Five reasons why South Melbourne must be the A-League’s next franchise

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    To give them a chance or not to give them a chance? Here are five reasons why South Melbourne must be the A-League’s next franchise.

    1 History
    Before the A-League even existed, South Melbourne won the title of Oceania ‘Team of the century’. They also won four league titles in the NSL, which is technically the most national titles by an Australian team to this day (tied with Sydney City – Also won four NSL titles).

    The number of Socceroos legends that came through South Melbourne can not be ignored. Even our national coach Ange Postecoglou used to play for the mighty Hellas in the mid 80s to early 90s, and also coached them a few years later.

    2 More derbies
    Adding a third Melbourne team would give the league more Melbourne Derby matches! It’s a no brainer FFA, derbies attract the big crowds. Imagine AAMI Park or better yet, Lakeside Stadium (South’s home ground) , hosting the derby of Melbourne. The boutique ground that South Melbourne play at has a capacity of 12,000.

    That’s a very respectable size for a stadium of a team that’s starting back in the top division. Imagine Lakeside Stadium sold out to watch the most successful A-League Franchise up against the most successful NSL powerhouse.


    (AAP Image/Joe Castro)

    3 Converting ‘Eurosnobs’ to the A-League
    Eurosnob. It’s a derogatory term used to describe a football fan that follows their EPL team, or any team in Europe but do not attend an A-League fixture.

    There are many of these Eurosnobs that only follow their local NPL teams because they supported them in the NSL era and refused to pledge allegiance to a franchise that was established to try and kill out these teams with rich history.

    There is a huge divide in Australian football between A-League supporters and Eurosnobs, and giving South Melbourne an A-League licence would be a step in the right direction to bridging the gap between these sets of fans.

    There are many already established fans of South Melbourne, and more fans of the A-League would be made too. Remember Western Sydney’s first season? Many non football fans jumped on the bandwagon and bought memberships the following season.

    Who’s to say the Greek expat community wouldn’t get behind their team from yesteryear to relive the glory days and new football fans would be discovered too.

    4 Roberto Carlos
    Real Madrid and Brazil legend Roberto Carlos has long been linked to South Melbourne as a potential coach if they are granted a spot in the top division. Imagine the young talent he could bring across!

    Surely he has many contacts in the footballing world that would land many young prospects the opportunity to showcase their skills here down under. Who knows, we could be watching the future Neymar running around in a South Melbourne jersey. One thing is for sure, Roberto Carlos would definitely be a God send for the A-League.

    5 More opportunity for a young players
    Milos Lujic was born to play in the A-League. If South were given the chance to be in the A-League, many of these young NPL players would get the chance to shine in the top division. We have too many players in the NPL that are ignored.

    Hopefully one day a second division will give those players that chance. But that’s another sensitive topic for another time….

    There you have it. My five reasons why South Melbourne should be included in the A-League. If you have any other reasons why they should be in the A-League, comment below.

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    • Roar Rookie

      September 27th 2017 @ 7:24am
      Luke said | September 27th 2017 @ 7:24am | ! Report

      Hi Anthony, thanks for writing, unfortunately I cannot see south being in the A-league at all despite the pleas of some in the community

      You claim in your first argument that the history of south earns them a place. Whilst they are the ociena team of the century they will forever have the stigma of being known as “the Greek club” . If the FFA let them in it sets a dangerous precedent to allow other ethnic based clubs to be let back in. We then turn back into the nsl and all the good work the a-league has done has been damaged

      Whilst the history idea is good, they have a lot more than the other clubs in the league, the ffa would be laughing stocks if they where let back in at this stage. The only eurosnobs that would support the club would be Greeks and we have ethnicity plaguing our league once more

      More derbies would be great don’t get me wrong but I have a feeling that 9 derbys a season would be over saturating their presence. If we are looking for more derbies we should be expanding in other cities to give them a derby most noticeably a second club in Brisbane, give them exposure to one instead of over saturating the melbourne market

      As much as I would like Roberto Carlos to manage them, I cannot see them being able to do so. The club already struggles to pay their coach on time anyway as seen here .

      ANY expansion club would provide more opportunity for Australian players, what makes south any different? The fact that they are an NPL club? Put in any other club in the A-league and you’ve got more Australians playing.

