Let’s relax the vitriol directed at the GWS Giants

By Mark Garroway / Roar Rookie

Anyone who has induced one iota of commentary from so-called experts or the regular punter regarding the GWS Giants over the past 3-5 years is sure to have a negative picture painted in their heads.

Unless you’re one of the club’s 20,944 members, it’s likely this picture encapsulates motifs not dissimilar to an orange and charcoal version of Frankenstein’s monster.

One created in the underground laboratories of AFL House, fed with number one draft picks, so detested by the public that the only way to fix the issue is to immediately ship them off Tasmania.

Frankly, this perception has become boring, which is bandied about at will like another highly insightful expert comment from Cameron Ling on a Friday night.

It’s important to note that I have been a Richmond Tigers supporter my whole life. I come from a Melbourne-based family of Tigers supporters and have lived in Sydney for nearly two decades and will be vehemently barracking for them on Saturday night.

Notwithstanding this, I am a foundation member of the GWS Giants. Growing up detesting the Swans and their one-sided crowds, the prospect of a second Sydney team resonated well with me, especially living in the west of the city.

The early life of the Giants and the Gold Coast Suns – the Giants’ rogue, troubled older brother – were both met with a dismissive, indifferent attitude from the public. How could they not be? Both teams began at the start of a full and long list build, and the slow start was literally watching boys versus men. The games were irrelevant at best with crowds that reflected this.

Even the most powerful AFL teams don’t draw great crowds when the losses are coming often. Take a look at the Sydney Swans, who after an 0-6 start to the 2017 AFL season had crowds dwindling by the week, to the point where perhaps overeager Giants fans were chiming in with snide comments regarding the diminished attendance for the Red and White.

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What also did not help was the introduction of the Western Sydney Wanderers into the A-League in the same year as the GWS Giants. A soccer team clearly generated a much greater interest in the west of Sydney than an AFL team in Blacktown Homebush.

Soccer is also much better equipped to generate a stronger list, in a shorter time, due to the worldwide player market and greater player movement, among many other factors. This was evident by the Wanderers winning the minor premiership in their first season.

Casually supporting the Giants in their early days was a grim task. Teams and fans viewed playing the two expansion clubs twice in a season as an advantage, pencilling in wins in November. Watching the Giants on TV resulted in lengthy analysis from the ever brief and concise Dermott Brereton and company, with words to the effect of ‘what the Giants need to/should have done there was…’ and ‘We can really see where these boys will be in three years’ time’.

Phrases such as these were stated quarter by quarter and play after play every game. Every game was an analysis of how bad and incomplete the football side was. I don’t recall the anti-GWS voices being very prominent back then.

At the tail end of each year, for both expansion clubs, predictions were made about a ‘Grande Exodus’ from the new arrivals. Stories were written about players wanting out, craving immediate success, not enjoying playing outside of Melbourne. Even to this day, GWS players out of contract are met with wild speculation as to which club they will go to, rather than if they will stay or not.

In the (quite regular) case of when these players re-sign with the Giants, articles from Melburnian news corporations frequently headline with “Melbourne Clubs miss out on Giants player”.

The assumed formality that a player will leave the Giants, and the speculation being rather on which club they will go to, is a wearisome annual tradition for Giants fans. To use the Western Sydney Wanderers as another example – at times, the early days of the Giants felt at times like an A-League club, who churn through players like a combine harvester in spring.

It’s hard to support a team with such a ferocious speculated and actual list turnaround each year, such as happened early in the Giants’ lifetime.

In 2015 I became a fully fledged GWS member. What an esteemed honour. I’m still a member in 2017, and the Giants would have to be the one of the best clubs to be a part of in terms of membership. The perks afforded to members for a whole variety of things, football related or other, are actually very commendable. You can get your money’s worth and not go to a single game.

In 2015, the Giants had their list shaped to a greater extent than their earlier years. They knew which players they wanted to keep, and gave them priority. Did this stop the annual speculation that players, contracted or not, would leave? Of course not. But the team had some identity now, some players to follow.

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I began to notice players such as Nick Haynes, whose marks are almost as glorious as his luscious locks, Nathan Wilson, who could hit a 5¢ coin with a Sherrin from 80 metres, and Rory Lobb, who takes marks as though he has trained for one thing in his life and one thing only.

Injuries derailed the 2015 season in a clash with Collingwood. A top eight spot was up for the taking given a win, however the Giants incurred a damaging loss, losing Shane Mumford, Stephen Coniglio, and Phil Davis, three crucial players, for lengthy stints, which ultimately ended their season.

2016 was the year where the cogs fell into place. The Giants were winning games and winning with flair. 2016 was also the peak of the criticisms of the origin of the club, and the gifts they had received from the AFL.

