Will Genia signs on with Australian rugby until 2019

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    Will Genia has confirmed his playing future, signing a two-year deal with Australian rugby that will see him play his Super Rugby with the Melbourne Rebels.

    The deal ensures the 29-year-old remains with the Wallabies until the end of the 2019 Rugby World Cup.

    While Genia’s return to Australia, after playing with Stade Francais since the last World Cup, is no great surprise, but it was initially thought the Wallabies vice-captain would link up with his former club, the Queensland Reds, on his return to Super Rugby.

    However, with reports emerging in the past few weeks that the experienced scrum-half would be headed to Melbourne instead, Genia today confirmed the news, saying he was looking forward to playing with the Rebels.

    “I’m really looking forward to joining the guys down in Melbourne, they have a great young team with plenty still to achieve in Super Rugby, so I’m excited to get stuck in in 2018,” Genia said.

    “First and foremost I’m there to contribute to the desired success of the club on the field through my performance and ability as a player. After that, it’ll be a great chance to bring some of the things I’ve learned over the years to the club, and help drive the club forward.

    “I was always clear that I wanted to return to Australian rugby. I love playing for my country and can’t wait to have another opportunity to pull on the gold jersey this weekend.”

    Since making his Super Rugby debut in 2007 for the Reds, Genia has gained a wealth of experience. The scrum-half made 114 appearances for the Queensland side, including a starring performance in their 2011 Super Rugby final victory over the Crusaders, and has earned 78 caps for the Wallabies.

    Rebels CEO Baden Stephenson hailed the signing, saying Genia will add plenty to a Melbourne side which struggled badly in 2017.

    “Will is a proven winner who has performed consistently in every team has has played in at Super Rugby, European and international level,” Stephenson said.

    “We are delighted he will join the Rebels and have great confidence that his skill set, experience and leadership will complement our squad very well.”

    Before he links up with his new teammates, Genia will first hope to play a major role in Australia’s busy Test schedule, with the Wallabies’ first Rugby Championship and Bledisloe Cup Test of the year to take place this Saturday, against the All Blacks in Sydney.

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    • August 15th 2017 @ 12:23pm
      Chazzbazz said | August 15th 2017 @ 12:23pm | ! Report

      rebels are looking a quality side for next year

      • Roar Guru

        August 15th 2017 @ 12:35pm
        Train Without A Station said | August 15th 2017 @ 12:35pm | ! Report

        Regardless of what happens to the Force players, good to see the Rebels addressing some of the flaws in their squad.

        Smith replaced with Tetera Faulkner, the issues at 9 and the second row being addressed with the signings of Genia and Parling.

        McMahon was a huge loss, but in their position of greatest depth.

        Depending on the plan for Horwitz it would be great if they picked up an experienced player that is capable in any of 10/12/15.

        Somebody like Jono Lance (but not Jono Lance of course) would be great. Ben Lucas is who came to mind for me. I’m not sure how long he is signed to Toyota Verblitz for though.

        • August 15th 2017 @ 12:59pm
          jameswm said | August 15th 2017 @ 12:59pm | ! Report

          How many locks do they have? They could surely use Coleman or Philip.

          They could also use some centres.

          Why not Jono Lance?

          • Roar Guru

            August 15th 2017 @ 1:02pm
            Train Without A Station said | August 15th 2017 @ 1:02pm | ! Report

            Because relying on being gifted players over the matter would be foolish.

            If the Force are wound up any players should be a bonus, not your plan A.

            • Roar Rookie

              August 15th 2017 @ 7:58pm
              Kirky said | August 15th 2017 @ 7:58pm | ! Report

              TWAS!!!!!! Sensible post even!!! well done!

            • August 15th 2017 @ 9:18pm
              Jameswm said | August 15th 2017 @ 9:18pm | ! Report

              I AM talking about IF the Force are wound up.


