Western Force win right to appeal axing

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    A NSW Supreme Court judge has granted the Western Force the right to appeal the Australian Rugby Union’s decision to axe the team from the Super Rugby competition.

    Justice David Hammerschlag said on Wednesday he had read written submissions from both the Force and the ARU and he believed an appeal should be heard.

    The judge said he would go straight into hearing the appeal on Wednesday.

    The news comes as a big boost for the Force, whose survival hopes were dealt a blow on Tuesday when the ARU rejected a multi-million dollar from billionaire Andrew Forrest to save the franchise.

    Forrest made an offer to the ARU – believed to be worth $50 million – to pump funds into Australian rugby if they reversed their decision to axe the Force.

    But the governing body refused to budge, with the matter set to be decided in the courts.

    RugbyWA are arguing the ARU had no right to axe the Force under the terms of the alignment deal that was struck last year.

    In that deal, which was effectively a takeover, the ARU guaranteed the Force’s future until at least the end of the broadcast deal in 2020.

    But the ARU successfully argued in arbitration that the broadcast deal has since been renegotiated, given the competition will go from 18 teams to 15.

    With the broadcast deal tweaked because of the fewer number of teams, the ARU claim they were within their rights to axe the Force.

    The Cheetahs and Kings were also axed as part of the shake-up, with the South African franchises joining Europe’s Pro14 competition.

    The size of Forrest’s offer to the ARU has stunned the rugby public.

    Forrest also guaranteed to bankroll any potential future losses by the Force.

    But the ARU said they couldn’t reinstate the Force because SANZAAR had already eliminated a 16-team Super competition for a number of reasons.

    “These factors included the extensive cost and limited appeal of a 16-team round-robin competition, player welfare issues due to extra travel requirements, and the loss of popular home and away ‘derbies’ in each country,” ARU chairman Cameron Clyne said.

    “We were genuinely appreciative of Andrew’s generous offer to back the Western Force and Australian Rugby.

    “However, given the position we are in, we are unable to work towards retaining five teams in Super Rugby.”

    If the Force’s appeal is unsuccessful, Forrest has pledged to start up a new international rugby competition that will see the Force compete with teams from Asia.

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    • August 23rd 2017 @ 12:09pm
      Fionn said | August 23rd 2017 @ 12:09pm | ! Report

      Good.

      • August 23rd 2017 @ 2:06pm
        Jumbo said | August 23rd 2017 @ 2:06pm | ! Report

        Doesn’t fix the problem though, still a team has to go. So if not the force than who, for these people ,who say they have Australian rugby at heart but are saying save our team and cut the rebels\brumbies are no better than the East cronies themselves.

        • Roar Rookie

          August 23rd 2017 @ 2:58pm
          piru said | August 23rd 2017 @ 2:58pm | ! Report

          It’s the ARU who are insisting a team be cut

          so much so, they won’t go back to SANZAAR,even for $50 million, and renegoitate

          • August 24th 2017 @ 2:29pm
            Waz said | August 24th 2017 @ 2:29pm | ! Report

            I’m sure if they went to SANZAR and said here’s $5m each for your troubles they’d change their minds lol

        • August 23rd 2017 @ 5:43pm
          republican said | August 23rd 2017 @ 5:43pm | ! Report

          ……the Brumbies destiny has long been extinction sadly, while the wild unhinged west has billionaires at their disposal to finance their illusion of status, the ACT does not………

    • August 23rd 2017 @ 12:14pm
      Bakkies said | August 23rd 2017 @ 12:14pm | ! Report

      Cheers lads.

      TWAS it’s Mabo, it’s the vibe no it’s just the vibe

      • August 23rd 2017 @ 12:30pm
        Mr Tommo said | August 23rd 2017 @ 12:30pm | ! Report

        Just burst out laughing and now everyone in the office is looking, cheers Bakkies.

      • August 23rd 2017 @ 4:05pm
        Mad Dog said | August 23rd 2017 @ 4:05pm | ! Report

        Well played sir. Tip of the hat to you

      • August 23rd 2017 @ 5:19pm
        Drongo said | August 23rd 2017 @ 5:19pm | ! Report

        Don’t get too excited. All they have received is leave to appeal.
        It’s clear that the ARUs hands are tied. It’s 15 teams next year.

        • August 23rd 2017 @ 5:37pm
          Bakkies said | August 23rd 2017 @ 5:37pm | ! Report

          That’s irrelevant Drongo. The judge has already heard the Force’s case and the ARU’s ‘version’ which had more holes than a Foley and Beale 10-12 combination.

          • Roar Guru

            August 23rd 2017 @ 6:31pm
            El Gamba said | August 23rd 2017 @ 6:31pm | ! Report

            “In good faith” seems to be the sticking point, and if so, the ARU is in trouble. There’s been no demonstrable “good faith” shown by the ARU.

            • August 24th 2017 @ 9:40am
              Jibba Jabba said | August 24th 2017 @ 9:40am | ! Report

              And NO ‘Consent’ by the Force to the change – as a party to the existing agreement they legally have to give their consent to any change.

        • August 23rd 2017 @ 7:59pm
          superba said | August 23rd 2017 @ 7:59pm | ! Report

          Yep Drongo
          15 teams .
          But which Oz teams ?

          • August 23rd 2017 @ 11:36pm
            Bakkies said | August 23rd 2017 @ 11:36pm | ! Report

            The Sharks may volunteer to go if their reported interest in playing in Europe is genuine.

    • August 23rd 2017 @ 12:14pm
      Ken Catchpole's Other Leg said | August 23rd 2017 @ 12:14pm | ! Report

      Wow! – there’s plenty of attack and defense in Australian rugby, just not on the field.

    • August 23rd 2017 @ 12:16pm
      Fionn said | August 23rd 2017 @ 12:16pm | ! Report

      Could I be insane or is it theoretically possible that the ARU hopes that the Force win this appeal, the ARUs hands are tied and they are unable to cut a team, and thus they are able to grab Forrest’s offer with two hands?

      Does that make any sense, or do I sound insane?

      • August 23rd 2017 @ 12:19pm
        Johnno said | August 23rd 2017 @ 12:19pm | ! Report

        Not that silly

      • August 23rd 2017 @ 12:22pm
        TPM said | August 23rd 2017 @ 12:22pm | ! Report

        Fionn, in the circumstances and given the utter mess that Australian rugby is in, anything is possible.

