Why it's time for coaching change at Collingwood and Port Adelaide

By Conor / Roar Guru

With Rodney Eade receiving the sack by the Suns during the week after three dismal seasons, it seems speculation will now move to other teams and their coaches. Nathan Buckley and Ken Hinkley’s teams have each had different stories for their team this year.

Let’s start with Nathan Buckley.

A loved club figure by many Pies fans, Buckley was seen as a great player by many die-hard Collingwood supporters, winning a Brownlow Medal, a Norm Smith Medal, and receiving seven All-Australian nominations across his 280-game career.

He retired at the end of 2007, taking a few years away from the club before joining them as an assistant coach at the end of 2010. He took over the reins of the Pies from former premiership coach Mick Malthouse following the 2011 season, as per previously planned.

2012 was a success, winning sixteen games during the home-and-away season to finish fourth.

The finals didn’t quite go their way, unlike previous seasons, going down to Hawthorn by 38 points in the qualifying final, winning their semi-final against West Coast by 13 points, then losing to eventual premiers Sydney by 26 points in their preliminary final. Their finals win against West Coast would be Buckley’s only finals win as a coach to date.

The departure of premiership players would start at the end of 2012, with Sharrod Wellingham and Chris Dawes leaving to West Coast and Melbourne respectively, and Chris Tarrant retiring.

In the draft that year, they took Brodie Grundy, Ben Kennedy, Tim Broomhead, Jackson Ramsay, Kyle Martin, Sam Dwyer, Adam Oxley, and Jack Frost, with Grundy the only one looking a star five years later.

(AAP Image/Julian Smith)

2013 resulted in the mighty Pies sliding down the ladder, winning 14 games throughout the season to finish sixth. They went on to lose their elimination final to, guess who, Port Adelaide by 24 points. Once again, premiership players left the club and they struggled to use their draft picks efficiently.

Dale Thomas and Heath Shaw left the club for Carlton and the Giants, and they gained Taylor Adams who has been quality for the Pies. Ben Johnson retired, while Alan Didak and Darren Jolly were given the chop from the list. They drafted Matt Scharenberg, Nathan Freeman, Tom Langdon, and Jonathon Marsh, with only Tom Langdon making an impact for the team four years into their career.

In 2014, they missed finals, once again sliding down the ladder, splitting the ledger to finish 11th. Heriter Lumumba and Dayne Beams requested to be traded, with the club picking up Jack Crisp and Travis Varcoe, which appears to be a win to date, however, Varcoe is ageing.

Former skipper Nick Maxwell and Luke Ball retired, leaving only ten premiership players on the list after five years, three years after Buckley became the head coach. It was insisted that he was transforming the list and making it his own, which he continued. They managed to get their hands on Jordan De Goey, Darcy Moore, Brayden Maynard, Matt Goodyear, Michael Manteit, Brenden Abbott, and Mason Cox, with three of those players currently looking like future stars.

They finished 12th in 2015, winning ten games to continue their sliding trend. They managed to get Adam Treloar and James Aish, and were highly favoured to break their finals drought with those recruitments.

They selected Brayden Sier, Tom Phillips, Rupert Wills, Ben Crocker, Josh Smith, Tim Golds, and Darrean Wyatt, with none making much impact to date.

They once again failed to make finals in 2016, winning nine games. Travis Cloke and Nathan Brown departed to the Dogs and Saints respectively, with Brent Macaffer, Alan Toovey, and Dane Swan retiring, to leave only five premiership players on the list. They made some questionable recruiting choices, poaching Daniel Wells and Chris Mayne to the Holden Centre. It’s too early to tell how their draftees from 2016 will fare.

Collingwood currently sit thirteenth, having a record of 8-11-1 after 20 games, and are all but locked out of finals. Wells has turned out to be a strong recruit, seeing the Pies are 7-2-1 with him in the side. Mayne has turned out as one of the worst recruits of all time, and that’s saying something.

There appears to be an unhealthy reliance on Daniel Wells, much like Gold Coast with Gary Ablett and Geelong with Danger-wood.

