The Wallabies are making Eddie Jones nervous

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    I wish I had a solid connection to Eddie Jones, England’s coach. I don’t, but I have the next best thing – a friend of a friend.

    Regarding our clash with England, November 19 at Twickenham, my mate says that Eddie isn’t worried about our forwards partly because we’re lacking a back three and a prop that’s world class. But he does fear our backs.

    It’s Eddie’s thinking, so I’m told, that if Will Genia’s in form, and Bernard Foley distributes well, then the best outside combo of Karmichael Hunt, Kurtley Beale, Tevita Kuridrani, Samu Kerevi, Reece Hodge, Israel Folau, Marika Koroibete is a threat that will have to be thwarted.

    Hence, Eddie’s revised his statement that he wouldn’t be picking any of the Lions players for the November internationals. As you can see from the squad he’s just announced, he’s going to rely on a defensive midfield and a fast back-row to nullify the Wallaby attack.

    Will his plan be successful? Probably. At any rate, with a pack like the one Eddie can put on the field, it’s a sure bet that he’s getting more sleep at night than Michael Cheika is.

    England’s 33-man training squad
    Forwards Dan Cole (Leicester Tigers), Tom Curry (Sale Sharks), Tom Dunn (Bath), Charlie Ewels (Bath), Ellis Genge (Leicester Tigers), Jamie George (Saracens), Dylan Hartley (Northampton Saints), Nathan Hughes (Wasps), Nick Isiekwe (Saracens), Maro Itoje (Saracens), Joe Launchbury (Wasps), Courtney Lawes (Northampton Saints), Joe Marler (Harlequins), Chris Robshaw (Harlequins), Sam Underhill (Bath), Harry Williams (Exeter Chiefs), Billy Vunipola (Saracens), Mako Vunipola (Saracens)

    Backs Mike Brown (Harlequins), Danny Care (Harlequins), Elliot Daly (Wasps), Owen Farrell (Saracens), George Ford (Leicester Tigers), Piers Francis (Northampton Saints), Alex Lozowski (Saracens), Jonny May (Leicester Tigers), Jack Nowell (Exeter Chiefs), Henry Slade (Exeter Chiefs), Marcus Smith (Harlequins), Ben Te’o (Worcester Warriors), Anthony Watson (Bath Rugby), Marland Yarde (Harlequins), Ben Youngs (Leicester Tigers)

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    • September 24th 2017 @ 6:43am
      Taylorman said | September 24th 2017 @ 6:43am | ! Report

      Match of the year of those left for me. Cheika will have one eye on that one even going into the remaining RC matches.

      He knows the NH scene and he knows he beat them there with interest last time they played.

      Add in the Jones element and this match becomes the jewel of the Autumn internationals.

      • September 24th 2017 @ 8:47am
        FunBus said | September 24th 2017 @ 8:47am | ! Report

        ‘He knows he beat them there with interest the last time they played.’

        The last time they played at Twickenham England won 37-21.

        • September 24th 2017 @ 9:01am
          Taylorman said | September 24th 2017 @ 9:01am | ! Report

          Oh true, forgot that one, dont follow them closely enough obviously. Even more reason to win then… Dont think they will though, the English pack and the two 10’s will tie oz down like a boxer holding a smaller one at arms length without needing to really do anything.

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            September 24th 2017 @ 10:05am
            The Neutral View From Sweden said | September 24th 2017 @ 10:05am | ! Report

            dont follow them closely enough obviously

            And yet you have so much to say about them…

            • September 24th 2017 @ 11:38am
              Akari said | September 24th 2017 @ 11:38am | ! Report

              We all have a lot to say about England rugby, Neutral, even if we know bugger all about them. Just saying …

              As Tman says, Eddie’s England vs Cheika WBs is the jewel of the Autumn internationals. Ireland and Wales might disagree but the return bout is going to be the pointer as to whether Cheika’s tenure must continue or end abruptly IMO.

              • Roar Guru

                September 24th 2017 @ 12:31pm
                The Neutral View From Sweden said | September 24th 2017 @ 12:31pm | ! Report

                Bit of a difference to look forward to a Test than burping out nonsense – and plain wrong – stats and arrogant comments about English rugby.

              • September 24th 2017 @ 1:33pm
                Taylorman said | September 24th 2017 @ 1:33pm | ! Report

                I forgot one result. Have you never done that? What an egg.

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                September 24th 2017 @ 1:53pm
                The Neutral View From Sweden said | September 24th 2017 @ 1:53pm | ! Report

                Well, it was not exactly the first time you were burping fantasy stats about English or NH rugby. It is more like a neverending story here at The Roar.

              • September 25th 2017 @ 8:07am
                Clifto said | September 25th 2017 @ 8:07am | ! Report

                You like this “burping” word don’t you

              • September 25th 2017 @ 8:21am
                Jacko said | September 25th 2017 @ 8:21am | ! Report

                Attack the Man eh Neutral???? Or are you just telling him to read tyhe article?

              • September 25th 2017 @ 11:24am
                Andy said | September 25th 2017 @ 11:24am | ! Report

                You can’t argue with neutral he knows everything and his opinion counts for more than anyone else’s because he’s so neutral.

            • September 24th 2017 @ 1:31pm
              Taylorman said | September 24th 2017 @ 1:31pm | ! Report

              Know more about oz and English rugby than youll every know newby.

