Another fake news flag for Victoria unfairly won at the MCG

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    I’m an Adelaide Crows fan and I’m pissed off. For the fourth year in a row, a non-Victorian team has been robbed of winning the premiership by the AFL’s biased insistence on playing every grand final at the MCG.

    The last four grand finals in a row have all seen interstate teams who finished higher on the ladder forced to play what should have been their home grand final at the MCG for no reason other than the AFL’s continued commitment to giving Victorian sides a leg up wherever possible.

    It has resulted in four consecutive grand final losses for non-Vic sides, despite all of them going in as favourites of the day. Coincidence? My fat arse it is.

    Sydney in 2014, West Coast in 2015 and now my Crows have all been beaten badly on the big stage because they clearly weren’t able to maintain their intensity and gameplan when moving to a ground they almost never get the chance to play at.

    Matt Crouch Adelaide Crows AFL Grand Final 2017

    (AAP Image/Julian Smith)

    In the case of all three sides they won two finals at home to make it through to the grand final and in doing so built up a comfortable rhythm of playing at their home ground and winning while doing so.

    As the teams that finished higher on the ladder in those years they had a right to maintain that rhythm with another game at home but instead were forced into a break in momentum which badly damaged their form and robbed them of a real chance to win the flag.

    You can’t tell me that the Crows wouldn’t have slaughtered the Tigers by ten goals minimum if yesterday’s grand final had been played at Adelaide Oval, where it rightly should’ve been – we already did that earlier this year!

    Instead a big Victorian club got spoonfed a premiership gifted three finals in a row at the MCG despite having earned the right to a home ground advantage in only one of them. Pathetic!

    The AFL – which is really still just the VFL – may want non-Vic teams in the competition to ensure a nation-wide market to put TV advertising in front of, but it draws the line at us having a fair and equal chance to win the flag.

    Perhaps it’s time for a breakaway comp featuring the eight non-Vic sides where the highest qualifier hosts the grand final every year, as the rule always should be. It would be a higher quality competition than the one left behind.

    That way the VFL can be guaranteed a Victorian winner every single year, and won’t they just be over the moon with that?

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    • October 1st 2017 @ 11:05am
      fairsuckofthesav said | October 1st 2017 @ 11:05am | ! Report

      I like and share your ANGER buddy. The favourite gets beaten by 8 goals. in fact an 18 goal turn around from when they last met. You have to ask why? Yeah yeah Tigers brought it we didn’t etc. I like the comment from another poster on this site;

      Studies have shown that home ground advantage translates to significant umpiring advantages and higher levels of confidence, competence and testosterone in home ground teams.

      And it is clear this has occurred over the last two years if not more.

      Yes time for the interstate teams to demand change from the Melbourne-based fat controllers.

      • October 1st 2017 @ 11:17am
        Rex said | October 1st 2017 @ 11:17am | ! Report

        Demand more change of the AFL in favour of the clubs outside Victoria – bwahahaha!

        That’s reserved for the two sides in Sydney.

        SA / WA clubs can all suffer as far as the VFL / AFL is concerned!

        Vic media, administration, umpires, MRP – don’t tell me for a second this is an unbiased comp!

        • October 3rd 2017 @ 10:16am
          Ben Copeland said | October 3rd 2017 @ 10:16am | ! Report

          You people who feel Adelaide got a raw deal are correct that the AFL is a joke. It’s not the fact that the Grand Final is held at the MCG that makes it a joke though. It’s the fact that the umpiring is obviously completely biased towards whoever the league wants to win. And they decide who that is by whom will make them the most money so the directors of this league, which is totally fixed, will profit the most.
          So sorry Adelaide Crows, the league had decided prior to the opening bounce that whether they finish 1st or 2nd that the revenue to AFL will not change. Whereas Richmond – Boom. A flag means automatically extra bums on seats and hundreds of thousands of extra bums at that. On reserve on demand matches in home and away where they can sell tickets for a massively inflated price.
          AFL is a fraudulent competition and I am thoroughly disgusted at what they have turned the VFL into. It used to be a great competition with fair draw and umpiring. Now it is a biased joke. But not just the home ground. The umpiring is clearly rigged way too often and it is now totally offensive to watch. Sad but true.

      • October 1st 2017 @ 11:27am
        Kevo said | October 1st 2017 @ 11:27am | ! Report

        2016 Swans played as often at MCG as Bulldogs it is not Bulldogs home ground. You want to make it a home ground get more supporters there that’s what influences more on the day. When teams join AFL they join on basis GF is at MCG – what do you do with the 50,000 plus who cannot get in in Adelaide, Sydney, more in Brisbane and Perth?

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          October 2nd 2017 @ 10:14am
          Pedro The Fisherman said | October 2nd 2017 @ 10:14am | ! Report

          So lets start a new league! Perhaps James Packer or Lachlan Murdpoch can help?