      • August 23rd 2017 @ 12:23pm
        Damo said | August 23rd 2017 @ 12:23pm | ! Report

        You’re assuming Forrest will still offer the money if the Force win the appeal. They’ve rejected his monetary offer once so he might just ensure the Force will be ok financially and leave the ARU to pick up the rest of the mess.

        • August 23rd 2017 @ 12:26pm
          Fionn said | August 23rd 2017 @ 12:26pm | ! Report

          If half his words these last few weeks were true then I doubt that this would be the case.

          The bloke is a philanthropist and I prefer to have faith in him until he shows me a reason not to. He has said that he wants to support Australian rugby nationally (but only if rugby in WA is protected also). Maybe it would be a slightly different offer, but Australian rugby still needs his support, surely that means that he wouldn’t disappear out the back door as soon as the Force was safe?

          • Roar Guru

            August 23rd 2017 @ 12:43pm
            The Neutral View From Sweden said | August 23rd 2017 @ 12:43pm | ! Report

            That is my impression also Fionn. Twiggy comes through as legit. And if OZ rugby all the sudden has a new patron who just happens to be a philanthropist rugby lover who knows big time business in both OZ and Asia… well it sounds almost fictional when thinking about it. This could be the beginning of a huge turnaround for OZ rugby.

            In the court, the war is not over yet. Of course not. Today’s news gives Force fans – and frankly most dedicated rugby fans in the world – more hope, but an appeal does not equal a victory.

            If Twiggy and ARU can agree on something outside the court house, that is by far better than any other possible solution that is on offer now.

          • August 23rd 2017 @ 1:22pm
            Ex force fan said | August 23rd 2017 @ 1:22pm | ! Report

            You can be sure the moment the Force is cut that he will not support non-WA rugby in any way.

            • Roar Guru

              August 23rd 2017 @ 2:02pm
              The Neutral View From Sweden said | August 23rd 2017 @ 2:02pm | ! Report

              That is a given.

            • August 23rd 2017 @ 6:22pm
              kkovak said | August 23rd 2017 @ 6:22pm | ! Report

              Nor should he I still prefer if WA pulls away from the Eastern states maggots and go our own way .Why should our local players pay for a new building for the ARU or support the chardonnay swilling by the board

              • August 23rd 2017 @ 9:17pm
                Jack said | August 23rd 2017 @ 9:17pm | ! Report

                There is no such thing as East Coast Rugby. Do you really think that get NSW, Queensland and Victoria want the Force axed? The solution is more fans not less. I for one would give up Brumbies home games for while, until the structure of SH Rugby is sorted, rather than lose the West. Join the teams for while. Give us both sets of players and salary cap. The current ARU management has to go of course because they do not have answers and have watched the train wreck. But mate abusing other supporters and clubs does not help.

              • August 24th 2017 @ 12:00am
                Ex force fan said | August 24th 2017 @ 12:00am | ! Report

                NSW and QLD want to canabalise the Force players and use the $6 million savings per year to fund their teams and state rugby. The whole drive to axe the Force is not because the Force struggle financially but because all superteams struggle. It’s this willingness to kill the Force for the benefit of the Eastern States that I find sickening.

              • August 24th 2017 @ 11:34am
                Dave said | August 24th 2017 @ 11:34am | ! Report

                Eastern states have never ever cared for WA in anything. This is just a symptom of the usual.

                ARU couldn’t even meet Forrest in Perth because it was too far to fly.

        • August 23rd 2017 @ 12:27pm
          TPM said | August 23rd 2017 @ 12:27pm | ! Report

          Not an unreasonable stance to take.

          • August 23rd 2017 @ 12:30pm
            Fionn said | August 23rd 2017 @ 12:30pm | ! Report

            Statist loyalties are already damaging Australian rugby hugely, it would be nice if someone like Forrest wanted to go above narrow state interests and look after the game nationally.

            • Roar Rookie

              August 23rd 2017 @ 12:33pm
              piru said | August 23rd 2017 @ 12:33pm | ! Report

              For what it’s worth I don’t think Forrest would be that petty

              • August 23rd 2017 @ 12:35pm
                Fionn said | August 23rd 2017 @ 12:35pm | ! Report

                Nor do I, from what I’ve read of the guy he seems like a generous and good human being.

              • August 23rd 2017 @ 1:04pm
                Damo said | August 23rd 2017 @ 1:04pm | ! Report

                I don’t think so either, I honestly believes he wants to protect the game for all of Australia – I was just throwing the possibility out there.

              • August 23rd 2017 @ 1:58pm
                Jumbo said | August 23rd 2017 @ 1:58pm | ! Report

                He’s a businessman, his passion is money. You don’t get that far in life loving rugby.

              • August 23rd 2017 @ 1:23pm
                Ex force fan said | August 23rd 2017 @ 1:23pm | ! Report

                I don’t think he will be as long as the Force is not left out on the cold.

              • August 23rd 2017 @ 3:19pm
                rock said | August 23rd 2017 @ 3:19pm | ! Report

                “He’s a businessman, his passion is money. You don’t get that far in life loving rugby.”

                That’s why he gives sooo much of it away isn’t it, because he loves it to much……….

                Sure he’s a businessman, but he’s also a philanthropist that donates a whole lot of his net worth to good causes for no other reasons then that they’re good causes.

              • August 23rd 2017 @ 4:21pm
                Chivas said | August 23rd 2017 @ 4:21pm | ! Report

                Yes, but not lost causes. He won’t be the one left carrying the can at the end of the day. He is both genuine and smart.. meaning he doesn’t mind putting skin in the game, but expects others to demonstrate they also have a vested interest and in this case that means in WA.

                Even if he forces his foot back in the door, you can bet he will be wanting to hold some people to account for this.

              • August 23rd 2017 @ 6:28pm
                Jumbo said | August 23rd 2017 @ 6:28pm | ! Report

                you do know donations can be claimed back ,it is also a great way to dodge taxable income. He’s a clever businessman and is making an investment, with the goal of getting an return and building PR. He’s earned far too much this week alone, believe what you want, does he know anything about rugby? I’m not having a go at him it’s great, but I’m not going to believe it’s just about the love of rugby.

              • August 23rd 2017 @ 6:32pm
                Moz said | August 23rd 2017 @ 6:32pm | ! Report

                Can you explain how this is classified as a donation?

                And does he know anything about rugby? Try reading up about him and reading some previous posts, rather than having people go through all this again.

