What’s the point of Women in League round?

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    This week the NRL celebrates Women in League Round.

    Throughout the week and among the celebrations, one question I’ll be asked is ‘what’s the point?’

    The people who ask this question often think the round is tokenistic. That it’s unnecessary. That it gives the NRL and the clubs the chance to play in pink jerseys, serve champagne at games and pay lip service to the role women play in our game.

    Underlying this question is a belief that the NRL fundamentally doesn’t care about women – and it’s a view with which I vehemently disagree.

    While people may be able to point to sports like AFL and cricket that have established their own women’s competitions, there is no sport that is doing more to actively promote and encourage women to feel part of a sporting family across the board (in whatever capacity they would like to be involved) than rugby league.

    So we may not have a women’s competition yet. But this year, for the first time, an unbroken pathway has been established to make sure that girls from age six all the way to 18 can play rugby league. Todd Greenberg has made it clear that he wants to make sure there are the numbers to ensure a sustainable women’s competition before it is launched. These pathways will go a long way to making this talent pool a reality.

    In the last two years we have seen the Australian Jillaroos broadcast on television as part of an international double-header and this year when the Rugby League World Cup takes place, it will be the first time that the men’s and women’s tournament have been played concurrently.

    Think about the people that are involved in the administration of our game. Women like Cathy Harris who sits on the Australian Rugby League Commission, Raelene Castle who is CEO at the Canterbury Bulldogs, Helen Wood-Grant on the board of the Men of League Foundation, Maria Sykes who is COO at the Rugby League World Cup, and the countless women who sit on rugby league boards like Rebecca Frizelle, Vicki Leaver, Katie Brassil and Marina Go.

    There is no other traditional, male sport in Australia that offers the same opportunities for women in media like rugby league does.

    Thanks to trailblazers like Debbie Spillane and Margie McDonald, women like Yvonne Sampson, Hannah Hollis, Lara Pitt and Erin Molan are frequent and welcome fixtures in our coverage.

    Yvonne Sampson

    (Image via Channel Nine Style)

    And I haven’t even mentioned the droves of female volunteers, fans and members, and Kasey Badger and Belinda Sleeman, who you can spot running down the touchline on any given weekend.

    But the elephant in the room when we talk about Women in League round is, of course, the men taking the field each week who have been convicted of offences which involve violence towards women.

    Violence toward any other human being is completely unacceptable. But this is a very difficult issue to navigate.

    I often reflect on the players that have committed offences before they embraced the opportunity for a second chance. It’s one of my favourite things about our game is that we do give people a second chance. Most close to home are Manu Ma’u and Danny Wicks, who wore the blue and gold and used that second chance to educate others and support change in their communities.

    Which offences are serious enough that it warrants rubbing a player out permanently from the game? Equally challenging is who makes that call?

    They’re issues that the NRL grapples with, particularly with violence towards women, and the code’s strong relationships with organisations like the Full Stop Foundation and Our Watch reflects this. But I know the NRL takes this issue seriously. So seriously that on the weekend it was announced that, in what would be a first in Australian sport, the NRL is discussing new enforcement measures for players found guilty of violence against women.

    The truth is that women remain underrepresented in almost every facet of Australian society. As at March this year there were only nine female CEOs and ten women that were chairperson of companies which feature in the ASX 200. Women face a 23 per cent gender pay gap and at least one Australian woman is killed every week by a current or former partner.

    Rugby league does not have the answer to these problems. But it can be part of the solution and it can use its powerful voice to drive and initiate change in our communities.

    All the things I’ve set out in this article tell me that the NRL is serious about making the rugby league family inclusive for everyone.

    Our code is not perfect, but nothing is. We need to keep holding our game accountable and recognise that there is plenty more work to be done.

    But we also need to celebrate how far we have come.

    I hope you all take a moment this week to celebrate the role women play in our game. I want to thank the women involved in footy who inspire me each day and remind us there is a place for everyone in the rugby league family whether it is as a fan, player, referee, advocate or administrator.

    Thank you to women like Yvonne Sampson, Catharine Lumby, Helen Wood-Grant, Marina Go, Kezie Apps, Stephanie Crockford, Raelene Castle and Kasey Badger. You can’t be what you can’t see and these women serve as role models for the next generation of talent coming through. Young women who will grow up in a world where the barriers to gender equality will be even lower and fewer.

    I also want to leave you with a challenge. Apart from celebrating the women in your life who are involved in rugby league this week there is one very simple thing you can do to champion diversity.

    This Sunday morning at 11am, the Interstate Challenge will be played between the New South Wales and Queensland women’s teams. This is the first time that NSW have had the opportunity to win the series two years in a row.