      I do want to see south play in the A-league (just for personal reasons seeing as I hate both victory and city?) but there is no way the ffa would let them in

      • September 27th 2017 @ 7:32pm
        anthony15 said | September 27th 2017 @ 7:32pm | ! Report

        Appreciate the feedback mate. I know it seems like a pipe dream, especially with the FFA’s tough stance on ethnicity etc. But hopefully down the track the FFA can accept the historical clubs of the former NSL back into the top division of Australian football. I wish South Melbourne all the best for their FFA Cup semi final against Sydney FC, should be a great game. If South sell out Lakeside stadium surely the FFA must not ignore the fact that they do have the potential to attract over 10,000 football fans.

        • September 27th 2017 @ 11:28pm
          Vicfootballer said | September 27th 2017 @ 11:28pm | ! Report

          Has the capacity to have 10,000 fans, but has less than 500 show up to an NPL game. Historical clubs??? Football has been in Victoria for 125 years. The ‘history’ of South pales in comparison to some of the local clubs in our community but they’re never calling to have their so called rightful place restored.

          The game is bigger and beyond these types of arguments. They still chant ‘Hellas’ at games. And they claim to be ‘Australian’? I remember the name change and the rebranding. I’d also suggest a look at their board and to look for the non-Greek heritage members. See how many you find.

          Then don’t get me started on the Oceania Team of the Century being FIFA endorsed!!! Do some research! Look up the organisation! Some people out of Germany with no official FIFA capacity. I may as well call my local team the Victorian Team of the Century.

          We have amazing growth potential for the game in the South East of Melbourne. Looking to Hellas or South Melbourne or the Lakers to bring in the masses just will not happen. Starting fresh without the baggage of history is the only way. Look to the success of Victory as to how good governance and lack of baggage can turn into both football and corporate success.

          Welcome to test any claim and I can post links if need be.

          • September 28th 2017 @ 4:22pm
            Hulk said | September 28th 2017 @ 4:22pm | ! Report

            What links can you post? Laughable accusations from the “covert agent” who claims low level HAL clubs require 10M operating costs? Lol. His and your credibility shot down in flames. Good thing neither of you willing to put your real names behind this tripe eh?

            • September 28th 2017 @ 4:35pm
              Hulk said | September 28th 2017 @ 4:35pm | ! Report

              That was directed at luke.. But you both reek of the same ignorance..

              U should realise their club of century award is what enabled them to establish a partnership with Real Madrid whereby SMFC send their jnrs to Bernabeu to play them every year. Stop talking down to club that offers more than HAL clubs in this respect.

              Ps Bernabeu is real madrids home ground… In Madrid… Just making sure, you sound very insular…

              • September 28th 2017 @ 5:11pm
                Vicfootballer said | September 28th 2017 @ 5:11pm | ! Report

                The purpose of stating that the Bernabeu is Real Madrid’s home ground is? Even the most part time supporter knows Real and their home ground… but hats off to you on that one.

                How many players have then signed on to professional or junior contracts at RMFC then? And let’s not talk naively about the ‘experience’ of it as we know that these junior tournaments organised by the big clubs are there to sign promising talents on the cheap.

                My critique of the award is if its legitimacy and that it is used to justify South’s involvement in the HAL. If it was FIFA-endorsed then by all means, great. But it is not and it should be critiqued by the clubs in NZ and all around Australia who has as much of a claim as South. The FFA Cup has shown the rich history and traditions of many clubs that equal and at times surpass South regardless of whatever metric you wish to use.

                The HAL clubs are only just starting their elite junior journey. Give it a few years but yes we should be on their back about how they do this. It is all football lovers interest that HAL and NPL clubs are pushing considerable resources into youth development. I want Australia to win a World Cup and we do this by having a structured and considered pathway to success for youth through NPL and HAL. Interestingly, on this, the HAL uptake of youth talent from the NPL clubs in Australia is abysmal. Everyone is probably at fault here but we need to see juniors moving to seniors at NPL clubs and we aren’t seeing it to the degree we should in Victoria, not just looking at South.

                Oh and RMFC tournament is paid by club or parents..?

              • September 28th 2017 @ 5:29pm
                Hulk said | September 28th 2017 @ 5:29pm | ! Report

                Stop deflecting. It doesn’t matter of any were signed by RM. What HAL clubs have a partnership with the biggest and most successful club in the history of the planet ?

                The legitimacy is that it helped them form said partnership. You’re going in circles now…

                Yes the HAL clubs are only JUST starting… Says a lot about HAL clubs… AND npl clubs!

                NZ clubs have NOTHING to do with this. They’re hogging a license and offer aus football NOTHING. An aus club in their place, ANY aus club in their place is monumentally more beneficial to us.

