Roar Forum: What changes should the Wallabies make for Bledisloe 2?

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    Bledisloe 1 has be run and won, and the results for Australia weren’t pretty.

    New Zealand but down eight tries before the Wallabies could score a single one of their own, and that led to a 54-6 scoreline early in the second half.

    All the wash-up from Wallabies vs All Blacks Bledisloe 1:
    » QUIGLEY: Bledisloe a damning indictment
    » LORD: Rugby is an 80-minute game
    » Match report: All Blacks wallop Wallabies
    » Vote in our DIY Wallabies player ratings
    » WATCH: Highlights from Bledisloe 1
    » WATCH: Michael Cheika’s post game comments
    » Re-live the match with our live blog

    Luckily for the Wallabies, their opponents shut up shop in the last 30 minutes, and tries from Curtis Rona, Tevita Kuridrani, Kurtley Beale and Israel Folau evened things up a little.

    Hard to say whether or not the Wallabies really saved any face with a good finish, but what can be said for sure is that improvement is needed to genuinely challenge New Zealand

    What changes should the Wallabies make to the team before they come up against the All Blacks again in a week’s time?

    For the answer to that all-important question, Roarers, we’re turning things over to you.

    Which of this week’s players have earned another go next time around, and which of them are headed back to the chalkboard?

    Who deserves to come right in, and who should be made to earn their place?

    In short – who comes in, who goes out?

    There will, we bet, be a variety of opinions on the matter, and in this week’s Roar Forum you are invited to let us know in the comments what yours is.

    For your reference, here’s the full team from the Test on Saturday night:

    Wallabies team versus All Blacks Bledisloe 1
    1. Scott Sio (32 Tests)
    2. Stephen Moore (120 Tests)
    3. Allan Alaalatoa (11 Tests)
    4. Rory Arnold (12 Tests)
    5. Adam Coleman (12 Tests)
    6. Ned Hanigan (3 Tests)
    7. Michael Hooper (c) (68 Tests)
    8. Sean McMahon (15 Tests)
    9. Will Genia (78 Tests)
    10. Bernard Foley (45 Tests)
    11. Curtis Rona (Debut)
    12. Kurtley Beale (60 Tests)
    13. Samu Kerevi (8 Tests)
    14. Henry Speight (12 Tests)
    15. Israel Folau (55 Tests)

    Reserves
    16. Tatafu Polota-Nau (71 Tests)
    17. Tom Robertson (9 Tests)
    18. Sekope Kepu (80 Tests)
    19. Rob Simmons (71 Tests)
    20. Lopeti Timani (7 Tests)
    21. Nick Phipps (52 Tests)
    22. Reece Hodge (13 Tests)
    23. Tevita Kuridrani (47 Tests)

    What changes do you want to see for the next Test? Let the debate begin!

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    • August 20th 2017 @ 12:32am
      Nick Lynch said | August 20th 2017 @ 12:32am | ! Report

      Sack Nathan Grey. That’s a start.

      • August 20th 2017 @ 1:30am
        Rebellion said | August 20th 2017 @ 1:30am | ! Report

        Quite simple.
        Sack: Chieka, Grey, Hannigan, Hooper, Phipps and Robertson
        Replace with: Wessells, Fischer, Higginbotham, Gill, Powell, anyone but Robertson
        The people have spoken but the powers that be refuse to listen.
        This is a national side – not the Waratahs train-on squad

        • August 20th 2017 @ 8:44am
          Charlie said | August 20th 2017 @ 8:44am | ! Report

          You got to be joking, sack Phipps , the second half changed with his rapid accuracy and energy . Watching a different game Mate.

          • August 20th 2017 @ 2:46pm
            Realist said | August 20th 2017 @ 2:46pm | ! Report

            Watched it and noted his terrible passing which is unacceptable for a test halfback. Michael Lynagh even picked him out as conspicuously lacking skill.
            The All Blacks switched off in the 2nd half – it should have been a 90 point thrashing

            • August 20th 2017 @ 3:29pm
              George Maharris said | August 20th 2017 @ 3:29pm | ! Report

              nonsense

              Phipps probably played his way into the starting line up.

              i recall one bad pass

              • August 20th 2017 @ 5:07pm
                stagman said | August 20th 2017 @ 5:07pm | ! Report

                Phipps is useless. He did nothing except be from NSW the land of rugby self entitlement. Lucky to even be there bcause that young Tuttle kid in QLD leaves him for dead.

              • August 20th 2017 @ 5:16pm
                George Maharris said | August 20th 2017 @ 5:16pm | ! Report

                is that why he first got selected when he was a rebel?

