As more details emerge, Twiggy’s Indo Pacific Rugby Championship should be supported

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    Andrew Forrest has announced his plan for the much-hyped Indo-Pacific Rugby Championship, and things are looking promising.

    With only the initial plan announced, it’s hard to make a full analysis of what has been proposed with the lack of specific detail offered by Forrest.

    On face value alone, it seems a project that the ARU should try to help put in place and become involved in. There is going to be, according to Forrest, a six-team competition to be run at the completion of the Super Rugby season.

    Forrest has mentioned a number of different potential markets in the Indo-Pacific region – Australia, Singapore, Samoa, Fiji, South Korea, Japan, Hong Kong, China, Sri Lanka, and Malaysia.

    Some of these regions will overlap, meaning he can stick to the six-team format. For example, Singapore and Hong Kong could be part of a Chinese team which plays its home games out of all three countries. There is also scope for Sri Lanka and Malaysia to be involved in some way, while the potential for an Islander team between Fiji and Samoa also holds merit.

    After that, the details become a little murky. Until Forrest expands on the information about the IRPC, it’s difficult to say whether this sort of tournament will work or not.

    One of the key elements yet to be discussed by ‘Twiggy’ is exactly what he wants to happen to players produced by Rugby WA. Will they play in the National Rugby Championship for the Perth Spirit, or do they become part of the Western Australian side to take part in the IRPC?

    Richard Hardwick Perth Spirit NRC Rugby Union 2017

    (Photo by Paul Kane/Getty Images)

    Further to that, what is going to happen to those Wallabies players who have come out of the west? Under the offer they will remain eligible for the Wallabies, but will they be required to play in Forrest’s tournament as a priority? Or will they be allowed to play for the Wallabies in the second half of the year?

    These are questions which will be answered down the track, but there is plenty of promise in the initial plan announced by Forrest.

    On the face of it, the tournament has some merit. Asia is the next great market for the sport of rugby union. Japan is hosting the 2019 Rugby World Cup and also has a team in Super Rugby.

    China is also spending plenty on their rugby program and expanding exponentially, with plans to have more than ten million players in the next decade.

    Sri Lanka is another country which has a rich history in rugby, having played the sport for decades, while it remains a boom sport in the Pacific islands, where they want as many tournaments as possible. Put simply, Asia is a large development market for rugby.

    So, in the test of opening these new markets to rugby, Forrest’s competition ticks all the boxes.

    Should it get off the ground, the IRPC is only going to help Australian rugby by giving it a big presence in what’s going to be a huge market for rugby in the next couple of decades.

    Because of that, the ARU would do well to support Forrest’s plan, but at the same time they must ensure the integrity of the game across Australia is maintained.

    The proposal also appears to satisfy the frustrations of rugby fans in Western Australia who believe they haven’t got a fair go from the ARU. There will no doubt be plenty of support for the IPRC out west.

    Based on the details we have at this early stage, the rest of the Australian rugby community should support Forrest’s offer too.

    Spiro Zavos
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    Spiro Zavos, a founding writer on The Roar, was long time editorial writer on the Sydney Morning Herald, where he started a rugby column that has run for nearly 30 years. Spiro has written 12 books: fiction, biography, politics and histories of Australian, New Zealand, British and South African rugby. He is regarded as one of the foremost writers on rugby throughout the world.

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    • September 13th 2017 @ 1:33pm
      BennO said | September 13th 2017 @ 1:33pm | ! Report

      The inept management of the ARU aside, I don’t see how it could be at all beneficial for western force players to play in what will undoubtedly be a weak competition like this. They’d be hamstringing their own development.

      • Roar Rookie

        September 13th 2017 @ 1:41pm
        piru said | September 13th 2017 @ 1:41pm | ! Report

        The current western force players won’t be, at least not the wallabies.

        This is not a super rugby level comp – it was never intended that way I don’t think.

        • September 13th 2017 @ 1:56pm
          BennO said | September 13th 2017 @ 1:56pm | ! Report

          I’m sure you’re right, that it was never intended to be, but I don’t understand what the purpose of the competition is then.

