:54pm | ! Report

            Wallaby player of the year????
            Like being the smartest kid in a class of down syndromes

            • July 16th 2017 @ 7:10pm
              rugby tragic said | July 16th 2017 @ 7:10pm | ! Report


            • July 17th 2017 @ 8:44am
              Jigbon said | July 17th 2017 @ 8:44am | ! Report

              That’s a damn poor and ill informed comment and for people who have Down syndrome children or suffer from that unfortunate affliction themselves it would be very hurtful and totally uncalled for.

          • Roar Rookie

            July 16th 2017 @ 11:57pm
            Kirky said | July 16th 2017 @ 11:57pm | ! Report

            Player of the Year in Australia ~ and that means what Tragic mate?

    • July 16th 2017 @ 6:23am
      Jock Cornet said | July 16th 2017 @ 6:23am | ! Report

      It is all contract base rather than performance based. Checka loves his favourites like Hannigan but this will end we get flogged by 50 by the abs and 30 by the Boks

      • July 16th 2017 @ 8:05am
        concerned supporter said | July 16th 2017 @ 8:05am | ! Report

        Jock you said,
        “It is all contract base rather than performance based.”
        One of the most common sense comments for a while.
        Deadwood at the Waratahs this year, includes the Randwick trio:
        R Robinson “Better Brakes’
        D Horwitz Too slow, skill shortage
        N Hannigan Over rated.
        The commentators on Ch 137 said that Randwick play better without their Waratahs.
        Deadwood on the ARU Board.
        All ARU directors except G Stooke. (and I am from Sydney)

        • July 16th 2017 @ 11:09am
          Jock Cornet said | July 16th 2017 @ 11:09am | ! Report

          How are ya cs. Haven’t got dad down to see easts but went to NZ . Easts aren’t doing too well this year but will get down there. The whole system is wrong when you compare it to NZ rugby. NZ love and performance first then contracts. Here you get the nod from randwick or uni stalwarts play half a good game and get a contract. It will change this year when wee get flogged.

        • July 16th 2017 @ 12:56pm
          Train Without A Station said | July 16th 2017 @ 12:56pm | ! Report

          Yeah great common sense article.

          It’s not like there’s a similar sport in Australia players could go to, or other leagues in countries like England, France and Japan that already offer more money.

          Players will just fold and take what they are offered I’m sure…

      • July 16th 2017 @ 12:51pm
        Bakkies said | July 16th 2017 @ 12:51pm | ! Report

        Well performance clause should be written in their contracts. It’s written in to mine. If they aren’t the so called administrators are more stupider than we thought.

      • Roar Guru

        July 16th 2017 @ 1:27pm
        Timbo (L) said | July 16th 2017 @ 1:27pm | ! Report

        and 20 by the Pumagares

    • July 16th 2017 @ 6:38am
      Jock Cornet said | July 16th 2017 @ 6:38am | ! Report

      Your main goal is not to get injured as a tah. The super season is too long with too many dead rubbers.

      • July 16th 2017 @ 11:30am
        rugby tragic said | July 16th 2017 @ 11:30am | ! Report

        so which waratahs from the last match day 23 shouldn’t have been there…

        Hooper and Folau (boh double John Eales Medalists)
        Foley – easily the best no 10 in Australia…. daylight second
        Kepu – one of only two geuine test class tight heads in the country

        any argument against these 4 would just be futile

        to the fringe ones

        Robertson – probbaly only there due to injuries to Sio and James Slipper
        Horne – selected only because Kerevi got injured and he is off os now anyway
        Hanigan – replaced an ageing Fardy who will be too old come 2019. A good young player and can be useful for lineout and general play
        Dempsey – probably only there because Mcmahon was injured

        which of the players from the amazing other aussie franchises should be there instead?

        • July 16th 2017 @ 11:31am
          rugby tragic said | July 16th 2017 @ 11:31am | ! Report

          posted in wrong spot

        • July 16th 2017 @ 12:16pm
          EnoughisEnough said | July 16th 2017 @ 12:16pm | ! Report

          Hahaha, this is all you need to lose any credibility you think you might have had – “Foley best 10 in Australia – daylight second.” Thank you, in these dark times one needs a good laugh.

          • July 16th 2017 @ 12:18pm
            rugby tragic said | July 16th 2017 @ 12:18pm | ! Report

            who is up there with Foley… i’ve been watching rugby this year and the last and the one beofre that and there is no one else.

            are you suggesting Cooper… yes that would be funny, a player that could not make a french 1st grade side.

