UPDATE: Forrest to set up new comp for Western Force after Supreme Court appeal fails

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    Billionaire Western Force backer Andrew Forrest has said he will set up a rebel competition for the cut franchise to play in after RugbyWA’s Supreme Court appeal to stay in Super Rugby failed.

    Justice David Hammerschlag dismissed the Force’s appeal against the arbitration ruling last month which went in favour of the ARU, allowing the game’s governing body to cut the Perth-based franchise.

    The decision, which can be read in full here, centred around whether the Alliance Agreement between the ARU and Force came to an end when the SANZAAR broadcast rights were renegotiated in July to accommodate a 15-team Super Rugby competition.

    The Alliance Agreement had guaranteed the survival of the Force until the end of 2020.

    Much like Bernard Coles QC, who ruled the new broadcast agreement nullified the Alliance Agreement, Justice Hammerschlag ruled in favour of the ARU, noting that the governing body owns the franchise and “can do with it what it likes, even destroy it” if the alliance ends.

    However, the Force aren’t dead just yet, with mining magnate Forrest saying he would set up a new competition in the Indo-Pacific region for the Force to play in, likely to comprise six teams.

    “We will include strong and deeply powerful players, broadcasters and fans of rugby all across the Indo-Pacific region, where some 60 per cent of the world’s people live on our time-frame right here in Western Australia,” Forrest said.

    “Indo-Pacific is is a massive economy, broadcasters need huge populations and huge economies.

    “They are not represented in SANZAAR necessarily with New Zealand, South Africa and Australia dominating it. But if we get up into the Indo-Pacific region, that’s where all the world’s economic growth is, that’s where the world’s population is and that’s where the game of rugby will be very powerful and centred from Western Australia.”

    Forrest also stated he had already briefed lawyers for further appeals to the NSW Court of Appeal and High Court of Australia.

    The Force had responded to the decision with an earlier statement, unsurprisingly saying they were “disappointed” with the result of the appeal.

    “This now means the ARU have the ability to remove the Western Force from the Super Rugby competition,” the statement read.

    “Based on previous correspondence we are expecting the ARU to confirm the termination of the Western Force’s participation in the Super Rugby competition. We understand that the ARU intend to continue with the Perth Spirit in the National Rugby Championship.”

    RugbyWA also repeated their claim that the ARU had made the decision that the Force was the only team that could be cut back in February.

    “As we understand, the ARU had formed the view in February this year that the Western Force were the only team that could legally be removed from the competition, for the ARU to suggest there was an objective and transparent process, evaluating the merits of both the Western Force and Melbourne Rebels, was misleading and disrespectful to both RugbyWA and the Victorian Rugby Union.

    “This has caused significant damage to both the game and the Super Rugby competition and reflects poorly on the ARU’s own values of honesty and integrity.”

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    • September 5th 2017 @ 10:17am
      Chooks said | September 5th 2017 @ 10:17am | ! Report

      No point barking up this tree anymore. Pack up shop and find another comp to play in seems like our best bet.
      No hard feelings. We’re seceding anyhow :p

      • September 5th 2017 @ 10:24am
        Bakkies said | September 5th 2017 @ 10:24am | ! Report

        Problem is there is no alternate comp unless all the SA teams decide to leave and that can’t be done until 2020.

        The WA Government’s heavy hitters will be out soon when business opens in Perth in the next 35 minutes.

        • Roar Guru

          September 5th 2017 @ 10:26am
          Train Without A Station said | September 5th 2017 @ 10:26am | ! Report

          And that will likely be as successful…

          • September 5th 2017 @ 10:44am
            Bakkies said | September 5th 2017 @ 10:44am | ! Report

            You will be delighted if that is the case.

            When do you start your new job at the Rebels?

            • Roar Guru

              September 5th 2017 @ 10:57am
              Train Without A Station said | September 5th 2017 @ 10:57am | ! Report

              Yes I will be delighted when irrational arguments with no legal basis are not supported by the courts.

              • September 5th 2017 @ 5:22pm
                Bakkies said | September 5th 2017 @ 5:22pm | ! Report

                So you will be happy to see more lies come out of the ARU’s mouth like the BS that de Clyne spouted in his ‘press conference’

          • Roar Rookie

            September 5th 2017 @ 11:42am
            piru said | September 5th 2017 @ 11:42am | ! Report

            Well if a poorly spelt comment from someone we’ve never heard from says so

          • September 5th 2017 @ 12:05pm
            rock86 said | September 5th 2017 @ 12:05pm | ! Report

            Well TWAS it mightn’t succeed, however I doubt your mates at the ARU who are still there will either.

