Should Hayne stay or should he go?

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    Jarryd Hayne is one of the most naturally gifted players I have ever had the opportunity to watch.

    Being a Parramatta fan, Jarryd was on my radar before he burst onto the scene, at age 18 in 2006, making his debut for the Eels against the Penrith Panthers.

    There were plenty of whispers before then about this prodigy who would be a key part of the squad and potentially help lead the club to our first premiership since 1986.

    We all know how that ended.

    Jarryd never won a premiership with the Eels. The team was often accused of relying on him too heavily and perhaps because of that they underperformed. As for Jarryd, he was inconsistent and at times looked like he was floating in and out of games.

    He’s most fondly remembered for that magic run in 2009, when Parramatta won ten out of their last 11 games to make the finals and then progress to the grand final, but nothing much since. Jarryd left the club at the end of 2015 to pursue his ‘dream’ – playing NFL for the San Francisco 49ers. He returned to the NRL at the end of last year to play for the Gold Coast Titans.

    But being a successful rugby league player takes more than just raw talent. Unfortunately, I’ve seen enough of Jarryd over the past decade to be sure that his legacy will always be tarnished by his off-field antics and that, despite playing footy for over a decade, the only rugby league he will be remembered for is that ‘run’ in 2009 and his role in helping New South Wales win State of Origin in 2014.

    That’s a short legacy for a player many were convinced would be the greatest they had ever seen.

    After watching the Eels plateau from 2009 onward, it does not surprise me in the slightest that things have soured between Jarryd and coach Neil Henry at the Titans.

    I watched Jarryd’s press conference when he signed with the Gold Coast last year and it seemed like something was off. He didn’t look excited to be joining his new club.

    The press conference was underwhelming, as Jarryd stood awkwardly holding a Titans polo shirt with CEO Graham Annesley.

    People questioned why he hadn’t returned to Parramatta – the club he said he would return to if he came back to the NRL. According to Jarryd, the Eels had not made him an offer.

    Perhaps Jarryd was cut off mid-sentence. The full line should have been that the Eels had not made him an offer that was big enough.

    Don’t get me wrong, I don’t begrudge players for chasing the money – in fact, I encourage it. Players have limited careers and during that time absolutely need to maximise their earning potential.

    What bothered me about that situation was the lie – Parramatta made Jarryd an offer, he just didn’t want to take it.

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    Since joining the Titans, his impact on the squad has been underwhelming. Similar to his time at the Eels, Jarryd has drifted in and out of games.

    At times he has shown a lack of urgency and – dare I say – interest. We see a glimpse of magic each week, but it disappears as quickly as it arrived. When Jarryd puts his mind to something he can be brilliant, but there appears to have been a real lack of commitment since he went north.

    Let’s look at the Titans’ recent record. In 2016, before Jarryd arrived, the team has had nine wins, nine losses and one draw for a winning percentage of 47 per cent. Since he signed on, the team has had nine wins and 18 losses for a winning percentage of 33 per cent.

    The Titans look better without him on the field – in particular during the State of Origin period, with wins over teams like the Sharks, Storm and Dragons.

    This is not an article blaming Jarryd for the Titans’ poor season. Injuries have contributed and perhaps the squad is no longer responding to the coach. What’s clear though is that the status quo cannot continue, because this unrest between player and coach can only have a negative impact on the rest of the squad.

    In the last week, things have boiled over.

    Henry came out last week and implied that he never wanted Jarryd at the club in the first place, and that the Origin star’s signing was a decision made by the board.

    If that’s true, I wonder why a board thinks it is their job to have such a determinative say in picking a key member of a playing roster for a coach.

    While the Titans board may have thought that the lure of Hayne would lead to more fans on the Gold Coast, and better attendances at Cbus Super Stadium, something else gets more fans to turn up: winning footy games.

    Alternatively, had Henry been on board with Jarryd signing, it’s worrying that he has the courage to so publicly distance himself from the issue.

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    Adding further fuel to the fire, Jarryd claimed that the coach did not speak to him in the week following the Titans’ disgraceful loss to the Broncos.

    It’s, of course, easier to blame someone else, and I wonder whether Jarryd made any attempt to speak to the coach himself?

    Talks were apparently held between Jarryd and Henry yesterday to try and fix the situation, but it sounds like one of them will be parting ways with the Titans at the end of the season – if not before.

    The decision the Titans make will very much define them as a club.

    Should the Gold Coast decide to release Henry and keep Jarryd, what happens if Jarryd does not like the new coach – could a similarly awkward situation arise?

    A player’s job is to listen to their coach and play football. Whether or not they like the coach is irrelevant, they should do their job. This is not happening at the moment.

    On the other hand, should the Titans decide to release Jarryd, where does he go next?

    Unfortunately, it seems that wherever the cross-code star goes, his attitude follows. It’s an attitude which, even more so in recent years, appears to be very focused on himself.

    I would be very surprised if clubs with cap space like the Newcastle Knights or Eels would take such a big chance. Whether the rumours of Jarryd causing friction in the dressing room are true or not, it’s too big a risk to take, particularly for two clubs on the rise.