          The main problem seemingly everyone agrees on is that super rugby (and the four nations to an extent) is too difficult to follow with multiple time zones and teams that have little to no grass-roots, “tribal” support. This sounds like it will be creating a competition that has these issues (and more) with lower quality rugby and limited opportunity for players to reach the national team (at least the Aust national team).

          I don’t get what it would even offer the fans in WA either. A sub-par competition, in terms of the quality of the rugby, run after the super rugby comp with several teams that sound like they’d be new to the game (Sri Lanka??). All created so the approx 30000 rugby fans in Perth can have a competition created especially for what will be a ghost of their current team. I don’t get it.

          • Roar Rookie

            September 13th 2017 @ 2:05pm
            piru said | September 13th 2017 @ 2:05pm | ! Report

            The purpose is to provide a pathway for the West Australian clubs who’ve had their link to Aussie rugby cut by the ARU. The real question to me is how it will tie in to the NRC and it looks like these options are being explored.

            From a WA point of view, it offers club players an opportunity to play at a higher level and an avenue to be noticed by Super teams.

            The time zone issue is continually brought up and it’s one I find curious as WA is already in an Asian timezone, it would seem less of a problem than Super rugby

            As far as tribal support, there is plenty of that in WA, that’s why there’s been such a kerfuffle

            • Roar Guru

              September 13th 2017 @ 2:08pm
              Train Without A Station said | September 13th 2017 @ 2:08pm | ! Report

              Will it provide more of a pathway than the NRC though?

              The biggest thing that stands out to me is it runs at the same time as the NRC. Are they intending to focus on this over the NRC?

              If they are looking to attract Super Rugby players, doesn’t it just take them out of the NRC?

              I’d rather it ran at the same time as Super Rugby personally. It’s not going to be a competitor, more a complementary competition where as it will be a competitor to the NRC given it’s similar standard.

              • September 13th 2017 @ 5:08pm
                Jock Cornet said | September 13th 2017 @ 5:08pm | ! Report

                The NRC is a nothing comp. More money wil be in twiggy a comp. NRC wil be dismantled in a year or two

            • September 13th 2017 @ 2:12pm
              BennO said | September 13th 2017 @ 2:12pm | ! Report

              I dig, but the tribal support in WA isn’t the issue I’m referring to, it’s the other teams. I can’t see the WA fans getting as excited about a game against Galle or Seoul as they would against a QLD or NSW team. And I can’t see the people of Galle or Seoul caring too deeply about this competition for a long time.

              I see now that it’s more comparable to the NRC anyway, but if there’s still a Perth based team in that competition, I still can’t see the point of this one, except to thumb the nose at the ARU. The NRC provides a pathway for the WA clubs, via Perth Spirit, no?

              • Roar Rookie

                September 13th 2017 @ 2:20pm
                piru said | September 13th 2017 @ 2:20pm | ! Report

                As I said that’s going to be the interesting part, how it ties in with NRC.

                As it stands I expect most NRC players with dreams of playing Super rugby to head east and the Spirit to slowly die.

                This is a bit of a game changer so hard to say exactly what might happen now

              • Roar Guru

                September 13th 2017 @ 2:25pm
                Train Without A Station said | September 13th 2017 @ 2:25pm | ! Report

                Why would an NRC player with dreams of a Super Rugby contract head East, unless they were signed to one?

                There’s only going to be so many players signed out of the NRC each year so it’s not like a team would be gutted each year, and if staying in Perth gets them NRC game time they are better off in their pursuit of a contract.

              • September 13th 2017 @ 4:55pm
                Ec force fan said | September 13th 2017 @ 4:55pm | ! Report

                TWAS, because we will revert to the pre-Force years when WA players did not even get a look in – just too far. Just looked how many WA woman players made the Walleroos side after they played for the first time in Sydney this year. Before that the ARU just picked the whole side just from players from NSW, QLD and ACT and ignoring WA despite WA having more registered woman players than NSW.

                There is a reason why WA only produce one Wallaby prior to the Force years and that player had to go East to get noticed.

              • September 13th 2017 @ 8:52pm
                Train Without A Station said | September 13th 2017 @ 8:52pm | ! Report

                Pre-Force years didn’t have an NRC to test players against the best.