As they progressed into the finals for the first time, and booked themselves a date with the Western Bulldogs in ‘that’ preliminary final, the criticism was at fever pitch. How could a club, only in their fifth year, dare to try and win the competition when there are so many more deserving clubs? How dare they?

We saw on that evening at Homebush, on the Bulldogs’ banner, the attitude held by a large portion of fans.

I’m not going to deny the benefits GWS had, that would be hard work. But I will say, cast an eye north to the Gold Coast, which can only be described as a red and yellow football-sized car crash, and realise that without these gifts, things would be so much worse.

Without these benefits, player retention would have been so severe I doubt 22 players would have remained after 3-4 seasons at the Giants. The players knew that if they stuck together, the success would come. The high amount of top draft picks acted like a glue for players, which reassured the talented youngsters that they were in good company, along with the experienced recruits.

Imagine if the Giants could only have chosen one or two of the following players they received in the 2011 national draft.

1. Jonathon Patton (Pick 1)
2. Stephen Coniglio (Pick 2)
3. Dom Tyson (Pick 3)
4. Will Hoskin-Elliott (Pick 4)
5. Matt Buntine (Pick 5)
6. Nick Haynes (Pick 7)
7. Adam Tomlinson (Pick 9)
8. Toby Greene (Pick 11)

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Six of these top draft picks make up the core of the Giants line-up, with Dom Tyson and Will Hoskin-Elliott obviously traded to bring in additional players and draft picks.

One only has to look at the Brisbane Lions to know that without a firm belief in the club’s short-term future, top selections will have no issues relocating. The mass exodus from the Lions in 2013 is a clear indicator of this, which happened at a well-established club. I can only imagine the exodus from a club with no history and a limited fan-base such as the Giants, should they have not had the benefits from the AFL.

The criticisms surrounding the Suns over the last six months trumpet the incoming doomsday. They call for the team to move to Tasmania, such are their woes.

I often wonder if the perception of the Giants would be any different if their 2016 finals campaign unfolded a little differently

This is delving into the region of the hypothetical, but imagine for a second the Giants met Hawthorn in week two of the finals, instead of the Bulldogs. The new kids on the block knocking down the club everyone was sick of winning the competition.

Then following this win, the Giants played Geelong (impossible hypothetical, I know), and Sydney in the last two weeks. Three clubs that had had sustained success over a long period of time, falling over against the Giants, a young squad with an air of arrogance about them on occasion.

People were ready for a change and if the Giants had delivered this change, against the big bad wolves of the league, the perception would be at least moderately different.

But hypotheticals aren’t used to build cities and the Giants played the Bulldogs in the greatest good versus evil clash since Lord of the Rings. And everybody knows what happened next.

Fast forward to 2017, and every victory is met with loud cries on social media of ‘GWS: The team the AFL built, that nobody supports and nobody likes’. Personalities regularly take pot shots at the league’s newest club.

Following their record low finals crowd in week two of the finals, Tegan Higginbotham stated on the multi-award winning (I assume) show Bounce that red chairs were the only witnesses to the Giants win. Leigh Matthews said something very similar on game day, ridiculing the support of the club.

The last time I read Sliding Doors, the greatest collection of weekly dribble on the AFL website, was just before the Giants’ 100th game versus Sydney in 2016. The crowd had nearly sold out. What should have been an event met with excitement was instead attacked with cynicism by Damian Barrett where he stated the Giants should send a thank-you card to the Swans for selling out their first game.

Roy Masters of the Sydney Morning Herald even stated the Giants should be renamed to the Grants. Wow.

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How is a club ever supposed to be accepted as a part of the league when alleged journalists, personalities, and even Leigh Matthews, who is regarded as one of the most important voices in the history of the game, so frequently take pot shots at the existence of the GWS Giants?

One of the main reasons I follow the Giants is that we may never see a team like this again. The two expansion clubs were blank canvases. The list managers didn’t have to deal with the problematic past drafts or faulty trade deals gone wrong like the other 16 clubs. Where Gold Coast threw up all over their unpainted masterpiece, the Giants have created one of the most exciting teams, perhaps ever.

How can this not be celebrated. How can the media not be actively encouraging these two teams instead of ripping their popularity apart at every chance? Heaven forbid people get encouraged to attend games on the back of this, and the game grows as a result of the two expansion clubs.

From my attendance at numerous Giants games over the past three years, crowds are on the up. Crowds regularly reaching the vicinity of 12,000-15,000, instead of between 5,000-8,000 as it was in years gone. Unfortunately, this rightfully gets lost in translation when the ground is barely half-full for a semi-final against West Coast (ignoring the fact the Parramatta Eels were playing a final literally across the road simultaneously).