            • July 16th 2017 @ 12:26pm
              EnoughisEnough said | July 16th 2017 @ 12:26pm | ! Report

              Yes that would be the guy who played better for the Wallabies at 10 last year than Foley did. But lets not let fact get in the way of your narrative ok? Your man Foley has been great the last few years hasn’t he?

              • July 16th 2017 @ 12:32pm
                rugby tragic said | July 16th 2017 @ 12:32pm | ! Report

                Foley is the incumbent no 10 and has been since 2014.. apart from the odd game where he’s been rested….Cooper etc have just kept his jersey warm on occasion.

              • July 16th 2017 @ 1:17pm
                Dave said | July 16th 2017 @ 1:17pm | ! Report

                Foley was the ‘imcumbent’ 10 in 2014 simply on account of quade being injured.

                His test appearances after that would have been the occasional 5 mins off the bench before moving overseas. That would have been considered an amazing personal success for Foley considering that the year before he was nowhere near being in line for wallaby honours.

                Instead his fellow waratahs succeeded in their coup. Link resigns, and suddenly Foley has the position for as long as Cheika is coach, while Cooper (the actual incumbent with talent is forced to go overseas and generally be screwed around)

              • July 16th 2017 @ 12:55pm
                Ruckin' Oaf said | July 16th 2017 @ 12:55pm | ! Report

                “Foley is the incumbent no 10 and has been since 2014……”

                And by a freakish co-incidence hasn’t the Wallabies performance over that time just been incredible. High after high.

              • July 16th 2017 @ 1:15pm
                EnoughisEnough said | July 16th 2017 @ 1:15pm | ! Report

                Oh so he was rested when Cheika put him in the 12 jersey was he? Hilarious. He might as well have been rested as all he did was get in Cooper’s way, but then again his mate Cheika couldn’t have let someone show up one of his favourites could he? Thats why Cheika only gives Cooper 10 minutes at the end of the game, but even then he can do as much in 10 minutes as Nard does in 80….

            • Roar Guru

              July 16th 2017 @ 1:37pm
              Timbo (L) said | July 16th 2017 @ 1:37pm | ! Report

              As much as it goes against my better judgement I agree with Rugby Tragic on this one.

              In my view Foley is our Least Worst option given the current constraints.

              Mike Harris would be an ideal selection, but there are other legitimate and outside the box options that should be seriously looked at for development. Lance, Mack Mason, Even Beale and Jake Gordon could looked at. 23 yo Jake MacIntyre hasn’t been given time to develop, especially in Coopers shadow and is now off overseas.

              But as long as Grant and Harwera and Garden Bashop are selected, there is no room for eligible talent to grow.

              • July 16th 2017 @ 4:11pm
                Ruckin Oaf said | July 16th 2017 @ 4:11pm | ! Report

                “Foley is our Least Worst option given the current constraints.”

                So what’s the criteria ?

              • Roar Guru

                July 16th 2017 @ 6:13pm
                Timbo (L) said | July 16th 2017 @ 6:13pm | ! Report

                Traditional Duties required of a number 10 in both attack and defense.
                At the moment this includes goal kicking, touch finding and tactical kicking duties.

              • July 17th 2017 @ 8:08am
                Ruckin Oaf said | July 17th 2017 @ 8:08am | ! Report

                Hey Timbo,

                My first thoughts are that that does seem to be a very narrow range of criteria.

                But anyways how would you rate Foley against the criteria you’ve selected ?

              • Roar Guru

                July 17th 2017 @ 9:48am
                Timbo (L) said | July 17th 2017 @ 9:48am | ! Report

                Not sure what you mean about narrow.

                Foley is proficient in all of them, but to be a world beater, you need to be one of the best..
                Kicking for Touch should make it to the opposition 22 from anywhere on the field.
                Goal kicking should be >80%
                Should be able to catch and tackle inside backs
                Creative play maker.

              • July 17th 2017 @ 3:53pm
                Ruckin Oaf said | July 17th 2017 @ 3:53pm | ! Report

                Hey Timbo,

                Well your first criteria was goal kicking, touch finding and tactical kicking.

                To me the fly-half role encompasses more than that. And I don’t particularly see why goal kicking is part of the fly half role.

                I don’t remember Stephen Larkham being a great goal kicker (or any kind of kicker really) yet I’d rate him as one of the best to ever wear 10.