        • October 2nd 2017 @ 11:03am
          Aransan said | October 2nd 2017 @ 11:03am | ! Report

          Simple really, just exclude the corporates and hangers on and restrict 90% of the seats to members of the competing teams. That way you will get more genuine supporters to see the GF in a ground with only half the capacity.

        • October 2nd 2017 @ 3:39pm
          Damien said | October 2nd 2017 @ 3:39pm | ! Report

          “…what do you do with the 50,000 plus who cannot get in in Adelaide, Sydney, more in Brisbane and Perth?

          An important point you raise here Kevo. The problem with the Grand Final is that 66% of the seats at the MCG are already allocated before the two teams make the Grand Final. A paltry 34,000 members of the two clubs that made the GF were able to access this measly allocation.

          The MCC member and AFL member allocation is ridiculous. You could hold the GF at the Gabba with a 40,000 seat capacity and still more fans of competing clubs could get tickets than what they can currently get at the MCG. Now that really is a disgrace.

          As of next year Perth will have a 60,000 seat venue which is expandable to 70,000. Imagine the two competing clubs having access to 30,000 plus tickets each. Now that would be a spectacle.

          I’m not a Crows fan but hearing them getting booed when they came onto the ground on Saturday was a disgrace. Their fans should have been able to get hold of more tickets. Simple as that.

      • October 1st 2017 @ 1:25pm
        Peter Zitterschlager said | October 1st 2017 @ 1:25pm | ! Report

        There were 30,000+ Crows fans there yesterday … Home ground advantage really is more about having the whole ground supporting you or batting on turning decks in India, to you use cricket parlance. Not so much a factor when you have your fans there.

      • October 1st 2017 @ 5:01pm
        Col in paradise said | October 1st 2017 @ 5:01pm | ! Report

        How about making no clubs have the MCG as a home ground !!!! And then play only finals their – all finals

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          October 2nd 2017 @ 10:16am
          Pedro The Fisherman said | October 2nd 2017 @ 10:16am | ! Report

          Yep – that would work. Get rid of Richmond etc from the MCG and make the ground truly neutral. You could share (evenly) games on the MCG for the season – 1 game per week with a couple of blockbuster matches thrown in but no team gets any more than 1 game more than any other club in the competition.

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            October 2nd 2017 @ 2:43pm
            Anthony said | October 2nd 2017 @ 2:43pm | ! Report

            I hear what you are saying. The problem is the MCG is like it’s own cities. Thousands of people have jobs there.

            No, I think we need to keep the MCG as part of the finals, but expand to 3 games.

            http://www.theroar.com.au/2017/10/01/time-best-three-grand-final-series/

            Scroll/up down this thread for more details but basically.
            Game 1. Highest finishes home deck.
            Game 2. MCG
            Game 3. Highest finishes home deck when playing an MCG opponent, or the ground of the lowest placed finalist for non-MCG teams.

            MCC and AFL should think dollars signs. Every few years an MCG team will play an MCG team. That is three MCG grands finals. A cash bonanza like the Collingwood-St Kilda double final.

            They would just need to cap distances players run from a player welfare perspective.

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              October 2nd 2017 @ 2:44pm
              Anthony said | October 2nd 2017 @ 2:44pm | ! Report

              Like a State of Origin Series, but if a team wins in Game 2, the series is over.

      • October 1st 2017 @ 5:57pm
        Stevo said | October 1st 2017 @ 5:57pm | ! Report

        Please look at Saints vs Tigers 2 games in 7 weeks. Think you’ll also find it was an 18 goal turn around.

        Adelaide cracked under pressure. How does a team with the best forward line in the competition only kick 1 goal in 1/2 a game. The team of champions were beaten by a champion team who have by far the best defence,

        • October 1st 2017 @ 7:55pm
          Fairsuckofthesav said | October 1st 2017 @ 7:55pm | ! Report

          No. Even Richmond players have come out and said they used their home ground to advantage . Let’s see how Richmond fare if they play at AO in a final next year. They got smashed by Port when they had to leave the MCG in a final recently.

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            October 1st 2017 @ 9:42pm
            Peppsy said | October 1st 2017 @ 9:42pm | ! Report

            You mean that time a team that weren’t good enough to make finals played against a team that was a serious premiership threat? Yeah that was 3 years ago buddy, tons changed.

            Look out for Fremantle next year, they were minor premiers recently!

          • October 2nd 2017 @ 7:56am
            Milo said | October 2nd 2017 @ 7:56am | ! Report

            Richmond smashed Port at AO this year.