                And LOL you want to win a World Cup off the back of 9 aus clubs and a closed league with no pro/rel. Are you nuts? Lol. We would be the first country in history to achieve that with a closed league and no pro rel. This place really is an echo chamber of delusion.

    • September 27th 2017 @ 7:29am
      Axle and the Guru said | September 27th 2017 @ 7:29am | ! Report

      I’m not a big soccer fan, but I use to take a bit of notice of South Melbourne, they were a very tribal bunch and a very successful club and I was astounded they were never included in the A-League, had they been I think they would have had a super rivalry with Melbourne Victory. It was a poor decision not to include this club and still is, I’d even class it unprofessional not to include this club.

      • September 27th 2017 @ 7:41am
        punter said | September 27th 2017 @ 7:41am | ! Report

        If you understood why, you would not think it was a astounding or unprofessional decision.

        • September 28th 2017 @ 4:25pm
          Hulk said | September 28th 2017 @ 4:25pm | ! Report


          Go on enlighten us… Tell us all the reason “why”.

          I need you to help me “understand”

          • September 28th 2017 @ 9:02pm
            punter said | September 28th 2017 @ 9:02pm | ! Report

            It’s very simple, I have followed football in this country since 1974 & never followed the NSL because most clubs were so ethnic base & South Melbourne Hellas one of them. I too came from another land but wanted to follow an Australian club.

      • September 27th 2017 @ 8:02am
        Nemesis said | September 27th 2017 @ 8:02am | ! Report


        Why was it a poor decision? Why do you classify it as an unprofessional decision?

        I suggest you read the Crawford Report?

        I suggest you read the background papers about the drivers & selection criteria that predicated the formation of the new football competition in Australia?

        If you have already done this then I’m baffled that you would think the decision was “poor and unprofessional”.

        I think the decision was inevitable & reasonable.

        But, that was nearly 15 years ago.

        Times change.
        People change.
        The landscape changes.

        I’ve no doubt, South Melbourne – and all ex-NSL clubs still operating – will be linked to the ALeague pyramid within the next 5 years.

        • September 28th 2017 @ 4:27pm
          Hulk said | September 28th 2017 @ 4:27pm | ! Report


          LOL Crawford report..,. You obviously haven’t read it either. The whole league is based on not following it….

          Atleast you’ve stopped worshipping lowy now… That’s one good thing fuss

      • September 27th 2017 @ 7:35pm
        anthony15 said | September 27th 2017 @ 7:35pm | ! Report

        I completely agree. South Melbourne should have been the second Melbourne team as it would have created a true rivalry. Old powerhouse vs modern powerhouse plus establishing a tribal derby with South playing and being based out of the city centre.

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      September 27th 2017 @ 8:19am
      Grobbelaar said | September 27th 2017 @ 8:19am | ! Report

      With a 16 team A-League, and P&R to a 14 team B-League, South will get its chance to be promoted to the A-League at some point down the track.

      • September 28th 2017 @ 12:09pm
        Leonard said | September 28th 2017 @ 12:09pm | ! Report

        Nice to see you using that Melbourne Heart logo – in design terms, it is a brilliant combination of the club’s initials into a heart-like shape: what more could be needed? (Ah, a club, of course!)

        Another Foot Ball club in the Victorian capital also had an equally brilliantly designed logo, the AFL’s Melbourne Demons briefly one which used a cursive ‘M’ in the club’s red and navy blue colours to suggest hellfire. (But the MFC’s teams generally played like imps in that time.)

        Many of today’s ‘world best practice’, ‘cutting edge’ and other BS designs need ten A4 pages to ‘explain’ them – think of the Commonwealth Bank’s cracker biscuit with vegemite corner.

    • September 27th 2017 @ 8:33am
      Nick Symonds said | September 27th 2017 @ 8:33am | ! Report

      “Who’s to say the Greek expat community wouldn’t get behind their team from yesteryear to relive the glory days and new football fans would be discovered too.”


      South East Melbourne – 1.2 million and growing

      Western Melbourne – 717,000 and rapidly growing to a million

      Greater Geelong – 239,000 growing to 320,000 by 2036

      Melbourne’s Greek Community – 150,000

      • September 27th 2017 @ 7:38pm
        anthony15 said | September 27th 2017 @ 7:38pm | ! Report

        You’ve stated the numbers for the respective regions. As you can see Southern Melbourne has over 1 million people which surely can support an A-League franchise. Introducing South Melbourne into the top division would encourage the large population to support a local team. They can wear their same kit and keep their colours, just drop “Hellas” from their name.