    Whatever happens, the Titans had better make a decision quick, because the Brisbane Broncos are looking very closely at Ash Taylor. Losing the young-gun half could make Ash a very sad casualty of underlying problems between one player and coach.

    Mary Konstantopoulos
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    • August 15th 2017 @ 6:09am
      Lovey said | August 15th 2017 @ 6:09am | ! Report

      If Hayne’s lacklustre and selfish recent performances is because of a feud with the coach, he should not be in the team, period. And Ash Taylor should cool his heels, too.

      As many have said, what decent coach would want to step in now?

      • Columnist

        August 15th 2017 @ 9:00am
        Mary Konstantopoulos said | August 15th 2017 @ 9:00am | ! Report

        Lovey, I’m not sure that the lacklustre performance is just because of a feud with the coach – it’s something that I’ve seen Jarryd do throughout his career.

        Does he need the right coach to motivate him? I’m not sure.

        But this situation at the Titans is an absolute stinker – I think Hindy said that Hayne has worked with 7 different coaches over his career – none of them have really survived.

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          August 15th 2017 @ 9:51am
          Flat White said | August 15th 2017 @ 9:51am | ! Report

          I have a mate who was in sports science and he was doing some work with the Eels a few years back. He said every training run, Hayne would be wearing the hi-vis no contact shirt, he only took part in some of the training drills, always left the sessions early. Talented as he may be, you could never build a team around someone with that kind of attitude. Coaches need to be tougher on players like Hayne.

      • August 15th 2017 @ 9:08am
        The Fatman said | August 15th 2017 @ 9:08am | ! Report

        If he goes there could be trouble; if he stays there could be double.

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          August 15th 2017 @ 9:47am
          Flat White said | August 15th 2017 @ 9:47am | ! Report


        • August 15th 2017 @ 10:08pm
          Mick Jones said | August 15th 2017 @ 10:08pm | ! Report

          Hayne and Henry must be think the following

          This indecision’s bugging me (esta indecision me molesta)
          If you don’t want me, set me free (si no me quieres, librame)

    • August 15th 2017 @ 6:55am
      JoM said | August 15th 2017 @ 6:55am | ! Report

      From all accounts, there are quite a few players at the Titans who are having problems with Neil Henry and that includes Ash Taylor who has apparently been at odds with him for some time. One of the reasons he was sacked by the Cowboys was because he couldn’t manage the players, including Johnathon Thurston who had problems with him. Maybe Henry is one of the problems himself.

      • Columnist

        August 15th 2017 @ 9:02am
        Mary Konstantopoulos said | August 15th 2017 @ 9:02am | ! Report

        JoM – absolutely. I don’t think it is fair to blame only one party. Clearly both have contributed in some way to the existing situation. What inspired this article was more the patterns of behaviour I have seen over a number of years.

        I wonder how Hayne would do under a Bennett or a Bellamy?

        • August 15th 2017 @ 10:05am
          JoM said | August 15th 2017 @ 10:05am | ! Report

          A coach that is going to give him a boot up the bum when needed is probably exactly what he needs but obviously hasn’t had. I heard on the radio this morning also that it was a good thing Henry never coached Parra when Kenny and Grothe were there or they would never have got a game. They were saying that Kenny was a terrible trainer and Grothe didn’t even attend half the time

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            August 15th 2017 @ 10:15am
            Mary Konstantopoulos said | August 15th 2017 @ 10:15am | ! Report

            JoM – I don’t think you are comparing like for like.

            An era when the game was not professional and men were turning up to train after work and having to hold down full time jobs to pay the bills, compared to the situation we find ourselves in today is very different.

            • August 15th 2017 @ 2:39pm
              JoM said | August 15th 2017 @ 2:39pm | ! Report

              No I’m not comparing like for like, but it would be interesting to see how Kenny and Grothe who were probably my two favourites would go today.

              • August 16th 2017 @ 7:04pm
                Bonza said | August 16th 2017 @ 7:04pm | ! Report

                Kenny /Renouf were the best runners I’ve seen. Swerve, cha of pace sublime. Guru was just devastating.
                Both would be legends in any era.

        • August 15th 2017 @ 10:14am
          Gray-Hand said | August 15th 2017 @ 10:14am | ! Report

          People talk about Bennett being a great man manager, and that’s probably true for most players, most of the time. But he has no hesitation in cutting a player loose when he can’t work with them.
          Bennett has punted plenty of big names over the years – Wally Lewis, Anthony Mundine and Ben Barba are just a few off the top of my head. All of them still had plenty of football left in them.
          And I doubt Bellamy would ever even think of taking a player like Hayne.

    • August 15th 2017 @ 7:29am
      theHunter said | August 15th 2017 @ 7:29am | ! Report

      Hayne should remain. It is a coaches job to ensure his team gels well. If he keeps picking Hayne in the team than he sure damn well should try his best to get the chemistry running among the playing group.

      The coach seems to be blaming players (or even Hayne) on their run of bad form. People often said during Hayne’s signing that ‘hopefully the Titans do not become like the Eels and rely heavily on Hayne’ but that is exactly what Henry is implying here.