          • October 2nd 2017 @ 5:12pm
            OpenyourotherEye said | October 2nd 2017 @ 5:12pm | ! Report

            Some of the comments here show the true fishbowl of your minds. Boo hoo haven’t had an interstate winner for a while. Am sure when Brisbane started a six year run of non Victorian winners times were tough. The complaints then especially when two non Victorian teams competing the parade should be elsewhere. NSW sets up academies with priorities over all players, as does Qld, SA has priority over its state as does WA yet Vic has 10 teams to divide by and take the scraps from the rest. Yep hard done by, SA didn’t want Graham 3 goals and totally destroyed Sloane when he moved onto him in the 2nd quarter. MCG has a 20 year contract and do not goad yourselves into thinking that in SA, WA or anywhere else corporates will get 40 percent of the allocation leaving how many seats in either of those places. The better team won with no names that other teams wouldn’t take played to a process.

            • October 2nd 2017 @ 7:38pm
              Damien said | October 2nd 2017 @ 7:38pm | ! Report

              MCG has a 20 year contract.

              I was waiting for this chestnut to come up. What a convenient contract that is by the way. Would love to know how the AFL Commission was acting in the best interests of the national game when that was signed.

              Fortunately, we live in a world where contracts are broken regularly. If Gary Ablett doesn’t break his contract he will be playing for Gold Coast next season.

              • October 2nd 2017 @ 8:11pm
                OpenyourotherEye said | October 2nd 2017 @ 8:11pm | ! Report

                Is a difference between a corporate contract in the real world and player contracts. The MCC had the AFL over a barrel when it was signed I will not disagree. Home ground advantage is the biggest rubbish excuse for a team that simply didn’t show up were arguing with each other. Not to mention how many other teams share the ground but hey let’s play the game in Perth where there is no Infrastructure to get to the ground or from the car park or Adelaide where there is a long history of not even turning up to their own finals. Actually playing in Adelaide might be better maybe then some of the other 100000 that wanted to get into the game in Victoria could have. I was at the game and thought the Adelaide crowd was just as loud as the Richmond crowd, especially in the first quarter.

            • October 4th 2017 @ 12:32am
              Chris Mav said | October 4th 2017 @ 12:32am | ! Report

              Agreed to some extent. MCG is great for the GF. However the majority of the tickets must go to the higher finishing teams members. Then distribute the rest.
              Also you can’t tell me the umpires didn’t hand the dogs the GF last year!! The most ridiculous calls in AFL history were made to make sure the dogs won!! Not saying they wouldn’t have won anyway, they very well could have but having the umpires hand them the title as blatant as they did is just not on!!

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          October 2nd 2017 @ 2:46pm
          Anthony said | October 2nd 2017 @ 2:46pm | ! Report

          You are correct Stevo, Tigers have a fantastic defence, ESPECIALLY at the MCG. But would that defence have been as effective at the Adelaide Oval. The jury is out.

      • October 1st 2017 @ 10:13pm
        PiratesRugby said | October 1st 2017 @ 10:13pm | ! Report

        The MCG is the home of football. It fits 100,000 fans. You want play the final in Adelaide or Perth? Maybe GWS’s home ground.

        • October 6th 2017 @ 12:32pm
          King Bob said | October 6th 2017 @ 12:32pm | ! Report

          It isn’t the home of Aussie Rules.
          The MCG is a cricket ground and is designed for cricket and athletics. It is a circle not an oval.
          Its dimensions are substantially different to all other AFL ovals. It should be marked out in a similar manner to other grounds so there isn’t such a deviation.

          Ben you’re right the AFL is a joke. They run the competition as an amateur sport and manipulate the results with their scheduling, rules and MRP.

          Most fans want a fair Australian game. They want the game to grow and become greater than the VFL.
          This means GF at the highest team home ground whether this is Geelong, Perth, Sydney etc. The fans and teams deserve a local GF.

          The ground size is less important than the fairness of the competition.

      • October 2nd 2017 @ 8:32am
        Jay Biggs said | October 2nd 2017 @ 8:32am | ! Report

        Your team wasn’t good enough on the day. Arrogant and thought they had it won. Maybe just play a ‘show down’ against your mates Port Adelaide every week.

        • October 2nd 2017 @ 9:02pm
          Fairsuckofthesav said | October 2nd 2017 @ 9:02pm | ! Report

          Who’s being arrogant now.

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        October 2nd 2017 @ 2:20pm
        Anthony said | October 2nd 2017 @ 2:20pm | ! Report

        This is far more than a normal home ground advantage. It is ALSO the MCG ground dimensions. No other code has such wildly different playing ground dimensions.

        The MCG is a fat ground. The Adelaide Oval a skinny ground. Simonds Stadium is even skinnier.

