Why I won’t be supporting the French Rugby World Cup bid

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    According to the French, the only way to “help safeguard international rugby’s future” is to grant them the hosting rights for the 2023 World Cup.

    On the surface this is one of the most arrogant statements I’ve read in a long time, but it does highlight one of the major issues the global game is facing. The fact the French union has offered an extra £30 million ($A50 million) over and above the expected tournament fee is particularly concerning.

    I guess we should be thankful for small mercies – at least the offer was made publicly instead of behind closed doors. I wonder how Ireland and South Africa felt about France’s offer and if either of them has upped their bids in an attempt to stay in the running.

    Italy withdrew their bid to host the 2023 Rugby World Cup after Rome’s mayor, Virginia Raggi, put an end to the city’s bid to host the 2024 Olympics. Federazione Italiana Rugby president Alfredo Gavazzi said, “We are aware that we have missed a fantastic opportunity to further embed our values and our sport in the Italian social fabric, but we have to recognise that as of now there are no grounds to continue this journey”.

    But will there ever be another opportunity for Italy to host the Rugby World Cup? Italy isn’t a monied union, and rugby isn’t a major sport in Italy – in fact, rugby is ranked the 10th most popular sport in Italy, lower than the likes of water polo (5th) and wrestling (6th). So would their government be willing to help them to the extent needed to make another bid?

    Now France has stated that a successful bid to host the 2023 World Cup “would help in attempts to stop its Top 14 clubs luring southern hemisphere players to Europe”.

    So let me get this right: they’ll only curtail the Top 14 clubs if they get the bid, even though Claude Atcher, the manager of France candidacy, has publicly acknowledged the damage this competition is doing through the clubs luring southern hemisphere players “on lucrative contracts“.

    Atcher suggests that if the rules aren’t changed, then “in five years or ten years all South African, Australian and New Zealand players will play in France, in England”.

    I take issue with this statement. New Zealand players are lured north after retirement from international rugby or if they have too many other players ahead of them in their favoured position or if they’re not in consideration for a place. The New Zealanders currently playing in the northern hemisphere have not had an impact on the All Blacks.

    It might not be that way for every country, but we’re blessed with depth, and we owe that to the effort and dedication that has gone into developing the sport at the grassroots level. So I disagree with Atcher when he suggests all New Zealand players will play in France and in England. That’s quite a huge generalisation to make!

    (Image: AFP Photo / Lionel Bonaventure)

    Is he suggesting New Zealand Rugby will stop working at ways of how to keep our best players here? Or is he suggesting that the lure of the black jersey will one day end and not be a motivating factor for players? This statement shows how little he knows about global rugby.

    I’m quite happy New Zealand doesn’t allow offshore players to play for the All Blacks; our depth ensures that such a rule doesn’t affect the national team. New Zealand has “600 professional players offshore and 38 played for other countries in the 2015 World Cup”, but New Zealand Rugby “pays the salary of the top 150 players and that is why they retain the core of their best players”.

    I for one like the system we have in place. I don’t begrudge players going overseas one bit – in fact, I would be a hypocrite if I did as I’m working overseas myself – but I believe the system we have in place has enabled our success, so why would we want to mess around with it?

    New Zealand has “a blanket, categoric, non-negotiable ruling that only players contracted to the New Zealand rugby union can be picked for the All Blacks. There are no exceptions, but there are two previous examples – Sonny Bill Williams and Luke McAlister – who were granted permission to be picked for the All Blacks despite not playing in the preceding domestic competition”.

    And then in 2008, the ‘sabbatical clause’ was introduced. However, Steve Tew is on record saying that as the market is competitive, they’re “constantly reviewing what [they’re] doing, and if circumstances changed, then [they’d] be foolish not to think about it“. So while the powers that be in New Zealand Rugby are happy with the present situation, it could very well change in the future.

    The system Rugby South Africa has in place allows selection to the national team for overseas-based players only “if they have 30 Springbok caps under the belt”. Australia have “loosened their stance to open eligibility to offshore players who have seven years’ Test experience and 60 caps”.

    According to Greg Peters, former general manager of Unión Argentina de Rugby, “Pre-2007 they all played offshore and went overseas very young”; however, the inclusion of the Jaguars into Super Rugby saw many of the offshore players return to Argentina.

    Samoa, Fiji and Tonga are the worst affected and “select their players as and when possible, which is generally only during Rugby World Cups”. England “previously picked French-based players but currently don’t allow it”, but they do have an “in exceptional circumstances” clause which allows the coach “to pick whoever he likes as long as he can make a case to justify it”. France, Ireland and Wales have no restrictions in place.

    (Image: Mark Nolan/Getty Images)

    According to Atcher, “We have a responsibility to support the development of rugby in the world because, if we don’t do anything, in five to ten years you will have two, three to four teams on the same level and that’s all, and then rugby will die”.