      The losses are Hayne’s fault? That’s absurd. He is part of a team, if Hayne is being heavily relied upon than that is the coach’s fault. Calm your team down, work with what you have and improve on their strengths.

      Henry is at fault here in my opinion. Bennett, Arthur or Bellamy would have already have plans on how to deal with Hayne in their team and improved the teams chances instead of going on record to blame players and have the media support him.

      • August 15th 2017 @ 8:09am
        zac said | August 15th 2017 @ 8:09am | ! Report

        jarrod hayne should wake up to himself you only have to look at the coaches who have coached him at parra . they were only there at the club for 2 yrs then they get sacked because of him . a guy whos on 1.2m a yr and playing like hes on $50 a yr. the guy is no where near the player he was .hes a lot slower and the games got a lot quicker. he looks like hes only there for his retirement money

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          August 15th 2017 @ 1:26pm
          Sleiman Azizi said | August 15th 2017 @ 1:26pm | ! Report

          Blaming Hayne for the dysfunctional boardroom culture at the Eels is ridiculous thinking.

          Geez, if you pushed any harder you could blame the Super League War on Hayne.

          • August 15th 2017 @ 1:41pm
            mushi said | August 15th 2017 @ 1:41pm | ! Report

            I think Hayne managed to assasinate kennedy, fake the moon landing and photo shop 9/11

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              August 15th 2017 @ 7:14pm
              Sleiman Azizi said | August 15th 2017 @ 7:14pm | ! Report

              Take one foot out of the village and the mob are after you if ever come back.

              It’s ridiculous.

      • Roar Guru

        August 15th 2017 @ 8:42am
        Emcie said | August 15th 2017 @ 8:42am | ! Report

        I highly doubt that Hayne is the kind of player Bennett or Bellamy would look at signing, they tend to look at players that either come from successful clubs or proven performers on bargin deals.

        The board backed Henry into a corner here, signing Hayne went completely against recruitment strategy Henry had in place and against the culture he was trying to build. How do you make a team gel when the processes you put in place to create a team that gels are thrown out at the whim of the board? And I don’t think you can suggest that the Titans are too reliant on Hayne on field, he can’t even lock down his starting position. We have a situation where the coach is not being allowed the control he needs to run the team and the club is starting to unwravel. There’s just too many chefs at the Titans

        • August 15th 2017 @ 3:30pm
          theHunter said | August 15th 2017 @ 3:30pm | ! Report

          I’m not stating that he’d be taken on board at Storms or Broncos, all I am saying is that this coaches would have known how to handle a player like Hayne (either getting dropped or given an ultimatum).

          Even if Henry didn’t decide or agree to Hayne’s signing, that doesn’t change the fact that he is the coach. He should at least try to make the necessary adjustments and work with the players at his disposal.

          And to make things worse, why didn’t Henry expose his true mindset at the beginning of the year or at least during the pre-season. Don’t you find it a little hypocritical to have him come out at the back end of the season???

          That is just unprofessional when he is playing the blame game at the end of the year to players and board, etc… He should be removed.

          • Roar Guru

            August 15th 2017 @ 3:56pm
            Emcie said | August 15th 2017 @ 3:56pm | ! Report

            I get what you’re saying, but I don’t think that either of those coaches would go anywhere a player like Hayne for the same reasons that Henry is having trouble with.

            To Henrys credit he has tried to find the best way to fit hayne in the system and has experimented with him at fullback, centre and five eighth. I’m not sure what necessary adjustments you’re reffering to when his six previous coaches struggled with him as well.

            And what’s this “true mind set” that Henry has revealed? He has purposely refused to get drawn into talking about hayne all season and he hasn’t once blamed Hayne. Reports about his feelings that have been printed in the paper rely heavily on hearsay and trusting undisclosed sources with undisclosed agendas.

            • August 15th 2017 @ 4:36pm
              Kilgore Trout said | August 15th 2017 @ 4:36pm | ! Report

              Well said Emcie . I agree with you on all your points . The NRL wanted Hayne back in the game at any cost (1.2 mill ) and at the time the Titans were the only viable fit . Prior to Hayne’s signing the Titans were playing well and had plenty of room in their cap to make some shrewd recruitments for this season . Henry had a good plan (that didn’t include Hayne) but his vision was scuppered by the NRL . Now the club want to scapegoat him . Seems to me that coaches are often hung in the town square for the actions of a inept board .

      • August 15th 2017 @ 8:42am
        Gray-Hand said | August 15th 2017 @ 8:42am | ! Report

        Bennett got rid of Wally Lewis because their personalities and philosophies didn’t gel. There have been lots of others too. Sometimes players just aren’t a good fit.

        • August 15th 2017 @ 3:39pm
          theHunter said | August 15th 2017 @ 3:39pm | ! Report

          Yes Gray-Hand that is what I was thinking of when I stated that Coaches like Bennett or Bellamy would have handled the situation much better than how Henry handled it.

          He kept picking him in the team but yet didn’t want him there to begin with is just incompetency. That shows that he didn’t trust the team he was picking but kept at it.