      • October 3rd 2017 @ 7:39pm
        Bill said | October 3rd 2017 @ 7:39pm | ! Report

        So if what you say is correct, inter state clubs and Geelong get an unfair advantage during home and away games as compared to the other Victorian clubs which means their ladder position is inflated than would otherwise be the case. Perhaps that is why they flop when they are asked to play at the G because their ladder position is not a true reflection of where the club should really sit as compared to other clubs that don’t have a true home ground advantage such as Melbourne, Richmond, Collingwood and other Victorian clubs that have Etihad as a home ground. It seems Adelaide wants to have it both ways. Don’t forget, Adelaide finished half a game (2points) ahead of Richmond and GWS and same points as Geelong. Adelaide just belted clubs pretty much at home where as you say, the get the advantage of the home ground. Hardly a dominating season. Get over it and face the fact that when it mattered, Adelaide did not step up.

    • October 1st 2017 @ 11:15am
      Mattyb said | October 1st 2017 @ 11:15am | ! Report

      Good point about rhythm Owen. The calls about the VFL centric nature of the GF is certainly growing louder by the year,and is also being accompanied by increased toy throwing from the Victorian cots as we hang on to our feelings of entitlement,we did graciously appoint ourselves as the sporting capital of the world after all,and as we know,the most prestigious of all awards are those you appoint to yourself.
      The expansion into a national competition was the right one,it’s time the competition went national rather than the current expanded VFL competition.
      If the VFL didn’t want to expand into a genuine national comp it should never have invited interstate clubs into the competition,the reason they did invite other clubs is very interesting and often forgotten.

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        October 1st 2017 @ 9:51pm
        Peppsy said | October 1st 2017 @ 9:51pm | ! Report

        http://www.smh.com.au/sport/melbourne-named-worlds-sporting-capital-20160420-gobebk.html

        SportBusiness is a London based company, don’t see how melbourne awarded themselves with an award from a company from England.

        It says a lot about how biased you are that you equate one side of the argument to babies so you don’t have to seriously consider their points. Maybe if you had any argument other than “Victoria is bad because bad” you wouldn’t come off as an arrogant, self righteous man child.

    • October 1st 2017 @ 11:17am
      Brian said | October 1st 2017 @ 11:17am | ! Report

      The all time record is still 8-8.

      Vic teams won 1991, 1996, 2007, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017. Vic teams lost 1992, 1994, 1997, 1998, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2012.

      So it hardly seems to be the deciding factor

      • October 1st 2017 @ 11:29am
        Rex said | October 1st 2017 @ 11:29am | ! Report

        Your stats are grossly distorted due to the period 01 – 06 when every premier was a non Victorian club.

        This is when the Victorian media went on an all time sook fest demanding Victorian success
        Since then the AFL has helped ensure this happens!!

        • October 1st 2017 @ 12:01pm
          Mattyb said | October 1st 2017 @ 12:01pm | ! Report

          Brian,I can understand your point but it needs to be remembered that the Eagles of the 90s were a super strong team and Brisbane were the best team of the modern era.
          There’s no doubt the interstate teams face unfair obstacles to win,but yes they can win. The fact clubs can overcome obstacless regarding the rules doesn’t neccasarily mean we don’t have a problem.

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          October 1st 2017 @ 1:22pm
          JamesH said | October 1st 2017 @ 1:22pm | ! Report

          They aren’t distorted because he hasn’t counted years where interstate clubs played each other (2004-06). Brisbane also finished below their eventual opponent in 01 and 03 and won as the away team, as did Sydney in 2012.

          I agree that it’s unfair and I understand your anger, but it’s not bias. It’s $$$$, splashed with a bit of tradition and garnished with the fact that more fans get to attend.

          If Adelaide Oval could hold 100k people then the AFL would probably at least consider holding a GF there at some point in the future. It can’t, so they won’t. There is just no other venue like the ‘G. Every club knows it and simply has to deal with it.

          • October 1st 2017 @ 5:42pm
            Col in paradise said | October 1st 2017 @ 5:42pm | ! Report

            It’s the increasing bias of the umpires which is the issue – especially 2016 and now 17 …the VFL fairytale years !!!

            • October 2nd 2017 @ 11:54am
              KN Dole said | October 2nd 2017 @ 11:54am | ! Report

              Codswollop! Over the course of the season Richmond came up last on the frees for and against list. In the finals it was the same except for the GF when it was 24:19 in the Tiges favour. At least try to take your blinkers off and get your facts right.

              • October 2nd 2017 @ 9:04pm
                Fairsuckofthesav said | October 2nd 2017 @ 9:04pm | ! Report

                Boy if you didn’t think the Tigers got a good run on the 50 50s in the first half of the GF then your blinkers are well and truly fixed on.

              • October 2nd 2017 @ 9:12pm
                OpenyourotherEye said | October 2nd 2017 @ 9:12pm | ! Report

                Clearly fairsuck what your saying is for the crows to win they need the umpires assisting them like they did all season to win? By the way now you mention 50s how many were the Tigers given?