            Just heard another interview and it looks very likely a senate inquiry will be granted in the next day or 2 of sitting – it’ll surprise me if Clyne and his henchmen even stick around for that long.

            On top of that, it seems the WA government are adamant about suing the ARU about spending tax payer money under false pretences of the Force guaranteeing.

            The ARU cronies may have won this battle, still seems like they’re way off winning the war.

            They all, including the current board, need to do the right thing for Australian rugby and resign – a total clean out and fresh start is required.

            • Roar Guru

              September 5th 2017 @ 12:38pm
              Train Without A Station said | September 5th 2017 @ 12:38pm | ! Report

              And who says its very likely?

              Some of the same people who said it was very likely the Force would win?

              • Roar Guru

                September 6th 2017 @ 9:47pm
                Timbo (L) said | September 6th 2017 @ 9:47pm | ! Report

                The courts have ruled that the EARU own the Western force and have Legal Rights to drop them from the competition and, to quote the ruling, destroy them if they choose.

                This is logical, and in my view should have never been in dispute.
                But the flip side is that they bear any and all liability for organizations with contracts, agreements and arrangements effected by this decision.

                The legal precedent and implied liability has been established,
                Time to burn the owners of the Force to the ground, making them pay for their multiple breaches of contract.

                Not even you, TWAS will be able to straw man argue your way out of this one.

              • Roar Guru

                September 7th 2017 @ 8:35am
                Train Without A Station said | September 7th 2017 @ 8:35am | ! Report

                That depends.

                Does the ARU own what the liabilities are tied to?

                It’s entirely possible all rent, etc. is in another organisation/company name and the licence doesn’t itself actually mean anything in relation to the Force organisation (other than the right to play in Super Rugby).

                Much like the Alliance Agreement – without knowing details you can’t say anything for certain.

              • Roar Guru

                September 7th 2017 @ 8:36am
                Train Without A Station said | September 7th 2017 @ 8:36am | ! Report

                Since they have taken on all employee obligations, the only potential liability they have is the remaining time on any rental agreements.

              • Roar Guru

                September 7th 2017 @ 10:15am
                Timbo (L) said | September 7th 2017 @ 10:15am | ! Report

                They have taken on a handful of player contacts, and they have been very selective about it. Support staff and minor players are out in the cold, but since they are not contracted they have no liability.

                The WA government have stated that they believe that there is/was an agreement to use the stadium for the long term.

                The New “Cray Pot” in Belmont has been designed to convert to a “Square Stadium” for International Rugby games.

            • September 5th 2017 @ 1:12pm
              DLKN said | September 5th 2017 @ 1:12pm | ! Report

              Anyone who’s had any experience with Senate Inquiries knows that those inquiries are where issues go to die. It’s what politicians do when they want to be seen to be doing something, but just want to but something on the back-burner. Let’s have a Senate Inquiry! Or worse still, let’s refer it to a Parliamentary Committee!

              Don’t expect anything worthwhile to come out of it, and definitely don’t expect a legislative response to what is, at its legal heart, a commercial issue.

              • September 5th 2017 @ 3:41pm
                Brian said | September 5th 2017 @ 3:41pm | ! Report

                Very well said!

              • September 5th 2017 @ 5:24pm
                Bakkies said | September 5th 2017 @ 5:24pm | ! Report

                It will become a legal issue when the lies and dishonesty that the ARU have hidden from the public are exposed.

              • Roar Rookie

                September 5th 2017 @ 7:36pm
                Paul D said | September 5th 2017 @ 7:36pm | ! Report

                Bakkies, you do know that all witnesses called to a Senate Inquiry are granted Parliamentary Privilege.

                Even if there was something to uncover, nothing can be done about it.

                Senate Inquiries are a absolute waste of time in this instance. There is nothing to gain from it for Rugby WA. It won’t get the Force back into Super Rugby, it won’t punish the ARU. At most, you’ll get a public dressing down of the ARU and they’ll be asked to not do it again.

                Senate Inquiries are only useful in uncovering a need for a change in legislation or law to ensure something isn’t repeated. It is toothless in this instance.

              • September 6th 2017 @ 12:56am
                Bakkies said | September 6th 2017 @ 12:56am | ! Report

                How do you know that de Clyne will be called up as a ‘witness?’