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                September 24th 2017 @ 1:48pm
                The Neutral View From Sweden said | September 24th 2017 @ 1:48pm | ! Report

                In your dreams T-man. In your dreams.

              • September 24th 2017 @ 3:09pm
                Taylorman said | September 24th 2017 @ 3:09pm | ! Report

                no swede, in my blood, where your rugby is in the search engines of the world. Mostly the financial ones. Hilarious.

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                September 24th 2017 @ 3:33pm
                The Neutral View From Sweden said | September 24th 2017 @ 3:33pm | ! Report

                In your blood? Yeah right…
                You are a proven liar, you are arrogant, you don’t own your mistakes (and you never learn from them), you are unable to apologize, you have severe problems to give any kind of respect to any player or team from the NH. I could go on…
                I say all these flagrant flaws proves that you there is no rugby pumping in your veins.

                It is funny, the AB’s – both on and off the field – gives anyone an almost perfect blueprint what the core values of rugby are and how to treat other people (friends and foes and everything in between), but you – who love the AB’s so much – totally miss that.

              • September 28th 2017 @ 11:18am
                Nigel said | September 28th 2017 @ 11:18am | ! Report

                This is not your private forum for tossing around insults, let’s talk rugby chaps!!

              • September 24th 2017 @ 4:07pm
                Fionn said | September 24th 2017 @ 4:07pm | ! Report

                In your blood?

                Good grief.

              • September 24th 2017 @ 4:35pm
                Taylorman said | September 24th 2017 @ 4:35pm | ! Report

                Ha ha swede, taking you on these little journeys is just too easy. Better stop now…the noveltys fading…

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                September 24th 2017 @ 4:54pm
                The Neutral View From Sweden said | September 24th 2017 @ 4:54pm | ! Report

                Your laughter echoes just as false as most things you have written on this thread.

              • September 24th 2017 @ 6:29pm
                Ken Catchpole's Other Leg said | September 24th 2017 @ 6:29pm | ! Report

                Tman. ‘Swede’? Reference to your verbal opponent by his nationality as a means of denigration smacks of bigotry. Obviously you are referring to his nation’s lack of a rugby culture.
                Would you like to be referred to as ‘Kiwi’ as a means of disparaging your opinion on something your country has little of?

              • September 24th 2017 @ 6:40pm
                Taylorman said | September 24th 2017 @ 6:40pm | ! Report

                No other leg, swede is just shorter than the ten or so words he has as his moniker. Simple as that. Think youre reading too much into it old chap.?

              • September 24th 2017 @ 6:44pm
                Fionn said | September 24th 2017 @ 6:44pm | ! Report

                Not really, Taylorman, given that you above wrote you knew more about rugby because it was ‘in my blood’.

              • September 24th 2017 @ 6:51pm
                Taylorman said | September 24th 2017 @ 6:51pm | ! Report

                That was because at least I played it. The swede never has, has said so often.

                So how a non rugby playing, non coaching, and non attending person from a country that hardly plays it, who lives somewhere in South east Asia, who oddly enough also hardly play it, can think himself a rugby expert to the level that he posts on this site is beyond me.

                Not saying he shouldnt, just dont get why he does.

                Can you explain that Fionn?

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                September 24th 2017 @ 7:30pm
                The Neutral View From Sweden said | September 24th 2017 @ 7:30pm | ! Report

                Yes, you played rugby – at least that is what you claim – but what is the big deal with that? All Kiwis I know have thrown the pill around at some stage in their life, but that hardly makes the experts.

                I also played some rugby in junior high, but it is of no importance, hence I and my classmates used that as an excuse to beat each other up. That is why I say I have never really played rugby.

                What is important though is that have watched and followed rugby very close for almost 20 years. Thousands and thousands of hours of watching, discussing, reading and learning. If you think that someone does not learn a lot about the game when spending so much time with the game, well… I can’t stop you from that, but it is almost comical how ignorant your view is.

                You and I had a pretty epic war of words – for months – before the Lions tour. You were wrong in almost all your predictions and assumptions. Even when we talked about tactics, selections et al you got it completely wrong. One would think if you have such a massive knowledge, you should at least get a few things right, but you did not.

                I am not gonna bore all the other readers by repeating all the things you got completely wrong, but I can remind you and others of a couple of glaring examples:

                I kept on saying that missing out on Dane Coles and after the first Test Ben Smith (hence I ranked them as the two best players in the world 2016) would be huge blows. But you ridiculed me with some pretty harsh personal abuse and just went on and on and on that the AB’s would smash the Lions and kept on saying that Coles and Smith were not important.

                Another thing was our tactics discussions. I said before the first Test that the AB’s best chance to beat the Lions was to back their forwards, keep it tight, fish for mistakes out wide, and be very conservative; beat the Lions at their own game. Your reply was that the AB’s never ever adjusted their tactics after their opponents, and me just suggesting that proved how little I know about rugby.
                The funny thing is that Wayne Smith number one mantra is opponents makes opportunities, but apparently, you know more about the AB’s tactics than Wayne Smith. And even more funny, the only Test the AB’s won, they played pretty much as I backed them to do.

                There are a lot of more examples, but let us keep them in the vault for now.

              • September 24th 2017 @ 7:13pm
                Fionn said | September 24th 2017 @ 7:13pm | ! Report

                I reject the premise of your argument that one needs to have played the game or attended matches live to know what they’re talking about.

                It just seems like an elitist way of ignoring all of his claims as you’re unable to refute them through logic – just means you can ignore what he says.