              • October 4th 2017 @ 8:33pm
                Fairsuckofthesav said | October 4th 2017 @ 8:33pm | ! Report

                No just a fair deal. Tigers would probably have still won but it would have been a closer game.

            • October 2nd 2017 @ 12:16pm
              Aransan said | October 2nd 2017 @ 12:16pm | ! Report

              I thought the Bulldogs had some advantage from the umpires last year in the GF but that it didn’t affect the result. The umpires did an excellent job this year, it is important that the best and most experienced umpires are given the GF.

      • October 1st 2017 @ 12:44pm
        Shane said | October 1st 2017 @ 12:44pm | ! Report

        Brian, ten of the last 11 winners have been Victorian. Many of the interstate victories were uber teams that had draft concessions. WCE mid 90s, Adelaide late 90s, Brisbane and Port early 2000s. If you look at the talent in those teams they should have won more GFs. I think Richmond were deserving winners this year and had a great season. However, they did have an undeserved home ground advantage throughout the finals. I cannot see GWS winning a premiership, they have a uber team but won’t even have a crowd/umpiring advantage if they play Sydney, Collingwood, Richmond etc at home. They were lucky this year to host the WCE. Their players are leaving because they know this, which brings us to another issue interstate teams face.

        • October 1st 2017 @ 2:18pm
          Dier-ba-zor said | October 1st 2017 @ 2:18pm | ! Report

          So according to you Etihad stadium doesn’t exist.

        • October 2nd 2017 @ 7:30am
          Tricky said | October 2nd 2017 @ 7:30am | ! Report

          Any team west of the Murray have never ever had concessions from HQ – ever!

      • October 1st 2017 @ 12:51pm
        Pat Clarey said | October 1st 2017 @ 12:51pm | ! Report

        Good point Brian. As a Swans supporter I have seen the 2 premierships and the loss last year at The G. I see the point you are making with your stats, these are finals where it was Vic team vs Interstate team, I hope others work it out. To be honest Melbourne is the home of AFL and Sydney the home of NRL, may the grannies stay where they are. Melbourne and Sydney have the biggest stadiums. Before the Olympic Stadium (ANZ) was built the League Grand Finals were played at the Sydney Football Stadium (Allianz) and prior to that the SCG, both hold officially 40K+. So if we move to a home ground advantage situation in either code it would mean that 30-50k people could miss out on a great spectacle.

        Also imagine in AFL the prelims are played, for argument sake, Sydney vs WCE and Adelaide vs Brisbane, the AFL having to be in all sorts of communications with 4 different stadiums, State and Local Governments working on logistics a week before the GF, no it just doesn’t work for me.

        Just another point, I’ve been told by a friend that the VFL was broke and that is why it went national with the interstate clubs having to pay quite a bit of money to join. Obviously this wasn’t the case for the Swans, they were sent up here for them to survive.

        • October 1st 2017 @ 3:12pm
          Kelly Andrews said | October 1st 2017 @ 3:12pm | ! Report

          Very good point Pat. In an ideal world the GF would be played at the home ground of the highest placed team. However there are so many difficulties logistically in doing this that it’s just not practical. The only real possibility of the GF being played anywhere other than the MCG is if the venue was decided 12 months in advance. However as the MCG is by far the largest stadium in Australia, this is where the GF will remain for the foreseeable future. No matter where yesterday’s game was played, Richmond would have won. Martin, Rance, Cotchin, Houli were all better than the best Crow (M Crouch) then Prestia, Caddy, Lambert then daylight to the next best Crow.

          • October 1st 2017 @ 8:55pm
            Rex said | October 1st 2017 @ 8:55pm | ! Report

            You’re most likely correct – Richmond were the far better side yesterday and fully deserved their win.
            If they were able to do this at the higher ranked sides home deck, like the AFC had to do in 97 / 98 then all the sweeter!
            All we’re saying is richmond should have HAD to play at the HIGHER ranked sides home deck!

          • October 2nd 2017 @ 4:54am
            664 the neighbour of the beast said | October 2nd 2017 @ 4:54am | ! Report

            Play the game at the home ground of the team that finishes highest on the ladder…people watching on TV and the integity of the game is more important than those attending….it’s ridiculous and still shows it’s Victorian eccentric!!! Especially with the umpires….it’s a joke!

            • October 2nd 2017 @ 1:42pm
              Leonard said | October 2nd 2017 @ 1:42pm | ! Report

              About time that boring old whinge of “it’s a joke!” was delisted. It has always lacked credibility in putting a case, only turning up when a cerebrally-challenged sneer was given a run ‘coz real arguments had stayed home.

              Actually, the only other point to make about “it’s a joke!” is this: it’s a joke!