    Personally, I don’t see France as rugby’s saviour. Perhaps if the French Rugby Federation were as concerned with the health of the global game as they’re implying, then they would be putting more effort into developing the game in their own country. How can the country with arguably the best club competition in the world be only eighth in World Rugby rankings?

    Austin Healey suggested that “French rugby is set up to almost actively hinder the national side” due to having the “least amount of access and control over their players” of any tier-one nation. In 2016 the Top 14 final was on 24 June and the preseason for the national team started in July.

    “Some of their guys are playing 40 games a year where England play in the low 30s and Ireland’s in the high 20s,” he said. The number of games being played and the toll that has on the players leaves “no time to be doing speed work or working on their skill”.

    Former head coach Philippe Saint-Andre blames the Top 14 for the inconsistency of French rugby: “The Top 14 has a budget of €150 million ($A225 million) and the FFR is €100 million … The league is much bigger than the federation”.

    Saint-Andre speaks of how wonderful the Top 14 is, boasting some of the world’s best players and packed stadia, but “afterwards you watch some starting teams with two or three French players in the starting XV or you are struggling to find wingers [for the national team] because 70 per cent of the wings are from overseas it starts to be a big problem”. As Saint-Andre asserts, “We need our young players to play and develop their game”.

    The Top 14 is guilty of undermining the national team by not releasing players, as was the case with the 2016 tour of Argentina in which they lost the first Test 30-19, and by recalling players during the designated ‘rest weeks’. Saint-Andrew would like to see an agreement between the French Rugby Federation and the Top 14 along the same lines that Rob Andrew devised with the Premiership. Namely, “the selection of home-grown talent and limited internationals’ game time”. France have tried to implement such rules in the past but they failed. Hopefully with or without a successful Rugby World Cup bid they will have more success in the future with any such implementation.

    Nicholas Mas of France are loss to South Africa


    After the 62-13 defeat to New Zealand in the 2015 Rugby World Cup Steve Hansen said, “there are so many foreigners playing in their teams and leagues here that they’re taking the chance off local talent to grow and develop and so they limit who they can select at international level”. He likened what’s happening to rugby in France to the English football league – the league might be the best in the world, but it doesn’t reflect in the national team.

    He asserts that the New Zealand model works because domestic rugby supports the international team. “If you want to be successful at international rugby, you have to be united from the top to the bottom, and I’m not sure they are up here”.

    Compare the New Zealand model to that in the northern hemisphere. According to Iain Payten, “In Europe clubs exist to win premierships and test rugby sits separately. Clubs pay the players and they generally couldn’t give a stuff about whether England or France win the Six Nations”.

    And there’s the rub. For the million/billionaire owners, owning a rugby team is the “new luxury yacht: a vanity plaything,” Payten says. How is that ever going to be good for world rugby? I would like to think that the purchase of a rugby club is due to a love of rugby, but the must-win-at-all-costs (that is, buy the best players in the world) philosophy is nothing more than ego-driven or instant gratification. It’s not about the sport; it’s about the win, and if the national team suffers as a result, who cares.

    I for one think World Rugby should care!

    Shouldn’t the responsibility lie with World Rugby? Surely as the governing body of the global game, they’re ultimately responsible not just for the development of the sport but also for the preservation of it. Why not bring in salary caps for the players? Or limit the number of foreigners a club team can have? France tried to introduce a rule to do this, but the clubs found loopholes which they exploited. Shouldn’t World Rugby ensure there are no loopholes?

    Atcher named New Zealand, South Africa, Australia, and Italy as unions who showed losses in their financial reports. He added that while Wales, Scotland and Ireland are not flush, they are at least “balanced in terms of budget”, but stated it was only England and France who made a profit. I get that England and France are the richest unions, but surely the right to host the Rugby World Cup should not be granted on wealth alone – is that not contrary to the whole development philosophy of World Rugby?

    I see the French offer of the additional £30 million as a very dangerous precedent. If World Rugby accept it, what does that mean for the future of Rugby World Cups? Will the cup only ever be staged by those few countries that can afford to pay more than the asking price? I sincerely hope not, but I fear the answer is yes.

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    • September 25th 2017 @ 8:27am
      Julius said | September 25th 2017 @ 8:27am | ! Report

      Beware of Frenchmen bearing gifts.

      • September 25th 2017 @ 10:24am
        Canetragic said | September 25th 2017 @ 10:24am | ! Report

        Good advice!

    • September 25th 2017 @ 8:37am
      zubrick said | September 25th 2017 @ 8:37am | ! Report

      i have no problem with france hosting the cup
      the french like any rugby nation are entitled to throw their hat in the ring for the event
      i imagine in 5 years player and crowd safety will be a major issue

    • September 25th 2017 @ 8:53am
      Not so super said | September 25th 2017 @ 8:53am | ! Report

      SA are the most effect nation by NH
      The top 14 will fall in a hole in the next decade

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      September 25th 2017 @ 9:03am
      sheek said | September 25th 2017 @ 9:03am | ! Report

      Hypocrisy rules in international rugby.