                Neutral knows plenty more about rugby than plenty of guys I know, and guys that I have played with. He definitely knows more than NH rugby than I do, and it is great to have the perspective of someone who follows both the north and south so passionately.

                However, rather than considering his perspectives – whether you agree or disagree – or even debating with him courteously you feel the need to go below the belt and make snide comments about his nationality. I just don’t see the logic of him knowing less because you happen to be a Kiwi and he happens to be a Swede.

              • September 24th 2017 @ 7:28pm
                Taylorman said | September 24th 2017 @ 7:28pm | ! Report

                Cheers Fionn. I wasnt making fun of his nationality. Swede is a short form, and thats it.

                How you got that I will leave to you. Good luck. This thread is now …beyond…boring.

              • September 24th 2017 @ 7:44pm
                Taylorman said | September 24th 2017 @ 7:44pm | ! Report

                All good swede, you have clearly said in the past youve never played it, now you have. Hmm, pants on fire?

                Think youve posted too many times to not recall,what youre saying, because none of it seems to be from personal experience of the game.

                As for the rest of your ramble, you also got things wrong. You picked 2-1 win to the Lions. Yet you keep claiming some sort of victory there. You even lost money on it. I didnt. So you are actually the only loser there.

                But you keep thinking you have some sort of victory with the Lions. Personally, I wouldnt bother.

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                September 24th 2017 @ 8:05pm
                The Neutral View From Sweden said | September 24th 2017 @ 8:05pm | ! Report

                Well, I have written a few times before about my “rugby experience”, just go to the log and check. And unlike you, I am not a liar. So try to play another tune if you want to discredit me.
                The point is, I don’t consider throwing the pill around a little in junior high as playing rugby.

                I watch a lot of rugby, and my views are mainly based on that. But I also read and discuss a lot to learn more. If someone – with logic – shows me another view that seems more correct, I embrace it hence I am a keen student of the game and I want to learn as much as possible (that is one reason why I enjoy N. Bishop’s columns and comments so much, because he makes me see new things and perspectives, but there are many other Roarers who teach me things also). You, on the other hand, seems to be on a crusade to prove everyone wrong, especially if they are not Kiwis, and while doing it insult them personally.

                I picked 2-1, and that was way closer the final result than 3-0 smashing blackwash you predicted. But if you want to pretend something else, go ahead.

                That I lost some money is of no importance. That bet was made – as you already know – as a gimmick so I would have some extra dollars to buy drinks to my Kiwi mates in Chiang Mai to comfort them if the Lions won.

                And without a doubt, the Lions series (and tour) proved that all your talk that you have superior knowledge to me is just fantasies from your part. Too bad you can’t man up and admit that and move on.

              • September 24th 2017 @ 8:28pm
                Taylorman said | September 24th 2017 @ 8:28pm | ! Report

                Sorry Swede Im not a liar, be a tough one proving that here but anyway, another long passage wasted. But if its that important to you be my guest.

                I made a few predictions during the series.

                At one point I predicted the Lions would win the second test so youre again being over dramatic if youre summarising my entire prediction history as a 3-0 thrashing.

                Just didnt happen. Anyway, youre obviously worked up over nothing, anyway like I said its boring and an eyesore for others so we’ll at least I will leave it there…I have grass to watch grow, paint to dry, more i mportant things like that… that than tendering to your fractured ego.

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                September 24th 2017 @ 8:53pm
                The Neutral View From Sweden said | September 24th 2017 @ 8:53pm | ! Report

                Well, you are a liar and you have shown it several times T-man. It is all there for anyone to see who bothers to check the backlog of your comments towards me. It would be better if you admit that you have lied several times to discredit me, apologize for that, not lie again and move on (I would be cool with that).

                This is not only about your predictions about the 3-0 blackwash or have you already forgotten about that little thingy about Wayne Smith and tactics and missing some key players… you know opponents make opportunities and how the AB’s should play against the Lions to win or that missing Dane Coles is no biggie?

                And I seriously doubt you have more important things to do than policing the Roar in the hunt for anyone who does not sing your very depraved gospel about the AB’s and NZ rugby.

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                September 24th 2017 @ 10:41pm
                PeterK said | September 24th 2017 @ 10:41pm | ! Report

                NVFS – I don’t think he has anything more important to do

              • September 25th 2017 @ 4:31am
                P2R2 said | September 25th 2017 @ 4:31am | ! Report

                Tman….I think you should quit while you are behind…Neutral has raised legit questions about your pontificating….

              • September 25th 2017 @ 5:22am
                Taylorman said | September 25th 2017 @ 5:22am | ! Report

                Morning Pete, the trios complete. ?

              • September 25th 2017 @ 3:15pm
                timber said | September 25th 2017 @ 3:15pm | ! Report

                Well, it’s pretty clear Neutral’s trying to pick a fight on the back on a fairly innocuous mistake from Tman.
                Interesting that some people are calling Tman out on his response rather than Nuetral’s unsolicited provocation.
                Clearly, there are some pent-up frustrations simmering away.

            • September 24th 2017 @ 1:38pm
              Jake said | September 24th 2017 @ 1:38pm | ! Report

              Of course, it’s england, the loudest blow hard of NH rugby and the team that has achieved the least in the past decade. Well ,all of them have achieved little, barring France and Wales who managed to make a world cup final and semi-final respectively.