          • October 2nd 2017 @ 4:21pm
            Damien said | October 2nd 2017 @ 4:21pm | ! Report

            If we apply your logic that “…the MCG is by far the largest stadium in Australia, this is where the GF will remain for the foreseeable future.” then the Super Bowl would always be held at Michigan Stadium because it holds 107,000 people and is the biggest stadium in the US.

            But no, despite having a population that is about 14 times that of Australia, they have held the Super Bowl at stadiums with a capacity of approximately 68,000 (Super Bowl 46, February 2012).

            So let’s get real about this discussion. The AFL is a Victorian centric competition that looks after its own. It is arguably the most compromised professional sporting competition on the face of the planet.

            It is an absolute disgrace that only 34,000 fans of the competing clubs can access a ticket to the game. The MCC members most likely has 90%+ Victorian membership and the AFL membership is most likely very similar.

            The competition is provincial.

            • October 2nd 2017 @ 9:00pm
              Fairsuckofthesav said | October 2nd 2017 @ 9:00pm | ! Report

              Well said a provincial and parochial gerrymander that as the West Coast player said is controlled by the old boy VFL.

        • October 1st 2017 @ 8:52pm
          Rex said | October 1st 2017 @ 8:52pm | ! Report

          Who cares about biggest stadiums – that’s not in question. The fact is participating clubs only received 35k of allocation yesterday which easily fits into AO and leaves 20k for the AFL’s all important corporates. The 30k MCC members don’t need to be catered for.

          At the end of the day the AFL care about money, that’s all, and the biggest money generator for the AFL is TV.
          Any fans who don’t fit into AO can always watch it on TV – just like I, a 21 year silver member of the AFC was forced to do yesterday because I couldn’t get a ticket!!!

        • October 2nd 2017 @ 7:33am
          Tricky said | October 2nd 2017 @ 7:33am | ! Report

          “Just another point, I’ve been told by a friend that the VFL was broke and that is why it went national with the interstate clubs having to pay quite a bit of money to join. Obviously this wasn’t the case for the Swans, they were sent up here for them to survive.”

          Not exactly, the WAFC bailed out the VFL in exchange for a licence for a team in the VFL enter the WC Eagles

          • October 2nd 2017 @ 7:41pm
            DrWildare said | October 2nd 2017 @ 7:41pm | ! Report

            There have been numerous suggestions over the years that expansion by the then VFL arose out of financial necessity. While there is no doubt there were a number of clubs suffering financially. The license fees weren’t viewed as necessary to bail out the VFL itself but the various VFL clubs.

            Many also forget that when the VFL expanded it was originally intended that there would be a rationalisation of clubs in Victoria this never occurred.9

            • October 2nd 2017 @ 8:07pm
              Aransan said | October 2nd 2017 @ 8:07pm | ! Report

              The VFL had to go national because TV has become national although largely broadcast out of Sydney. The competition would be stronger with fewer clubs in Melbourne but the AFL has learned from experience that there is no way of forcing this.

            • October 3rd 2017 @ 4:23am
              Tricky said | October 3rd 2017 @ 4:23am | ! Report

              Yeah correct not the league itself but some clubs that’s true, however the VFL may (I emphasise may) have dwindled with less teams in it – that’s what I was alluding to

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          October 2nd 2017 @ 2:14pm
          Anthony said | October 2nd 2017 @ 2:14pm | ! Report

          Best of three Grand Finals series please!!
          http://www.theroar.com.au/2017/10/01/time-best-three-grand-final-series/

          Everyone is a winner then. The AFL, the MCC, the interstate teams and also teams like the Tigers. The Tigers will always have a question mark over their flag because of the MCG bias they received when they did not earn this right as other teams in competition must. Three home finals in a row when a team finishes third. Come on, what the hell is going on?

      • October 1st 2017 @ 2:03pm
        Rod said | October 1st 2017 @ 2:03pm | ! Report

        It’s interesting to see that the interstate teams won the GF before an intense period of ‘equalisation’ was implemented by the AFL. The Vic. teams won from 2013 – 2017 where, with all things being much more equal, home ground advantage becomes a factor. I think that was also borne out by blow-out margins to winning home teams in the lead up finals this year with WCE v Port being the only exception. I know Geelong was the home team against Richmond but it was played at the MCG, Richmond’s home ground. I reckon it’s worth watching to see if it becomes something of a trend, as equalisation is maintained.
        Thursday, September 07
        Adelaide Crows 12.12 (84) GWS Giants6.12 (48) AO
        Friday, September 08
        Geelong Cats 5.10 (40) Richmond13.13 (91) MCG
        Saturday, September 09
        Sydney Swans 19.7 (121) Essendon 8.8 (56) SCG
        Port Adelaide10.16 (76) West Coast Eagles12.6 (78) AO
        Friday, September 15
        Geelong Cats 15.8 (98) Sydney Swans 5.9 (39) MCG
        Saturday, September 16
        GWS Giants 19.11 (125) West Coast Eagles 9.4 (58) SPO
        Friday, September 22
        Adelaide Crows 21.10 (136) Geelong Cats 10.15 (75) AO
        Saturday, September 23
        Richmond 15.13 (103) GWS Giants 9.13 (67) MCG

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        October 2nd 2017 @ 2:31pm
        Anthony said | October 2nd 2017 @ 2:31pm | ! Report

        Look closer though.