                But a short answer is “yes”. And he has John Welborn as his rugby consultant (he does know little about rugby as well, especially the Perth playing environment)

              • August 23rd 2017 @ 10:33pm
                Jumbo said | August 23rd 2017 @ 10:33pm | ! Report

                I had rock reminding me of twiggys donations to many ventures. Just outlining that they do this for a reason other than good will. Well a little about the perth rugby environment ? That’s inspirational, perth is hardly a rugby mad city with a strong rugby history or background. Now they want to start a competition?Heck I still get people asking ,what the difference between union and rugby league is? In perth.

              • Roar Pro

                August 24th 2017 @ 5:13pm
                Crazy Horse said | August 24th 2017 @ 5:13pm | ! Report

                Kicking off at 6:00 PM on a Thursday in the middle of rush hour and they wonder why few fans show up!

              • August 24th 2017 @ 4:02pm
                Chivas said | August 24th 2017 @ 4:02pm | ! Report

                Yes Jumbo I know how to write off donations against my tax, but to suggest he is throwing his money away to get into a lower tax bracket, when company tax is a flat rate is pretty funny or maybe he’s doing it to raise his profile or maybe he’s writing off his personal tax to get into a lower taxation bracket.. Have you really thought this through. I’m certainly no tax accountant nor do I know what Twiggy’s mind is… so I’m not about to speculate.

                All I would say is he is a reasonably intelligent person and regardless of his reason for giving his money or investing it in a cause, he expects returns.

                I would also speculate as to the fact that he has quite a strong feel for community. At the moment this appears to be his thrust, not whether or not he can coach a team or knows the details of running Australian rugby.

                As for setting up a competition, there are plenty of successful examples about across a multitude of sports where it has been successfully done without the person being involved in day to day deliberations of a rugby administration.

                As for knowing some people in Perth who don’t know rugby. That is fine… but it means little. More telling statistics are how it is spreading and growing in schools and at grass roots. That is what is being leveraged, not if you can find someone who isn’t aware of the game.

                A poll which compares now to 10 years ago would be relevant, not I met someone who….

              • August 23rd 2017 @ 6:34pm
                Ozrugbynut said | August 23rd 2017 @ 6:34pm | ! Report

                Who knows, it might even spark a few other corporate tight ar$ses to open the cheque books at long last.

              • August 24th 2017 @ 6:18am
                ScottD said | August 24th 2017 @ 6:18am | ! Report

                JUMBO

                To answer your question:

                Forrest played rugby therefore he knows as much about it as you and every other Roarer do. He is also a foundation member of the Force and routinely goes to the games.

              • August 24th 2017 @ 1:28pm
                Jumbo said | August 24th 2017 @ 1:28pm | ! Report

                It’s funny because after playing in the perth club scene since the early 2000s, ive never heard of him until of late. Like alot of us, he knows more because he’s got money? Ok..

              • August 24th 2017 @ 2:04pm
                Moz said | August 24th 2017 @ 2:04pm | ! Report

                He may have been a little busy running FMG to get down to the local clubhouse regularly… Also, FMG have also been a sponsor for a few years, so there is some history there.

                And whilst he may only know as much as us, he does have the funds to actually do something about it.

              • Roar Rookie

                August 24th 2017 @ 11:48am
                piru said | August 24th 2017 @ 11:48am | ! Report

                Only Aussie rugby fans could say “yeah he has billions of dollars and is offering to pay for heaps of stuff, but what’s he really thinking?”

            • August 23rd 2017 @ 5:42pm
              13th Man said | August 23rd 2017 @ 5:42pm | ! Report

              After the ARU turned down his offer I actually hope the opposite happens and Forrest only supports WA.
              As a proud West Australian I hope he continues to stick it up the Eastern States.
              WA props up this country and is never given enough respect. Already we get so little of our share of the GST and now the ARU continues to reject Western Australia which is actually at the moment the strongest rugby community in the country due to the high amount of Kiwis, South Africans and Poms living here.

      • Roar Rookie

        August 23rd 2017 @ 12:29pm
        Die hard said | August 23rd 2017 @ 12:29pm | ! Report

        If the Force win the ARU are still in the position that they only have four berths for teams next season. The Australian courts hold no sway over SANZAAR.

        It is ever missed that neither NZ nor SA want to play such weak opposition. When does nil from twenty six actually register with the fans that should be looking for some sort of actual contest.

        • Roar Guru

          August 23rd 2017 @ 1:00pm
          Joey Johns said | August 23rd 2017 @ 1:00pm | ! Report

          Wrong. Australia have veto rights.

          • August 23rd 2017 @ 1:24pm
            Ex force fan said | August 23rd 2017 @ 1:24pm | ! Report

            No they voted for 15 teams now SARU, NZRU and Argentina have veto rights to prevent 16 teams.

          • August 23rd 2017 @ 3:43pm
            Julius said | August 23rd 2017 @ 3:43pm | ! Report

            Veto rights? The broadcasters–the people who fund the game–have viewing figures that show next to nobody wants to watch the Force or the Rebels. Do you think the rest of SANZAAR is going to sit idly by and let Australia drag everyone down the drain?

            • Roar Rookie

              August 23rd 2017 @ 3:47pm
              piru said | August 23rd 2017 @ 3:47pm | ! Report

              They should do what’s right for them

              The ARU should do what’s right for Australia

            • August 23rd 2017 @ 5:41pm
              Bakkies said | August 23rd 2017 @ 5:41pm | ! Report

              Viewing figures are largely immaterial when it comes to subscription tv. It’s all about subscription numbers. Force home games also provide a lead in match for European and SA viewers for the afternoon matches. The European and SA networks are the ones that kicked in the extra money to keep the ARU afloat.

              • Roar Guru

                August 23rd 2017 @ 5:46pm
                The Neutral View From Sweden said | August 23rd 2017 @ 5:46pm | ! Report

                The European and SA networks are the ones that kicked in the extra money to keep the ARU afloat.

                True that.

              • August 23rd 2017 @ 6:53pm
                Ex force fan said | August 23rd 2017 @ 6:53pm | ! Report

                SA Rugby magazine just released that Aussies are switching of in large numbers from rugby, Not only was this the lowest crowd figures for a AB-WB test, only 600,000 Australians watched the match on TV. That includes 371,000 metro free-to-air viewes and only 220,000 TV subscription. The rugby league test between Australia and New Zealand attracted 860,000 viewers by comparison.