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          September 28th 2017 @ 1:16pm
          Kasey said | September 28th 2017 @ 1:16pm | ! Report

          Its a pity FFA didn’t boldly seize the opportunity to marry off Melbourne Heart with South Melbourne. Heart were failing and needed a saviour. SMFC want in to the A-League. I think a marriage of South and Heart could have really worked.

          • September 28th 2017 @ 2:28pm
            mattq said | September 28th 2017 @ 2:28pm | ! Report

            are you serious? you’d rather have the mighty world football political muscle and financial power of south Melbourne over CFG?

            • September 28th 2017 @ 6:01pm
              Kasey said | September 28th 2017 @ 6:01pm | ! Report

              Of course. Luckily for us, we have a salary capped league which severely limits the extent to which CFG can flex their financial muscle and destabilise our competition. So given that, why not have an actual club with actual fans, fans that feel as though there been pushed away from the game at the highest level instead of the green seat elite? A side benefit would be that having them inside the ‘club’ means they’re not outside turning away potential visitors by shouting about how ‘plastic and crap’ it is.

      • September 27th 2017 @ 8:14pm
        northerner said | September 27th 2017 @ 8:14pm | ! Report

        South Melbourne is not in South East Melbourne, at least not according to the ABS census, so the figures for the latter are not really relevant. I can’t see folks in Casey or Dandenong having any particular great bond with Souths when they are working on their own bid for a licence for a team in their actual area.

        • September 28th 2017 @ 4:53pm
          Hulk said | September 28th 2017 @ 4:53pm | ! Report

          A dandy team playing out of aami rivaling city for the green seat elite title will send us backwards.

          Btw I’ve heard that 3 teams playing out of one stadium isn’t accepted by afc… And MV may call etihad home but don’t they play most games out of aami?

          • September 28th 2017 @ 8:07pm
            northerner said | September 28th 2017 @ 8:07pm | ! Report

            Missed the point. . Casey-Dandy may or may not get up, but it does represent the South East. South Melbourne isn’t even in the area, so to claim it has a catchment of a million based on the SE of Melbourne is sheer nonsense. If that’s the argument, South M has lost it. Make a case for the population where the club actually is, because I can pretty much bet that no one in Frankston or Dandy or Springvale has any connection at all to South Melbourne.

            • September 28th 2017 @ 8:33pm
              Hulk said | September 28th 2017 @ 8:33pm | ! Report

              Do you expect that south fans all live in Albert park? Lol

              I’m firstly quashing the laughable idea of a dandy Casey franchise., and a dandy Casey franchise that plays out of aami park..,and with the logic you’ve presented – so have you.

              And yes south have fans in the south, south east, the north, all over Melbourne.. Just like victory do. But I wouldn’t expect an imaginary not yet concieved franchise out in proverbial Geelong that weirdly plays out of Richmond to garner any such interest…not even from folk from narre warren Casey. And certainly not in the numbers that would make them tenable – let alone make aami look even remotely full. Let alone give hal fans anything to be excited about. Or provide the desperate shot in the arm this league needs.

              Lead balloon.

              • September 28th 2017 @ 8:46pm
                Hulk said | September 28th 2017 @ 8:46pm | ! Report

                South are a 60 yo brand. They are one of the most successful clubs in aus football history. They have played in club World Cup. These are things that don’t get erased over night. And these things are what makes them unique to start up franchises and impervious to geographical restrictions.

            • September 29th 2017 @ 8:46pm
              northerner said | September 29th 2017 @ 8:46pm | ! Report

              Oh please. If South Melbourne has masses of support in south-east Melbourne, why is the football community there pushing so hard for their own team? Maybe because that support is a figment of wishful thinking, not reality.

              The reality is, for the south-east, Souths are no more representative of their community than Victory or City. They want a team that speaks to and for them – to impose South Melbourne on them would be as much a confection as expecting them to support Victory.

    • September 27th 2017 @ 8:40am
      Waz said | September 27th 2017 @ 8:40am | ! Report

      1 – so what? and hundreds of teams can provide history so it’s not unique to south.

      2 – agreed. More derbies would save CFGs bacon at city. And Victory v South, what a derby that would be ?