            • August 20th 2017 @ 5:05pm
              Charlie said | August 20th 2017 @ 5:05pm | ! Report

              Realist your not being very realistic

              • August 20th 2017 @ 8:22pm
                Tom said | August 20th 2017 @ 8:22pm | ! Report

                primary job of a scrum half is to have an accurate & reliable pass both ways. Phipps has constantly demonstrated that he lacks this, particularly when under pressure. No matter how enthusiastic or how well he tackles, if he can’t pass, he shouldnt be there. simple

              • August 20th 2017 @ 8:33pm
                George Maharris said | August 20th 2017 @ 8:33pm | ! Report

                Tom

                Phipps has a better pass than genia, last night again showed that.

                Phipps definitely makes mistakes. Does he make more than what is acceptable I don’t think so

          • August 20th 2017 @ 4:48pm
            Max Power said | August 20th 2017 @ 4:48pm | ! Report

            The second half changed because the All Blacks took the foot off the accelerator, it had nothing to do with Phipps.

            • August 20th 2017 @ 4:48pm
              George Maharris said | August 20th 2017 @ 4:48pm | ! Report

              the all blacks do not take their foot off the accelerator.

              • August 20th 2017 @ 4:52pm
                cuw said | August 20th 2017 @ 4:52pm | ! Report

                yes true they did not

                they just ‘ got seduced by the scoreboard ” 😛

              • August 20th 2017 @ 5:02pm
                FunBus said | August 20th 2017 @ 5:02pm | ! Report

                Ok: here’s a question. If it was the last game of the RC and the ABs needed a 50 point winning margin to claim the Championship and went in at halftime 34 points up, how do you think the second half would have panned out?

              • August 20th 2017 @ 5:08pm
                Beelzebub said | August 20th 2017 @ 5:08pm | ! Report

                Yea right!!

              • August 20th 2017 @ 5:16pm
                George Maharris said | August 20th 2017 @ 5:16pm | ! Report

                how does any game pan out?

                both sides do their best to score points and try and stop the opposition from doing the same.

              • August 20th 2017 @ 6:14pm
                RahRah said | August 20th 2017 @ 6:14pm | ! Report

                Their coach seems to think they do, but he probably know sweet FA.

            • August 20th 2017 @ 7:48pm
              CheikMate said | August 20th 2017 @ 7:48pm | ! Report

              ..like the first half had nothing to do with Genia?

            • August 20th 2017 @ 8:22pm
              Mike said | August 20th 2017 @ 8:22pm | ! Report

              Sorry but its absurd to say the ABs took their foot off the accelerator. It denigrates the most professional side in world rugby and its just not true.

              The Wallabies found their mojo in the second half and made a game of it. ABs are more skilled than us, but at present I would settle for attitude.

              I’d keep the team much the same, just a couple of changes.

              But make Adam Coleman the captain. A quiet steady bloke who has a lock on his position (pun ha ha).

              And tell the other backs to emulate Kurtley’s attitude.

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            August 20th 2017 @ 6:09pm
            Cadfael said | August 20th 2017 @ 6:09pm | ! Report

            Genia had a very average first half. Passing was sos so and his positional play was lacking.llright in defence but that was it. Rebellion, Gill is leaving at the end of the season so I wouldn’t look at him. Hooper had a poor game for him but he has played well in the earlier tests.

            • August 20th 2017 @ 6:17pm
              cuw said | August 20th 2017 @ 6:17pm | ! Report

              i thought Gill has been in France for like two seasons , but maybe im wrong 🙂

          • August 20th 2017 @ 8:42pm
            Paul Leo said | August 20th 2017 @ 8:42pm | ! Report

            Phipps and Foley are the human tourniquets on ANY backline

        • August 20th 2017 @ 10:15am
          Jimbo81 said | August 20th 2017 @ 10:15am | ! Report

          Well said!

          Grey must go.
          Folau must start on the wing (if at all)
          Beale to 10 or Beale to FB
          Hodge / Kurindrani in centres

          • August 20th 2017 @ 12:55pm
            John DRYSDALE said | August 20th 2017 @ 12:55pm | ! Report

            I think you’ve got something there.
            Hodge and Kuridrani in centres.
            Henry S was out best back in the first half. Seemed to do more than the 4 tackles he was credited with.
            Beale to 10
            Moore out
            Hannigan out for Timani at 8 and McMahon at 6.

          • August 20th 2017 @ 12:56pm
            John DRYSDALE said | August 20th 2017 @ 12:56pm | ! Report

            I think you’ve got something there.
            Hodge and Kuridrani in centres.
            Henry S was out best back in the first half. Seemed to do more than the 4 tackles he was credited with.
            Beale to 10
            Moore out
            Hannigan out for Timani at 8 and McMahon at 6.