        You can’t include the Lions in those statistics as they were a merged club. That was a big factor in winning three titles. Had the Bears and Fitzroy not merged, there is no 3-peat. So scratch out the Essendon and x2 Collingwood GFs.

        So the record is 8-5.

        Now you need to factor in the expansion of the competition and ground dimensions. Non-Victorian teams now play less games at the MCG than ever before. Princes Park was also changed to Docklands in 2000. Princes park had an MCG equivalent ground size. Docklands is a skinny ground. This meant that there was even less opportunity for teams from interstate (and Carlton/St Kilda/Essendon) to play on MCG equivalent ground dimensions.

        So it is probably more like 8-2. Definetly a deciding factor.

    • October 1st 2017 @ 11:22am
      Bill C said | October 1st 2017 @ 11:22am | ! Report

      I’d love to see the GF played at a neutral venue, but the reality is that there’s not another ground with the capacity to hold it.

      Since 1987, there have been 11 non-Victorian premiers. So it’s not as though it’s mission impossible for interstate teams.

      Your team was beaten by the better team on the day.

      That’s a fact.

      Some teams turn up on the day and their fans can rejoice, some don’t turn up and their fans cry into their beer.

      • October 1st 2017 @ 11:32am
        Mitcher said | October 1st 2017 @ 11:32am | ! Report

        I am a Swans fan from Sydney who is 100% happy with the Grand Final being at its traditional home the MCG till the end of time.

        But this oft trotted out line that there has to be a 100,000 capacity ground to hold it is utter rubbish. Why is this a particular threshold?

        For example, Champions League finals and World Cup finals have been played in smaller venues and these are much bigger events with far greater demand for tickets.

        There are many great arguments for remaining at the MCG, but this isn’t one of them.

        • October 1st 2017 @ 12:54pm
          Shane said | October 1st 2017 @ 12:54pm | ! Report

          Yep, but I have travelled the World over and there is no city as parochial as Melbourne. Talk about mutton dressed as lamb. Who smeared lipstick on that butt ugly pig? The MCG is as ugly as sin, a tribute to concrete brutalism, on purely aesthetic grounds the GF should be moved. How cool would a Hobart or Darwin GF be? Melbourne will always be a hole because it is devoid of collective self-awareness. The game and the fans will be the winner if the GF moves.

          • October 1st 2017 @ 2:42pm
            asd said | October 1st 2017 @ 2:42pm | ! Report

            indeed

          • October 1st 2017 @ 7:43pm
            Paul said | October 1st 2017 @ 7:43pm | ! Report

            You haven’t traveled much then. I was in Buenos Aires for 2 years and i have never ever seen the level of passion from sports fans like I have in any other city.

            And they dont need 100k capacity stadiums to hold finals. The River Plate stadium is similar to the G and the final game of the round which normally decides the champion isnt played there UNLESS its a River home game. Nor is La Bombonera, which holds half of the people the MCG does, not used for final games involving Boca.

            When they play a libertadores game, they play them on home ground of the team, even in a final. They dont schedule a final between Boca vs Olimpiadad at River Plate stadium, they play it at Bocas home ground. Same goes for say Racing Club etc etc.

            Its just greed from the AFL. Nothing more, nothing less. Its just sad that people are so addicted to this code that the AFL can do as it pleases and people keep showing up. People keep handing over 1000s each year to support a code that is fixed.

            Just for one season i would love for AFL fans to actually protest the AFL by not showing up. But the AFL have emotionally manipulated the fans into thinking their clubs will die if they don’t hand over their hard working cash for membership.

            Its frustrating to watch.

          • October 2nd 2017 @ 8:41am
            Jay Biggs said | October 2nd 2017 @ 8:41am | ! Report

            Yes many of us have travelled the world over. Well done Shane.
            I have been to Adelaide for a game and I suggest that they win the parochial stakes hands down.

        • October 1st 2017 @ 1:00pm
          Daz said | October 1st 2017 @ 1:00pm | ! Report

          Like the FA cup final is always played at wembley, the Grand Final should always be played at the MCG.

          • October 1st 2017 @ 1:22pm
            Andrew said | October 1st 2017 @ 1:22pm | ! Report

            Wembly isn’t any clubs home ground though. It a neutral stadium.