      3. Not a chance. Eurosnobs do not follow south, they follow, err, European leagues.

      4. Roberto Carlos. that ain’t ever happening.

      5. Any club will provide more opportunities for youth so this can’t be used as an argument for south. In fact, more opportunity would suggest the next club should be placed where the larger playing base is which would favour NSWs then QLD

      • September 27th 2017 @ 9:38am
        Nick Symonds said | September 27th 2017 @ 9:38am | ! Report

        “5. Any club will provide more opportunities for youth so this can’t be used as an argument for south. In fact, more opportunity would suggest the next club should be placed where the larger playing base is which would favour NSWs then QLD”

        How about Port Macquarie? They got a crowd of 4,100 to a match between Newcastle and 2 Football Mid North Coast Select sides with a northern zone side in the first half and a southern zone side in the second half.

        Or how about Coffs Harbour who got 7,891 to a regular season match, also featuring Newcastle?

        • September 27th 2017 @ 9:42am
          Waz said | September 27th 2017 @ 9:42am | ! Report

          Point 5 was about creating more opportunities for youth to play, if that is the argument then the club should be placed where the largest youth participation is – NSWs then QLD. So it’s not an argument in favour of South.

      • September 28th 2017 @ 4:38pm
        Hulk said | September 28th 2017 @ 4:38pm | ! Report

        Waz you’re a flip flopper of the highest order.


        Also, the term “eurosnob” is political tool devised/used to push Lowy’s closed league agenda..

        Once u understand this it’s easy to see how “eurosnobs” can support SMFC yet not want a bar of Lowy’s soccer-lite

        • September 28th 2017 @ 4:53pm
          Nemesis said | September 28th 2017 @ 4:53pm | ! Report

          So, let’s be clear.

          You have no regard for Lowy’s soccer-lite but…

          … you are absolutely desperate – I know of no other club in Australia who is as desperate – for SMFC to be part of Lowy’s soccer-lite.

          Is that you @smfcmike?

          • September 28th 2017 @ 5:39pm
            Hulk said | September 28th 2017 @ 5:39pm | ! Report

            No it’s not mike. Mike is doing a service for aus football though.. Unlike people like yourself,,,

            And let me explain this to you like this:

            Lowy and his corrupt FA have hijacked top tier football and are squatting on it.,, wanting-in to top tier, and respecting the aleague are not the same thing

          • September 28th 2017 @ 5:41pm
            Hulk said | September 28th 2017 @ 5:41pm | ! Report

            Nice try I’m not mike pal.

            Lowly and his corrupt FA has hijacked top tier football and is squatting on it. Wanting-in to top tier and respecting Lowy’s model isn’t the same thing.

            Top tier football gives us a path to Asia. That’s all I want.

            Oh yeah and club World Cup.. U know that little tourney we represented AUSTRALIA in?

    • September 27th 2017 @ 9:41am
      j,binnie said | September 27th 2017 @ 9:41am | ! Report

      Anthony 15. A good attempt at causing discussion.
      Here is one point you made under your History heading
      South Melbourne did win 4 NSL championships to equal Sydney City’s 4 but it should also be pointed out that Sydney City only played in the NSL for 10 years during which they won 4 championships and finished second and third in another 3 and won their “conference” twice when that disasterous experiment took place. 9 out of 10 in the top four is hard to beat.
      Souths on the other hand played in the NSL for its 27 year life span winning the title 4 times but one of those was a “conference” victory.. The club also had 4 second positions but the rest of their results could be described as “average” their worst position, last, in season 1979.
      Whoever voted them the “Oceania team of the century” surely did so with their tongues firmly in their cheeks.cheers jb

      • September 27th 2017 @ 10:52am
        Nick Symonds said | September 27th 2017 @ 10:52am | ! Report

        I’m surprised that anyone would hold up “Oceania team of the century” as an accolade.

        That’s almost like being declared the South American cricket team of the century. Impressive in a local context but not that big a deal to anybody else.

        • September 27th 2017 @ 5:11pm
          Newie said | September 27th 2017 @ 5:11pm | ! Report

          Ha ha tell Mark van Aken of DFS that!!

      • September 28th 2017 @ 6:01pm
        Hulk said | September 28th 2017 @ 6:01pm | ! Report


        That award got us a partnership with Real Madrid.

        That should firmly remove your tongue from your cheek.

        • September 29th 2017 @ 8:07am
          j,binnie said | September 29th 2017 @ 8:07am | ! Report

          Hulk – What did that “award” cover,was it the chance for Roberto Carlos to become coach???
          By the way I did not award the title so my tongue was never in my cheek.Re-read please. jb

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