    The game will be broadcast live on Fox League. So if you are someone that thinks that the NRL should have a women’s competition, do more than talk the talk, walk the walk and tune in so that the code understands that there is a keen interest in women who play footy. We all know how effective power in numbers can be, so let’s make sure that this game is closely followed.

    To all the women out there who are part of the rugby league family – this week is about celebrating you. Thank you for everything you do to make our game the greatest and thank you to rugby league for always making me feel like my voice is a welcome part of the conversation.

    Mary Konstantopoulos
    Mary Konstantopoulos

    Mary Konstantopoulos is a lawyer, sports advocate and proud owner and founder of the Ladies Who empire, including Ladies who League, Ladies who Legspin, Ladies who Lineout and Ladies who Leap. You can find her podcast on iTunes and find her on Twitter @mary__kaye and @ladieswholeague.

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    • July 18th 2017 @ 8:22am
      Oingo Boingo said | July 18th 2017 @ 8:22am | ! Report

      Thinking of entering into politics Mary ?

      • Columnist

        July 18th 2017 @ 8:47am
        Mary Konstantopoulos said | July 18th 2017 @ 8:47am | ! Report

        I’m not sure whether you liked my article or didn’t…

        • July 22nd 2017 @ 12:03am
          Your kidding said | July 22nd 2017 @ 12:03am | ! Report

          are you on the NRL payroll or do you just believe the spin?

    • July 18th 2017 @ 8:36am
      Bert said | July 18th 2017 @ 8:36am | ! Report

      Womens round is political correctness going to the extreme.

      Look at the AFl, they talk about social change and then we find out they are a den of debauchery.

      • July 18th 2017 @ 8:41am
        Oingo Boingo said | July 18th 2017 @ 8:41am | ! Report

        No Bert , the AFL is just an organisation populated by human beings , nothing going on there that doesn’t go on everywhere in society.

        • Columnist

          July 18th 2017 @ 8:47am
          Mary Konstantopoulos said | July 18th 2017 @ 8:47am | ! Report

          Has there been any suggestion of wrongdoing (other than doing something people may find morally wrong?) I was more upset by the Head of Diversity punching someone on the field a few weeks ago!

          • July 18th 2017 @ 2:32pm
            Alex said | July 18th 2017 @ 2:32pm | ! Report

            I think, the alleged list of top ten most attractive, an actual physical list mind you is the major issue with their behaviour. Either that or the fact that they were men in positions of power over these women, Lethlean was the 2IC after all and the issues regarding their workplace power in the event of a relationship breakdown had neither of the women left.

            Ultimately workplace affairs happen, and they really shouldn’t be sackable offences but possibly the power imbalance that those men had over the women was an issue. Had Simkiss and Lethlean been having an affair with each other I’d argue it wouldn’t be sackable as they were both executives.

            • Columnist

              July 18th 2017 @ 9:50pm
              Mary Konstantopoulos said | July 18th 2017 @ 9:50pm | ! Report

              I think this hits the issue right on the head.

              • Roar Guru

                July 19th 2017 @ 12:36pm
                Hoy said | July 19th 2017 @ 12:36pm | ! Report

                No it doesn’t… I think this train of thought, painting the ladies as too weak to resist the “powerful man” is pathetic and completely sexist.

                According to a lot of people, I am not much for recognsing sexism as a soon to be middle aged white male who likes football of all persuasions, but it staggers me that you can think down that line and get away with it. That is pure, unadulterated rubbish to think women are too weak to make decisions because there is a bloke with a suit in the same room as them. That is about as sexist as it comes isn’t it? Come on.

              • Columnist

                July 19th 2017 @ 4:02pm
                Mary Konstantopoulos said | July 19th 2017 @ 4:02pm | ! Report

                Hoy, sorry I actually misread the comments above. If it’s the case that the women were taken advantage of then I have a problem. If it was a relationship between two consenting adults no issue at all.

                There are power imbalances in society – the same could be said of a powerful woman doing something similar in the same position.

      • Columnist

        July 18th 2017 @ 8:46am
        Mary Konstantopoulos said | July 18th 2017 @ 8:46am | ! Report

        When we stop expecting our sporting codes to be ‘perfect’ then the conversation can really progress.

        This AFL story has my mind boggled – I don’t actually understand what the big deal is?

        • July 18th 2017 @ 11:12am
          Bert said | July 18th 2017 @ 11:12am | ! Report

          Men in positions of power taking sexual advantage of younger women.

          Surely you can see that.

          It is just got to stop. It is an outrage.

          We have to clean up our act towards women, and I thought you of all people should see that.

          Stop it.

          Stop using young impressionable women as sex toys!

          There is nothing grubbier than a grubby grub!

          • Columnist

            July 18th 2017 @ 11:36am
            Mary Konstantopoulos said | July 18th 2017 @ 11:36am | ! Report

            Bert, I have seen no suggestion that these women were taken advantage of sexually. If that is the case, then of course that’s problematic. But if what we have here is a relationship between two consenting adults, I don’t really see the issue.