        • August 15th 2017 @ 1:00pm
          Fionn said | August 15th 2017 @ 1:00pm | ! Report

          I actually think that they need to move English to 12 and put Hodge at 13. Their fly-half options are all still absolutely terrible, their second row is still weak.

          Back-row, wings and centres only real areas of strength that I see.

          Genia isn’t the same player without Quade (just like Quade isn’t the same without Genia) and I doubt he will be particularly impressive in the Rebels next year, might do some damage to his reputation. Anyway, we will see.

          • Roar Guru

            August 15th 2017 @ 1:03pm
            Train Without A Station said | August 15th 2017 @ 1:03pm | ! Report

            Part of the reason their 2nd row was weak this year was because 2 of their players (Sam Jeffries and Alex Toolis) missed the entire season though.

            12-15, 1-3 and 6-8 are fine. It’s the rest of the positions…

            • August 15th 2017 @ 3:38pm
              MitchO said | August 15th 2017 @ 3:38pm | ! Report

              Ben Matijowi has been on the injured list for the Force all year. Surely he’ll be available next year and even if the Force survived they don’t really need him except as injury cover.

              What about Debreczeni as your 10 12 15?

              Ian Prior may be available for poaching as well. He is a handy 9/10 player to have in a squad.

              • Roar Guru

                August 15th 2017 @ 3:45pm
                Train Without A Station said | August 15th 2017 @ 3:45pm | ! Report

                Debreczeni has gone to Japan.

              • Roar Guru

                August 15th 2017 @ 3:46pm
                John R said | August 15th 2017 @ 3:46pm | ! Report

                Debreczini is off to Japan next year unfortunately. He was looking pretty sharp at fullback too.

                That guy needs to drink a couple of cups of whatever Barrett is having, and learn how to run the ball at the line.

                At 6’4 and 100 kegs, you’d think he’d be the yard stick for a rugged 10. Sadly not the case!

              • August 15th 2017 @ 3:49pm
                MitchO said | August 15th 2017 @ 3:49pm | ! Report

                Pity he’s going. Did anyone try Debs as a 12?

              • August 15th 2017 @ 3:58pm
                Fionn said | August 15th 2017 @ 3:58pm | ! Report

                His running game wasn’t good enough for 10, let alone 12.

              • Roar Guru

                August 15th 2017 @ 3:53pm
                John R said | August 15th 2017 @ 3:53pm | ! Report

                mmmm, not my knowledge. Will be interesting to see where they play him when he lands in Japan.

                I think he’s only going for one season, so hopefully he’s back in Super Rugby come 2019.

              • August 15th 2017 @ 3:59pm
                cuw said | August 15th 2017 @ 3:59pm | ! Report

                he can only play at 15 and even then he is ok.

                only reason he was put at 10 was becoz Jason woodward was so much better at 15. when he left JD went to 15 becoz he was not good at 10.

                he has a long punt but then that is all.

                for a big guy he seems afraid to go over someone – at least Foalu does that , despite all his other faults.

          • Roar Guru

            August 15th 2017 @ 5:20pm
            Timbo (L) said | August 15th 2017 @ 5:20pm | ! Report

            English went too didn’t he?

        • August 15th 2017 @ 1:40pm
          ethan said | August 15th 2017 @ 1:40pm | ! Report

          Why not Lance? Seems the logical place for him to go given the Reds have Cooper, Tahs Foley, Brumbies CLL and Rebels a second rate Kiwi.

          If they can pick up a couple of Force locks as well then they certainly will be an improved outfit.

          • August 15th 2017 @ 2:42pm
            Markus said | August 15th 2017 @ 2:42pm | ! Report

            If the Force players were all suddenly available, you could almost argue parachuting the entire Force XV into the Rebels starting line-up bar their back row and wingers.