          He should have confronted Hayne and given him ultimatums before he even signed up again.

      • August 15th 2017 @ 8:50am
        Womblat said | August 15th 2017 @ 8:50am | ! Report

        Hayne should go. It’s easy to say he’s part of a team, and the team needs to “work with what they have”. But this is business, not sport. And business demands performance dividends. The amount he’s being paid is grossly disproportionate to his teammates, and on paper, Hayne should be winning games on his own.

        This single player takes up 17% of the entire salary cap for the entire first grade playing roster. Do the math. Each member of that roster should earn $280,000. He gets four times that, double what his nearest rival Ryan James gets, and what do the Titans get in return as a team? Only 65% of games played at all. 8 tackles per game, 100 meters average, 8 tries total. Compare that to Jarrod Wallace (140m, 33 tackles per game), Ryan James (37 tackles, 112 meters) and Kevin Proctor (29 tackles, 98 meters). Anthony Don and Konrad Hurrell have scored more tries, and he is the second lowest average tackle maker in the entire squad.

        On sheer return for investment on the field, squat. He must be worth a fortune off it, but there aren’t stats on that.

        • August 15th 2017 @ 9:31am
          Albo said | August 15th 2017 @ 9:31am | ! Report

          Sure you can get rid of Hayne, but then the Titans cap for 2018 will likely be $1.2m less than the rest of the Clubs ? There needs to be a good think about the Titans business in all this. Seems the two won’t work together and apparently Henry is not going that well with others in the squad. Letting Henry go @ his $400k salary might be the eventual decision with a “fingers crossed” hope that Hayne lifts his game for the new coach ?

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            August 15th 2017 @ 9:50am
            Emcie said | August 15th 2017 @ 9:50am | ! Report

            Sacking a coach in favour of a player that might not actually hang around after next year is a big risk though.

            The Titans wouldn’t actually have to pay the full $1.2m if another club took him on board though, and its not like he’d leave a massive hole in the side, they’ve been trying to fit four players into three positions in the spine since they signed him.

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              August 15th 2017 @ 12:23pm
              Mary Konstantopoulos said | August 15th 2017 @ 12:23pm | ! Report

              Emcie, which club do you think would take him on?

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                August 15th 2017 @ 1:21pm
                Emcie said | August 15th 2017 @ 1:21pm | ! Report

                For $1.2m? No one. But for a discounted $500k – $700 one year deal with the Titans topping up the rest? Knights? Roosters? Tigers?

                I’m of the opinion that Haynes price tag is a much bigger stumbling block when it comes to recruitment then his abilities or character. When he’s not the top billed player in your squad you get a lot more leeway in how you can handle him. And on the Titans side of things I reckon they could secure a capable player or two with the $500k or so moving Hayne on would free up next year if they felt the need, with another $700k being freed up the year after. But like I said before, Haynes signing was never really filling in any gaps in the playing roster in the first place and the cap space he takes up would have gone a long way to solving the depth issues the Titans suffered while going through their injury crisis in the first half of the season.

                I just think that moving Hayne on now puts the Titans in a much better place moving forward then waiting for him to move on and removing the coach instead does

            • August 15th 2017 @ 12:34pm
              Geoff from Bruce Stadium said | August 15th 2017 @ 12:34pm | ! Report

              Yes but which NRL club would be prepared to pay $1.2 million a season for a player who is not performing and arguably has contributed to the destabilisation of the Titans. He would be lucky to get 500K from any club the way he is going and the Titans would have to stump up the remaining 700K out of their salary cap in 2018. They lose a player of Hayne’s supposed quality and are 700K out of pocket. This makes a very good case for retaining Hayne for another season even though he is stinking up the place and getting rid of Henry who I’m not sure deserves it.

              This all comes back to the questionable decision to recruit Hayne in the first place at massive overs. He never looked like a good fit for a club of battling no names that were performing above expectations. The Titans are really in a no win situation here. If they sack Neil Henry Hayne will carry the can for destabilising the club. If they sack Hayne the club will most likely lose a big chunk out of their salary cap in 2018.

              • August 15th 2017 @ 1:53pm
                Albo said | August 15th 2017 @ 1:53pm | ! Report

                Spot on Geoff !
                A rock & a hard place are their only choices. And still both Hayne and Henry (and the Club) will all be losers out of this, whatever the decision is ! That’s why they have put the decision off hoping a miracle arrives before the end of the week. But I suspect they will end up just biting the bullet and try to make the best business decision, rather than any moral judgement that many of the fans are making.

        • August 15th 2017 @ 1:57pm
          RV said | August 15th 2017 @ 1:57pm | ! Report

          You’re comparing forwards to a fullback. Of course the number of tackles is going to be different.

          I’m not disagreeing with your underlying premise; just use some sensible statistics to back it up.

      • Columnist

        August 15th 2017 @ 9:07am
        Mary Konstantopoulos said | August 15th 2017 @ 9:07am | ! Report

        theHunter I agree in that so much about coaching is managing your team and the personalities in it.