              • September 6th 2017 @ 7:10am
                Paul D said | September 6th 2017 @ 7:10am | ! Report

                Because all people called to Senate Inquiries are witnesses. It’s not a court. You’re either a witness or a senator.

              • Roar Guru

                September 6th 2017 @ 9:20am
                Train Without A Station said | September 6th 2017 @ 9:20am | ! Report

                Paul let’s not get caught up in things like facts.

              • September 6th 2017 @ 10:26am
                Bakkies said | September 6th 2017 @ 10:26am | ! Report

                Go on TWAS believe in anything you call facts.

        • September 5th 2017 @ 10:42am
          RahRah said | September 5th 2017 @ 10:42am | ! Report

          That’s what the supposed 6 million per year will be for.

        • September 5th 2017 @ 12:56pm
          Cassandra said | September 5th 2017 @ 12:56pm | ! Report

          I think this is a great idea and I think the ARU should have been trying to arrange something like this as the SARU did for it’s excluded teams but the thing I struggle with is where are these teams going to come from? Pacific Islands – not known as the hub of a strong business model. NZ ITM Cup teams – surely the travel costs would be prohibitive. Japan may have the capacity for another team but I can’t think of anywhere else in Asia where the rugby is strong enough to remotely compete with Super Rugby.
          BTW, happened to notice that both the SA teams got flogged in the opening round of their European competitions. Maybe these comps aren’t that far behind Super Rugby?

        • September 5th 2017 @ 4:55pm
          Rex said | September 5th 2017 @ 4:55pm | ! Report

          WA Govt will more likely lose and be forced to pay costs to the ARU. Senate Inquiry will be a waste of time, it has the ARU shaking in their boots.

      • September 5th 2017 @ 11:45am
        Jake said | September 5th 2017 @ 11:45am | ! Report

        Seceding? Yeh good luck with that. You’d be even easier to invade than NZ.

        • September 5th 2017 @ 5:23pm
          Chooks said | September 5th 2017 @ 5:23pm | ! Report

          I doubt the East Coast would actually ‘invade’ the West if we did secede. They wouldn’t want to plunge the continent into civil war.
          Invasion is only in the minds of those whom are bitter of being stuck in the federation.

          • Roar Rookie

            September 5th 2017 @ 7:41pm
            Paul D said | September 5th 2017 @ 7:41pm | ! Report

            East coast wouldn’t, but those Indonesians to the North might.

        • Roar Rookie

          September 6th 2017 @ 10:58am
          piru said | September 6th 2017 @ 10:58am | ! Report

          Jake when was the last time someone invaded NZ?

          WA would be quite hard to invade, bordered by ocean on three sides and desert on the other.

          I’m confident we’d have you lot anyway if it came down to it

      • September 5th 2017 @ 1:40pm
        jimmyjames said | September 5th 2017 @ 1:40pm | ! Report

        Just going to throw it out there, but why doesn’t the Force look at joining the Currie Cup?

        The more I think about it the more it makes sense.

        Setting up a meaningful, high standard competition with quality players that will attract fans and broadcasters is extremely unlikely even if Twiggy is willing to write a blank cheque. On the other hand, the Currie Cup is an existing competition steeped in history and tradition (wouldn’t the NRC love some of that) that would attract interest from the South African diaspora in Perth.

        It gives RugbyWA the chance to say screw you to the ARU by removing the Perth Spirit from NRC. If Twiggy and RugbyWA are feeling especially vindictive, this is probably how they can cause the most trouble for the ARU by undermining the NRC. While the ARU would probably be happy to run a red line through the travel costs associated with having the Perth Spirit in the NRC, it would not be happy with the Force targeting the best unsigned players in the Sydney and Brisbane comps to play in the Currie Cup rather than fill up the NRC teams.

        I would not be surprised if SA Rugby was open to the idea. SA Rugby has previously included an Argentine team in the competition. It is also questionable how the Cheetahs and Kings (and the unions which comprise these teams) will compete in the Currie Cup and the Pro12(14) to the extent these competitions overlap.

        Anyway, just thought I would throw that grenade out there. Maybe it’s a dud or maybe, just maybe, it might go off with a bang!

        • September 5th 2017 @ 1:45pm
          RahRah said | September 5th 2017 @ 1:45pm | ! Report

          Not a bad thought JJ however if they really want to apply a boot to the nut sac, I think a team from Western Sydney would send the biggest message.