            • July 18th 2017 @ 1:49pm
              Oingo Boingo said | July 18th 2017 @ 1:49pm | ! Report

              These poor stupid girls, incapable of making rational decisions, could benefit greatly by having someone such as yourself to chaperone them, Bert.
              What a shame there are so few of your ilk.

          • July 18th 2017 @ 5:21pm
            Andy og said | July 18th 2017 @ 5:21pm | ! Report

            Young impressionable women,what a load of rubbish. Both were not what you would consider young and both held fairly substantial jobs. One of them was Kurtley Beale’s girlfriend. Theses ladies were not vulnerable 18 year old interns and we’re well aware of what they were doing.

          • July 19th 2017 @ 4:45pm
            Jacko said | July 19th 2017 @ 4:45pm | ! Report

            So if they are all equal its ok but if one is a boss and one a worker its wrong? Are we starting to head down the CLASS system of relationships old India had?
            New Law…No shagging anyone who earns more or has a better job…Silly really…As Mary says…if its consentual then WHAT PROBLEM

      • July 18th 2017 @ 8:48am
        Dom said | July 18th 2017 @ 8:48am | ! Report

        “Political correctness going to the extreme?” Huh? What harm does it cause?

        • Roar Guru

          July 18th 2017 @ 9:10am
          The Barry said | July 18th 2017 @ 9:10am | ! Report

          It’s all that welcoming and inclusiveness…it’s so divisive.

          • Columnist

            July 18th 2017 @ 9:13am
            Mary Konstantopoulos said | July 18th 2017 @ 9:13am | ! Report

            You know what rugby league needs more of – white men.

            • July 18th 2017 @ 9:21am
              Council said | July 18th 2017 @ 9:21am | ! Report

              And a pakeha round, Samoan round, Tongan round, Kiwi round, Queensland round, PNG round..

              The rounds do a good job of highlighting indigenous and women’s contribution to league, but we don’t need rounds. We need recognition every round, every game.

              Society needs to learn to be more inclusive and appreciative, but people don’t appreciate having a message forced on them. That gives the bigots a platform to whinge and cry about having a round for this or a female Dr Who.

              The simple fact is the fact we need these rounds, instead of general appreciation, is a sad indicative of society. Coming from NZ I was surprised to see these rounds in NRL and AFL.

            • July 18th 2017 @ 9:32am
              mushi said | July 18th 2017 @ 9:32am | ! Report

              Perferrably middle aged

              • July 18th 2017 @ 10:12am
                Andrew said | July 18th 2017 @ 10:12am | ! Report

                Who used to play first grade once upon a time

              • July 18th 2017 @ 8:50pm
                Tried Hard said | July 18th 2017 @ 8:50pm | ! Report

                And those who feel guilty for past indiscretions, and try to make up excuses for people like Mary to make themselves feel better.

                Remember people, a discriminatory label is just that, no matter who you apply it too.

              • July 19th 2017 @ 9:53am
                mushi said | July 19th 2017 @ 9:53am | ! Report

                Yes tried hard, a discriminatory label is just that, but discrimination is inherent in any decision that isn’t random.

                It’s just that there is valid discrimination and positive discrimination to go along with negative and unconscious discrimination.

            • July 18th 2017 @ 9:42am
              Oingo Boingo said | July 18th 2017 @ 9:42am | ! Report

              Ah that old chestnut , “white men ” responsible for all the worlds problems.
              Quite ironic really when you consider much of this article relates to domestic violence which is a much bigger issue in indigenous , islander and Islamic communities.

              • Columnist

                July 18th 2017 @ 9:50am
                Mary Konstantopoulos said | July 18th 2017 @ 9:50am | ! Report

                Oingo, where in this article did I blame white men for anything – I’m about diversity and I think white men are adequately represented in the rugby league family. I would love to see other groups represented too.

              • July 18th 2017 @ 10:01am
                Oingo Boingo said | July 18th 2017 @ 10:01am | ! Report

                Cmon Mary , you’ve used the term “white men ” in a sarcastic sense, why use it at all ?

              • July 18th 2017 @ 7:35pm
                Peter said | July 18th 2017 @ 7:35pm | ! Report

                Lingo, I think Mary is just recognising your need to have something by which to be offended.

              • July 18th 2017 @ 7:50pm
                Peter said | July 18th 2017 @ 7:50pm | ! Report

                Oingo , I think Mary is just recognising your need to have something by which to be offended.

              • July 18th 2017 @ 9:18pm
                Tried Hard said | July 18th 2017 @ 9:18pm | ! Report

                I’m sorry Mary, but that is that out and out BS you created to push your agenda.