              • September 13th 2017 @ 9:20pm
                Ex Force fan said | September 13th 2017 @ 9:20pm | ! Report

                The point is that the Spirit wouldn’t survive. The ARU gets it, that is why the cut the Spirit staff at the end of the season – you don’t. So back to the future for WA rugby and all the work we volunteers put in for over a decade is down the drain.

              • September 13th 2017 @ 9:30pm
                Train Without A Station said | September 13th 2017 @ 9:30pm | ! Report

                If Twiggy wants to they will.

                If it’s not a cost burden there is zero benefit of not having them.

                They have full control of the NRC.

          • September 13th 2017 @ 4:55pm
            Hugh_96 said | September 13th 2017 @ 4:55pm | ! Report

            Just for information Sri Lanka actually has a very long rugby history, due to British colonisation. I was listening a podcast with cricketer Kumar Sangakarra who explained his passion from school of rugby. I’m not saying it’s the next powerhouse but he has a lot players and supporters.

            • September 13th 2017 @ 5:13pm
              terry tavita said | September 13th 2017 @ 5:13pm | ! Report

              lots of kiwis and pac islanders playing club rugby in sri lanka..that country already has a semi-professional club rugby comp..

              • Roar Pro

                September 13th 2017 @ 9:12pm
                Andrew said | September 13th 2017 @ 9:12pm | ! Report

                Let’s not forget the greatest thing about Sri Lankan rugby – their presence in Jonah Lomu Rugby on Playstation – the pinnacle of both rugby and video games.

            • September 13th 2017 @ 8:57pm
              Train Without A Station said | September 13th 2017 @ 8:57pm | ! Report

              Who cares about their national team being successful to an extent.

              That’s not the purpose of this. They can import players if the money is there.

              And if Sri Lanka can generate broadcast revenue and ticket sales then it is certainly a viable location.

              I’ve heard of club finals attracting huge attendance there. I’m not sure if they are fans with the financial means to pay enough to sustain professionalism, but that actually is promising.

              • September 13th 2017 @ 9:47pm
                Terry Tavita said | September 13th 2017 @ 9:47pm | ! Report

                one way to find out..let’s go indo-pac championship!

              • September 15th 2017 @ 3:26am
                Babababoon said | September 15th 2017 @ 3:26am | ! Report

                They can’t. Sorry to be blunt

            • September 14th 2017 @ 1:07pm
              Don said | September 14th 2017 @ 1:07pm | ! Report

              I saw a lot of rugger in the Philippines too. Just needs some money and further encouragement. I was surprised they weren’t on the Twiggy’s list.

            • September 15th 2017 @ 3:25am
              Babababoon said | September 15th 2017 @ 3:25am | ! Report

              It doesn’t mean it’s good

            • September 15th 2017 @ 3:25am
              Babababoon said | September 15th 2017 @ 3:25am | ! Report

              It doesn’t mean it’s good

        • September 13th 2017 @ 2:02pm
          Bakkies said | September 13th 2017 @ 2:02pm | ! Report

          Exactly Piru and it’s important to get a competition going in case Super Rugby does break up. Young players in Perth need something to aim for an it appears that young players from there are already heading to Ireland to play Ulster Bank League club Rugby.

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            September 13th 2017 @ 7:16pm
            ols said | September 13th 2017 @ 7:16pm | ! Report

            The timing bothers me a bit.
            Shouldn’t the club players in Perth be playing the NRC with the aim of being selected for the Western Force IPRC side then to be selected for the Wallabies.
            So that they don’t have to head East to join a Super Rugby team to be able to get into the Wallabies?

      • Roar Rookie

        September 13th 2017 @ 2:01pm
        CS Knott said | September 13th 2017 @ 2:01pm | ! Report

        From what I understand (and the concept is still pretty vague mind you), it seems that the intention is Super Rugby players could be contracted for a few months to play the IPRC. So conceivably, I suppose, a current Force player could sign with one of the remaining Super franchises, and then return to the Force to play in the IPRC later in the year – players still get top tier rugby, Force still gets to continue as part of some sort of pathway.

      • September 13th 2017 @ 2:09pm
        Ex force fan said | September 13th 2017 @ 2:09pm | ! Report

        BennO, what is the alternative for WA?