                It must be the rugby public telling the ARU Board that is time to go – we lost interest as you jump from one crisis to another. We know axing the Force was a mistake but the way you handle this is even worst!

              • August 23rd 2017 @ 10:19pm
                milan said | August 23rd 2017 @ 10:19pm | ! Report

                nonsense bakkies, of course they are important for goodness sake. If the Force or whichever team are popular then they will get more tv ratings and of course to get those tv ratings they need to be subscribers.

                If AFL was only on pay tv then there would be a hell of a lot more subscribers.

                To suggest that the two are not linked is the kind of rubbish you, Piru, Jacko and Crazy Horse have been spouting for far too long on the roar

              • August 24th 2017 @ 12:10am
                Bakkies said | August 24th 2017 @ 12:10am | ! Report

                ‘nonsense bakkies, of course they are important for goodness sake. If the Force or whichever team are popular then they will get more tv ratings and of course to get those tv ratings they need to be subscribers.’

                No one asked for your useless and unwanted opinion so rack off.

            • Roar Guru

              August 23rd 2017 @ 8:50pm
              Mark Richmond said | August 23rd 2017 @ 8:50pm | ! Report

              Incorrect. In the initial discussions of cutting a side, Foxtel firmly wanted The Force to survive, rather than an eastern state….5.30 game in NZ, 7.30 game in the east, 9.30 game in the west (all times AEST).

              • August 24th 2017 @ 12:11am
                Bakkies said | August 24th 2017 @ 12:11am | ! Report

                Yep than you have the games from SA on after that.

        • Roar Guru

          August 23rd 2017 @ 1:05pm
          The Neutral View From Sweden said | August 23rd 2017 @ 1:05pm | ! Report

          It is ever missed that neither NZ nor SA wants to play such weak opposition. When does nil from twenty-six actually register with the fans that should be looking for some sort of actual contest?

          If I play the Devil’s advocate for NZR. Ask for a meet with Twiggy. Make him commit to that the Force – an ideally all four OZ SR teams – will raise their ambitions to deliver a quality rugby team. If he commits, well… put out the hand and say welcome on board Sir. Looking forward doing business with you.

        • August 23rd 2017 @ 1:22pm
          Perthstayer said | August 23rd 2017 @ 1:22pm | ! Report

          Die Hard.

          WARU feel their off field work in the last 5 years has reached a tipping point and the State can help drive a recovery of union in Australia.

          To cure the woeful state of SR and WB rugby it is best to cure what caused it. If your left arm gets gangrene and is amputated you don’t cut off the right.

          If keeping WF means Australia leaving SR then so be it. As you say, does no-one remember 26 to zero?

          I do not feel this opinion is cutting off my nose to spite my face. I believe WARU/WF has shown a path that if repeated across the nation would lead to sustainable national improvement.

          • Roar Pro

            August 23rd 2017 @ 1:34pm
            Crazy Horse said | August 23rd 2017 @ 1:34pm | ! Report

            or 41 to 11

          • Roar Rookie

            August 23rd 2017 @ 8:49pm
            Die hard said | August 23rd 2017 @ 8:49pm | ! Report

            Perthstayer i agree that WA rugby is strong and deserve support. This is not the team to be culled.

            However there are other interests that demand a better product and Australia must up their game. One must go to concentrate the talent. The NRC must lift in quality and substance to support those teams.

            I personally think us let down with the entry of the rebels.

      • Roar Rookie

        August 23rd 2017 @ 12:34pm
        piru said | August 23rd 2017 @ 12:34pm | ! Report

        just crazy enough to be true.

        Would be hilarious to see them defending their side in court if that was the case though, not really wanting to win

        • August 23rd 2017 @ 12:38pm
          Fionn said | August 23rd 2017 @ 12:38pm | ! Report

          Bakkies mentioned the Castle, imagine the ARU lawyering rock up looking like Dennis Denuto and then just talk about Mabo and ‘the vibe’.

          • August 23rd 2017 @ 12:50pm
            P. Danntick said | August 23rd 2017 @ 12:50pm | ! Report

            You’re dreamin’, mate. 🙂

          • August 23rd 2017 @ 2:24pm
            Bakkies said | August 23rd 2017 @ 2:24pm | ! Report

            It’s the constitution, ya all of it

            • Roar Rookie

              August 23rd 2017 @ 5:03pm
              piru said | August 23rd 2017 @ 5:03pm | ! Report

              You know Fionn, the more I think about this, the more sense it makes.

              The ARU was prepared to go with the results of the arbitration, even if it went against them.

        • August 23rd 2017 @ 1:20pm
          Old One Eye said | August 23rd 2017 @ 1:20pm | ! Report

          The Force lawyers will make their deposition. The ARU silk will stand up and reply “What he said your honour”. The ARU rests.

      • August 23rd 2017 @ 1:39pm
        RahRah said | August 23rd 2017 @ 1:39pm | ! Report

        I thought the same thing, but I don’t think they are that clever.

      • Roar Guru

        August 23rd 2017 @ 2:52pm
        Timbo (L) said | August 23rd 2017 @ 2:52pm | ! Report

        It would be a good outcome because Plan B has the Werstern Australian government Suing the EEARU for $100 mil effectively bankrupting them (the first E is for Evil).

        If they win they will PWN the ARU appointing Twiggy as CEO for life who will then force a merger between the Brumbies and either the Tahs or the Rebs stating geography and common sense as the reason. Extra Home games will be awarded so that all 5 cities get the same share and a national footprint is maintained.

        Matt Hodgeson (CFO) will cancel player top ups forcing Hunt, Folau and Beale to take a pay cut scaring them back to league or europe.
        Marquee players will be cut and only players with or working toward Wallaby eligibility allowed to play.

        /End Tirade

        • August 23rd 2017 @ 3:40pm
          Fionn said | August 23rd 2017 @ 3:40pm | ! Report

          I’m sorry I’m really confused as to how the Force suing the ARU leads to Twiggy Forrest and Hodgson running Australian rugby.

          • Roar Rookie

            August 23rd 2017 @ 4:52pm
            piru said | August 23rd 2017 @ 4:52pm | ! Report

            You have to think outside the box Fionn!

            I reckon there are far worse things (and yes I am aware this is satire)

          • Roar Guru

            August 23rd 2017 @ 5:09pm
            Timbo (L) said | August 23rd 2017 @ 5:09pm | ! Report

            Because the EEARU will be bankrupted if they lose the suit and will have to hand the business (yes, i said this right, it is a business) over to the victor as payment.