        But does Henry really have a choice in whether to pick Hayne or not? Is putting him down to reserve grade an option?

        • August 15th 2017 @ 3:52pm
          theHunter said | August 15th 2017 @ 3:52pm | ! Report

          Yes Mary, at least Henry should have made it known to Hayne in the pre-season or earlier this year that he needs to perform to keep a starting position or he’d, either, be dropped to reserve grade or even perhaps to a bench position.

          At least an ultimatum or something for him to think about and boost his performances. Henry coming out at the back end of the season to express his mindset about Hayne is not a good look for an NRL Coach.

          He is playing the blame game and seems to avoid blame for his team not making the finals this year. He is bringing attention away from himself to Hayne and the Board for that decision.

          He should have made it known before this season started, before the State of Origin series even begun but no he waited for the End of the season to bring something up he didn’t agree with over an year ago? And also after Hayne re-signed?

          He has himself to blame. And as a Coach, you don’t pick a team you don’t trust, but he kept doing it and than blames the players again? That is not what a Coach is supposed to be doing at all.

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            August 15th 2017 @ 4:01pm
            Emcie said | August 15th 2017 @ 4:01pm | ! Report

            Do you really think Henry would be allowed to drop Hayne if the board has already gone over his head to sign him in the first place?I think you’re greatly over estimating the amount of leeway Henry has been allowed when dealing with Hayne

            • August 15th 2017 @ 5:08pm
              souvalis said | August 15th 2017 @ 5:08pm | ! Report

              But one of the reasons he won’t be retained is the angry Titans board who refute his claim that Hayne was signed without his blessing…they’ve accused him of telling porkies…

              Who said ‘it’s him or me’ out of the left side of his mouth…and ‘there’s no feud between Jarred and me’ this morning,out of the right side ?….Another porky pie ?

              A disciplinarian coach who has handed team selections over to his board ?? How does the stream of logic run on that one ? Can’t see Henry allowing that to happen for a nanosecond…

              And it’s not just Mano e mano,Annesley has said this is far broader than the 2….the tipping point is Ash Taylor who ‘reportedly’ won’t sign if Henry remains..even the number one media man Hayne basher Paul Kent has circled his wagons and softened his stance as further details slowly arise and the depth,width and circumstances of the unrest unfold…

            • August 16th 2017 @ 7:46am
              theHunter said | August 16th 2017 @ 7:46am | ! Report

              Maybe he has less power but at least he should have made his intentions or whatever idea he had about Hayne known to Hayne before the season even started. Can’t you see how hypocritical for him as a coach to make this known at the back end of the season? What’s he trying to prove here?

              A coach tries to work with what they have to try and better the team. He seems to have a dislike for players but than keeps picking them? That team doesn’t even have the trust of the coach himself.

              Even if the Board didn’t agree for Hayne to be dropped, at least Hayne would have known by than.

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                August 16th 2017 @ 9:40am
                Emcie said | August 16th 2017 @ 9:40am | ! Report

                What exactly has Henry “made known”? He hasn’t once said publicly that he doesn’t want Hayne and has stated numerous times that there is no fued. Anything that has been reported about his comments behind closed doors is heavily reliant on rumour and unnamed sources and has been broken exclusively by the extremely unreliable Daily Telegraph and their partners the Courier Mail. Your arguements seem heavily based on taking newspaper reports as fact and judging him accordingly

    • August 15th 2017 @ 7:56am
      Oingo Boingo said | August 15th 2017 @ 7:56am | ! Report

      Just when you thought you could read about league , the “serial headline” makes an appearance once again.
      I can’t say I’m looking forward to the next 177 articles about Hayne and the use of words such as “polarising” , “enigma” and “prodigy” to describe him .
      No offence intended Mary, but this really is a deadset boring subject .

      • August 15th 2017 @ 8:27am
        Jimmmy said | August 15th 2017 @ 8:27am | ! Report

        Nah, Oingo , Hayne is endlessly entertaining . Where would this years Origin series have been without Hayne ? The ‘ Jesus of Rio in game one , the failed glory grab in game two and then finally the plane crash in game three.
        Rugby League players like all sportsmen these days are becoming bland , cliche ridden , talking robots
        Someone that accidentally uploads a porn video at a school talk is none of those things.
        Love , him, loathe him , whatever, at least we care enough to have an opinion on him.
        I wouldn’t want him at my club but we need him in the game.

        • Roar Guru

          August 15th 2017 @ 8:55am
          Nat said | August 15th 2017 @ 8:55am | ! Report

          That’s an apt metaphor Jimmmy, he’s the ‘Plane crash’ we cannot stop watching. Mostly because the different fuel cells keep exploding.

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          August 15th 2017 @ 9:10am
          Hard Yards said | August 15th 2017 @ 9:10am | ! Report

          Jimmy, he is is good for the game, and he doesn’t even have a publicist. Arnold and Sylvester are drawing to a close. He might soon be in a cinema near you!