          • Roar Rookie

            September 6th 2017 @ 10:59am
            piru said | September 6th 2017 @ 10:59am | ! Report

            i like the idea, was also talk of the Mitre 10 cup, but it comes down to logistics I think

    • September 5th 2017 @ 10:17am
      Ben said | September 5th 2017 @ 10:17am | ! Report

      FUARU. Gutless.

    • Roar Guru

      September 5th 2017 @ 10:23am
      pformagg said | September 5th 2017 @ 10:23am | ! Report

      Time for the Force players to make plan “b” their plan “a”. NRL to swoop in asap and fill the rugby void.

      • September 5th 2017 @ 10:27am
        Bob Watson said | September 5th 2017 @ 10:27am | ! Report

        Would it take $50m to relocate the Titans?

      • September 5th 2017 @ 11:30am
        smatizio said | September 5th 2017 @ 11:30am | ! Report

        But we don’t want the NRL – we want Rugby Union. We want the Force.

        • Roar Rookie

          September 5th 2017 @ 12:03pm
          piru said | September 5th 2017 @ 12:03pm | ! Report

          Maybe we could buy the Rebels?

          They only cost $1

          • September 5th 2017 @ 1:49pm
            Worlds Biggest said | September 5th 2017 @ 1:49pm | ! Report

            In all seriousness, is that a legitimate option though. Could Twiggy buy the Rebels franchise and relocate them back to Perth ?

            • Roar Rookie

              September 5th 2017 @ 2:30pm
              piru said | September 5th 2017 @ 2:30pm | ! Report

              maybe change their name?

              haha, that would be classic

              But no, the VRU holds the licence now and won’t sell – this is why the Force were canned in the first place.

              • September 5th 2017 @ 3:16pm
                Rebellion said | September 5th 2017 @ 3:16pm | ! Report

                Hate to say I told you so..

              • Roar Rookie

                September 6th 2017 @ 10:34am
                piru said | September 6th 2017 @ 10:34am | ! Report

                No you don’t

    • September 5th 2017 @ 10:25am
      Bamboo said | September 5th 2017 @ 10:25am | ! Report

      But Twiggy Twiggy Twiggy Twiggy Twiggy Twiggy

      Is that not a valid argument?

    • Roar Guru

      September 5th 2017 @ 10:27am
      Train Without A Station said | September 5th 2017 @ 10:27am | ! Report

      For reference this is apparently what was in the Alliance Agreement:

      Term means the period commencing on the Commencement Date and ending on the expiry date of the last of the SANZAR Broadcast Agreements (being 31 December 2020) or, subject to clause 2.4, if the last of the SANZAR Broadcast Agreements is terminated or renegotiated earlier as a result of the renegotiation of the commercial terms of a broadcast arrangement, such earlier date.

      • September 5th 2017 @ 10:30am
        RahRah said | September 5th 2017 @ 10:30am | ! Report

        You must be very proud and happy this morning.

      • September 5th 2017 @ 10:31am
        Bamboo said | September 5th 2017 @ 10:31am | ! Report

        Thats pretty straight forwards if thats the case.

        • Roar Guru

          September 5th 2017 @ 10:33am
          Train Without A Station said | September 5th 2017 @ 10:33am | ! Report

          What is frustrating is the amount of people who had not seen this, but were adamant about what it supposedly said.

          • September 5th 2017 @ 10:40am
            Chooks said | September 5th 2017 @ 10:40am | ! Report

            Can’t blame us for hoping!

            • Roar Guru

              September 5th 2017 @ 10:51am
              Train Without A Station said | September 5th 2017 @ 10:51am | ! Report

              I’ve got no problem with hoping.

              Where my issues lie is stating complete speculation as fact.

              • September 5th 2017 @ 11:01am
                Ex force fan said | September 5th 2017 @ 11:01am | ! Report

                The clause seems to be drafted with the purpose to axe the Force.

              • Roar Guru

                September 5th 2017 @ 11:02am
                Train Without A Station said | September 5th 2017 @ 11:02am | ! Report

                Well why did their “brilliant” legal minds agree to it then?

              • Roar Rookie

                September 5th 2017 @ 11:16am
                piru said | September 5th 2017 @ 11:16am | ! Report

                Doesn’t it though?

              • Roar Guru

                September 5th 2017 @ 11:25am
                Train Without A Station said | September 5th 2017 @ 11:25am | ! Report

                Piru it seems to absolutely contemplate the scenario.

                But why did Rugby WA feel they had such a strong case?

                Why didn’t they oppose it before agreeing?