            The rest is just satire to bring mirth to some, ire from others.

      • Columnist

        August 23rd 2017 @ 3:11pm
        Brett McKay said | August 23rd 2017 @ 3:11pm | ! Report

        It might be needed to bankroll any legal action from the other SANZAAR partners…

        • August 23rd 2017 @ 3:39pm
          Fionn said | August 23rd 2017 @ 3:39pm | ! Report

          Brett, what exactly would the other SANZAAR partners be able to sue the ARU for if they legally can’t cut a team? Do we even know if there is a valid legal contract between the ARU and SANZAAR or the ARU and the other partners of SANZAAR to cut a team?

          • Columnist

            August 23rd 2017 @ 4:21pm
            Brett McKay said | August 23rd 2017 @ 4:21pm | ! Report

            We know that the SANZAAR partners agreed to a new 15-team competition from 2018, and we know that as part of that agreement, the ARU agreed to providing only four Australian teams.

            Was this validly and legally contracted? I have no idea, but you would think it was formalised somehow (because what sporting body worth their salt would allow a ‘but, there was never a contract’ defence?)

            I would imagine – and I’m clearly no lawyer – that the thinking would be that the ARU in not being able to cut a team, are in breach of the SANZAAR deal they agreed to.

            I don’t even know if SANZAAR partners can even take action against each other, but I can’t imagine the sudden development that the ARU actually isn’t able to hold up their end of the new agreement would go down well..

            • August 23rd 2017 @ 4:44pm
              Darwin Stubbie said | August 23rd 2017 @ 4:44pm | ! Report

              The other side of the equation could well be that the broadcasters turn around and play hardball and offer a diminished revenue stream for any type of 16 team competition and Aust carry the loss at their end … I still think they’ll need to provide only 4 teams – how they are going to that will be interesting if they lose the appeal

              • Columnist

                August 23rd 2017 @ 5:20pm
                Brett McKay said | August 23rd 2017 @ 5:20pm | ! Report

                You might be right Darwin, but then the broadcasters quite surprisingly agreed to less content (18 teams’ worth of games down to 15 teams’ worth) for the same amount of money.

                It could just as easily be that they say we’ll have the 16 teams’ worth of content for the same amount of money again, thanks.

                (Heck, they might even be able to convince Fox Sports that ‘at least two’ Australian home games per round is worthy paying a bit more again than ‘no more than two’ – with Fox stumping up from the $30 Govt grant they got for the purposes of covering niche sports!)

              • Roar Guru

                August 23rd 2017 @ 5:30pm
                The Neutral View From Sweden said | August 23rd 2017 @ 5:30pm | ! Report

                Hi Brett

                Is “more OZ rugby” a selling point now? Would it not be better if OZ rugby started to perform and play some high-quality rugby, and then you go to the negotiating table?

                To my knowledge Kiwi derbies scores higher on the OZ TV-market. Some of that is Kiwi expats of course, but I think the Aussie majority are watching because of quality and fierce competition. Fix that, and OZ rugby has a product to sell.

              • Roar Guru

                August 23rd 2017 @ 5:57pm
                sheek said | August 23rd 2017 @ 5:57pm | ! Report

                I’ve offered the solution & almost no-one will touch it, either to knock the idea down or support it.

                ARU take a leaf out of BBL & create four artificial teams in the four biggest cities – Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane & Perth. Call ’em whatever & dress ’em in whatever.

                Meanwhile Waratahs, Reds, Brumbies, Rebels & Force make cornerstone teams of NRC, or whatever else you call it.

                This then mirrors precisely what NZ, SA & Argentina have done – artificial franchises in super rugby, traditional, historical provinces in national domestic comp.

                It will obviously require rejigging & rejuggling of teams. But protects the provinces while giving SANZAAR what they want.

                Australian rugby – stupid is as stupid does.

              • Roar Guru

                August 23rd 2017 @ 6:12pm
                The Neutral View From Sweden said | August 23rd 2017 @ 6:12pm | ! Report

                I like it, Sheek!

                As franchise names, The Melbourne Rebels, The Perth Force, The Brisbane Reds, and The Sydney Tahs all sounds good. Has a club feel. But the short names should be the city names as you mention, Thas, Force etc are only included when the full name is required. Could boost local support.

              • August 23rd 2017 @ 6:17pm
                Moz said | August 23rd 2017 @ 6:17pm | ! Report

                Sorry, I can’t follow these… They need to have some history and context. The Melbourne Rebels – where are they based, who do they represent. Likewise the Force. I don’t think it helps just plucking new names out of the air!

                Love your work!

              • Roar Pro

                August 24th 2017 @ 5:27pm
                Crazy Horse said | August 24th 2017 @ 5:27pm | ! Report

                The Western Force represents the whole state of Western Australia, not just Perth.

              • Roar Rookie

                August 23rd 2017 @ 6:03pm
                piru said | August 23rd 2017 @ 6:03pm | ! Report

                Sheek I like this idea and have seen you spruik it several times without saying so (my apologies).

                In effect the rugby areas are insulated from SANZAAR

              • Columnist

                August 23rd 2017 @ 6:12pm
                Brett McKay said | August 23rd 2017 @ 6:12pm | ! Report

                Swede, as I mentioned above, I’m still surprised ALL the broadcasters (not just Australia) agreed to less content for the same money. In all reality, 16 teams’ worth of content would be the broadcasters’ way of clawing back some of the content they were already paying for..

              • Roar Guru

                August 23rd 2017 @ 6:47pm
                sheek said | August 23rd 2017 @ 6:47pm | ! Report

                Moz,

                Which planet are you on?

                The only teams in super rugby that represent their provinces are Australian.They’re the only ones that actually identify a place.

                NZ & SA regions did away with provincial names around 2000.The reasons being purely political.

              • August 23rd 2017 @ 6:55pm
                Moz said | August 23rd 2017 @ 6:55pm | ! Report

                Which planet am I on? The planet that thought this was actually a great idea, and was trying to be a bit tongue in cheek with my reply about the names suggested by The Neutral View….. Thats why I wrote “love your work” at the end. In future,

                Obviously I will be extremely serious with any comments which may reflect badly on you or any of your comments in the future.