                And I say this because the majority of juniors coming through the RL ranks since the mid 00’s have been of Polynesian/ Indigenous decent.

                So why lie?

              • Columnist

                July 18th 2017 @ 9:51pm
                Mary Konstantopoulos said | July 18th 2017 @ 9:51pm | ! Report

                I legitimately have no idea what you’re talking about…

              • July 18th 2017 @ 9:56pm
                Birdy said | July 18th 2017 @ 9:56pm | ! Report

                Neither does he.
                He’ll be able to explain himself tomorrow when he is sober.

              • July 19th 2017 @ 8:25am
                Oingo Boingo said | July 19th 2017 @ 8:25am | ! Report

                Spoken like a true politician.

            • July 18th 2017 @ 10:54am
              I ate pies said | July 18th 2017 @ 10:54am | ! Report

              What’s wrong with white men?

            • July 18th 2017 @ 8:45pm
              Tried Hard said | July 18th 2017 @ 8:45pm | ! Report

              But that’s the thing Mary, I never have seen Rugby League as a “White Mans” game ever since I started playing/following the game in the early eighties. In fact help it helped me introduce me to new cultures already, without the need for “Special” days.

              But if labeling people makes you “special”, by all means do it. Just don’t expect all to take you seriously.

              • Columnist

                July 18th 2017 @ 9:52pm
                Mary Konstantopoulos said | July 18th 2017 @ 9:52pm | ! Report

                This is about far more than people who ‘play’ the game Tried Hard. What about in the media? On the sidelines? In the board rooms? In the clubs?

              • July 19th 2017 @ 8:28am
                Oingo Boingo said | July 19th 2017 @ 8:28am | ! Report

                And more men in Netball associations, CWA meetings and big mobs of straight white men on the lesbian floats in the Mardi Gras .

              • July 19th 2017 @ 9:57am
                mushi said | July 19th 2017 @ 9:57am | ! Report

                Funny OB likening the NRL to lesbianism means that you believe it is a fundamental part of rugby league that women have to be excluded.

              • July 19th 2017 @ 6:51pm
                Oingo Boingo said | July 19th 2017 @ 6:51pm | ! Report

                Thank you Mr Freud.

          • July 18th 2017 @ 9:30am
            Jeff Morris said | July 18th 2017 @ 9:30am | ! Report

            All traditionally male oriented cultural activities are supposed to become gender neutral while traditionally female activities are not, for the most part (though that is changing with the transsexual thing). The reality is that people historically gravitated toward things that naturally appeal to their sex, not because of oppression but because of nature. Cherry picking a list of bullet points that make it seem like one sex is more victimized than the other is divisive and inherently subjective. Let people chose what interests them without social engineering. Its a solution in search of a problem.

      • July 18th 2017 @ 9:17am
        mad mick said | July 18th 2017 @ 9:17am | ! Report

        I agree Rugby League, AFL Rugby Union they are all the same. Its all lip service. Its a con. Women are wasting their time patronizing these sports.

        • July 18th 2017 @ 9:22am
          northerner said | July 18th 2017 @ 9:22am | ! Report

          I doubt it’s up to you to tell women whether they’re wasting their time or not. Particularly since they’re not so much patronizing the sports as beginning to change them.

    • Roar Guru

      July 18th 2017 @ 9:27am
      Magnus M. Østergaard said | July 18th 2017 @ 9:27am | ! Report

      I think one of the most important part about the current involvement of the women that you mentioned in your article is that every one of them earnt their place. None of them are there to address a gender imbalance or as a ‘token’ position if you will, they have all worked as hard if not harder than males in the same position.

      • Roar Guru

        July 18th 2017 @ 9:31am
        The Barry said | July 18th 2017 @ 9:31am | ! Report

        Well said VH

      • July 18th 2017 @ 10:25am
        jamesb said | July 18th 2017 @ 10:25am | ! Report

        Except for someone like Erin Molan. I don’t think she has earned the right to be a regular on the Footy Show. Her knowledge of the game is very limited. And she does come across as a “token female”

        My teenage niece recognizes this as well. We both prefer Yvonne Sampson.

        At the same time, it is healthy to critic women that hold positions within Rugby League and any sport for that matter, just like we do with their male counterparts. As a Dragons fan, for many years I’ve wanted Peter Doust to be ousted. And Dave Smith should not have been NRL CEO. He not only knew nothing about the game, but was inexperienced in sports administration.

        We want the right people to be employed, irrespective of their gender.

        • Roar Guru

          July 18th 2017 @ 11:16am
          Magnus M. Østergaard said | July 18th 2017 @ 11:16am | ! Report

          TBH haven’t watched a lick of Nein outside of SOO or GF for nearly 3 years now so wouldn’t know about her. Theres absoluetly nothing wrong with criticising people legitimately. One person I dont know how you can criticise is Dave Smith? The game has gone backwards since he left. He doesn’t need to know much about the game every other person on the ARLC and in the NRL heriachy did, an outside person is not a bad thing and he brought the game a long way forward only for it to stagnate now he is gone.