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            August 15th 2017 @ 11:57am
            Con Scortis said | August 15th 2017 @ 11:57am | ! Report

            Jarryd strikes me more Emilio Estevez than Arnie or Sylvester

            • August 15th 2017 @ 1:45pm
              mushi said | August 15th 2017 @ 1:45pm | ! Report

              Come on Breakfast Club, St Elmos Fire and Young Guns and then to pivot into champions, loaded weapon etc.

              Billy the kid is coming for you now

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                August 15th 2017 @ 5:42pm
                The Barry said | August 15th 2017 @ 5:42pm | ! Report

                Men at work, stakeout.

      • Columnist

        August 15th 2017 @ 9:09am
        Mary Konstantopoulos said | August 15th 2017 @ 9:09am | ! Report

        Oingo Boingo, with respect, the Roar isn’t here for you to find every piece interesting.

        This is a topic that interests me a great deal.

        Did the board sign Hayne against Neil Henry’s wishes?
        Is Hayne really a problem player or is this a media beat up?
        Why is Hayne so inconsistent?
        Would the Titans have been better off having never signed him?

        These are all things I’ve been thinking about over the last couple of days – hence the article.

        • August 15th 2017 @ 11:50am
          AGordon said | August 15th 2017 @ 11:50am | ! Report


          You’ve summed up this situation beautifully. The Titans are in a similar situation as Canterbury with Des Hasler; damned if you do and damned if you don’t.

          Get rid of Hayne – obvious hit under the salary cap but it sends a message that no one player makes a team…. but it also creates a problem with the Titans board IF they were the ones who decided to take Hayne on in the first place. If they get rid of Henry, they’re putting the player above the coach and I’m not sure that’s a healthy thing to do at any footie club.

          In similar vein, if Canterbury get rid of Des (and after the results he has NOT produced, they should), it would be a big financial cost but they can move forward with a new coach. If they keep him, unless something dramatic happens, the results will continue to be poor.

          Very interested to see how both circumstances play out.

          • Columnist

            August 15th 2017 @ 12:23pm
            Mary Konstantopoulos said | August 15th 2017 @ 12:23pm | ! Report

            Thanks for the kind words AGordon! I’m also interested – I didn’t think there would be so many potential coaching changes happening this late in the season.

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        August 15th 2017 @ 9:10am
        Mary Konstantopoulos said | August 15th 2017 @ 9:10am | ! Report

        P.S. I don’t think I used the word polarising, enigma or prodigy in my article – do I get any points for that?

      • August 15th 2017 @ 9:19am
        qwetzen said | August 15th 2017 @ 9:19am | ! Report

        Yep. But you forgot “predictable”. Hayne doesn’t belong in Qld. We’ve built our success on the “no duckheads” policy so let him go back to Sinney, he’s a natural fit there.

        • August 15th 2017 @ 9:24am
          Oingo Boingo said | August 15th 2017 @ 9:24am | ! Report

          And to the credit of QLD , I doubt he’d get a run if he was from there .

        • Roar Guru

          August 15th 2017 @ 9:40am
          The Barry said | August 15th 2017 @ 9:40am | ! Report

          Not a single duckhead in the history of Queensland rugby league…

          • Roar Rookie

            August 15th 2017 @ 10:02am
            Flat White said | August 15th 2017 @ 10:02am | ! Report

            The closest we’ve come is Michael Quokka, and even he was merely a Rooster.

          • August 15th 2017 @ 12:53pm
            Jimmmy said | August 15th 2017 @ 12:53pm | ! Report

            Now you’re learning TB.

          • August 15th 2017 @ 3:24pm
            Geoff from Bruce Stadium said | August 15th 2017 @ 3:24pm | ! Report

            I thought duckheads were from NZ

        • August 15th 2017 @ 10:31am
          Gray-Hand said | August 15th 2017 @ 10:31am | ! Report

          Hayne’s Jesus pose try celebration in origin one this year was a completely inexcusable breach of basic etiquette.
          Everyone knows that the appropriate way for a Queensland based NSW origin player to celebrate a try (especially at Lang Park) is to immediately display a sense humble contrition while politely acknowledging but not contributing to the celebration of any blues fans in the crowd.
          His manager, or mother, should have really taught him better.

        • August 15th 2017 @ 10:42am
          Granter said | August 15th 2017 @ 10:42am | ! Report

          But what about McGuire, Hodges, Langer, Hancock, Tallis, Slater, Smith, Chambers, Thaiday, Tate, Gee, Myles and co? There are more duckheads than not up there!

          • August 15th 2017 @ 1:02pm
            Jimmmy said | August 15th 2017 @ 1:02pm | ! Report

            I have the number of a friend who is a very good phsychiatrist . You need to see him ASAP. NSW paranoia is a well known mental illness.

            • Roar Guru

              August 15th 2017 @ 5:02pm
              Wolly said | August 15th 2017 @ 5:02pm | ! Report

              Haha very good! I know what you mean Jimmmy, that constant NSW paranoia about the Sydney-centric media, the preferential outcome for NSW players at the MRP and the referees doing everything possible to help Sydney teams is tiresome.