              • Roar Guru

                August 23rd 2017 @ 7:51pm
                sheek said | August 23rd 2017 @ 7:51pm | ! Report

                Sorry Moz,

                Please accept grovelling apology…..

              • August 23rd 2017 @ 8:24pm
                Moz said | August 23rd 2017 @ 8:24pm | ! Report

                Haha, thank!

            • August 23rd 2017 @ 4:51pm
              Fionn said | August 23rd 2017 @ 4:51pm | ! Report

              So what that tells me Brett is that no one has any idea and we are all totally fumbling around in the dark.

              You need some form of consideration to change hands between partners for a contract to take place – did the ARU contract with itself (through SANZAAR)? I’d be surprised if they were silly enough to make a binding contract without knowing they were 100% able to deliver. An agreement would seek more likely.

              That said, nothing from the ARU surprises me now.

              DS, how does SANZAAR force the ARU to accept less when the ARU have a veto?

              • Roar Rookie

                August 23rd 2017 @ 5:01pm
                piru said | August 23rd 2017 @ 5:01pm | ! Report

                The way it should go down:

                ARU: I know we said we would cut a team but we can’t

                SANZAAR: But you promised!

                ARU: We know and we feel really bad but it turns out those West Aussies actually DO like rugby. Who knew?

                SANZAAR: This is gonna cost us $X

                ARU: Twiggy, pay the man

                SANZAAR: Cool, see you in London for some reason

              • Columnist

                August 23rd 2017 @ 5:22pm
                Brett McKay said | August 23rd 2017 @ 5:22pm | ! Report

                Fionn, we’ve been in the dark now for so long, I’d welcome even just cloudy moonlight at this point…

              • August 23rd 2017 @ 10:22pm
                Fionn said | August 23rd 2017 @ 10:22pm | ! Report

                ‘See you in London for some reason’

                Love it 😛

            • Roar Rookie

              August 23rd 2017 @ 5:00pm
              Paul D said | August 23rd 2017 @ 5:00pm | ! Report

              From something I saw elsewhere, the Force’s lawyer was focusing on the SANZAAR agreement saying, when discussing the total number of teams it changed from “No less than 18” to “no less than 15” with “no less that 4 provided by Australia”.

              So in essence claiming that Australia had no contractual obligation to cut a team, and therefore has not significantly altered the terms of the broadcast deal enough to allow the agreement with WA Rugby for continued inclusion to 2020 to be voided.

              • Roar Rookie

                August 23rd 2017 @ 5:05pm
                piru said | August 23rd 2017 @ 5:05pm | ! Report

                That’s some really wonky wording if that’s the case

                And really does put the spotlight back on the ARU – they weren’t forced to cut anyone

              • Roar Pro

                August 24th 2017 @ 5:29pm
                Crazy Horse said | August 24th 2017 @ 5:29pm | ! Report

                Are you surprised that something Clyne and Pulver had a hand in is wonky?

              • August 23rd 2017 @ 5:48pm
                Bakkies said | August 23rd 2017 @ 5:48pm | ! Report

                piru it was a potshot at the ARU and the Judge fund it funny

            • August 23rd 2017 @ 6:32pm
              mtiger said | August 23rd 2017 @ 6:32pm | ! Report

              I think Australiann law (and most other jurisdiction) recognizes the doctrine of frustration of contract.

              Example:-

              “6—Effect of frustration on contractual obligations
              (1) Subject to subsection (2), the frustration of a contract discharges the parties from all
              contractual obligations (including obligations that should have been, but were not,
              performed before the date of frustration).
              (2) The frustration of a contract does not affect—
              (a) an obligation that is, according to the proper construction of the contract, to
              survive frustration; or
              (b) a right of action, that arose before frustration, for damages for breach of
              contract (but, in the assessment of any such damages, the fact that the contract
              has been frustrated and any consequential adjustment, or right to an
              adjustment, under this Act will be taken into account). ”

              So, the outcome is likely to be that the Sanzaar deal may have to be re-negotiated to fit one with Force

              • August 23rd 2017 @ 7:52pm
                Steph01 said | August 23rd 2017 @ 7:52pm | ! Report

                I think they would struggle with the frustration of contract approach. Frustration of contract refers to an event that could not have been foreseen that results in the contract being incapable of being performed. You could argue that any reasonable person would foresee that the team selected would not go quietly and that despite how difficult it might be, this still doesn’t stop the ARU from cutting a team. .

              • August 24th 2017 @ 12:21am
                Bakkies said | August 24th 2017 @ 12:21am | ! Report

                De Clyne isn’t a reasonable person.

            • Roar Rookie

              August 23rd 2017 @ 8:46pm
              Dwards said | August 23rd 2017 @ 8:46pm | ! Report

              Brett,

              Do you think SARU have honoured the deal? They may have cut 2 teams out of Super Rugby, but since those teams will be playing pro 14 it won’t improve the quality in the SA teams. That seems a bit dodgy really. I’m not sure that is what the broadcast partners were looking for.

          • August 23rd 2017 @ 11:10pm
            superba said | August 23rd 2017 @ 11:10pm | ! Report

            pleeez Kkovak
            sav blanc
            Marlboro of course

        • Roar Guru

          August 23rd 2017 @ 5:11pm
          Timbo (L) said | August 23rd 2017 @ 5:11pm | ! Report

          I would be interested to see the Broadcast contract with SANZAAR. It has got to be one of the worst written, one sided contract if it gives Fox et. al. the right to cut the number of teams.

        • August 23rd 2017 @ 5:46pm
          Bakkies said | August 23rd 2017 @ 5:46pm | ! Report

          Argentina don’t have money to sue and SA don’t have a leg to stand on. SA didn’t hold up their end of the bargain but cutting two teams to increase the quality of their remaining four sides.

          • August 23rd 2017 @ 6:22pm
            Clyde said | August 23rd 2017 @ 6:22pm | ! Report

            Really, and you believe that fairy tale. All SA rugby had to do was cut 2 teams for the same revenue. Revenue that will be used to keep quality players in Super rugby, and secure the next generation of players. That sounds 100% like keeping up to the agreement.

            • August 24th 2017 @ 12:34am
              Bakkies said | August 24th 2017 @ 12:34am | ! Report

              ‘All SA rugby had to do was cut 2 teams for the same revenue. ‘

              That was never going to happen under the Sanzaar agreement and relocating sides is not a cull.

              It was bulldust that came out of Jurie Roux’s mouth which de Clyne and Pulver fell for while the Cheetahs had their lawyers ready.