          • July 18th 2017 @ 11:56am
            jamesb said | July 18th 2017 @ 11:56am | ! Report

            “The game has gone backwards since he left.”

            Disagree. The game has gone backwards since he took charge. He wasn’t the right fit. His biggest mistake was he signed off on a tv deal that wasn’t complete, and gave News Corp fresh ammunition to be negative about the game.

            With the Footy Show, sometimes I give it five minutes, especially after the Thursday night game. Sadly, it’s five minutes I won’t get back.

            • Roar Guru

              July 18th 2017 @ 12:58pm
              Magnus M. Østergaard said | July 18th 2017 @ 12:58pm | ! Report

              That deal he got was the best TV rights deal this game will ever have. Mark my words. He forced NEws Corp to come to the party on bigger bucks than they were offering and it worked. He wasnt a football man, he was a business man and he knew what he was doing, unlike the current directionless crop.

        • Roar Guru

          July 18th 2017 @ 12:20pm
          Nat said | July 18th 2017 @ 12:20pm | ! Report

          I would respectfully disagree about Erin Molan James. This may appear the case these days but keep in mind the Thursday Footy Show is an entertainment show. When she first started, she was doing the cross on the afternoon game/s on the Sunday show and was quite informed. Now I cannot guarantee she didn’t have a writer but from what I understand, they don’t. Let’s be honest, she is easy on the eye so I wasn’t surprised she made the panel in a short period of time. I do not have Fox at home but I did used to think Yvonne was the only professional holding the Sunday footy show together after Serlo left while Fittler and Johns gloated about the amount of partying they done. Both shows have lost credibility as Footy discussion panels and Erin has been cast into a role and wearing more make up than necessary but she can hold her own given the chance. She is also on 2GB/4BC on Saturday so try listen in then for her footy insights.

          • July 18th 2017 @ 3:30pm
            spruce moose said | July 18th 2017 @ 3:30pm | ! Report

            But…but…but his teenage niece said Molan hasn’t earned a spot?

            Doesn’t that mean anything to you?

        • July 18th 2017 @ 1:44pm
          Chris said | July 18th 2017 @ 1:44pm | ! Report

          You still watch the Footy Show?

        • Roar Guru

          July 18th 2017 @ 2:26pm
          Julian King said | July 18th 2017 @ 2:26pm | ! Report

          jamesb, can a woman not appear token to you in a traditionally male dominated sport and a male dominated program?

          The broader point Mary makes is the more women appear on our screens, the less “tokenistic” it appears in the long run. That’s the end game here. Women on the sidelines now seem entirely unremarkable, as they should, thanks to the likes of Debbie Spillane, Margie McDonald, Jacquelin Magnay et al.

          Erin is a consummate professional and a polished presenter. That’s exactly what the program needed to offset the boofheadedness and waffle. Her interview with Wayne Bennett a few years back, for example, was as good a rugby league interview I’ve heard conducted, male or female.

          As an aside, I too am a Dragons fan. I want Doust gone. Too much power.

      • Columnist

        July 18th 2017 @ 9:52pm
        Mary Konstantopoulos said | July 18th 2017 @ 9:52pm | ! Report

        Good call!

    • July 18th 2017 @ 9:30am
      In brief said | July 18th 2017 @ 9:30am | ! Report

      It’s paternalistic- imagine having a women in tennis day and giving prizes to the tea lady. Rugby league is a sport played predominantly by men – better to have a volunteers round

    • Roar Rookie

      July 18th 2017 @ 9:30am
      Hard Yards said | July 18th 2017 @ 9:30am | ! Report

      The sentiments expressed in this article does nothing but undermine the confidence of young women. 23% pay gap between genders? Let’s compare apples with apples. If you add up what all the high risk/high reward men in investment banking earn and add up what all the women in pre-school care earn – there is a pay gap in total. Is that gender, or because more guys work in one ultra competitive business rather than another line of work.

      I’ll bet the female partners in your law firm don’t have a gender gap in what they earn as compared to male partners. If partners are paid differently, I’ll bet it comes down to who bills more.

      This attitude that young women are doomed to failure is a disgrace – and more so when it’s promoted by a woman.

      We saw the pitiful and destructive comment by Hillary Clinton blaming the Glass Ceiling for her failure to outwit Trump who had every vested interest in that country railed against him. Clinton was one of two candidates for the US Presidency. Glass Ceiling? Fair dinkum.

      Girls do better than boys in Australian schools. Why? More women graduate from University in Australia than men. Why? Let’s not beat around the bush – at senior levels, and boards in particular, women are appointed – because – they are women. Why? Is gender balance more meritorious than demonstrated expertise?