              • Roar Guru

                September 24th 2017 @ 1:54pm
                The Neutral View From Sweden said | September 24th 2017 @ 1:54pm | ! Report

                Last decade you say? England was in the final in the WC 2007.

              • September 25th 2017 @ 12:08am
                Maddie said | September 25th 2017 @ 12:08am | ! Report

                You know very about rugby Neutral.. end of story.

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                September 24th 2017 @ 2:25pm
                PeterK said | September 24th 2017 @ 2:25pm | ! Report

                interestingly england, wales and ireland all have won the 6n’s 3 times in that period, france winning 1

              • September 24th 2017 @ 4:48pm
                Taylorman said | September 24th 2017 @ 4:48pm | ! Report

                Yes how England managed that final is still a mystery.

              • September 24th 2017 @ 11:11pm
                FunBus said | September 24th 2017 @ 11:11pm | ! Report

                True. They were a limited side, but had guts. Still one of my favourite rugby moments seeing that exceptionally arrogant Aussie team of 2007, wound up by an equally arrogant media and the hubris daddy of them all, O’Neill, get their comeuppance. When a man as mild mannered as Brian Ashton, the England coach, seeks out O’Neill to thank him for providing the motivation for the win, you know something amusing has happened.

              • September 24th 2017 @ 8:09pm
                soapit said | September 24th 2017 @ 8:09pm | ! Report

                its the world cup. 1 win in a key match is regularly the most thats required to make the final

              • September 24th 2017 @ 11:06pm
                FunBus said | September 24th 2017 @ 11:06pm | ! Report

                Oh, Jake,

                I do admire you. No matter how many times your Aussie teams lose you always come back for more. The Olympics, the Ashes, the rugby – square jawed Aussies are always on the verge of hammering pasty Poms, whatever the recent reality.

              • September 25th 2017 @ 12:12am
                Maddie said | September 25th 2017 @ 12:12am | ! Report

                So 1 world cup for England? The country with the most registered players on the planet and require an Aussie coach to save them? FunBus you are funny..totally

            • September 25th 2017 @ 8:33am
              Wardad said | September 25th 2017 @ 8:33am | ! Report

              So I would back T-mans knowledge and experience both playing and actually attending games against some chap whose only source of information is the internet.
              And whats wrong with “in the blood ? Thats how it feels when some of your earliest memories are of rugby and when your entire family,town and country are involved .I can recall watching the ABs play the Boks when the whole family from my Nanna on down to us wee kiddlies would be huddled around a flickering black and white telly in the wee small hours.Heck when even your Nanna has a very vocal [ and knowledgeable ] opinion on who should be playing I would say “its in the blood “

              • September 25th 2017 @ 2:04pm
                Taylorman said | September 25th 2017 @ 2:04pm | ! Report

                Yes the in the blood thing was the start of an attempted humerous take on the swedes lack of having played it, but then he jumped all over it and i couldnt be bothered and got stuck with the unfunny version.

                My bad. You gotta be quick to trade with a Euro Il tell ya! ?

              • September 25th 2017 @ 4:09pm
                Jock Cornet said | September 25th 2017 @ 4:09pm | ! Report

                It does help if you played the game, you can relate a lot better. It’s absolutely necessary for discussion in rugby

      • September 25th 2017 @ 10:32am
        marto said | September 25th 2017 @ 10:32am | ! Report

        Cheika can`t beat England..hahahahahahahahaha… No idea this kiwi fulla Taylorman ^

        • September 25th 2017 @ 3:54pm
          Taylorman said | September 25th 2017 @ 3:54pm | ! Report

          Cheikas gone from seconds away from beating the ABs in NZ to losing to Italy at home in mere weeks.

          Who knows what Cheika is capable of. I dont. Given that England is certainly not an impossibility.

          • September 26th 2017 @ 9:36am
            marto said | September 26th 2017 @ 9:36am | ! Report

            As i said he can`t beat England or the ABS or South Africa or Scotland or Ireland..HAHAHAHAHA

    • September 24th 2017 @ 7:13am
      Woodsman said | September 24th 2017 @ 7:13am | ! Report

      I doubt Eddie is nervous about any aspect of the Wallabies at this point.

      • September 24th 2017 @ 7:35am
        Sage said | September 24th 2017 @ 7:35am | ! Report

        That’s what I’d prefer Woodsman. A mildly dismissive approach

      • September 24th 2017 @ 9:08am
        Jameswm said | September 24th 2017 @ 9:08am | ! Report

        I doubt he’s that arrogant

      • September 24th 2017 @ 9:06pm
        Drongo said | September 24th 2017 @ 9:06pm | ! Report

        He is an Australian. That sort of arrogance belongs elsewhere in rugby.

      • September 24th 2017 @ 10:16pm
        PiratesRugby said | September 24th 2017 @ 10:16pm | ! Report

        English sides coached by Jones have easily accounted for Cheika’s Wallabies in their last four clashes. So what has changed to make Jones nervous? Genia is playing better than ever. That’s about it.
        By the way, just want to mention the Richmond Tigers magnificent victory on Saturday. Yes, I was one of over 90,000 cheering madly. Perhaps after 37 years we may have another Richmond premiership?
        And the Melbourne Storm looking great for another grand final victory.
        I’m sure the Wallabies can come good. Just need to have a realistic look at ourselves and what needs to be done. If you reckon anyone is ‘nervous’ about playing the Wallabies right now, you’re just kidding yourself.