            • Roar Rookie

              August 24th 2017 @ 10:53am
              piru said | August 24th 2017 @ 10:53am | ! Report

              Except SA didn’t cut any teams

              • August 24th 2017 @ 1:22pm
                Bakkies said | August 24th 2017 @ 1:22pm | ! Report

                Yep that’s for sure

      • August 23rd 2017 @ 5:21pm
        Drongo said | August 23rd 2017 @ 5:21pm | ! Report

        His offer is very good. If the ARU could take it I think they probably would.

      • August 23rd 2017 @ 5:21pm
        Drongo said | August 23rd 2017 @ 5:21pm | ! Report

        His offer is very good. If the ARU could take it I think they probably would.

      • Roar Rookie

        August 23rd 2017 @ 6:01pm
        ukkiwi said | August 23rd 2017 @ 6:01pm | ! Report

        Both

      • Roar Rookie

        August 23rd 2017 @ 6:01pm
        ukkiwi said | August 23rd 2017 @ 6:01pm | ! Report

        Both

      • August 23rd 2017 @ 6:06pm
        ozinsa said | August 23rd 2017 @ 6:06pm | ! Report

        I thought of precisely this. Sorry Twiggy we can’t accept your generous offer officially but if you give it a day or two the court will rule against us and we can go to SANZAAR and tell them we have no choice but to keep 5 but will take the reduced revenue hit.

      • August 24th 2017 @ 9:42am
        Jibba Jabba said | August 24th 2017 @ 9:42am | ! Report

        You are assuming the aru has some intellect – they are not that clever.. remember game rules – play whats in front of you.

    • August 23rd 2017 @ 12:29pm
      Scrumma said | August 23rd 2017 @ 12:29pm | ! Report

      You’re the man twiggy

    • Roar Guru

      August 23rd 2017 @ 12:34pm
      The Neutral View From Sweden said | August 23rd 2017 @ 12:34pm | ! Report

      Hate me for saying this, but merge the Brumbies into the Rebels (if legally possible). From a financial point of view, Brumbies in Canberra has by far the least potential of all OZ teams.

      Accept Twiggy’s 50 million (or maybe more, that was just the first offer), but ask him to head the ARU also (ideally as a working and active Chairman), to lead both a rebuild of OZ rugby and a future expansion into Asia. I am confident that Twiggy will recruit the right CEO to replace Pulver also.

      It is not an ideal solution, but it would hurt way fewer people and also put a real foundation in place to turn a corner and start working on making OZ rugby great again.

      • August 23rd 2017 @ 12:39pm
        Fionn said | August 23rd 2017 @ 12:39pm | ! Report

        I’ve said it once I’ve said it a thousand times, just cut the Brumbies before you merge us.

        Bakkies has said 1000 times that the ACTRU would never agree to have the Brumbies merge.

        • Roar Guru

          August 23rd 2017 @ 12:46pm
          The Neutral View From Sweden said | August 23rd 2017 @ 12:46pm | ! Report

          Noted.

          Well… All things considered, cut the Brumbies then.

          • August 23rd 2017 @ 1:01pm
            scottd said | August 23rd 2017 @ 1:01pm | ! Report

            No, cut the Rebels but put in place proper development pathways for VRU and a solid comittment to develop pathways including a home game in Melbourne from each other AUS SR franchise (ie 4 per yr) and NRC along with a guarantee that if/when they can go back to 5 that VRU is the only option considered.

            • August 23rd 2017 @ 1:27pm
              jameswm said | August 23rd 2017 @ 1:27pm | ! Report

              Yep – that was the logical thing all the way along. The Force have a much bigger place in the hearts of West Aussies do than the Rebeles do in the hearts of Victorians.

              • Roar Guru

                August 23rd 2017 @ 1:44pm
                Kashmir Pete said | August 23rd 2017 @ 1:44pm | ! Report

                and bigger junior numbers

        • August 23rd 2017 @ 2:42pm
          Cato said | August 23rd 2017 @ 2:42pm | ! Report

          Agree.
          Cut the Brumbies.

        • Roar Guru

          August 23rd 2017 @ 2:55pm
          Timbo (L) said | August 23rd 2017 @ 2:55pm | ! Report

          If you are volunteering, that would be great… 😉 solves a lot of problems.

      • August 23rd 2017 @ 1:10pm
        MitchO said | August 23rd 2017 @ 1:10pm | ! Report

        NV, I dislike me for saying this but the team to cut is Argentina based on travel schedule and geographic fit. That flight or the return match seems to kill everyone. Even good teams.

        But Argentina does have a bigger market than Perth or Melbourne and it is good for them and for world rugby to have some professional rugby played by them. Hence my dislike for myself.

        Sunwolves have a market and fit the timezone to Australia and NZ well. Don’t know what it is like to fly between Japan and SA.

        I don’t think they’ll cut the Argies so they need to fix that travel schedule.

        • Roar Guru

          August 23rd 2017 @ 1:23pm
          Machpants said | August 23rd 2017 @ 1:23pm | ! Report

          Yet Argentina have got worse since being in SR, not better. Maybe better for them too! They can join to Pro 14 😉

          • August 23rd 2017 @ 1:28pm
            MitchO said | August 23rd 2017 @ 1:28pm | ! Report

            Can Argentina join the Europe competition? What is the travel like?

          • August 23rd 2017 @ 1:29pm
            Ex force fan said | August 23rd 2017 @ 1:29pm | ! Report

            They have a veto and contrary to the ARU will use it to protect their team in Superugby. A merger or dropping the Sunwolves is a better option.

            • Roar Guru

              August 23rd 2017 @ 1:57pm
              The Neutral View From Sweden said | August 23rd 2017 @ 1:57pm | ! Report

              I said it before. Forget about the Sunwolves. Terrible for business. I think Twiggy gets that also. If Japan potentially gonna be the golden goose for Tasman rugby in the future, the World Cup 2019 needs to be a huge success.
              And World Rugby would be furious. Pretty sure Steve Tew would be furious also.

              It is no go.

              • August 23rd 2017 @ 7:04pm
                Gurudoright said | August 23rd 2017 @ 7:04pm | ! Report

                Twice getting 20 million viewers for Japan’s 2015 RWC matches was a good start

        • August 23rd 2017 @ 1:34pm
          Perthstayer said | August 23rd 2017 @ 1:34pm | ! Report

          Would Argentina willingly walk away if told they’d get a $20m golden handshake from Twiggy?