(AAP Image/Julian Smith)

Now for Ken Hinkley.

Hinkley has Port Adelaide sitting in the top eight this year where they look set for the finals. Credit where it is due, he has taken a horrible team and made them quality opposition since 2013.

They won 12 games in Hinkley’s first year to play finals. He led them to an elimination final win over Collingwood by 24 points, before going down by 16 points to Geelong at the MCG.

Despite many tips for Port Adelaide to miss the finals, they went even further. They won ten of their first 11 games, however, the power went out for them temporarily to finish fifth with only fourteen wins.

They absolutely thrashed Richmond by 57 points in an elimination final, beat Fremantle by 22 points in the semis, then went down to eventual premiers Hawthorn by less than a kick in a thrilling match.

The next few years were very mediocre, winning 12 games in 2015 to finish ninth, Richmond’s favourite ladder position. The following year, they went further down the ladder, winning ten games to finish tenth. Going into this year, it was either finals or bust for Ken Hinkley.

(AAP Image/Ben Macmahon)

They currently sit in sixth, having a record of 12-8. So far this season, they have beat Swans during their 0-6 start, Fremantle, Carlton, Brisbane, Gold Coast, Hawthorn, Collingwood, West Coast, North Melbourne, and St Kilda. The most impressive of this list has been the Swans, who sit above Port in fifth.

If the Power played the Swans now though, would they win? Probably not.

West Coast is the second best on this list, but are unlikely to make finals, and will struggle to win a final due to their inability to beat a top eight side.

If Port Adelaide want to be a serious premiership contender, they must get rid of Ken Hinkley. As for Collingwood, unless they want another year of mediocrity, Buckley must be shown the door.

The Crowd Says:

2017-08-18T09:29:11+00:00

Chris

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That will decline if the current situation continues. The point is action needs to be taken and members should not be taken for granted. Besides I would rather have fewer members and Premierships.

2017-08-18T04:10:35+00:00

Pieman

Guest


Fatman ... well written. Its simple ... get rid of buckley and Mr ed get Stuart Dew as coach and find a humble president and we will be back on track. The media laims the players are playing for the coach...its ashame the coach isnt coaching for the players. I dont think buckley understands the statement "playing to your strengths " he just sets up a "game plan" expecting everyone to follow it rather than playing to natural strenghts. He just doesnt get it ..my opinion. He has unfortunately shot himself in the foot by starting out with a huge ego which admitedly is slowly translating into a little humility too little too late at Collingwood though.

2017-08-18T03:56:45+00:00

truetigerfan

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That's absolute bollocks, Chris. He has no regard for your opinions because you disagree with him. He again denigrates the Fatman and Bretto in today's forum without them even posting. But I suppose the mods won't post this, shouldn't have posted this most recent slight!

2017-08-17T23:11:10+00:00

Peter the Scribe

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Chris, apologies as it seems you are indeed a true Pie supporter of old....true Tiger fan is using aiases and trolling all Pies supporters so watch out for him...keep your passion going Chris I dont agree Daicos and Billy Picken are the way forward but like reading your comments...both of us only want the Pies to go forward and we are both entitled to our opinions....Go Pies!

2017-08-17T16:40:51+00:00

Chris

Guest


I am about to give up on these losers and I believe that this webpage manager ought to intervene so that bad language and attacks on persons are prohibited and barred from this blog.

2017-08-17T16:38:36+00:00

Chris

Guest


I will leave this webpage at the current rate of trash being servied up by elements who don't take decent commentaries like mine seriously and slag me off as a Tiger fan or a fair weather supporter. Kindly stick to the facts and do away with personal attacks on persons who really love the Great Australian Game and the Mighty Woods.

2017-08-17T16:34:25+00:00

Chris

Guest


You have no idea as to the reality of football. It is a very simple game. Mark,handball or kick long to position and then kick accurately at goal. When you don't have the ball, man-up and tackle. How difficult is that? These Johnnys have complicated the game and confused our playerrs beyond belief. Give me a direct playing style up the middle any day. It won finals in the thirties, forties,fifties, sixties etc etc etc. The rest is pure codswallop...Next time Peter please refrain from personal attacks because I don't take kindly to people giving me lables when they don't know me! P.S. Now these modern day jokers call it CORRIDOR...What a fiasco!!! It's the thing that has defined our game for more than a century. Direct football....