        • September 25th 2017 @ 11:24am
          Akari said | September 25th 2017 @ 11:24am | ! Report

          Every time I watch Dustin Martin play AFL and mind you I had no idea about him until the first AFL final I watched this year. I can’t help thinking what a great rugby player he would make. If only. I will be watching the AFL grand final this weekend with great interest.

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          September 25th 2017 @ 11:30am
          PeterK said | September 25th 2017 @ 11:30am | ! Report

          Beale didn’t play them in any of those 4 matches, that is different

          Genia is not playing as well as he was last year however he didn’t play in any of those matches either.

          Coleman has played England only once and that was his first test and it was off the bench.

          Is the spring tour match against england within the test window this year?

          So that is 3 players different at the least and 3 of the better players.

          • September 25th 2017 @ 5:18pm
            Wardad said | September 25th 2017 @ 5:18pm | ! Report

            I would have to agree with you PK ,those 3 changes alone are a fairly large point of difference .And the Poms just squeaked it in a couple of those games so…

    • September 24th 2017 @ 8:10am
      GC Red said | September 24th 2017 @ 8:10am | ! Report

      As poorly as we all feel that the wallabies are performing…. Back row et al, How could any attacking team that has averaged over 30points against the All Blacks in their last 2 outings be dismissed as a threat to England.

      If only Cheika could swallow a morsel of humble pie, and make a few simple changes, I think he would be very close to a team we are all willing to get behind, and that the majority of Australian’s would support.
      1. Defend in position – Really kind of worked in NZ, we lost that game off our ability to kick goals and our back row.
      2. Pick a traditional back row – sick of saying it.

      Do these two things, and then our chances improve.

      • September 24th 2017 @ 8:43am
        Taylorman said | September 24th 2017 @ 8:43am | ! Report

        True, well said.

      • September 24th 2017 @ 9:00am
        Canetragic said | September 24th 2017 @ 9:00am | ! Report

        Cheika just does not do humble pie it seems. Brings a new meaning to stubborn.

      • September 24th 2017 @ 9:10am
        Jameswm said | September 24th 2017 @ 9:10am | ! Report

        Agree, though I’d say a balanced back row

        • September 24th 2017 @ 9:13am
          Fionn said | September 24th 2017 @ 9:13am | ! Report

          Simply dropping Hanigan for Timpani, even ignoring any further changes, would make the team that much stronger.

          Oh, and pick Coleman and Arnold in the second row.

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            September 24th 2017 @ 9:25am
            PeterK said | September 24th 2017 @ 9:25am | ! Report

            especially since england gain a lot from their big no 8 pick and drive and runs from base of the scrum.

            McMahon at 8 gets driven back far too easily in defence against big guys.

            Timani would hold the ground at the least or actually drive him back.

            • September 24th 2017 @ 9:58am
              Amateur Hour said | September 24th 2017 @ 9:58am | ! Report

              Could not agree more with this line of conversation.

              Pick the backs in their usual positions, make them defend there and get Timani and Higginbotham into the backrow stat.

              • September 25th 2017 @ 9:50am
                PiratesRugby said | September 25th 2017 @ 9:50am | ! Report

                You’re absolutely right. It is obvious. But Cheika won’t do it. And the Wallabies’ results will reflect that. And we’ll be back here arguing over what should’ve been done and be told we’re anti-tah. Last year it was Mumm and Skelton. This year Hanigan. But there’s a common denominator: Cheika. Get rid of him or next year will be just like this year which has been just like last year.

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              September 24th 2017 @ 11:08pm
              Fox Saker said | September 24th 2017 @ 11:08pm | ! Report

              Yes peterk I agree with you on Timani and it is not helping his international game that he doesn’t get enough game time. I think Cheika likes McMahons mongrel which is great but he has a habit of turning it on and then off or the other way round in games.

              Like he had a great second half against Argentina but was not very effective in the first half. The only thing I can think of is that Timani is missing an edge at training maybe because it is strange he is not given more game time even off the bench coming on earlier.

              McMahon is a strong ball carrier but one on one in the contact area scrapping for the breakdown control, he gets pushed off too easily you are right.

            • September 25th 2017 @ 10:35am
              marto said | September 25th 2017 @ 10:35am | ! Report

              You can`t possibly keep Ned Hanigan in the Wallabies and expect to beat a tier 1 nation..

          • September 24th 2017 @ 10:23am
            Jameswm said | September 24th 2017 @ 10:23am | ! Report

            Yep, that would do me.

            Moore out of the 23 is another.

            • September 24th 2017 @ 4:09pm
              Fionn said | September 24th 2017 @ 4:09pm | ! Report

              Yep, agreed, that one almost goes without saying.

      • September 24th 2017 @ 9:33am
        Bill said | September 24th 2017 @ 9:33am | ! Report

        Because that team is utterly inconsistent.

        • September 24th 2017 @ 9:08pm
          Drongo said | September 24th 2017 @ 9:08pm | ! Report

          How can that mean they are not a valid threat?

      • September 25th 2017 @ 5:55am
        Jimbo81 said | September 25th 2017 @ 5:55am | ! Report

        Nail on the head. Was wondering why I don’t care much these days.

    • September 24th 2017 @ 8:13am
      Brizvegas said | September 24th 2017 @ 8:13am | ! Report

      What would concern Eddie about Wallabies match? Cheika’s selections or game plan? Or the fact his English team are building towards the 6 nations?