          • August 20th 2017 @ 12:56pm
            John DRYSDALE said | August 20th 2017 @ 12:56pm | ! Report

            I think you’ve got something there.
            Hodge and Kuridrani in centres.
            Henry S was out best back in the first half. Seemed to do more than the 4 tackles he was credited with.
            Beale to 10
            Moore out
            Hannigan out for Timani at 8 and McMahon at 6.

            • August 20th 2017 @ 7:46pm
              Fin said | August 20th 2017 @ 7:46pm | ! Report

              John haven’t heard from you for s while. Would be great to know what you think.

          • August 21st 2017 @ 12:27am
            GDP... said | August 21st 2017 @ 12:27am | ! Report

            Yes….Gill has been playing O/S…….. start with timani at 8……..McMahon at 6.. Phipps 9 Hodge 12……Kurandrani…..13……14 Folau…..Beale 15

            • August 21st 2017 @ 12:33am
              GDP... said | August 21st 2017 @ 12:33am | ! Report

              Send out an SOS ….to Pocock…….

      • August 20th 2017 @ 8:03am
        Noodles said | August 20th 2017 @ 8:03am | ! Report

        Its not coaching. It’s the cattle. Beale to 10 kerevi to 12 kuridrani to 13. DHP to 15 and Folau to wing. Timani to 8 and Simmons to 6. Everyone defends their own channel.

        • August 20th 2017 @ 8:40am
          Mr Tommo said | August 20th 2017 @ 8:40am | ! Report

          “It’s not the coaching its the cattle”… yet every single one of these mentioned players, bar one is in the the squad already. And it looks like you’re suggesting to play them in their appropriate positions, not the musical chairs chuckles has got them running. Sounds like a coaching issue to me. Or maybe it’s simply both? Eh I don’t think I even care anymore.

          • August 20th 2017 @ 11:54am
            Ray said | August 20th 2017 @ 11:54am | ! Report

            It absolutely is the coaching.

            The two wingers were thrown into defending in positions they have never played, to cover for the defence weaknesses of other players. Henry Speight seemed to be trying to cover-defend the whole backline, and the new winger looked totally lost in defence. I have never seen Speight asked to defend in the centre of the field in all his playing time in Australia, so why would that work first time up in a test match? He wasn’t selected in the team based on a heavy defence roles, but for speed and agility, and those attributes will be quickly dulled by a continual defence. The defence coaches plan failed absolutely.
            The backrow forwards are too light and are collectively ineffective in tackles and at the breakdown, and hence the AB play-on speed is simply too fast for almost any defence.

            These are coaching decisions.

          • August 20th 2017 @ 2:35pm
            Noodles said | August 20th 2017 @ 2:35pm | ! Report

            I guess I’m saying that cheika has no choice but to pick foley and Beale despite their defence. So I guess I fundamentally disagree as I would pick players who can do their job.
            Yet I don’t think it’s cheikas fault that Phipps can’t make a very simple pass at a crucial moment, ditto hooper. Plus whoever put the short pass to Simmons above his head, which caused another disaster. What choices does he have?
            I’d bite the bullet and play Beale at 10 and lose foley altogether. Put in big centres. Put in big backrowers.

            • August 20th 2017 @ 6:18pm
              RahRah said | August 20th 2017 @ 6:18pm | ! Report

              Beale is hopeless at 10. He can’t defend and he always moves laterally in attack, especially at 10. Beale needs the time and space afforded by playing at 15 where he can inject himself in attack, and has time to set himself for defense.

              • August 20th 2017 @ 6:39pm
                George Maharris said | August 20th 2017 @ 6:39pm | ! Report

                he tackled well last night

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                August 20th 2017 @ 8:16pm
                Shane D said | August 20th 2017 @ 8:16pm | ! Report

                Beale defended in the outside backs last night & did ok. Very different proposition asking him to defend at 10 or 12 though.

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                August 20th 2017 @ 7:15pm
                Cadfael said | August 20th 2017 @ 7:15pm | ! Report

                Beale wasone of our better defenders last night.

        • Roar Guru

          August 20th 2017 @ 9:57am
          Kashmir Pete said | August 20th 2017 @ 9:57am | ! Report

          concur Noodles

          biggest woe is selection including positional selection

          i would have beale at 15 though;

          throw in hodge at five eight – or wing, his punts to sideline alone justify his inclusion

          kepu starts, also like simmons as a 6 option

          cheers
          KP

        • August 20th 2017 @ 11:10am
          Craig said | August 20th 2017 @ 11:10am | ! Report

          It absolutely IS the coaching.