      As for domestic violence and murder; they are Crimes, and the they apply regardless of gender. As for men engaging in domestic violence – and I think it’s stupid to categorise it as ‘ domestic’, as if it somehow should be perceived differently. Get with the programme! I don’t know any men who have anything but contempt for blokes who deck women – but that contempt doesn’t arise when men hit men. Or when women hit men. But the law is the law

      Do you know anyone who called for Semi Radrada to be stood down when he was charged with assault against a woman, a charge that was later withdrawn? Even though we have an innocent until proven legal system?

      Women – in the main because they can produce children- do, rightly in my view, hold a precious and respected place in the hearts and minds of men. I’m not sure that women do as between themselves all that often.

      Look outside your window. Everything you see out there has been invented, designed and built by men. Men hold more than 90% of all patents – because they take risks, go broke, get divorced, and laughed at in pursuit of a dream. A dream that they turn into reality.

      As I’ve told my daughters and grand daughters: do not listen to the BS about systemic discrimination spruiked by women. The world works like this: it rewards the best. People don’t care about gender; they care about results. So if you think you see an opportunity; seize it; rejoice in it, and don’t let any power on earth take it from you.

      That’s the favour that public commentators can do for young women.

      • Roar Guru

        July 18th 2017 @ 9:34am
        The Barry said | July 18th 2017 @ 9:34am | ! Report

        I agree…the world needs more investment bankers and fewer f..kin teachers.

        • Roar Guru

          July 18th 2017 @ 9:40am
          The Barry said | July 18th 2017 @ 9:40am | ! Report

          Comment above is a joke HY.

          What you’re saying in many ways is a positive message.
          But it only really applies to possibly two or three generations of women. If that.

          It doesn’t account for the previous thousand generations where women weren’t provided equal opportunity. Had to fight for an education. Where ‘domestic’ violence was fine as long as you kept it behind closed doors and only use a closed fist when she’s really asking for it.

          Your daughters and grand daughters sound like they’ll be prepared to go out into the world. But they’ll still face discrimination AND they’re lucky to have been born now and not as far back as even 100 years ago.

          • July 18th 2017 @ 9:50am
            Oingo Boingo said | July 18th 2017 @ 9:50am | ! Report

            Any idea what the ratio of men to women who died in the 1st world war ?
            Probably not a good time to be a young man either .

            • Roar Guru

              July 18th 2017 @ 10:06am
              The Barry said | July 18th 2017 @ 10:06am | ! Report

              No it wasn’t a good time for young men.

              But women weren’t allowed to fight so you can’t really measure their contribution in something they weren’t allowed to do.

              Which is sort of the point.

              I’m not really interested in comparing who’s had it worse during history. There’s nothing wrong with trying to make things fair now.

              • July 18th 2017 @ 10:16am
                Oingo Boingo said | July 18th 2017 @ 10:16am | ! Report

                My point is , as HY as pointed out , the statistics are cherry picked to support the narrative.
                How many men suicide as a result of family court decisions,,, ahh who cares their just gutless wimps .
                The media would have you believe, Everyone in society today can be allocated to some group of victims, except white men , they can only be perpetrators.

            • Roar Rookie

              July 18th 2017 @ 12:21pm
              catcat said | July 18th 2017 @ 12:21pm | ! Report

              Any idea of the ratio of women to men who died giving birth?
              Probably not a good time to be a young woman either

              • July 18th 2017 @ 12:47pm
                Birdy said | July 18th 2017 @ 12:47pm | ! Report

                Car Cat,
                Any idea of the ratio of men to women who died as a result of womens periods? ?
                Probably not a good time to be a man.
                Not serious , just a joke. A light hearted comment.
                Don’t hate me Cat Cat.

              • July 19th 2017 @ 4:54pm
                Jacko said | July 19th 2017 @ 4:54pm | ! Report

                Any idea how many woman v men have Circumsisions? not good to be a male baby!!!

              • July 19th 2017 @ 8:03pm
                Birdy said | July 19th 2017 @ 8:03pm | ! Report

                Unfortunately your so totally wrong Jacko.
                I’ll leave that for Oingo boingo to knock out of the park.

          • Roar Rookie

            July 18th 2017 @ 10:08am
            Hard Yards said | July 18th 2017 @ 10:08am | ! Report

            We’re alive today TB. The dead are gone. The future will in large part be built by what we do today. And today the global shift in income is well underway such that China and India between them will have 50% of global GDP by 2050.

            Australian women, and men, have a real fight on their hands in the years ahead and we need all of our population firing to its potential lest we become an impoverished backwater with a tiny population. The only people who give a rat’s about what happens to the people living here, are the people living here.