      • September 24th 2017 @ 8:38am
        Sage said | September 24th 2017 @ 8:38am | ! Report

        Nothing. See above

    • September 24th 2017 @ 8:22am
      KiwiHaydn said | September 24th 2017 @ 8:22am | ! Report

      No forward pack, but 9 backs named. I’d be afraid if I was Eddie Jones too.

    • September 24th 2017 @ 8:57am
      FunBus said | September 24th 2017 @ 8:57am | ! Report

      ‘As you can see from the squad he’s just announced…’

      This isn’t the squad for the EOYT games. It’s a first up training squad. Eddie likes to play mind games with this squad to gee-up certain players. This time he’s left out Joseph, Sinckler and Kruis. All three will be back if fit. The serious selection is after the first rounds of the European Cup in about 5-6 weeks.

      • Roar Guru

        September 24th 2017 @ 10:29am
        The Neutral View From Sweden said | September 24th 2017 @ 10:29am | ! Report

        Agree about Eddie’s mind games. He wants JJ and Sinkler to perform at a consistently high level in the AP.
        Kruis is injured – or just back from injury – so I think that is the reason why he was left out. But it could be more to it also, cause right now he is the fourth choice lock at best.
        Haskell I reckon is out of the picture from now on.
        Sad thing that Billy V got injured yesterday, hopefully, nothing too serious.

        • September 24th 2017 @ 2:52pm
          Taylorman said | September 24th 2017 @ 2:52pm | ! Report

          Oh did he? Such a shame, and just after those useful comments about how Eddie Jones would have won the Lions tour.

          Good one Billy. Gotta spend the injury time doing something I suppose.

          • Roar Guru

            September 24th 2017 @ 3:15pm
            The Neutral View From Sweden said | September 24th 2017 @ 3:15pm | ! Report

            Interesting T-man, you bark and bark about being a real rugby man from a country far far away, but here you are expressing joy (added with some spicy insults) over the fact that Billy V is injured.
            I may not know as much as you do about NZ rugby culture but I thought taking joy out of someone else being injured was a big no-no.

            • September 24th 2017 @ 3:28pm
              Taylorman said | September 24th 2017 @ 3:28pm | ! Report

              Tough, I did. Good job. I didnt injure him now did I. You choose to play this game you get injured. Had more than my fair share of injuries and I didnt need or ask for sympathy from anyone, nor will Billy.

              Im simply amused by the karma that comes with it.

              • Roar Guru

                September 24th 2017 @ 3:50pm
                The Neutral View From Sweden said | September 24th 2017 @ 3:50pm | ! Report

                The fact remains, any decent person would not take pleasure out of someone getting injured. Especially not when they get injured playing the sport you claim you have in your blood

                And no-one has asked for sympathy here (even though sympathy is a pretty nice thing), just some simple manners, some respect, and overall just being a good rugby man (or human).

              • September 24th 2017 @ 4:16pm
                Taylorman said | September 24th 2017 @ 4:16pm | ! Report

                Ah whatever, just more evidence youre not a rugby man. Injuries are part of the game, at a certain level theyre even considered trophies. As players at the next training after the weekend we’d laugh at the bruises, black eyes, sprig marks on the back etc etc. then get back into it.

                But never having played the game youd never know.

                Disrespect? Geez. Grow some. Or go out and play the game then share your expertise with everyone.

                Hes injured, big deal. He’ll survive.

              • Roar Guru

                September 24th 2017 @ 4:44pm
                The Neutral View From Sweden said | September 24th 2017 @ 4:44pm | ! Report

                I am well aware that injuries can be regarded as “trophies”, but it is pretty rare (except in your fantasies obviously). Anyone who truly loves to play rugby – or any sport at all – knows how much it hurts sitting on the sideline being injured and how boring and mentally challenging it is to do rehab training.

                Your reference to team banter after injuries has very little relevance here. Anyone who has been in a team environment knows that banter like that – after injuries – is in many ways a way to show love and respect to the injured teammate.

                The big thing you completely miss – and thereby proves that you are not a real rugby man at all – is that everyone who has been involved in team sport – for real, not only in their fantasies – knows that applauding an opponents injury is the lowest of low.

              • September 24th 2017 @ 4:55pm
                Taylorman said | September 24th 2017 @ 4:55pm | ! Report

                Yes anyone in rugby knows that…so that excludes you. Lowest of low? geez, bit of a drama queen methinks.

                Perhaps theres a lesson.

                Perhaps he could use that boredom and downtime for more useful things rather than coming up with theories that will never happen.

                Perhaps you could too rather than endlessly trying to predict the future of NZ rugby for us all?

                No need to thank me by the way, the advice is free?

              • Roar Guru

                September 24th 2017 @ 5:05pm
                The Neutral View From Sweden said | September 24th 2017 @ 5:05pm | ! Report

                I’m glad to see you’re not letting your education get in the way of your ignorance.

              • September 24th 2017 @ 5:36pm
                Jameswm said | September 24th 2017 @ 5:36pm | ! Report

                Boys this isn’t reflecting on either of you well. Move on.

              • September 24th 2017 @ 6:42pm
                Taylorman said | September 24th 2017 @ 6:42pm | ! Report

                Yes youre right jameswn, not a good day at the office?

              • September 24th 2017 @ 11:18pm
                FunBus said | September 24th 2017 @ 11:18pm | ! Report

                Wow, Karma must be tough where you grew up, Tman. A throwaway line sucking up to your national coach equals a wrecked knee in Tman karma-world.