            • August 15th 2017 @ 4:07pm
              MitchO said | August 15th 2017 @ 4:07pm | ! Report

              Funnily (if that’s the word) when the Western Reds (Perth rugby league team folded) some of their best stable players we picked by the Melbourne Storm. Also when they set up the Melbourne Storm they learned the lessons from the failure of the Western Reds.

            • August 15th 2017 @ 6:32pm
              ethan said | August 15th 2017 @ 6:32pm | ! Report

              Cowan. Uelese. Faulkner (assuming TPN heads OS).
              Coleman. Parling.
              Hardwick. Mafi. Timani.
              Genia. Lance.
              Meakes. Hodge
              Koroibete. DHP. Naivalu.

              7 Force players, but a very strong team considering it leaves out the likes of Hansen, Phillips, Matwijow, Jeffries, Nasiairani, McCalman, Cottrell, Colby, Reid, Stirzaker, Louwrens, Ruru, English, Rona and Peni. If all the leftovers were to make the bench or sign with other SR franchises it would surely improve results of those teams. My fear is many of those players will head OS.

              • August 15th 2017 @ 7:07pm
                MitchO said | August 15th 2017 @ 7:07pm | ! Report

                Would hate to see Nasarini head over to the Sunwolves. Really it would be better if Mafi and Tui went to the Sunwolves and freed up two spots for future Wallabies.

                Cottrell does need try make some money coz he is not on a contract and he is getting too close to thirty. Colby has to be in a similar situation. A very good player in the form of his life. Doesn’t he have to leave like Alcock did. Not just money but having some fun as well. I reckon you can have a really good time playing in France or even England. Much easier to do when you are 28 than when you are 30.

                Where is Kane Koteka? He’s another decent player. Just probably not as good as Hardwick.

              • Roar Rookie

                August 15th 2017 @ 8:03pm
                Kirky said | August 15th 2017 @ 8:03pm | ! Report

                Ethan! Dream on buttercup, they’re free!

              • August 15th 2017 @ 10:55pm
                ethan said | August 15th 2017 @ 10:55pm | ! Report

                Yes Nasairani really has to be a priority, a promising talent. Would hate to see him leave. Koteka is also good, not sure he’s better than the other three 7s I mentioned but age is certainly on his side.

                Would not be at all surprised to see the likes of Cottrell and Colby head to Japan or elsewhere. Cottrell may wish to stay another year given Cheika mentioned him as being on the WBs radar before injury struck, but don’t think he could get a start in that Rebels backrow, so it would have to be another club.

                I have no idea what you’re talking about?

              • August 16th 2017 @ 10:43am
                MitchO said | August 16th 2017 @ 10:43am | ! Report

                The Force guys decided to Hardwick over Koteka and that what would have been a properly considered decision but Koteka did show enough when given the opportunity.

                For all the doom and gloom, Hardwick, Gill, Pocock, McMahon, Hooper, Alcock, Colby, GSmith, Hodgo, probably KKoteka and Pete Samu (Crusaders via Sydney) are all up to standard as good super rugby players. We could afford to trade three of them for a 10 with a boot.

          • Roar Guru

            August 15th 2017 @ 2:44pm
            Train Without A Station said | August 15th 2017 @ 2:44pm | ! Report

            Lance and Coleman would be great.

            Wessells even more so.

            But who knows what is going to happen.

            Banking on them would be foolish.

            • Roar Guru

              August 15th 2017 @ 3:48pm
              John R said | August 15th 2017 @ 3:48pm | ! Report

              The Haylett Petty boys as well.

              RHP can cover second row as well right?

              Maybe convert Naivalu to a 13, and get some more game time under Maddocks / Hutchisons belts on the wing.

              9. Genia
              10. Lance
              11. Koroibete
              12. Hodge
              13. Naivalu
              14. Maddocks / Hutchison
              15. DHP

        • August 15th 2017 @ 4:11pm
          Ex force fan said | August 15th 2017 @ 4:11pm | ! Report

          Rebels still parachuting players from elsewhere instead of developing their own….I have seen this recipe before and no it will not end well.