        The ARU alternative is to let the Spirit will fall over, as without the Force playing Superugby all the better WA players will have to move interstate to get noticed. There will be no parthway in WA. What this competition can do is to stem the flow for a couple of years until the Rebels or Superugby fall over.

        It may attract enough interest to get players like Dan Carter, Matt Giteau to play in the competition at the end of their careers and become marquee players for teams in this region (e.g. like the IPL) but I agree that the competition will need about a decade and a lot of investment before it will become as is competitive as superugby. Hopefulle the IRR and ARU will get behind this and give it financial support as this will be good for World rugby.

        • Roar Guru

          September 13th 2017 @ 2:11pm
          Train Without A Station said | September 13th 2017 @ 2:11pm | ! Report

          without the Force playing Superugby all the better WA players will have to move interstate to get noticed.

          Nah, they’d get noticed playing NRC actually.

          They’d have to move interstate to fulfill a Super Rugby contract yes.

          There will be no parthway in WA.

          No. There’d be the NRC.

          What this competition can do is to stem the flow for a couple of years until the Rebels or Superugby fall over.

          Why can it do so more than the NRC?

          • September 13th 2017 @ 5:08pm
            Ec force fan said | September 13th 2017 @ 5:08pm | ! Report

            Absolute nonsense TWAS. The Spirit will not survive without the Force, they will loose key players that will be signed for Superugby and players that will move closer to the Superugby franchises and play club rugby over there in the hope that they will get noticed and used as injury cover. Junior players will also move to schools in the East to join pathways in these states. The quality of rugby in WA will rapidly decline to a point where it is unsustainable. This is what happened before the Force started and why WA produced so few top class players prior to the Force.

            I know you don’t understand how important the Force is to the survival of the game in WA or have any appreciation of how far WA is from the Superugby franchises. The Force fans, Twiggy and even the ARU understand this.

            • September 13th 2017 @ 8:58pm
              Train Without A Station said | September 13th 2017 @ 8:58pm | ! Report

              If Forrest wants to support the Spirit there’s nothing to stop them surviving.

        • September 13th 2017 @ 2:48pm
          BennO said | September 13th 2017 @ 2:48pm | ! Report

          But, the spirit is made up of players from all over the country (as are all the NRC teams). Of course the players who want to play super rugby will have to move east to play super rugby but there’s nothing to stop them playing for the spirit in the NRC, since the super rugby and NRC don’t overlap. I can’t see how this will offer a different pathway to the wallabies when it’s not replacing super rugby. It’s replacing, or overlapping with, the pathway to super rugby, in which Perth still has a team. How is there no pathway to super rugby now?

          Forrest seems to be trying to replace the lost super team with a rebel NRC comp, which has no capacity to replace what is lost. I get that the Perth Sprit in the NRC doesn’t replace what is lost, but why all this fuss for something that just effectively duplicates an existing WA presence in that competition?

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            September 13th 2017 @ 2:55pm
            piru said | September 13th 2017 @ 2:55pm | ! Report

            But, the spirit is made up of players from all over the country (as are all the NRC teams). Of course the players who want to play super rugby will have to move east to play super rugby but there’s nothing to stop them playing for the spirit in the NRC, since the super rugby and NRC don’t overlap.

            There are 3000 things stopping them, with no Force here there’s no local pathway to the Wallabies – who’s going to come 3000 kms west to make NRC money on the off chance?

            If the Spirit does kick on it’ll be Perth club players along with lower level Eastern guys rolling the dice on their last gasp.

            • Roar Guru

              September 13th 2017 @ 3:04pm
              Train Without A Station said | September 13th 2017 @ 3:04pm | ! Report

              The same types of players that have come 2,000kms South from Brisbane to Melbourne to play in the NRC (Josh Fenner and Emmanuel Meafou).

              • Roar Rookie

                September 13th 2017 @ 4:12pm
                piru said | September 13th 2017 @ 4:12pm | ! Report

                Yes, to Melbourne, where there is a Super rugby franchise (2 actually)

                We used to get the same, but without the Force no longer

              • Roar Guru

                September 13th 2017 @ 4:56pm
                Train Without A Station said | September 13th 2017 @ 4:56pm | ! Report

                You’re saying players wouldn’t travel for NRC money. They have.