              • September 5th 2017 @ 1:33pm
                Dan in Devon said | September 5th 2017 @ 1:33pm | ! Report

                What were the legal arguments put forward by Rugby WA? Just because a term is in a contract does not make it a valid term. I would have thought the WA government might have a case for misrepresentation and could sue the ARU for all monies it’s has spent in regards to the Force?

              • September 5th 2017 @ 11:26am
                RUSerious said | September 5th 2017 @ 11:26am | ! Report

                Considering this whole process has been completely opaque what were people left to do but speculate?
                Finally there is something in the open – it now appears clear that the ARU signed the alliance agreement with the intention of shutting them down at the earliest possible opportunity ,while still taking the fans money in the meantime.

              • Roar Guru

                September 5th 2017 @ 11:34am
                Train Without A Station said | September 5th 2017 @ 11:34am | ! Report

                Rugby WA could have advised what the clause stated.

                They opted not to.

              • September 5th 2017 @ 11:40am
                RahRah said | September 5th 2017 @ 11:40am | ! Report

                Keep your parochial and self absorbed establishment NSW/QLD ruining the game in this country.
                We will have a new comp, small and minor it might be, but it will be a real “grass roots” structure.

              • Roar Pro

                September 5th 2017 @ 1:01pm
                Crazy Horse said | September 5th 2017 @ 1:01pm | ! Report

                “lie” being the operative word when it comes to the EARU.

          • September 5th 2017 @ 10:41am
            Bamboo said | September 5th 2017 @ 10:41am | ! Report

            I think through Twiggy they saw hope.

            It appears many worked their way backwards from a desired outcome, as opposed to drawing a conclusion based on the facts.

      • September 5th 2017 @ 10:45am
        Ben said | September 5th 2017 @ 10:45am | ! Report

        Very conveniently drafted for the backstabbers at the EARU.

        • Roar Guru

          September 5th 2017 @ 10:57am
          Train Without A Station said | September 5th 2017 @ 10:57am | ! Report

          And very inconveniently agreed to by the Force/RugbyWA.

          • September 5th 2017 @ 2:54pm
            Ben said | September 5th 2017 @ 2:54pm | ! Report

            “Today’s ruling is an enormous setback for Rugby in Western Australia and in RugbyWA’s legitimate and understandable fight to retain the Western Force’s place in Super Rugby,” RUPA President Ross Xenos said.

            “It is incredibly unfortunate that the future of professional Rugby in Western Australia is being dictated by the precised wording of an Alliance Agreement signed with the intention of strengthening and continuing the Western Force, not facilitating their premature ejection from Super Rugby.”

            • September 5th 2017 @ 4:35pm
              Bill Pulver said | September 5th 2017 @ 4:35pm | ! Report

              I read that last line as “premature ejaculation”

      • September 5th 2017 @ 11:17am
        Rex said | September 5th 2017 @ 11:17am | ! Report

        It shows u how hopeless Rugby WA legal team is why didn’t they check it against their earlier participation agreement with the wording? Its looks pretty black and white to me.

      • September 5th 2017 @ 12:28pm
        MitchO said | September 5th 2017 @ 12:28pm | ! Report

        Mate the Force legal bill was many hundreds of thousands of dollars. There had to be more to it than that but even so it seems several hundreds of thou more than necessary to read a contract and interview a few witnesses

        • Roar Guru

          September 5th 2017 @ 12:42pm
          Train Without A Station said | September 5th 2017 @ 12:42pm | ! Report

          Rugby WA’s case was based on this.

          WARU disputes that the Term of the Alliance Agreement has expired. It argues that where the definition of Term refers to the last of the SANZAR Broadcast Agreements being “renegotiated earlier”, and to the Term ending on “such earlier date”, this means a renegotiation which has the effect that the last of the SANZAR Broadcast Agreements expires on an earlier date than 31 December 2020. It argues that a renegotiation which leaves the period of the last of the SANZAR Broadcast Agreements unaffected, as occurred here, is not a renegotiation within the meaning of the provision.

          WARU’s principal contention before the arbitrator was that where the definition referred to “renegotiated earlier”, this meant renegotiated to end earlier. One can readily see the difficulty with this contention. It requires the words “to end” to be read in to the definition.

          To the contrary, in the arbitration, WARU agreed that the change to the SANZAR Broadcast Agreements was the result of renegotiation of the commercial terms of a broadcast arrangement within the meaning of the definition of Term in the Alliance Agreement.

          The arbitrator upheld ARU’s construction. He rejected WARU’s contention that “renegotiated earlier” actually means “renegotiated to end earlier”.