The Giants now face a task harder than perhaps ever seen in football. It will seem that the world is up against them on Saturday night. If they win, they’ll get slammed by the media for their AFL handouts, and if they lose they will no doubt get slammed for not winning, considering the benefits they have received.

Imagine where they would be if they did not have the helping hand they received, and what city the media – social and AFL-accredited – would be suggesting the GWS Giants be relocated to due to their lack of success.

The Crowd Says:

2018-02-16T06:08:28+00:00

Scot

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2017-09-25T01:17:34+00:00

republican

Guest


......in NSW but NOT Western Sydney Mickyo while many of those NWS supporters are likely to be in the footy heartlands i.e. the Riverina and of course the ACT..........

2017-09-24T05:02:27+00:00

republican

Guest


.......I can't bring myself to celebrate this contrived plastic approach to growth, especially because to do so is to be abjectly dismissive of any criteria of merit. My footy heartland and others like ours, should never sanction this sort of commercial bastardisation in the name of expansion..........

2017-09-24T05:01:56+00:00

Josh

Guest


Oh look a Giants member who holds a membership of another club. Feel free to tell everyone how many genuine 1 team only fans the Giants have.

AUTHOR

2017-09-24T01:51:33+00:00

Mark Garroway

Roar Rookie


Are you saying GWS should be relocated to Bangladesh?

2017-09-23T22:13:01+00:00

Patricia

Guest


Okay. Here's a few reasons as to why the Giants have been on the receiving end of so much enmity, much more than their counterparts the Suns who were started in a similar manner, with generous financial support and a raft of first round draft picks. GWS actually targeted the best young talent from smaller clubs. For example, Callan Ward and Phil Davis, making them offers the already pillaged Bulldogs and Adelaide (they lost Harbrow and a Nathan Bock year earlier) could not hope to match. While this was an AFL endorsed policy, the repercussions did not sit well with fans of these clubs who saw their future stars disappear. Secondly, their players attitude. They have an arrogance about them that belies their achievements. Denis Pagan, a respected former premiership coach, described it best. "GWS appear arrogant to me - they haven't fired a shot in AFL football, they argue constantly among themselves, with the opposition and frequently dispute the umpire's decisions," Certainly from my perspective some GWS players appear to strut around as though they have won three premierships. Some think taking cheap shots at players after they have delivered the ball makes them a “hard team”. Toby Green’s and Steve Johnson’s are prime exponents of this. Both supremely talented footballers who have/had no reason to resort to such behaviour. Ironically, when it gets really tough, it’s the poached players Callan Ward and Phil Davis who stand out. Thirdly, the defensive attitude for their supporter group who, when faced with any criticism about how the club was given too many generous concessions, constantly reference how hard it was suffering big losses in those three early years. Sure that is tough but not as not seeing your players miss or lose finals for twenty or even thirty years and then watching your best young players poached by stronger clubs. In response to another article about GWS on this website, I wanted to do just what you are suggesting, relax the vitriol and take a more balanced view. I tried to be honest but gracious. I pointed out that as a Dogs supporter why I hadn’t liked it when their club targeted our best players for trade but acknowledged why they had to do it. I stated I admired their team’s style of football when they focused on the ball and not the man and that I wished them every success. The churlish responses I received from their supporters were disappointing but not unexpected. e.g. Your team injured Callan Ward in the prelim last year and it delivered you a premiership. So here’s what I suggest. That instead of appealing for everyone to go easy on you, your supporters just acknowledge the best team won in both preliminary finals you lost. Don’t whinge about how “umpiring decisions robbed us in the third quarter” or ‘how we would have won if, Stevie J was there, or if Callan Ward wasn’t injured”. And that your team respect their opposition and play hard but fair football to complement your marvellous free flowing running style. Then you will win the respect of most opposition supporters (we all have a few one-eyed renegades) and probably a premiership.

2017-09-23T10:08:45+00:00

mickyo

Guest


No, it was 14, 874 i think

2017-09-23T10:04:55+00:00

MountFolk

Guest


I'd say, good riddance, now get out of western sydney, but the second bit would be a bit redundant.

2017-09-23T10:03:43+00:00

Not so super

Guest


You honestly believe that 14k people went to their game last week?

2017-09-23T09:44:07+00:00

mickyo

Guest


44 pet memberships, which are not counted in official AFL tally which was about 21k' ATM the biggest area for GWS memberships is actually Blacktown with around 1,000 members, followed by the Hills with 850 and then Parramatta 550. Out of 21,000 members 14,400 are in NSW and 4,250 are in Canberra.