                If they are willing to travel that far for an NRC contract, then I’m sure players will stay in Perth for the same.

              • Roar Rookie

                September 13th 2017 @ 5:56pm
                piru said | September 13th 2017 @ 5:56pm | ! Report

                They may stay in Perth, and best case scenario the super sides continue to include Perth in their scouting (of which I have my doubts) and make it worthwhile, which will keep guys here – but it’s not going to move eastern based players.

                But more likely we are seeing a return to the preforce days of if you want to be a wallaby, go play in the eastern states

              • September 13th 2017 @ 9:01pm
                Train Without A Station said | September 13th 2017 @ 9:01pm | ! Report

                So the Super sides would jus overlook stand out NRC players because they’re from Perth?

              • September 13th 2017 @ 9:27pm
                Ex Force fan said | September 13th 2017 @ 9:27pm | ! Report

                TWAS this is what they done prior to the Force and what even the Wallaroo coaches and selectors did until this year. People in the Eastern States cannot even think beyond the Nallobor and definitely will not travel that far. Clyne at last managed to get to WA last week and he flew business class in seat 1A.

                We told you from the beginning that professional rugby is dead in WA without a premium professional team. It is time that you start to listen, then you will also start to realize how incredibly dumb and shortsighted the decision was to axe the Force especially as it will not save much. The Force is the capstone that allowed rugby in WA to grow, without it rugby will collapse to a low quality amateur competition comparable to the other states without a Superugby franchise such as SA, NT, Tasmania and Christmas Island.

                If it was not for Forrest and the Force fans there are little hope for the game in WA.

              • September 13th 2017 @ 9:38pm
                Train Without A Station said | September 13th 2017 @ 9:38pm | ! Report

                Prior to the Force they were not competing against the best.

                In the NRC they are.

            • September 13th 2017 @ 3:12pm
              BennO said | September 13th 2017 @ 3:12pm | ! Report

              I get that there’s no local pathway to the wallabies without the force, that’s clear. But with this comp, there will still not be a local pathway to the wallabies. It doesn’t actually solve anything on that front so that’s not a relevant point at all in this conversation.

              And equally, why would anyone come 3000kms to play in a mickey mouse comp that may even affect their eligibility for the national team?

              I’d have thought he’d be better off pumping money into the Spirit to make it the best team to play for in the NRC thereby drawing players and keeping it a viable path to super rugby. Like the melbourne storm in a way.

              • Roar Rookie

                September 13th 2017 @ 4:36pm
                piru said | September 13th 2017 @ 4:36pm | ! Report

                It may well come down to that BennO, but maybe this is an additional carrot seeing as the Spirit will struggle to hold onto top players

            • September 13th 2017 @ 3:53pm
              Jimmy said | September 13th 2017 @ 3:53pm | ! Report

              There’s going to be no pathway to the wallabies with this rebel competition anyway.

              • September 13th 2017 @ 5:14pm
                Ec force fan said | September 13th 2017 @ 5:14pm | ! Report

                Unless the Rebels fail again which looks likely! This will only stem the flow and buy time for WA rugby.

          • September 13th 2017 @ 5:22pm
            Ec force fan said | September 13th 2017 @ 5:22pm | ! Report

            BennO, the Spirit will not play NRC in a couple of years as there is no reason for a player to move to WA as there is no Force franchise to play for. 3,000+ km is a long way to go just to see if you can make an NRC side. The ARU knows it and already threatened to drop the Spirit for the 2018 NRC also the two told all staff associated with the Spirit that the lost their jobs by the end of the NRC tournament.

            TWAS is diluted, this it is not a workable solution. Players should come to Perth to play in a serious competition that pays well. Let’s hope Twiggy’s IPRC will be that competition for the survival of WA rugby.

            • Roar Guru

              September 13th 2017 @ 5:40pm
              Train Without A Station said | September 13th 2017 @ 5:40pm | ! Report

              Nope. i’m definitely in my full strength form. No dilution in me.

              Players should travel to play in a serious competition that pays well absolutely. Unless Forrest intends to sink 9 figures into it, I don’t see that happening any time soon.