          Will not surprise me if the Force with coaches and players all ended up with the Rebels next year. However I will still not support anything to do with Australian rugby, it is not my team an means nothing for WA rugby.

          I was a foundation member at the Force but am warming up to the idea to watch the Eagles play in the new stadium as a member next year.

          • August 16th 2017 @ 12:50am
            Sam said | August 16th 2017 @ 12:50am | ! Report

            The argument that the Rebels don’t develop Victorian rugby players has been rolled around a lot in recent days. It’s simply not accurate. Fereti Sa’aga, Jordan Uelese, Rob Leota, and Sione Tuipulotu all received SR game time with the Rebels. Ikapote Tupai, Ah-Mu Tuimalealiifano and Trevor Hosea were also Victorian developed players signed by the Rebels in albeit development slots while another Victorian, Rob Valetini signed on from the Rising to the Brumbies. That’s
            8 players in 7 seasons that still doesn’t include Sefanaia Naivalu! I read somewhere that Force have 14 or so WA developed players in 12 seasons. Are the Rebels really as far behind developing Victorians as people are suggesting?

            • Roar Guru

              August 16th 2017 @ 2:29pm
              Train Without A Station said | August 16th 2017 @ 2:29pm | ! Report

              Or Murray Douglas (recruited from Dewar Shield).

              Looking at the Rebels 20s over 2016 and 2017 we may see a couple more filter through over the next couple of years.

              Not sure what’s happened to Billy Gray. Played Aus 20s in 2016 and played Dewar Shield this year but wasn’t invited to trial for Rising.

              For reference after 6 seasons the Force had DHP and Justin Turner.

            • August 16th 2017 @ 6:22pm
              Ex force fan said | August 16th 2017 @ 6:22pm | ! Report

              It is Danny Cipriani all over again. Too much money going to players that will mean nothing in the long term to the franchise. Would have been better off to keep Nick Stirzaker for less than half the price.

              • August 16th 2017 @ 9:02pm
                Train Without A Station said | August 16th 2017 @ 9:02pm | ! Report

                Probably closer to Matt Giteau at the Force all over again…

              • Roar Guru

                August 17th 2017 @ 8:46am
                John R said | August 17th 2017 @ 8:46am | ! Report

                They did keep Stirzaker.

    • August 15th 2017 @ 12:43pm
      Perthstayer said | August 15th 2017 @ 12:43pm | ! Report

      Oh what irony, I remember when he signed for the The Force

    • August 15th 2017 @ 12:58pm
      Lee said | August 15th 2017 @ 12:58pm | ! Report

      In relation to the force, the right decision by the ARU and Pulver was made and I applaud their bravery in the face of some grossly unfair criticism. The western Australian rugby community needs to accept this decision and more on. Dragging this matter through the courts will only damage rugby throughout the whole of Australia and do damage to the ARU’s finances.

      • Roar Rookie

        August 15th 2017 @ 1:44pm
        piru said | August 15th 2017 @ 1:44pm | ! Report


      • August 15th 2017 @ 1:45pm
        lobby said | August 15th 2017 @ 1:45pm | ! Report

        I’ll accept the decision as soon as they produce a VALID reason, not the lies that have been coming out of their mouth.

      • August 15th 2017 @ 2:04pm
        andrewM said | August 15th 2017 @ 2:04pm | ! Report

        You applaud their Bravery for making a completely unsubstantiated decision?
        Where’s the ‘Exhaustive Analysis’, Where’s the Spreadsheet?

        They say that the money saved from axing the Force is going to supports Grass Roots Rugby, but then, not a week later they announce that nearly 20% of that savings is going to be used to bring Genia back to play in Australia..

        Another Brilliant PR blunder by the ARU

        • Roar Guru

          August 15th 2017 @ 2:24pm
          Train Without A Station said | August 15th 2017 @ 2:24pm | ! Report

          You do realize they are going to contract players no matter what, right?