2017-09-23T09:33:36+00:00

Not so super

Guest


They don't have 20k real members. Half would be pets or puchased from a Bangladeshi click farm If their form drops their crowds will be 4K and that will be counting legs not bottoms on seats

AUTHOR

2017-09-23T03:44:16+00:00

Mark Garroway

Roar Rookie


Agreed! Sick of these blowout finals.

AUTHOR

2017-09-23T03:38:01+00:00

Mark Garroway

Roar Rookie


Crowds still very respectable, but definitely below what they would have been if say, they went 6-0. Once they started winning it was back to a typical swans level, it was only a short time where the interest waned. Perhaps not the greatest example, we saw it also with hawthorn this year and fremantle last year. A small point on an article relating to what would have likely happened to GWS crowds assuming a lack of success Here's hoping today is a great game!

AUTHOR

2017-09-23T03:34:15+00:00

Mark Garroway

Roar Rookie


Thanks! Hope it's a great game

2017-09-23T00:25:52+00:00

Pat Clarey

Guest


I'm a 20 year Swans member and have been a Giants member for 3 of the past 4 years. I don't buy into the made up rivalry, the Swans will always be my No. 1 team but gee I have enjoyed watching the Giants develop. During 2013 I attended many games, at then Skoda Stadium, my friend and I could see how these young boys would develop into men, therefore their stamina increases and they just read the play better, it has been remarkable. I love going to games at Spotless, the food and drinks are so much cheaper than the SCG and better options. The kids get to do kick to kick at the end of the game and it is a wonderful atmosphere. I don't have kids or grandkids but GWS do the family thing so well. It is a well run club but how good it would be without the funding from the AFL we can only imagine. I totally agree with you about value for money with GWS membership, it is excellent! I'm not sure how long Sydney can support 2 teams but I will continue to support both of my teams. Queensland certainly can't, it is a different scenario up there though, you need your teams to start winning, I think the Lions are better placed for this. So today I'm torn between the Tigers and Giants. I am a rugby league convert, a Balmain Tigers tragic, now part of West Tigers. In 1969 both Richmond and Balmain won their respective grannies. I followed Richmond until the Swans moved up here and I've always had a soft spot for them. The Tiger Army have been long suffering but it would be great to see the Giants in the grannie, a big task, I just hope it isn't a shellacking either way.

2017-09-22T23:22:34+00:00

Mattyb

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All clubs supporters drop off somewhat when their clubs slide down the ladder so I don't understand why anyone would single out the Swans in this area. Brisbanes fans seem to drop off but most Victorian clubs also. Hawthorn are renowned for this and their last drop off almost caused the club to need to merge. WAs a footy loving state but the Dockers crowds drop off to a huge extent when the wins stop coming,as is the case with Port in Adelaide,remember the tarps.Carltons lack of recent success now sees them with only a couple of thousand more members than the Bulldogs and only around 6 thousand more than clubs like North and StKilda,while sinking to below 25k of the clubs they used to compete with while winning.

2017-09-22T23:17:41+00:00

Tony

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The Giants' crowds are now equal to Sydney NRL & A-league. But they have one advantage that no other sporting team in Sydney has - being able to play in front of 95,000+ people. Even if most of them will be barracking for Richmond!

2017-09-22T22:44:14+00:00

Angela

Guest


No, the crowds didn't dwindle at Swans matches, good numbers rolled up even when they kept losing. Much as everyone likes to denigrate their supporters, Swans have a huge faithful following in Sydney but they've been there for 30 years so one would hope they would. I'm sorry you hate the Swans, Mark. They are a great club who survived those early years when it seemed everyone in Sydney (and elsewhere) made fun of them and no one turned up to watch them play. There is room for two clubs in Sydney and most Swans fans welcome a second club. I agree with you that the slagging off of GWS (mostly by Victorians who bang on endlessly about their 150 year old clubs with all their traditions etc) is totally painful but I guess it is something a new club has to learn to handle. The lopsided game today at the MCG where Richmond (1000 GWS supporters to 95,000 Richmond supporters) plus the continued denigration of GWS and probably an umpiring advantage as well, means the bloody 'fairy-tale' everyone keeps referring to will be, in my books, a GWS win. I hope they GWS nails it. And I think most of Sydney including Swans supporters is hoping for the same result.

2017-09-22T21:11:06+00:00

Christo the Daddyo

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"Take a look at the Sydney Swans, who after an 0-6 start to the 2017 AFL season had crowds dwindling by the week" No they didn't.

2017-09-22T17:31:25+00:00

New York Hawk

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Great article! I couldn't agree more with everything you said except for vehemently supporting Richmond!

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