                Now I see you’ve added to your criteria creative play maker and tackler.

                And apart from goal kicking I’d be curious as to how you rate Foley as proficient ?

            • July 17th 2017 @ 8:49am
              Jigbon said | July 17th 2017 @ 8:49am | ! Report

              Agree cooper is a joke. He has been so ordinary these last few games too… more than normal … really considering him to play v nuns …..omg !
              You QLD guys are such tricksters ?

              • July 17th 2017 @ 11:20am
                EnoughisEnough said | July 17th 2017 @ 11:20am | ! Report

                Is that you Nard? Talking down the guy that you keep out of the Wallabies because you and the coach are tight?

        • Roar Guru

          July 16th 2017 @ 2:14pm
          Timbo (L) said | July 16th 2017 @ 2:14pm | ! Report

          Tragic, you pretty much compiled a shopping list of Players that I don’t think should be there.

          Hooper – Smith, Alcock.
          Folau – Hodge, Speight
          Foley – New Talent TBA (He is our least Worst right now)
          Kepu – No problems
          Dempsey – Played 25 Minutes of Rugby this season. Ross H-P to develop in the squad, Higgers, Timani
          Horne – Leaving. TK or Rona or English, or Meaks or Inman or Hodge
          Hanigan – I was happy to see him get a shot, I have liked his work in SR, may be a year or 2 too early. Timani

          • July 16th 2017 @ 6:50pm
            double agent said | July 16th 2017 @ 6:50pm | ! Report


          • July 16th 2017 @ 7:13pm
            rugby tragic said | July 16th 2017 @ 7:13pm | ! Report

            ‘Smith? Alcock?’ …. you lost me

            • Roar Guru

              July 16th 2017 @ 8:54pm
              Timbo (L) said | July 16th 2017 @ 8:54pm | ! Report

              George Smith, you know, the guy who is trying to train Hooper how to do his job as a forward properly.

              Alcock, the stand out open side playing for Australia’s top finishing team in the super rugby conference. Makes as many Highlights packages as Hoops and does good work in the Ruck and Maul as well. (PS he is another Tahs reject). He has a big engine and can go 80 minutes too, it isn’t a unique skill.

              I would like to Add Dicky Hardwick to the list, he is good now and one for our future but in my opinion has a bit more growth yet to unlock his full potential. The bench is a good starting point, the sky is he limit.

          • July 17th 2017 @ 2:41pm
            Link said | July 17th 2017 @ 2:41pm | ! Report

            Timbo (L) You lose a massive amount of credibility when you say Foley (He is our least Worst right now)

            Your Guru status should be revoked until you can come up with a better argument than that .You very well know Cooper has not had a decent go under Chieka, and when he did get a short stint last year at 10 he did better than Foley ever has against the ABS.

            Give it up mate . Are you cross with QC because he not want to sign your Wallaby jersey as you were acting like a drunken sailor in the crowd ?

      • July 16th 2017 @ 6:13pm
        Train Without A Station said | July 16th 2017 @ 6:13pm | ! Report

        Bet you wouldn’t have the guts to say that to a Tah you cat.

        • July 16th 2017 @ 8:10pm
          Jibba Jabba said | July 16th 2017 @ 8:10pm | ! Report

          Thats hilarious coming from you twassie

          • July 16th 2017 @ 9:56pm
            Train Without A Station said | July 16th 2017 @ 9:56pm | ! Report

            I’m not on here slating players, coaches or administrators, questioning their ethics or efforts in their jobs.

            I save my harsh criticism for the nobodies like you and Jock.

            • July 17th 2017 @ 12:22am
              Jibba Jabba said | July 17th 2017 @ 12:22am | ! Report

              Hilarious coming from a 3rd Brisvegas boy… harsh = obscene.. lovely chap.. 3rd rate all the way. πŸ™‚

        • Roar Pro

          July 17th 2017 @ 2:11am
          Crazy Horse said | July 17th 2017 @ 2:11am | ! Report

          Here it comes. TWAS can’t statistic his way out of this one so he resorts to personal abuse, again. Playing the man doesn’t make what he says any less true. It just makes you look like a fool TWAS.

          • Roar Guru

            July 17th 2017 @ 8:30am
            Train Without A Station said | July 17th 2017 @ 8:30am | ! Report

            Acutall CH it’s a running comment after Jock referred to a couple of players as cats.

            I pointed out he’d be too much of a cat to call them that to their face, and continue to do so.

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