            If the charge is that my advice applies to girls and women who are alive – and not those that are dead, then I plead guilty.

            • July 18th 2017 @ 10:51am
              mushi said | July 18th 2017 @ 10:51am | ! Report

              Yep the work done by prior generations has never affected the ability of future generations to succeed.

            • July 18th 2017 @ 3:32pm
              spruce moose said | July 18th 2017 @ 3:32pm | ! Report

              Thanks Adolf.

            • July 18th 2017 @ 6:21pm
              Andy og said | July 18th 2017 @ 6:21pm | ! Report

              My God man,Doctor Who rang he wants the Tardis back. Anyone who believes you get what you deserve in life has obviously come from a position of privilege which women still.to this day do not.

              • Roar Pro

                July 18th 2017 @ 11:38pm
                J.C. said | July 18th 2017 @ 11:38pm | ! Report

                Speaking of which the new Doctor Who is a woman and apparently it has upset a lot of people. Buggered if i know why its just a tv show and women have been doctors for over a century now, so i see no legitimate reason for an uproar.
                Here is a riddle

                A man and his son have a car accident and are taken to hospital. The man is ok but the son requires live saying surgery, the on duty surgeon takes one look at the boy and saids ” i cant operate on this boy for he is my son” . So why cant the doctor operate on the boy. Try and figure it out roarers

              • July 19th 2017 @ 9:58am
                mushi said | July 19th 2017 @ 9:58am | ! Report

                Ah Tin Cup.

              • Roar Pro

                July 19th 2017 @ 10:43am
                J.C. said | July 19th 2017 @ 10:43am | ! Report

                Try again

              • July 19th 2017 @ 11:48am
                mushi said | July 19th 2017 @ 11:48am | ! Report

                The riddle was in tin cup, asked by Kevin Costner’s character to two male colleagues and answered by Renee Russo’s character, who was a doctor, as she steps in for her first lesson,

                It’s then followed up by Costner’s character fallign for the same bias when he says something along the lines of “I was expecting doctor…”

              • Roar Pro

                July 19th 2017 @ 1:27pm
                J.C. said | July 19th 2017 @ 1:27pm | ! Report

                Oh thanks for the lesson

              • Roar Pro

                July 19th 2017 @ 1:30pm
                J.C. said | July 19th 2017 @ 1:30pm | ! Report

                Also, i did not hear that from tin cup. I heard it in a work seminar for equal rights and perceptions. But you get the point that some people outhere cant get past that women can be doctors when its been going on for over a century, hence the uproar about Dr Who, as they think doctor they think man. Who knows maybe marvel might change Dr Strange into a woman as well

        • Roar Guru

          July 18th 2017 @ 12:43pm
          Nat said | July 18th 2017 @ 12:43pm | ! Report

          Hard Yards, that is about the dumbest thing I have ever read closely followed by the misogynist garbage spewed by Bert. It is an ill informed opinion an you need to get back to your cave.

      • July 18th 2017 @ 9:59am
        mushi said | July 18th 2017 @ 9:59am | ! Report

        See Mary, men are just BETTER and women should make babys and be happy for a job as a preshcool teacher…

        “let’s compare apples with apples.” As someone who has worked front office in multiple investment banks, and sat on diversity committees, there still remains a pay gap in professional services. I’ve pointed this out to you before.

        “Is gender balance more meritorious than demonstrated expertise”, nope but you won’t get true meritocracy without gender balance. We tend to hire in our image, not because it actually represents meritocracy but for self validation. It also leads to less effective decision making and has been tested time and time again. It’s been pointed out to you time and time again. Quota’s just attempt to level the playing field over time to that of a meritocracy

        “Everything you see out there has been invented, designed and built by men. Men hold more than 90% of all patents – because they take risks, go broke, get divorced, and laughed at in pursuit of a dream. A dream that they turn into reality.”

        Yep had nothing to do with access to capital, education, social constructs, unconscious bias etc.

        Putting gender to one side, anyone that thinks the world is a meritocracy is incapable of rational thought.

        But I do love the token defence of “I told my daughters and granddaughters…” after saying men are generally better at everything important where as women have a role to play making baby’s and teaching in preschools.

        • July 18th 2017 @ 10:55am
          I ate pies said | July 18th 2017 @ 10:55am | ! Report

          Unless you work in payroll or HR you don’t know what people get paid.

          • July 18th 2017 @ 2:14pm
            mushi said | July 18th 2017 @ 2:14pm | ! Report

            Well first off that’s not right, I got a pretty detailed rem report as a board member the other week. Also the level of visibility does depend on the level you are at.

            But even then you are talking about at an individual level. In my experience HR provided reports for various committees and internal reporting so you know decisions can be made using actual information rather than assumptive gut feel.

            There was also industry wide data compiled by third parties using sanitised data.