          • August 20th 2017 @ 1:06pm
            George Maharris said | August 20th 2017 @ 1:06pm | ! Report

            its not the underperforming australian super rugby franchises at all?

            • August 20th 2017 @ 2:46pm
              cuw said | August 20th 2017 @ 2:46pm | ! Report

              UNDERPERFORMING becoz of coaching. 🙂

              it seems the problem from a lower level – say schools.

              even the aussy girls got hammered by French. the under 20 didnot do any better.

              • August 20th 2017 @ 4:54pm
                George Maharris said | August 20th 2017 @ 4:54pm | ! Report

                if players don’t execute than it doesn’t matter about coaching.

                The players last night did not execute their defensive structure properly.

                kerevi was magnificently poor for example. he says in the line and doesn’t miss his tackles and its a completely different scoreline and arguably a close contest.

                curiously, he gets the hook at half time and we win the 2nd half 28-14. hmmm

              • August 20th 2017 @ 6:29pm
                Ruckin Oaf said | August 20th 2017 @ 6:29pm | ! Report

                “if players don’t execute than it doesn’t matter about coaching.”

                Right so who was training them for the 4 weeks or so before the test ? And who should have had them primed to perform on the night.

              • August 20th 2017 @ 6:40pm
                George Maharris said | August 20th 2017 @ 6:40pm | ! Report

                Is Cheika coaching the All Blacks or the Wallabies?

        • August 20th 2017 @ 2:11pm
          Spanners said | August 20th 2017 @ 2:11pm | ! Report

          To concede 54 points in 54 minutes, the defensive coach surely must come under the spotlight.

          Some positive stats:
          100% goal kicking
          100% own scrum (5 from 5)
          100% own lineout (9 from 9)
          95% own rucks won (108 from 113)
          13 Clean Breaks
          23 Defenders Beaten
          14 Offloads

          Some horrible stats:
          21 turnovers
          30 missed tackles (21 by backs)
          54 points conceded in 54 minutes

          For mine, Grey’s defensive structure has proven on numerous occasions to be horribly counter-productive. His record with the Tahs in 2017 broke all records for points leaked and he now has the record v All Blacks. To put his Super Rugby record in perspective, the Tahs once went 7 years (2003-2010) without conceding a 40 point match. This year he has overseen an incredible SEVEN 40+ point games from just 15 matches. It clearly doesn’t work.

          • August 20th 2017 @ 4:45pm
            Dave_S said | August 20th 2017 @ 4:45pm | ! Report

            Spanners, hard to argue with that. We seem to treat defence as an ‘ad-on’ these days.

          • August 20th 2017 @ 7:03pm
            Fin said | August 20th 2017 @ 7:03pm | ! Report

            Thanks Spanners after some of the hysterical comments it’s good to see a well balanced appraisal.

            The set piece was solid. All in all I thought the forwards went okay, probably failed to penetrate their line a bit but the majority were acceptable in the set piece, rucks and discipline.

            The two big areas where we got hammered were that we turned the ball over often forcing offloads unnecessarily and then missed a lot of tackles in the backs. TK needs to come in to 13. Kerevi was really poor defensively and I have my doubts about whether he will make the grade at 13. Rona wasn’t the worst but I think Hodge would have been a better option with the added bonus of his kicking game.

            TPN surely had to be better starting than Moore.

    • August 20th 2017 @ 12:33am
      Dan in Devon said | August 20th 2017 @ 12:33am | ! Report

      Cheika has suggested there will be few changes. Hannigan made a lot of tackles but is too ineffective at the ruck to be an international no.6. He has to go. Kurindrani should start at 13. Timani starts at 8. I can’t see how Phipps can survive his savaging by Lynagh. Powell should come in for him. So three changes to the starting team should be made – but Cheika is slow to react- kerevi should have be subbed after 25 mins. I would also like to see Billy Meekes given a place on the bench.

      • August 20th 2017 @ 1:07am
        Train Without A Station said | August 20th 2017 @ 1:07am | ! Report

        Hanigan going in to clean out a jackaling Retallick and not even shifting him just shows he isn’t up to test rugby.

        It’s ludicrous Cheika’s unwillingness to consider Higginbotham.

        • August 20th 2017 @ 2:35am
          ThugbyFan said | August 20th 2017 @ 2:35am | ! Report

          Hi TWAS. Am a WB supporter at the game and even I laughed when that happened. Did you see the massive smile on Retallick’s face as poor Ned “Flanders” Hannigan bounced off him like he had just run into a wall?