              Oh wait…

    • August 15th 2017 @ 8:00am
      Duncan Smith said | August 15th 2017 @ 8:00am | ! Report

      One key issue that gets overlooked is that Hayne isn’t as good a player as the media has built up. His ‘genius’ is largely a myth, also perpetuated in recent articles, like one in the SMH today.

      At around the same time the media was going gaga for Hayne at the end of 2009, Billy Slater was scoring four tries in a semi final against Manly, notching his 100th first grade try a week later against Brisbane, then taking the Clive Churchill medal the week after that.Which player do you think Gold Coast would rather have in their side?

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        August 15th 2017 @ 9:12am
        Mary Konstantopoulos said | August 15th 2017 @ 9:12am | ! Report

        Duncan, I think the thing about Hayne is that he is an exceptionally talented player but he is just extremely inconsistent and the effort doesn’t seem to be there week in week out. That’s what distinguishes him from players I immediately think of when I think of the word ‘great’ – like Smith, Slater, Thurston. You know you can rely on these players week in week out. You can barely rely on Hayne for a couple of games in the year.

        • Roar Guru

          August 15th 2017 @ 1:32pm
          Sleiman Azizi said | August 15th 2017 @ 1:32pm | ! Report

          Okay, and?

          Everyone knows that about Hayne and he has been that way for his whole career.


          • August 15th 2017 @ 3:20pm
            Gray-Hand said | August 15th 2017 @ 3:20pm | ! Report

            So that means that he doesn’t warrant $1.2 million per year. Thurston and Smith and Slater get paid that kind of money (probably less actually) to be the best every week. Hayne only manages to do it half the time, so he shouldn’t be getting the same money.
            We wouldn’t be having this conversation if the Titans board hadn’t signed him as the player to build the team around. If he was just recruited as a highly effective support player, and paid accordingly (maybe $700k), he’d be reasonable value.

            • Roar Guru

              August 15th 2017 @ 7:19pm
              Sleiman Azizi said | August 15th 2017 @ 7:19pm | ! Report


              But why is that Hayne’s fault and why is he getting the vitriol spewed out at him for the club to have forked out overs for him?

              It seems as if everybody agrees he wasn’t worth $1.2 million and that he doesn’t play a $1.2 million game.

              Yet Hayne gets blasted for accepting $1.2 million.

              • August 15th 2017 @ 10:42pm
                Gray-Hand said | August 15th 2017 @ 10:42pm | ! Report

                Hayne wasn’t getting paid $1.2 million before. The inconsistency was acceptable when he was getting paid less. It isn’t acceptable now that he is getting paid more.

                It’s pretty difficult to believe that when Hayne and his management negotiated his contract price that they were promising what Hayne has delivered so far at the Titans.

                I wasn’t there, but I would be willing to bet that Hayne and his manager were selling Hayne on the basis of his 2014 form and the dedication, drive and commitment that he demonstrated in managing to succeed (relatively speaking) in the NFL.

                He hasn’t shown any of that since he joined the Titans, and the Titans are entitled to feel ripped off.

      • August 15th 2017 @ 1:11pm
        agent11 said | August 15th 2017 @ 1:11pm | ! Report

        No disrespect to Slater but he was in a team with Smith, Cronk AND Inglis that year which was over the cap. Hayne had Daniel Mortimer and Jeff Robson… His 09 run was the best streak of form I have ever seen from a single player.

    • Roar Guru

      August 15th 2017 @ 8:18am
      The Barry said | August 15th 2017 @ 8:18am | ! Report

      I don’t think Henry has covered himself in glory with how he’s handled this.

      Funny it all comes to a head after a 54-0 loss. Henry would have more credibility if it didn’t at least have the appearance that he was dropping responsibility at Haynes feet.

      Not talking to a player all week while this plays out in the media? Pretty childish.

      I have some sympathy if it’s true Hayne was forced on him, but he still has some responsibility to make it work.

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        August 15th 2017 @ 8:57am
        Emcie said | August 15th 2017 @ 8:57am | ! Report

        We also have a player tweeting about “loose lips” before the season but throwing his coach under the bus once he starts copping some heat in the public domain. This story wasn’t much more then inuendo from outside sources before Hayne made those statements and now it has completely errupted. Not saying that Henry has handled things amazingly well, but Hayne throwing fuel on the fire denied Henry the opportunity to wait till things settled down before addressing any issues

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          August 15th 2017 @ 9:43am
          The Barry said | August 15th 2017 @ 9:43am | ! Report

          I’m certainly not saying Hayne is blameless in this but I don’t think it would have been too hard for Henry to manage this and the public perception and come out smelling like roses.

          Backed into a corner by the board, held to ransom by under performing star. There would be outcry if the Titans sacked him.

          But through his actions he hasn’t come out of it looking any better than Hayne.

          • Roar Guru

            August 15th 2017 @ 10:43am
            Emcie said | August 15th 2017 @ 10:43am | ! Report

            I get what you’re saying, but I’m not sure that they even thought there was actually much of an issue internally until Hayne gave that interview though. The Titans CEO said as much in an article yesterday, and said that the meeting yesterday was entirely a result of the fallout from that interview.