            Plus you get external salary benchmarking as well that often showed a gap.

        • Columnist

          July 18th 2017 @ 9:53pm
          Mary Konstantopoulos said | July 18th 2017 @ 9:53pm | ! Report

          You’re right mushi…. women remain underrepresented because we just aren’t good enough. Let me go back to the kitchen and make some cupcakes.

      • Roar Guru

        July 18th 2017 @ 10:02am
        Edward Kelly said | July 18th 2017 @ 10:02am | ! Report

        Whole-hearted agree with your sentiments Hard Yards. Sadly it has come to the point that I’m glad I have daughters and not sons, when it shouldn’t really make a difference. My daughters will get lots and lots of positive messages directed towards them about what they can do. Young men now just get a lot of negative messages and substantial blame for the woes of the world.

      • July 18th 2017 @ 10:05am
        Dave said | July 18th 2017 @ 10:05am | ! Report

        You’re a sad, sad man.

        • July 18th 2017 @ 11:16am
          Bert said | July 18th 2017 @ 11:16am | ! Report

          If everybody becomes gay.

          We can stop population and overcrowding problems in say; 80 or 90 years.

          • July 18th 2017 @ 1:41pm
            Oingo Boingo said | July 18th 2017 @ 1:41pm | ! Report

            I’m sure the greens will push for it to become compulsory in the near future.

      • July 18th 2017 @ 11:40am
        Geoff from Bruce Stadium said | July 18th 2017 @ 11:40am | ! Report

        You raise some interesting points HY – the gender wage gap is much larger in some industries than others – for example in teaching and the public services the gap is minimal as these sectors have a high share of women in the workforce and a culture of encouraging workplace equity and gender diversity. But in financial services the gap is much larger. There could be many reasons for this including women finding it harder to force their way into higher paying managerial positions. The overall gender wage gap is also much smaller when you look at hourly wage rates rather than weekly earnings – about 8% vs 16% – due to men working on average longer hours per week. And female career paths experience interruptions when they go on maternity leave and many seek part time work and less responsibility when they return in order to care for young children. And its true that women account for a higher proportion of people attending universities today compared with twenty years ago. You would think this trend would have to have an impact on lowering gender wage gaps and providing more opportunities for women in more senior positions in years to come.

        I think its great that women like Yvonne Sampson and Erin Moylan have forged careers in covering rugby league. It couldn’t have been easy in such a male dominated environment.

        • Roar Rookie

          July 18th 2017 @ 2:03pm
          Paulo said | July 18th 2017 @ 2:03pm | ! Report

          Its a wonder men get hired at all given they have to pay us so much more to do the same job. When I get my business up and running I will only hire women and make a killing by saving on staff costs.

      • Columnist

        July 18th 2017 @ 12:28pm
        AJ Mithen said | July 18th 2017 @ 12:28pm | ! Report

        I gotta say I’m amazed this comment made it through. Lift your game mods.

      • Roar Guru

        July 18th 2017 @ 3:13pm
        Julian King said | July 18th 2017 @ 3:13pm | ! Report

        Yeah it sucks being a man…..

    • July 18th 2017 @ 10:08am
      Jimmmy said | July 18th 2017 @ 10:08am | ! Report

      Hi Mary, I like women in league round , I like indigenous round . What is wrong with celebrating people who contribute so much to our game? Showing appreciation and admiration is just good manners. Leave gender wars out of it.
      I am glad the nrl is going slowly on a women’s comp. The last thing we need is for a comp we start to fall over.
      I will certainly be watching on Sunday morning. Go the Maroons!!

      • July 18th 2017 @ 11:46am
        tols said | July 18th 2017 @ 11:46am | ! Report

        Are you trolling or really just that dense? Hard to tell

      • July 18th 2017 @ 12:00pm
        jamesb said | July 18th 2017 @ 12:00pm | ! Report

        Maybe have a KFC Round. When fans go to the game, they receive a free bucket of KFC. That will bring the crowds back.

      • July 18th 2017 @ 12:09pm
        Jimmmy said | July 18th 2017 @ 12:09pm | ! Report

        As if they are logically equivalent sub groups of people .Thinking requires effort . Arguing requires knowledge.

      • Roar Pro

        July 18th 2017 @ 11:43pm
        J.C. said | July 18th 2017 @ 11:43pm | ! Report

        The Nrl love the Indigenous and womens rounds too Jimmy, just another jersey cash cow to go with thier marvel, hertiage, anzac, movie promotional or what ever other excuse they can come up with to get us to spend another $160.00 on another jersey that we dont need. I know its not the whole reason they do these rounds, but the bottom line is make more money. Im also a huge fan of those rounds but i cant see the connection between aussie rugby league and marvel comics???? Just Stan Lee like footy or something,?? nope sorry just the royalties he gets from the jersey sales.

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