              • September 25th 2017 @ 5:02am
                Wardy said | September 25th 2017 @ 5:02am | ! Report

                I’m confused did I really read someone gloating about a professional rugby player being seriously injured ? That’s disgusting irrespective of any international rivalry! Very very sad.

              • September 25th 2017 @ 5:26am
                Taylorman said | September 25th 2017 @ 5:26am | ! Report

                No not really FB I called it amusing before the swede got on his high horse and made a storm from it.

              • September 25th 2017 @ 5:33am
                Wardy said | September 25th 2017 @ 5:33am | ! Report

                “Amusing” ? Blimey you’r a nice man ! Oh well guess it’s your problem .

              • September 25th 2017 @ 5:36am
                Taylorman said | September 25th 2017 @ 5:36am | ! Report

                Yes wardy I hadnt known the nature of the injury until this morning so an illtimed quip. Only initial report I saw was hed miss the couple of games. So Ill put that down to a few on a quiet Sunday.

              • September 25th 2017 @ 5:40am
                Wardy said | September 25th 2017 @ 5:40am | ! Report

                Fair enough

        • September 24th 2017 @ 11:21pm
          FunBus said | September 24th 2017 @ 11:21pm | ! Report

          I agree Haskell might be on the way out. Underhill and the Curry twins are very highly rated.

          Billy V is having a scan tomorrow. Apparently, initial signs aren’t good

          • September 25th 2017 @ 12:07am
            Bakkies said | September 25th 2017 @ 12:07am | ! Report

            Not good news out for 4 months.

            • September 25th 2017 @ 3:52pm
              cuw said | September 25th 2017 @ 3:52pm | ! Report

              replaced by Jack cliffords – a strange one that for me.

              would have thought Eddie of all would have gone a for a traditional 8 , but then this is just his training thingy , so….

              Exeter lost their 8 also yesterday ….

              the guys are dropping like flies this year AND just in 4 rounds.

              • September 25th 2017 @ 6:39pm
                Samuel Honywill said | September 25th 2017 @ 6:39pm | ! Report

                CUW – there isn’t really a like-for-like replacement for Billy is the issue. Hughes and Morgan are probably the closest but even then they’re slightly different players – both lay a bit wider and further from the ruck than Billy does and make more metres in less confined areas (although Hughes has done his best Billy impression for England in fairness, but I don’t think it brings the best out of him). Simmonds’ injury looked bad yesterday but the stretcher and brace turned out to be precautionary thankfully, he probably has a stinking headache but he should be good to go in a couple of weeks.

              • September 26th 2017 @ 3:42pm
                cuw said | September 26th 2017 @ 3:42pm | ! Report

                seems either the 8s are injured or are foreigners …..

                whatever happened to Beaumont??

              • September 27th 2017 @ 9:40am
                Colin N said | September 27th 2017 @ 9:40am | ! Report

                “whatever happened to Beaumont??”

                Sale have moved him to lock. With Strauss signing and Sale lacking depth in the second-row, that prompted the move. Not sure it’s his best position though.

        • September 25th 2017 @ 4:51pm
          adastra32 said | September 25th 2017 @ 4:51pm | ! Report

          He is out for 4 months – which puts paid to the November internationals and 6Ns.

      • Roar Pro

        September 24th 2017 @ 11:40am
        Crazy Horse said | September 24th 2017 @ 11:40am | ! Report

        Pity Cheika won’t put a similar rocket under his favourites. Maximum effort 100% of the time or you don’t play. Izzy in particular takes on pitch holidays between his flashes of brilliant attacking opportunism.

        • Roar Guru

          September 24th 2017 @ 11:48am
          PeterK said | September 24th 2017 @ 11:48am | ! Report


        • Roar Guru

          September 24th 2017 @ 12:35pm
          The Neutral View From Sweden said | September 24th 2017 @ 12:35pm | ! Report

          I don’t think JJ, Sinckler, Kruis, and Haskell are favorites of Eddie (me knowingly Eddie’s favorites are Owen Farrell and Billy V).

          And I have a hard time to fault Cheika for selecting Folau considering how well he has played for the Wallabies this season. Folau (and Beale) are the only players I believe Steve Hansen would consider for selection for the AB’s if they were eligible.

          • Roar Guru

            September 24th 2017 @ 12:49pm
            PeterK said | September 24th 2017 @ 12:49pm | ! Report

            I think he would strongly consider Kepu as well

          • Roar Rookie

            September 24th 2017 @ 4:36pm
            coldturkey said | September 24th 2017 @ 4:36pm | ! Report

            You’re dreaming.
            Folau is great under the highball, but doesn’t offer enough in defence to be considered for the All Blacks.
            Beale is a utility player at best for the All Blacks and Lima Sopoaga, for example, has all the skills and more that Beale offers.

            • September 24th 2017 @ 5:36pm
              Taylorman said | September 24th 2017 @ 5:36pm | ! Report

              Mckenzies not a great defender but its not so much Folaus ability to tackle it as his positional play. As a fullback hes often out of position. If thats because of the wing thing then its not a good look. He is either lazy on defence, or appears lazy, not being where youd expect a FB sometimes.

              Beale in his current form would slot in quite well, and would be good injury cover. He wouldnt be first pick but would go close. Mind you, Id have him over SBW just to get SBW out.