          The savings are $6M a year. Where was it announce that the ARU are paying Genia a $1.2M top up per year (20% of savings)?

      • August 15th 2017 @ 2:37pm
        Chooks said | August 15th 2017 @ 2:37pm | ! Report

        Applaud their bravery? You must be kidding. It’s all well and good to tell people to “move on” when it’s not YOUR team that’s been unceremoniously dumped.
        They have every right to appeal the decision.
        Don’t worry about the Rugby being damaged throughout Australia – The ARU has already seen to that.

        • August 16th 2017 @ 1:04am
          Sam said | August 16th 2017 @ 1:04am | ! Report

          Chooks I’m a Victorian and a foundation Rebels member and I agree with you. It’s easy for fans of the other teams to be philosophical.The last three months have been awful. I dreaded what might come and suspected the Rebels were gone in a very simple and fair “last on, first off” and the fact that a 730 kick off in Perth made for an attractive timeslot for Foxsports meaning they could run a WA game, an East coast game and a NZ game for 6 hours of continuous live rugby. I would have been seriously aghast with Rebels been culled but it would have been the fairest and politically the easiest cull. Process wasn’t transparent. For what it is worth I hope your blokes win the legal fight.

          • August 16th 2017 @ 2:27am
            Chooks said | August 16th 2017 @ 2:27am | ! Report

            Thanks Sam. I’m also against any team being dropped. I would atleast like the ARU to explore the possibility of having a two tier system here, in which relegation matches are played.
            Surely there are different avenues that could have been taken by the ARU board.
            This was the least labour intensive choice (to the detriment of Rugby).

      • August 15th 2017 @ 4:11pm
        Ex force fan said | August 15th 2017 @ 4:11pm | ! Report

        With all respect I hope you have a sexual fulfilling experience.

        • August 15th 2017 @ 4:20pm
          Ex force fan said | August 15th 2017 @ 4:20pm | ! Report

          Apologies, should not have said that but you get my drift. This was an incredibly dumb decision, made by he wrong people for the wrong reasons. It needs to be challenges as it will kill rugby in the state with the third most registered players in the country.

          You need to take a broader view of what is wrong with Australian rugby and it starts with an ARU that is not fulfilling its mission and have no vision for the future.

          • August 15th 2017 @ 5:50pm
            Lee said | August 15th 2017 @ 5:50pm | ! Report

            You claim ithe decision was made by the wrong people. It was made by the hugely respected ARU CEO and ARU Board. The harsh reality is that there is not enough money to sustain the force and they cost the most in terms of travel and come from a state with 10% of this country’s population rather than Victoria.

            In addition their crowds were woeful and they never once qualified for finals in over a decade. The right decision was made and you should support the ARU and its desire for funding for grassroots rugby rather than supporting action which will drain its scarce funds through costly legal proceedings.

            • Roar Guru

              August 15th 2017 @ 7:27pm
              Cadfael said | August 15th 2017 @ 7:27pm | ! Report

              Maybe if the ARU showed some transparency in their dealing with this. Where was the exhaustive analysis, what were the financial considerations that made the Rebels a better proposition? As well it is was poor to pull the old political stunt of announcing this virtually on COB in the eastern states.

            • August 15th 2017 @ 7:42pm
              OJP said | August 15th 2017 @ 7:42pm | ! Report

              ‘It was made by the hugely respected ARU CEO and ARU Board’

              Hugely respected by who ?

              Or is this satire ?

            • Roar Rookie

              August 15th 2017 @ 8:38pm
              Kirky said | August 15th 2017 @ 8:38pm | ! Report

              Lee!! Get a new Dealer mate the rubbish you’re smoking’s no good for you judging by the rubbish you’re putting up!

              Let me say that there’s not enough money to sustain any team in the Country and it could very easily said that the Force would be the most flush out of all of them.