          • August 20th 2017 @ 2:54pm
            cuw said | August 20th 2017 @ 2:54pm | ! Report

            that was cruel – the smile.

            reminded me of the smirk the Highlanders prop had on his face when he did a goosestep 🙂

            • August 20th 2017 @ 6:21pm
              Cut One said | August 20th 2017 @ 6:21pm | ! Report

              The smile was like that James Bond villain Jaws …

              • August 20th 2017 @ 7:38pm
                cuw said | August 20th 2017 @ 7:38pm | ! Report

                i thought more like KANE from WWE 🙂

        • August 20th 2017 @ 2:37am
          Dan in Devon said | August 20th 2017 @ 2:37am | ! Report

          It’s a very strange selection and I am not sure what he sees in him. But then again Wallabies have had major problems with Foley’s exit kicking since RWC and yet they persist with it. And ditto the defensive shuffling, etc. There seems a certain intransigence about the Wallaby gameplay/ coaching outlook.

          • August 20th 2017 @ 7:14am
            Red Block said | August 20th 2017 @ 7:14am | ! Report

            Yet in the press conference, both Cheika and Hooper said, ‘We have to just keep doing what we’ve been doing.’
            Deep sigh!

            • August 20th 2017 @ 12:52pm
              Garth said | August 20th 2017 @ 12:52pm | ! Report

              The very definition of futility:

              doing the same things over and over again, while expecting a completely different result.

              • August 20th 2017 @ 2:50pm
                cuw said | August 20th 2017 @ 2:50pm | ! Report

                actually its called INSANITY 🙂

            • August 20th 2017 @ 5:41pm
              Sam said | August 20th 2017 @ 5:41pm | ! Report

              Keep doing what we’ve been doing?

              What? Losing?

              Deep sign x2

          • August 20th 2017 @ 5:56pm
            Uncle Eric said | August 20th 2017 @ 5:56pm | ! Report

            He’s Cheika’s lovechild. Along with Foley, Folau, Phipps et al.

          • August 20th 2017 @ 7:43pm
            Charcoal said | August 20th 2017 @ 7:43pm | ! Report

            Not only is he a Waratah, he’s also a Randwick boy.

        • August 20th 2017 @ 8:50am
          Selector said | August 20th 2017 @ 8:50am | ! Report

          I have not laughed so hard as I did watching that TWAS. That was the moment for me where I had to switch off any emotional investment in the game…

          I am not sure what they expected with the world’s smallest backrow. McMahon has tried his best, but he should be the smallest play in any backrow, not having to play the battering ram role.

          • August 20th 2017 @ 1:50pm
            Adsa said | August 20th 2017 @ 1:50pm | ! Report

            I am the same Selector, switch off and give the occasional chuckle when clowns boys do something that defies belief.

        • August 20th 2017 @ 6:20pm
          RahRah said | August 20th 2017 @ 6:20pm | ! Report

          Hannigan reminds me of a golden retriever chasing a flock of seagulls.

        • August 21st 2017 @ 3:10am
          Joe Blow said | August 21st 2017 @ 3:10am | ! Report

          Absolutely TWAS. And why not include Fardy if you consider a departing McMahon?

          Higgers should be there and will actually present a well balanced back row with Hooper at 7 and Timani at 8. Cheika did not try out this combination in June when he had the chance in a stubbornly self destructive display of selecting.
          The two 6 ft back row plus a lightweight junior is never going to work, particularly if Pocock is not one of the 6 footers.

          Stop trying to force the players in your squad to play Cheika ball and design a game plan around the talents at your disposal.

    • August 20th 2017 @ 12:40am
      Alex L said | August 20th 2017 @ 12:40am | ! Report

      Changes?

      Maybe a time machine to go back to 1995 and talk some sharp pointy sense into the ARU to prevent the 20 years or so that have led to this point.

    • August 20th 2017 @ 12:42am
      FunBus said | August 20th 2017 @ 12:42am | ! Report

      How about setting off the fire alarms before the match and trying to get it abandoned?

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      August 20th 2017 @ 12:45am
      Harry Jones said | August 20th 2017 @ 12:45am | ! Report

      23 really good tacklers
      3 really big boots

      • August 20th 2017 @ 2:52pm
        cuw said | August 20th 2017 @ 2:52pm | ! Report

        that is 26 😛

        but the way auzzy play , they will need all of that and then some 🙂

    • August 20th 2017 @ 12:46am
      Mike said | August 20th 2017 @ 12:46am | ! Report

      Change Nathan Grey for someone who understands modern defensive structures

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