          • September 5th 2017 @ 5:46pm
            Dan in Devon said | September 5th 2017 @ 5:46pm | ! Report

            Thanks. Seems like rugby WA are asking the court to effectively rewrite the term which they would never do. Am surprised they took this line of argument. More so, when they appear to have conceded the initial point when in arbitration. Why were they given leave to appeal when their point of law was rather weak?

      • September 5th 2017 @ 2:24pm
        TPM said | September 5th 2017 @ 2:24pm | ! Report

        Admittedly, all for nought now, but … as with all legal contracts, you can’t arrive at a conclusive interpretation of a clause in isolation without the benefit of the entire document and wider contractual context. At the very least, what does clause 2.4 say?

        • September 5th 2017 @ 3:49pm
          Dave_S said | September 5th 2017 @ 3:49pm | ! Report

          True, but the other side of that coin is that if a clause has 2 possible meanings, one of which seems obvious and the other of which seems strained, you don’t usually adopt the strained meaning – it would almost have to amount to a drafting error and multilateral mistake as to what the parties actually intended. I haven’t read the full decision or the document but from TWAS’s extract above “WARU’s contention that “renegotiated earlier” actually means “renegotiated to end earlier”” seems pretty strained to me.

      • Roar Guru

        September 6th 2017 @ 9:56pm
        Timbo (L) said | September 6th 2017 @ 9:56pm | ! Report

        So here is the twist.

        If the EARU knew in advance that the SABZAAR/Broadcast contract was going to be renegotiated with a negative impact prior to the drafting of the contract of sale, this is a breach of trust making the contact worthless and void.

        With Stooke recused and the rest of the stooges keeping it tight lipped, this could be hard to argue.

        Wouldn’t the other 4 contracts have similar wording? If so, SANZAAR would have the power to axe any team they wanted.

        • Roar Guru

          September 7th 2017 @ 8:32am
          Train Without A Station said | September 7th 2017 @ 8:32am | ! Report

          Absolutely you’d imagine.

          If that was the case then yes.

          But it’s highly unlikely and contradicts all reported events.

          • Roar Guru

            September 7th 2017 @ 10:22am
            Timbo (L) said | September 7th 2017 @ 10:22am | ! Report

            Events reported by the ARU propaganda machine are sketchy at best.

            The ARU agreed/arranged with SANZAAR to Exit a team. The Force were the only team that they had the right to, so they knew all along.

            Foxtel would have known a long time in advance and would have begun negotiations long before announcement.

            Still want to know how the SARU were able to get the Kings and the Cheetahs to move on.
            What was written in their contracts? Who Owned the Franchises?

    • Roar Rookie

      September 5th 2017 @ 10:32am
      piru said | September 5th 2017 @ 10:32am | ! Report

      Well I suppose that’s it then

      Congrats ARU

      • Roar Guru

        September 5th 2017 @ 10:34am
        Train Without A Station said | September 5th 2017 @ 10:34am | ! Report

        I imagine they will not pursue action based on the signing of the agreement.

        But I imagine they either consider is less likely to be successful, or a much longer drawn out process if they have not followed that path yet.

      • September 5th 2017 @ 10:37am
        RahRah said | September 5th 2017 @ 10:37am | ! Report

        Be funny if the Perth win the NRC again, oh well.
        Well Piru at least we have the NFL starting soon, been watching pre season?

        • Roar Rookie

          September 5th 2017 @ 10:39am
          piru said | September 5th 2017 @ 10:39am | ! Report

          I expect they will have a good shot, but then what?

          Spirit won’t be competitive another season without Super Rugby in the state.

          You really can’t save people (or organisations) from themselves can you?

          • September 5th 2017 @ 11:03am
            Ex force fan said | September 5th 2017 @ 11:03am | ! Report

            Yes rugby in WA will go down the drain and all the WA born players will be lost to Australia. Incredibly dumb decision and show the lack of insights on how important the Force is to the survival of the game in WA. I will never support the ARU Wallabies again.

          • Roar Rookie

            September 5th 2017 @ 11:22am
            piru said | September 5th 2017 @ 11:22am | ! Report

            Sorry RahRah – haven’t seen much other than scores and highlights, but looking forward to opening day.

            Rugby could learn a lot about how to run a comp and hold an event from the NFL

            • September 5th 2017 @ 4:40pm
              Kelvin said | September 5th 2017 @ 4:40pm | ! Report

              Hay RuRu hawkes bay have a opening..

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