              The Rebels are bust, the Waratahs, Reds and the Brumbies have no money and are in a borrow, borrow situation, ~ each of these teams have a dud roster with third rate Coaching and are hanging around like vultures for the extremely good players that make up the Force!

              There’s a lot to be said in this farce yet and the transparency the defunct ARU dudes mentioned over here the other day along with the viability, spreadsheets etc will be made to be seen then, you Bleak City boy we’ll see a bit of transparency along with a few resignations over this disgusting affair.

              It may be best you keep your misguided opinions to yourself mate!

          • Roar Rookie

            August 15th 2017 @ 8:26pm
            Kirky said | August 15th 2017 @ 8:26pm | ! Report

            Ex Force Fan!! Shouldn’t apologise mate your first post is spot on, nothing wrong with it!

            It’s time these Vultures who can’t grow their own players got a sense of decency and just imagine how the Force Boys and Girls are feeling, they had the best team in the Competition one minute and by the stroke of a pen by a hapless Administration dude, they’re judged as being gone!!

            Make no mistake they’ll fight tooth and nail for the right result, ~ it ain’t over yet mate!

            • August 15th 2017 @ 11:00pm
              ethan said | August 15th 2017 @ 11:00pm | ! Report

              Best team in the competition? They didn’t even make the finals!

              Not backing the ARU here, but that is some hyperbole if ever I’ve seen it…

              • Roar Guru

                August 16th 2017 @ 2:31pm
                Train Without A Station said | August 16th 2017 @ 2:31pm | ! Report

                Yeah ludicrous statement.

                At no point have they had the best team in the competition ever.

      • Roar Rookie

        August 15th 2017 @ 8:12pm
        Kirky said | August 15th 2017 @ 8:12pm | ! Report

        Lee! you’re a Melburnian thereby you have a useless team and always have had. I’d be very surprised if any Force player would waste their time playing in Bleak City for a team of no hopers. ~ Forget about Wessels also , A good story about him is going around and he sure ain’t going to the hopeless case in Melbourne!

        As for your statement about the ARU making the correct decision, it proves one thing, you wouldn’t know if you were up yourself!

        • August 15th 2017 @ 9:13pm
          Nicolai said | August 15th 2017 @ 9:13pm | ! Report

          We’ll Kirky for a few seasons the Rebels finished above the Force – so what does that make the Force – super s….. and useless?!?!?

        • August 15th 2017 @ 11:23pm
          Bakkies said | August 15th 2017 @ 11:23pm | ! Report

          ‘A good story about him is going around and he sure ain’t going to the hopeless case in Melbourne!’

          The rumour about him going to Munster?

      • August 15th 2017 @ 4:16pm
        Ex force fan said | August 15th 2017 @ 4:16pm | ! Report

        No WA developed out own #9s, do not need an expensive Genia. Louwrens and Ruru combined price is properly less and they are both better IMO.

        • Roar Guru

          August 16th 2017 @ 2:31pm
          Train Without A Station said | August 16th 2017 @ 2:31pm | ! Report

          Just not your own 10s right?

          • August 16th 2017 @ 6:18pm
            Ex force fan said | August 16th 2017 @ 6:18pm | ! Report

            I think Zack Homes, Luke Burton, Kyle Goodwin and Nick Jooste are all local products and play 10.

            • August 16th 2017 @ 9:04pm
              Train Without A Station said | August 16th 2017 @ 9:04pm | ! Report

              But none of them have played 10 for the Force this year.

              Only Peter Grant (SA import) and Jono Lance (QLD import).

              It seems they let Jooste, Holmes and co go and preferred these two imports.

    • August 15th 2017 @ 1:35pm
      Jimbo81 said | August 15th 2017 @ 1:35pm | ! Report

      Reds have Tuttle. They are yet to sack Frisby. That’s probably enough halfbacks – and they’re better off gunning for Lucas if possible when he returns from Japan. Genia might get a start at the Rebels. He’s only in Wallaby contention because Cheika is doing the selections. If Cheika had to pick on form, the two best in Australia are Gordon and Powell.