2017-08-17T16:27:16+00:00

Chris

Guest


Peter The Scribe...get your facts right. I don't have a cowardly yellow stripe across my back and I can tell you point blank that I was born in Johnston Street and not Swan Street. Thank you for your insulting remarks as to my football heritage and background. I insist on bringing in decent true Collingwood folk. Why are all those I mentioned previously who have done well at Hawthorn, Sydney and other places been ignored at Vic Park? Ireland, Wright, Monkhurst, Barham etc....I think the old-timers are much more in touch with football than anyone else. I would even bring in Stan Magro as a tackiling coach and Kevin Worthington as a defensive coach.They were both great kicks of a football and knew how to defend and smother...Those guys were pure class and I don't care what you Johnny come latelys think...Just check out the You Tube videos with a more discerning eye...

2017-08-17T09:50:42+00:00

dexter

Guest


A quick hack reveals that Brayden is, in fact, Peter the Scribe. Desperate?

2017-08-17T02:01:29+00:00

truetigerfan

Guest


Takes two. Suggest you read ALL the threads before being so judgmental. You don't think he doesn't troll to see his name in print and to castigate anyone who disagrees with him? "I have won." And you want me to grow up!

2017-08-17T02:00:08+00:00

Peter the Scribe

Guest


Reality Check.....not if he is granted a contract extension.

2017-08-17T01:12:44+00:00

Brayden Rise

Guest


True Tiger Fan, I am new here and really enjoying the comments of most footy supporters. However, all you seem to do is troll Pete the scribe and it is quite juvenile and annoying. Makes me want to leave the site for good which is a shame as the vast majority in here appear to be footy lovers whereas you seem to be fixated with both Collingwood and Pete the Scribe....it's really boring. Grow up! If you don't like petes comments simply stop reading Pies articles!

2017-08-17T01:09:24+00:00

Peter the Scribe

Guest


Tiny Tiger Fan...the membership numbers are released and the Pies sit on top....you can bleat all you like and make up as many aliases as you like to support yourself but the vast majority of true pies fans have spoken with their membership. Unwavering support for Eddie and Bucks. I rest my case. I have won. No warm up that microwave for september son after tidying your room! Hahaha

2017-08-17T00:29:21+00:00

cleverman

Guest


Peter, peter, peter. You bring such shame to the Magpie clan. Please desist from stooping so low.

2017-08-17T00:07:53+00:00

truetigerfan

Guest


Ha-ha. Still no rationality to your SaveBucksCampaign. You insult fellow members/supporters with a pout and gay abandon much to the amusement of most bloggers here. Starting to believe the Arts student theory. Keep punching, Peter! You are hilarious!

2017-08-16T23:11:31+00:00

Peter the Scribe

Guest


intelligent response ....showing you are indeed still at school! Now go tidy your room son!

2017-08-16T22:50:22+00:00

The Scribbler

Guest


Peter, so Glad you embrace Eddie and Bucks like I embraced the Bagwan and Sheila in the 80s. Why did their reign end . . . 'cause they were full of it! Wake up before you go-go.

2017-08-16T22:39:18+00:00

truetigerfan

Guest


Tosser!

2017-08-16T22:07:23+00:00

Peter the Scribe

Guest


Well said Ian! yes despite the lengthy protestations and hate from Bretto, Fatman and Tiny Tiger Fan it appears the Pies true faithful are indeed sticking with the club. Meanwhile get set for more microwaved memberships when Richmond fall out of the finals, Whatever all the bleating in here, most true Pies fans are clearly behind Eddie and Bucks. the so called "some of our own" in here most likley all Richmond fair weather supporters!

2017-08-16T21:05:38+00:00

truetigerfan

Guest


'Much better than poor old Richmond.' Slight exaggeration or merely a pathetic slight!

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