              Trouble is hes had some bad tests in the past and I think thats going to catch him up at some point, but I hope not. Its been good watching him in this form.

              • September 24th 2017 @ 9:14pm
                Drongo said | September 24th 2017 @ 9:14pm | ! Report

                Kiwi opinions on Wallaby players are usually completely irrelevant because they are tainted with bias and always overly negative and bloated by arrogant superiority complex. I never criticise or even critique Kiwi players, only posters.

              • September 25th 2017 @ 8:25am
                Jacko said | September 25th 2017 @ 8:25am | ! Report

                Drongo’s opinions are usually completely irrelevant because they are tainted with bias and always overly negative and bloated by arrogant superiority complex.

            • September 25th 2017 @ 8:59am
              Brizvegas said | September 25th 2017 @ 8:59am | ! Report

              Pretty sure the ABs are doing pretty well without any Wallaby players. England will be tough for the Wallabies but i hope that with good selections and a game plan that will use the strengths of the team will see the Wallabies with an upset win.
              Not easy to make a call on game results. AB’s smash wallabies then have a close 2nd game and then they runover Argies in end and annihilate the Boks. Wallabies get smashed 1st game lose a close 2nd game beat the Argies and draw with Boks. Oh TMan and Not So Neutral you two need to take chill pills and enjoy life a bit more. There are a few knowledgeable rugby brains on this site. Brett M, Geoff P, Old B , Peter K and others and all the others like me who just enjoy rugby.

          • September 25th 2017 @ 5:47am
            Rhys Bosley said | September 25th 2017 @ 5:47am | ! Report

            I reckon of the current team TPN, Alsatian, Kepu, Coleman, Hooper, McMahon, Genia, Kuridrani, Beale, Hodge and Folau could all push for the All Blacks, but most of them only if they were given a season or two in a Kiwi Super team. They have the raw material, they would just need the competition and better training to step up.

            Without that prep I would rate Folau to bump Ipane, Kuridrani to bump Williams, and Hooper, Coleman and Kepu to push for a bench spot.

            • September 25th 2017 @ 6:08am
              Rhys Bosley said | September 25th 2017 @ 6:08am | ! Report

              Oh, I forgot Sio, he could challenge for a spot after a season or two as well.

            • September 25th 2017 @ 8:12am
              Fionn said | September 25th 2017 @ 8:12am | ! Report

              I reckon you’re right on all of these, Rhys.

              The Wallabies are really lacking in a few key positions (4, 6, 8 and 10) but the guys you name are all pretty good.

              If Naisarani comes on next year, Lealiifano improves and Arnold improves his consistency or Matt Phillip really steps up then I think we have the makings of a pretty good team.

              I think that both Sio and AAA after a few seasons in a Kiwi SR team would be able to push for a bench spot too.

              • September 25th 2017 @ 6:34pm
                Rhys Bosley said | September 25th 2017 @ 6:34pm | ! Report

                “The Wallabies are really lacking in a few key positions (4, 6, 8 and 10) but the guys you name are all pretty good.”

                Correct. Unfortunately there is really no end in sight in any of those key positions, save perhaps 4.

            • September 25th 2017 @ 8:27am
              Jacko said | September 25th 2017 @ 8:27am | ! Report

              so basically you guys are saying that if these Aus players went to NZ and spent a few seasons learning that extra 15% it takes to be an AB then they may make the team?

              • September 25th 2017 @ 9:11am
                Fionn said | September 25th 2017 @ 9:11am | ! Report

                We’re saying that there are some very talented Aussie players around, who, while perhaps most won’t be as good as the first choice Kiwis, are pretty good players and with the better coaching offered in NZ than Aus they’d be a good chance of making the All Blacks 23.

              • September 25th 2017 @ 11:13am
                Rugby Tragic said | September 25th 2017 @ 11:13am | ! Report

                Fionn, that might be a fair comment, but I think what you are really saying is that Aussie coaches are not up to it.

                There is a saying in business that Good Managers can build a good team but, good staff cannot correct Bad Managers … there might be a bit of similarity here..

              • September 25th 2017 @ 6:31pm
                Rhys Bosley said | September 25th 2017 @ 6:31pm | ! Report

                “… but I think what you are really saying is that Aussie coaches are not up to it.”


              • September 25th 2017 @ 11:34am
                Akari said | September 25th 2017 @ 11:34am | ! Report

                I’d advocate for the ARU to pay NZ provincial sides to have 15 select players to have a season or two in the ITM cup for up to 5 years, Jacko. They don’t have to be the same players but most will return better from the opportunity.

              • September 25th 2017 @ 6:38pm
                Rhys Bosley said | September 25th 2017 @ 6:38pm | ! Report

                “so basically you guys are saying that if these Aus players went to NZ and spent a few seasons learning that extra 15% it takes to be an AB then they may make the team?”

                Yup. I also think that had Will Genia been an All Black from the start, Aaron Smith would still be NZs best super sub 9. Just one example. There is nothing wrong with our guys as athletes, it is the NZ system that polishes these players to their brilliant standard.

              • September 26th 2017 @ 5:56am
                Fionn said | September 26th 2017 @ 5:56am | ! Report

                Rugby Tragic, agreed.

      • September 25th 2017 @ 2:50pm
        cuw said | September 25th 2017 @ 2:50pm | ! Report

        KRUIS ?? i thought he left out HASKELL and it had nothing to do with the yellow he got 😛

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