      • August 15th 2017 @ 2:49pm
        Markus said | August 15th 2017 @ 2:49pm | ! Report

        Tuttle is yet to impress, Frisby has really dropped off. Would Lucas not return as a flyhalf, and be stuck behind Cooper again?

        Perhaps make a play for Louwrens.

        • August 15th 2017 @ 3:10pm
          Bobbybones said | August 15th 2017 @ 3:10pm | ! Report

          I thought Tuttle showed promise early on in his regular stint in the starting 9, consistency could be better but he is only 20.

          They have Moses Sorovi on the books as well who is young as well, he has a bright future and was very very good for UQ on the weekend against sunnybank.

          With 3 young halves on the books there was simply just no room for Genia. Would love to be a fly on the wall when Stirzacker was told of Genia signing.

          • August 15th 2017 @ 3:34pm
            jameswm said | August 15th 2017 @ 3:34pm | ! Report

            Tuttle is a yard slower than a statue in open field.

            Louwrens is miles better than those options. And Ruru can go to Canberra to back up Powell.

            • Roar Guru

              August 15th 2017 @ 3:42pm
              John R said | August 15th 2017 @ 3:42pm | ! Report

              Pretty sure that Matt Lucas is heading down to the Brumbies for 2018?

              Ruru would be a fantastic addition to any squad. But I fear that he’ll head overseas, and that’s the difference between us and NZ, they keep all their fringe players and our guys head overseas.

              • Roar Guru

                August 15th 2017 @ 3:46pm
                Train Without A Station said | August 15th 2017 @ 3:46pm | ! Report

                Not really.

                Ruru played ITM Cup for Hawkes Bay.

                NZ didn’t manage to keep him.

              • August 15th 2017 @ 6:16pm
                Jumbo said | August 15th 2017 @ 6:16pm | ! Report

                Yeah because he wanted to take the next step and wasn’t going to make a kiwi super team.

              • August 15th 2017 @ 3:54pm
                cuw said | August 15th 2017 @ 3:54pm | ! Report

                fringe players stay becoz the main players go abroad. kind of natural transition process. when guys like Cruden TKB et al go their places are taken by under 20 boys….

                the problem with oz i think , is that oldies keep coming back and then taking up starting positions – like Smith , Genia , Higginbotham , Cooper ….. et al.

                u dont see Mccaws Carters Nonus coming back to play for clubs or super teams. On rare occasions when teams suffer a spate of injuries some oldies have come back – like Hore 🙂

                if oldies play , they shud be benchies and not starters. otherwise u will always have an issue with quality.

              • August 15th 2017 @ 11:04pm
                ethan said | August 15th 2017 @ 11:04pm | ! Report

                It’s a shame the Force had two of the better scrum halves going round in Louwrens and Ruru, but now they might not even start at a new franchise.

                Reds already have three scrumhalves signed so aren’t taking anymore, Rebels just got Genia, Gordon and Phipps are pretty firmly entrenched at the Tahs and Powell is pretty firmly entrenched at the Brumbies.

                Louwrens for mine was the form scrum half in Australia before injury struck, I really hope he can pick up a gig somewhere and not be one of those who is lost.

              • August 15th 2017 @ 11:09pm
                ethan said | August 15th 2017 @ 11:09pm | ! Report

                CUW – Nanai-Williams came back, Messam came back, Digby came back (to SR at least), Donald came back.

                How can you say Cooper coming back is a problem when the Reds were playing McIntyre beforehand? Smith and Higgers were two of the Reds better performers as well – far better than Schatz and Browning who we had the year before, and also considering we lost Gill. Even Moore turned out to be a useful signing as Ready went AWOL. The Reds were pretty light on in the experience department as well, so a couple of experienced heads looked a smart move.