              You conveniently also omit that the ARU has told all Western Force staff associated with the Spirit, that their jobs will end after the NRC.

              • September 13th 2017 @ 9:41pm
                Ex Force fan said | September 13th 2017 @ 9:41pm | ! Report

                Wouldn’t it be nice to get you in a little less concentrated form? Deluded not diluted….bloody English!

              • September 13th 2017 @ 9:43pm
                Ex Force fan said | September 13th 2017 @ 9:43pm | ! Report

                The fact that the ARU cut the Spirit staff tells me that they have no intention to allow the Spirit to continue….

              • September 13th 2017 @ 10:06pm
                Train Without A Station said | September 13th 2017 @ 10:06pm | ! Report

                The ARU cut the Rebels staff.

                Nothing is stopping the Spirit from generating sponsorship income to support their own staff.

              • September 13th 2017 @ 10:07pm
                Train Without A Station said | September 13th 2017 @ 10:07pm | ! Report

                *Force staff

      • September 13th 2017 @ 4:07pm
        Jimmy said | September 13th 2017 @ 4:07pm | ! Report

        This competition is really holding on to the hope of sanzaar not renewing their contract. And if they do? Which is very possible between nz and sa especially, then what? Nzr may help the aru get back on track? Again..

    • September 13th 2017 @ 1:51pm
      hog said | September 13th 2017 @ 1:51pm | ! Report

      I think an interesting sideline to this is the role that the Wallabies will play in the future, they may fund the game here, but we’ve seen at what cost.

      What they have effectively done is taken Wallaby gold and turned it into a six pack and Pizza. Playing up to 16 tests a year has placed a negative strain on the supporter level, put simply playing the All Blacks three times a year does not benefit Australian rugby in the long run, regardless of results.

      It is pure speculation but when you look at Super rugby, the NRC and now this new competition, is there not the possibility of it all linking up somewhere to create a more balanced income strain.

      If this enables the Wallabies to go back to a more manageable say 11/12 teats a year would that not be a good thing.

      • Roar Guru

        September 13th 2017 @ 4:09pm
        sheek said | September 13th 2017 @ 4:09pm | ! Report

        Hog,

        This is not a new argument. The ARU needs to flog the Wallabies because no other part of the game is making money.

        I could add more but I realise I’m saying the same stuff I was saying one, 5, 10, 15 years ago.

    • September 13th 2017 @ 2:00pm
      Ex force fan said | September 13th 2017 @ 2:00pm | ! Report

      “The proposal also appears to satisfy the frustrations of rugby fans in Western Australia who believe they haven’t got a fair go from the ARU. There will no doubt be plenty of support for the IPRC out west”

      The ARU went out of their way to destroy professional rugby in WA and offered no plan B, first by cutting the funding to develop of young talent in WA, then by signing a agreement that were suppose to support rugby in WA but then use the agreement to cut the Force – and let us know so by the way that the Spirit will also be going soon. They did this all using a farce culling process – so your “feeling that we haven’t got a fair deal” is a “minor” understatement Spiros. There is still no understanding nor comprehension of the impact of cutting the Force on rugby in WA!

      The competition does not satisfy the frustration of rugby fans in WA as we still do not have a clear pathway for our children to have a professional career in rugby union without having to move thousand km from home. With the ridiculous low pay junior players are getting it means that parents have to fork out thousands of dollars to maintain their children in another city so that they can pursue a rugby career – provided they even get noticed.

      The IndoPacific competition provides significant benefits to Australia rugby and our neighbours, it provides an alternative for when the SANZAAR deal comes to an end, it improves the negotiation position of the ARU within SANZAAR, it helps to maintain and grow rugby union in WA (the state with the third most registered players in Australia that the ARU alienated). The ARU should have begged Twiggy to get involved, however Twiggy now has to ask the ARU to do what they should have done anyway – develop a Plan B for the Force just as SARU did for the the Kings and Cheetah. The ARU should not only get behind Twiggy they should help fund this competition and kiss Twiggy’s shoes that he came to the rescue!