      France are concerned about poaching players from the southern hemisphere? Really??

      World Rugby (ex-IRB) loves spruiking how the game is played in over 100 countries but then conveniently ignores Fiji, Samoa & Tonga, whose players are forced into becoming “mercenaries for hire” under different flags.

      For a sport that went on about its ethos under the amateur days, rugby is the most obscenely hypocritical sport today you could imagine.

      If international rugby is killed off by French & England club rugby, then the game deserves what it gets.

      • September 26th 2017 @ 9:44am
        Mark Fredericks said | September 26th 2017 @ 9:44am | ! Report

        I could not agree more.

      • September 26th 2017 @ 2:19pm
        Zakaia Cvitanovich said | September 26th 2017 @ 2:19pm | ! Report

        Totally agree with you

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      September 25th 2017 @ 9:18am
      PeterK said | September 25th 2017 @ 9:18am | ! Report

      Money talks rugby walks.

      I doubt world rugby has the power to restrict clubs signing o/s players , it would be challenged in the courts and I suspect they would lose in France.

      Despite how wonderful NZ rugby is in everything, obviously the answer to all things rugby to everyone else in the world with differing domestic situations, i.e selection policy and so on it holds zero sway in terms of the selection of the rugby world cup bid.

      World rugby is obliged to consider what more it can do with the extra 50m when it weighs up the different bids.

      If that gets them over the line this time thats ok.

      There is a limited time this can happen, the attraction of every world cup being held between England and France is limited and so it will go to other countries sometimes. Sure it may be every second one is in either England or France but so be it.

      • September 25th 2017 @ 5:03pm
        cuw said | September 25th 2017 @ 5:03pm | ! Report

        ” I doubt world rugby has the power to restrict clubs signing o/s players , it would be challenged in the courts and I suspect they would lose in France.”

        i doubt that – simply becoz champions league footy has certain clauses about the content of the squads. here’s an extract.

        ” According to UEFA.com, every club must submit TWO lists of players to the FA by an official UEFA deadline, whether they are in the Champions League or Europa League .

        The lists, which include squad numbers, will be verified, validated and forwarded on to UEFA by the FA before each club’s European squad is published.

        When submitting the lists, they will be sent to the FA named ‘List A’ and ‘List B’.

        What is a ‘List A’ player?

        According to UEFA, a maximum of 25 players including a minimum of two goalkeepers can be registered to this list. Eight places on the list are reserved for ‘locally trained players’.

        If a club cannot count on the services of at least two goalkeepers registered on List A because of long-term injury or illness then they can select a temporary replacement.

        UEFA say that if a club has fewer than eight locally-trained players in their squad, then the maximum number of players on List A is reduced accordingly.

        A ‘locally trained player’ falls into two categories.

        1. A club-trained player

        This is a player who has been on the club’s book for three years between the ages of 15 and 21.

        2. Association-trained players

        This for players who were on the books of another club for three years between the ages of 15 and 21.

        No club can have more than four association-trained players among their eight nominees on List A.

        What is a ‘List B’ player?

        UEFA say that a player can be registered as List B if he is born on, or after, January 1 1996 and has been eligible to play for the club concerned for an uninterrupted period of two years since his 15th birthday.

        A player who is aged 16 may be registered if for the previous two years they were registered with another clubs.

        Clubs are entitled to register an unlimited number of players on List B during the season, but the list must be submitted before a deadline on the day before a matchday.

        If a club gets through to the knock-out stages, they will be able to make changes to their squad ahead of the round of 16.

        A club will be able to register a maximum of three new players before the deadline, but the limit will remain at 25 players.

        UEFA say that players can be added if they have played in qualifying for the UEFA Champions League or UEFA Europa League, but only one of the potential three new players can have played in the UEFA Europa League group stage.

        Players cannot represent two clubs in the UEFA Champions League from the group stage onwards.

      • September 25th 2017 @ 11:33pm
        Bakkies said | September 25th 2017 @ 11:33pm | ! Report

        ‘I doubt world rugby has the power to restrict clubs signing o/s players , it would be challenged in the courts and I suspect they would lose in France.’

        The clubs already have limits on the amount of foreign players they can have in their squad and in France if you don’t comply will get docked points. The loophole which isn’t one as it is in writing and compliant with IRB eligibility laws is related to young academy players who are working towards residency and will be French eligibility. Even if they are it doesn’t mean the French national coach will select them.

        ‘Why not bring in salary caps for the players?’

        There are already salary caps in Wales, England and France. Clubs in France are also audited so they can only spend a certain percentage of their budget in salaries and rack up unsustainable debts. This doesn’t occur in England and there clubs who regularly rack up multi million pound losses.

        Time people directed their target towards the English not the French.

    • September 25th 2017 @ 9:55am
      Kane said | September 25th 2017 @ 9:55am | ! Report

      New Zealand did record a loss this year but purely because they pumped millions into grass roots rugby, $28m in fact. Australia on the other hand invested $4m into developing the game.

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