          • Roar Guru

            August 23rd 2017 @ 1:50pm
            The Neutral View From Sweden said | August 23rd 2017 @ 1:50pm | ! Report

            My first instinct was, this is rugby, men of honor, no golden handshakes here.
            Then it hit me, we are talking about Argentina. The homeland of the golden handshake. Anything is possible.

            In a weird way placing WF is the SA conference is not completely stupid. I think the WA’s would kind of like to play outside OZ. They would still play the OZ teams, but lesser derbies indeed, I think the actual derbies would be a big deal. Less is more.
            Probably good for the Wallabies to have teams in two conferences. Will give better selection options.

          • Roar Guru

            August 23rd 2017 @ 2:56pm
            Timbo (L) said | August 23rd 2017 @ 2:56pm | ! Report

            It as got to be better than the golden shower the EEARU gave the Force.

            • Roar Guru

              August 23rd 2017 @ 3:03pm
              The Neutral View From Sweden said | August 23rd 2017 @ 3:03pm | ! Report

              So it is Eastern East Australia Rugby Union” now?

              • Roar Guru

                August 23rd 2017 @ 5:18pm
                Timbo (L) said | August 23rd 2017 @ 5:18pm | ! Report

                Evil Eastern,
                Imagine a Bond Villain with a cat and a pinky finger as the figurehead.

              • Roar Guru

                August 23rd 2017 @ 5:37pm
                The Neutral View From Sweden said | August 23rd 2017 @ 5:37pm | ! Report

                Looking forward to several added “E’s” as this goes on…

                Egocentric
                Embarrassing
                Execrable
                Erroneous

              • August 23rd 2017 @ 6:42pm
                Council said | August 23rd 2017 @ 6:42pm | ! Report

                That it is my dear Swede. That it is.

        • Roar Pro

          August 23rd 2017 @ 1:39pm
          Crazy Horse said | August 23rd 2017 @ 1:39pm | ! Report

          The Jaguares are just the Pumas in another jersey. I’ve always said that the Argentine Test Team has no business being in a provincial competition. Then add on top of that the massive extra travel this one team brings to all other teams and yes, if anyone has to go it should be the Argies. They should never have been let in in the first place.

        • Roar Guru

          August 23rd 2017 @ 1:42pm
          The Neutral View From Sweden said | August 23rd 2017 @ 1:42pm | ! Report

          No disliking MitchO. I think you have many valid points actually. The travel is a complete disaster for almost all partners involved.

          The weird thing is that it is easier to travel between NZ and Argentina than it is between the Republic and Argentina. That nightly flight between Auckland and BA makes it a rather easy. I am sure Air New Zeeland makes sure they have First Class service for the boys on those flights because it makes a clear difference in performance. And that way Air New Zeeland can feel they are contributing to the AB’s legacy also.

          Cutting Jaguares? Hmm… Let’s keep an open mind to it. Not saying this is the right way to go, but tell the Argies that sorry, you gotta go. We understand that we mess things up for Los Pumas. So all other SR teams will take over your contracts, and that way all Argentina players can still play SR. Some of their stars will choose to go to Europe, but fine. The important thing is that Los Pumas will not suffer, but probably prosper ahead of the WC.

          Japan in OZ conference makes sense. Almost same time zone and direct flights from several OZ cities to Tokyo. I actually predict that Sunwolves will do rather good in the OZ conference next season. Their travel is gonna be so much easier than before. Add that they will play all home games in Tokyo. And they and JFRU have recruited excellent coaching personal to lead them.

        • August 23rd 2017 @ 3:53pm
          lassitude said | August 23rd 2017 @ 3:53pm | ! Report

          They actually need one more team – as was the plan before Los Pumas were supposed to be introduced to the Rugby Championship.

          But as usual the cart was put before the horse.

          • Roar Guru

            August 23rd 2017 @ 5:56pm
            The Neutral View From Sweden said | August 23rd 2017 @ 5:56pm | ! Report

            Another important lesson that must be learned. The odds for success in the SR expansion in Japan and Argentina had gained if both of had two teams from the start. I believe that local rivalry is important if you are in the business of developing Test players. With two teams, Japan could be on track for inclusion in The Rugby Championship. And Los Pumas would probably be stronger. And that would be good news for Sanzaar.
            Porters old writings about clusters are still spot on.

          • August 24th 2017 @ 12:54am
            Bakkies said | August 24th 2017 @ 12:54am | ! Report

            Argentina wouldn’t vote to eliminate themselves from Super Rugby and I doubt SA would to. Three reasons Argentina fought for so long to get in to tier one competitions and wanted to play in the southern competitions. The other is that SA advocated for their inclusion.

        • August 24th 2017 @ 10:42pm
          superba said | August 24th 2017 @ 10:42pm | ! Report

          MichO what you write is fair and logical.
          However culling the WF leaves 30 players 30 support staff and their wives and kids without.work
          And no income.
          My understanding.is that it is the responsibility of the IRB to grow the game internationally.Not that.of SANZAAR .
          So why should Aussies be put out of work ?
          Drop Japan and Argentina I say

      • August 23rd 2017 @ 1:27pm
        Ex force fan said | August 23rd 2017 @ 1:27pm | ! Report

        A 3 year temporary merger whilst maintaining a national footprint have problems but is preferable to losing $54 million of funding and losing 20% of your registered players. In 2020 a demergers can happen… Let’s hope the judge get is right and the arbitrator got it wrong.

      • Roar Rookie

        August 23rd 2017 @ 4:09pm
        moondoggie said | August 23rd 2017 @ 4:09pm | ! Report

        I don’t buy the argument against Canberra. You should focus on core markets before expanding. There are more then enough people in the canberra/southern nsw to financially sustain a team. It has been proven in the past when they play competitive rugby, the crowds will come (have a look at the raiders and giants in the last few years as an example). The problem is a poor competition and low standard of aus teams across the board which means the average sports fan is not engaged with the code in general. For that reason, NSW, QLD and ACT should never be in the conversation of contraction. If a team needs to go, the Rebels should be cut as the newest ‘expansion’ market.

        But this all ignores the biggest problems facing Australia, the player drain overseas. If you look at the talent that is playing offshore in the last 2-3 years,it pretty closely matches the decline in standard of Aus super rugby teams. The ARU and clubs need to do so much more to try and compete with the money being offered overseas.

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