            A lot of teams have found themselves on the wrong side of the media spotlight this season and for the most part the scrutiney blows over after a couple weeks and the season continues. The only reason the spotlight was on the Titans was because they got thumped by the Broncos after a couple losses and Haynes form was being called into question after origin. I mean we’re talking about a team that thumped the premiers a couple weeks before, I’m not sure Henry thought there was much to actually publicly address. The Hayne story was just the flavour of the moment and wasn’t really going anywhere it hadn’t been before until Hayne decided to throw fuel into the mix

            • Roar Guru

              August 15th 2017 @ 12:24pm
              The Barry said | August 15th 2017 @ 12:24pm | ! Report

              I agree completely that the media storm blows over quickly…if the protagonists don’t keep fanning the flames.

              Hayne has done more than his share of this but so has Henry. Henry was pretty churlish with his answers, tone of voice and body language at the press conference where he was asked if he wanted to sign Hayne originally. It didn’t leave anyone in any doubt and journos knew they had something to keep running with.

              Then ignoring Hayne all week at training. It’s pretty immature and it gives Hayne a reason to go running to the press again.

              If Henry had been a bit more circumspect in his approach this would have blown over eventually with Hayne looking a tool and Henry coming out clean. Instead I think he’s lowered himself to Hayne’s level.

              • Roar Guru

                August 15th 2017 @ 2:59pm
                Emcie said | August 15th 2017 @ 2:59pm | ! Report

                Henry has made a point all season refusing to be drawn into talk of “Hayne stuff” and has said that it only becomes a distraction if you let it. He even walked out of one press conference because no one would ask about anything unrelated to Hayne. If you take his behaviour in the press conference you’re refering to in isolation I’m sure you can make a case that he helped fan the flames, but if you take his behaviour in the context of his behaviour thoughout the season when dealing with the media he’s been pretty consistant in the manner of his responses regarding speculation around Hayne. Jounalists will always read into a situation whatever suits their next story.

                Even in Haynes infamous postmatch interview he stated that he didn’t think there was a problem between him and the coach until this week and found it annoying to find out about it in the paper, in other words nothing Henry had done made Hayne feel unwanted until he believed an article he saw in the paper.

                As far as Henry ignoring Hayne all week, it that really what happened? Haynes exact words were “he hasn’t spoken to me this week, it a bit (wierd).”. What does that actually mean? That Henry hadn’t taken time to speak to Hayne one on one or about that specific issue? That Henry hadn’t spoken a word to him at all? There’s a big difference between not having talked to someone and actively ignoring them. It was too flippant remark to draw too much from in my opinion.

      • Roar Guru

        August 15th 2017 @ 9:06am
        Nat said | August 15th 2017 @ 9:06am | ! Report

        I wouldn’t be surprised if it was the coach to go. There’s a fair bit of discontent in a few clubs and I reckon up to 4 coaches could be looking for new roles. Hayne is not going to change, it just the GC had to learn this lesson first. The board will not let him play Intrust Cup so may be Kearney (or Des) can get the best out of him.

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        August 15th 2017 @ 9:14am
        Mary Konstantopoulos said | August 15th 2017 @ 9:14am | ! Report

        Absolutely the Barry – I certainly can’t blame Hayne completely in this situation. Both parties have to be at fault here.

        I think I immediately think of Hayne’s history and whether I like it or not, I’ve judged him as being a pain in the butt on and off the field that is more trouble than what he is worth.

        • August 15th 2017 @ 11:36am
          Gray-Hand said | August 15th 2017 @ 11:36am | ! Report

          Hayne is a great player, but not one that you can build a team around. He’s versatile and he can win games on his own, but probably doesn’t make the entire team better either with his work on the field or at training. On that basis, he is probably worth maybe $700k a year.
          For a million bucks a year, a player had to add value to the players around them. They can do that by playing a key part in planning strategy off the field, controlling a game on the field or setting a very high standard at training and mentoring young players – ie practically being an assistant coach.
          Very few players can do that, and Hayne definitely isn’t one of them.

        • August 15th 2017 @ 2:07pm
          RV said | August 15th 2017 @ 2:07pm | ! Report

          You’re right about his bad attitude and we know about the ego issues.

          However I think everyone is going overboard by trying to pin all of Parramatta’s past coaching issues on him.

          I’m an Eels fan and followed most games closely. Between 2009 and 2014 he was consistently the best player in a terrible side, with bad off field management, poor recruitment (refer 2011 recruitment of has beens), dysfunctional board room and so forth.

          Yes, there were many times we felt he was not playing to his potential but usually neither was the rest of the side. Certainly Hindmarsh is free in his criticism now but he too was underperforming and he was also the Captain!

          The coaches that left included Kearney, who has failed at every club he’s coached and Ricky, who chose to return to Canberra for a range of reasons and is also not highly regarded as a coach.

          Lets not try to rewrite history.

          I think the real issue here is that he has poor advice around him, evidenced by his flighty decisions and inability to play the long game. Who is his manager?

          He should have preserved further in NFL through the practice squad system, or taken more time to transition back to NRL.

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