      However based on the ARU short sightedness, their inability to let the sun shine anywhere else that the Eastern Seaboard I still expect Clyne, Pulver and Eales to get this wrong again and try to divert funding away from this competition to NSW, QLD, VIC and ACT. We need real leaders like Forrest in the ARU, not this incompetent lot.

      • September 13th 2017 @ 2:46pm
        Moz said | September 13th 2017 @ 2:46pm | ! Report

        Well put Ex force fan. It will be interesting to see how much the ARU actually get involved in this.

    • September 13th 2017 @ 2:22pm
      Misha said | September 13th 2017 @ 2:22pm | ! Report

      Its all a bit of a joke isn’t it?

      Can’t see anyone getting up to watch the Force play Singapore 1st XV or Borneo 1st XV..

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      September 13th 2017 @ 2:27pm
      Paul D said | September 13th 2017 @ 2:27pm | ! Report

      “Under the offer they will remain eligible for the Wallabies, but will they be required to play in Forrest’s tournament as a priority? Or will they be allowed to play for the Wallabies in the second half of the year”

      If it is a sanctioned competition, then I would expect IRB release regulations will apply for test windows.

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      September 13th 2017 @ 2:30pm
      piru said | September 13th 2017 @ 2:30pm | ! Report

      Given that Singapore is only an hour behind WA and Borneo shares the same timezone I don’t really see what the issue is

      • September 13th 2017 @ 2:44pm
        Moz said | September 13th 2017 @ 2:44pm | ! Report

        Sorry Piru, but Singapore is in the same timezone as Perth 🙂

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          September 13th 2017 @ 2:56pm
          piru said | September 13th 2017 @ 2:56pm | ! Report

          They’re GMT +7, we’re GMT +8?

          Anyway don’t be sorry, it makes my point more valid!

          • September 13th 2017 @ 3:02pm
            Moz said | September 13th 2017 @ 3:02pm | ! Report

            Ha! I live in Singapore and am from Perth. Just got off the phone with my mum, and she confirmed its also 1pm there (she wouldn’t lie to me to take the p***)! I’ll be down for the Spirit game on 2 October, so hoping the jetlag doesn’t kick in too much!

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              September 13th 2017 @ 4:15pm
              piru said | September 13th 2017 @ 4:15pm | ! Report

              I’ll bow to your knowledge Moz but now I’m confused

              • September 13th 2017 @ 4:43pm
                Moz said | September 13th 2017 @ 4:43pm | ! Report

                I’m going to print out that comment and show my wife (the first bit anyway).

                Singapore, Malaysia, Philippines, China are the same as Perth. Thailand and most of Indonesia are one hour behind (except Bali, which I think is basically a special territory of Perth…….). Japan and Korea are one hour ahead.

          • September 13th 2017 @ 3:22pm
            RahRah said | September 13th 2017 @ 3:22pm | ! Report

            Keep your powder dry until we know more Piru.
            All the usual suspects and gurus will be out telling us all why it’ll never work and that Forrest doesn’t know his “ar$e from a hole in the ground”. The usual suspects who extol the virtues of the status quo and who would deny any innovation or thinking outside the square. They’re like my neighbors Jack Russell, sitting around in the front yard licking their balls until someone walks past the front gate whereupon they leap to their feet and run to the gate yapping insanely until the “new face” has moved safely out of view.
            Let’s just wait and see.

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              September 13th 2017 @ 4:14pm
              piru said | September 13th 2017 @ 4:14pm | ! Report

              I don’t have any powder to keep dry mate, I don’t care if people know I’m optimistic and even enthusiastic about the potential.

              If they want to be negative and cynical good on them, but I see people trying something different and exciting with rugby and I’m all for it.

              • September 13th 2017 @ 4:48pm
                RahRah said | September 13th 2017 @ 4:48pm | ! Report

                Love your style.

              • September 13th 2017 @ 5:32pm
                Perthstayer said | September 13th 2017 @ 5:32pm | ! Report

                Piru – You are a zen master. Great job on this thread.

                Your karma like response is maintaining calm. Where little info is thrown to Roarers the result can get ugly.

              • September 13th 2017 @ 10:17pm
                rebel said | September 13th 2017 @ 10:17pm | ! Report

                Top comment Piru

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