                The problem isn’t that these guys came back. The problem is they all went away too early in the first place. Wallabies are not the kind of players you want to be losing overseas.

              • August 16th 2017 @ 2:27pm
                cuw said | August 16th 2017 @ 2:27pm | ! Report

                err from where did TNW come back? 7S ? Like Messam? as far as i know neither left NZ .

                if that is the case then there are tens of players who play for Samoa, Tonga, Fiji – but based and playing in NZ.

                Digby has played for crusaders in a handful of matches. Donald rarely starts – he is used from bench most of the time and starts when the match is less important.

                Kaino is the only guy who came back and considered a class player. so many others have come back like a Blues fly half whose name i forget. never made a mark or threatened those who stayed.

                also there are many foreigners who have come to nz and learnt – like Piers Francis , Nathan Earle , Mike Leitch and the Jap scrum half – then gone back.

          • August 16th 2017 @ 1:08am
            Sam said | August 16th 2017 @ 1:08am | ! Report

            Reminds me of when the Rebels signed Burgess and Phipps fled to the outstretched arms of Michael Cheika.

            • Roar Guru

              August 16th 2017 @ 2:32pm
              Train Without A Station said | August 16th 2017 @ 2:32pm | ! Report

              That wasn’t what happened Sam.

              Phipps held out for more money and signed with the Waratahs so the Rebels signed Burgess for less.

              Phipps may have signed 2nd but they wanted Phipps to stay and ended up getting Burgess on the cheap merely as a 2nd choice.

              • August 17th 2017 @ 4:11pm
                Sam said | August 17th 2017 @ 4:11pm | ! Report

                I actually spoke with Nick Phipps on the fence line after his last game of the season he left. He seemed somewhat philosophical with the move at the time. My gripe is that the Rebels signed the aging Burgess seemingly so Deans could have him available for the Lions tour that year, at the behest of the ARU. If I was Phipps I’d probably have done the same. On face value the circumstances seem familiar but Strizaker has already re-committed.

    • August 15th 2017 @ 1:38pm
      kipper said | August 15th 2017 @ 1:38pm | ! Report

      reputed that Genia wants $800k and reds had to fund half of it – said they couldn’t afford it.
      Surprised the ARU could find $400k though – thought they were broke and that all savings related to getting rid of the force would be directed to grass roots?

      Completely disillusioned Force and Ex-Wallabies fan

      • Roar Guru

        August 15th 2017 @ 2:45pm
        Train Without A Station said | August 15th 2017 @ 2:45pm | ! Report

        Well $140k they already pay him in match payments to begin with.

        And if he is being signed for 2018 there’s a good chance that somebody won’t have a top up.

        Then of course there’s the fact they are required to spend a certain percentage on player salaries. Given the Wallabies provide the bulk of the revenue surely you’d prioritize them.

        • August 15th 2017 @ 4:17pm
          Ex force fan said | August 15th 2017 @ 4:17pm | ! Report

          Overpriced and overpaid, continue to make the same mistake to pay the prima donnas instead of developing more of our own.

          • Roar Guru

            August 15th 2017 @ 4:29pm
            Train Without A Station said | August 15th 2017 @ 4:29pm | ! Report

            Will Genia was developed by Australian rugby…

            • August 15th 2017 @ 8:46pm
              Ex force fan said | August 15th 2017 @ 8:46pm | ! Report

              Did say Genia is not local, I said for the same money we can get 2 players that we can still develop and will get better than Genia, e.g. Louwrens and Ruru. Same mistake that got us into this mess.

          • August 15th 2017 @ 4:53pm
            ethan said | August 15th 2017 @ 4:53pm | ! Report

            Genia is better than anyone the Rebs have currently. In fact, he’s the best we have in Australia at the moment. If you can afford him, you get him. I’m all for developing young talent, but you can’t fill a whole team with them. Need experience and proven quality in there somewhere.

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