            • October 1st 2017 @ 6:06pm
              13th Man said | October 1st 2017 @ 6:06pm | ! Report

              It’s Spurs home ground (although they are playing better away at the moment)

              • October 1st 2017 @ 7:15pm
                Matto said | October 1st 2017 @ 7:15pm | ! Report

                Its spurs temporary home ground.

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                October 2nd 2017 @ 2:14pm
                Pedro The Fisherman said | October 2nd 2017 @ 2:14pm | ! Report

                Google can’t always be trusted to give you the full story 13th Man.

        • October 1st 2017 @ 1:15pm
          Bill C said | October 1st 2017 @ 1:15pm | ! Report

          Lets have it Manuka then, it’s between Sydney and Melbourne, so everyone’s a winner.

          it only holds 15,000, but that doesn’t matter, does it.

          • October 1st 2017 @ 2:29pm
            Shane said | October 1st 2017 @ 2:29pm | ! Report

            Except Bill barely anyone in Canberra follows AFL. I happened to be passing through Canberra when the Swans played GWS in a final and could not find one place to watch the game. You would not know it was on. I stopped by a bottleshop and the guy working there had it on the TV. Said he was originally from Richmond and used to follow the AFL but since living in Canberra for years only watches the odd game. He reckoned it was a non-event in Canberra. He couldn’t even give me directions to Manuka Oval. The Toorak based AFL mafia would not understand this as they lack any awareness of the game on a national level. It was the same when I was holidaying in Hobart during the 2014 GF. Even though the Tassie Hawks (sic) were playing you would not know it was on. It is just like Rome before the Reformation, absolutely no idea that people away from the crucible of power are disaffected. I assume Bill that you only eat meat and three veg, watch 1960s BBC comedies and are supporting the ‘No’ vote because marriage is between a man and a woman. Change with the times mate. Yes, the grand final has always been at that indiscriminate pour of concrete called the MCG (oh, how Grocon would be proud!) but it does not ‘always’ have to be there, get your skates on and see there is a nation outside of Melbourne. Stadiums at Ballarat, Darwin, Hobart, Launceston, Canberra and Alice Springs are small but hosting games there has been a winner. Should the AFL go back to hosting games at suburban Melbourne grounds? Most definitely. They are smaller but have ten times the atmosphere of Etihad. Rotating the GF every few years if that creates the odd neutral ground would be a winner for fans across the nation. Maybe one year Sydney will finish 8th and play in the GF against the 1st placed Richmond at a pre-determined SCG. Will that create an unfair advantage. Yes. I guess you Melbourne fans will just have to get over it.

            • October 1st 2017 @ 3:28pm
              Kelly Andrews said | October 1st 2017 @ 3:28pm | ! Report

              Shane you have no idea what you are talking about. I live in Canberra and can assure you there is plenty of interest in AFL. You say you happened to be passing through Canberra and couldn’t find a place to watch the game. I was in New York recently and couldn’t find a toilet. The only logical conclusion is that there aren’t any toilets in New York.

            • October 1st 2017 @ 4:21pm
              Bill C said | October 1st 2017 @ 4:21pm | ! Report

              There’s not much in your comment that’s worth responding to Shane.

              I’m not sure if you’re serious, but none of the places you’ve listed would ever be given any consideration as alternatives to the MCG as a venue for the Grand Final.

          • October 3rd 2017 @ 4:28am
            Tricky said | October 3rd 2017 @ 4:28am | ! Report

            Love the sarcasm, hahahaha!

        • October 1st 2017 @ 4:20pm
          Mike Dixon said | October 1st 2017 @ 4:20pm | ! Report

          Supply and demand … biggest and best stadium in the country so you use it. Let’s hold a Test match at a suburban ground and see how that goes down ….

          Nothing approaches it

      • October 1st 2017 @ 4:20pm
        Brendon said | October 1st 2017 @ 4:20pm | ! Report

        Out of those 11 premierships quite a few were between 2 non-Victorian teams and quite often 2 non-Melbourne teams. Both of the Eagles 90’s premierships were against Geelong which is a non-Melbourne team. Only 5 of those 11 premierships by non Vic teams were against Melbourne teams and only one since 2003.

        Also in how many of those 11 grand final wins by non Vic teams did the non Vic team upset a Melbourne team? Swans in 2012 and Crows in 1997 and 1998.

        • October 1st 2017 @ 8:31pm
          Bill C said | October 1st 2017 @ 8:31pm | ! Report

          All valid points.

          I don’t have a great recollection of how all those Finals played out, but I do recall there was concern from some in the the Melbourne AFL community, early this century, that it was going to be nearly impossible for traditional clubs to win a premiership.

          The pendulum has swung and no doubt it will swing back again.

          • October 1st 2017 @ 9:34pm
            andyl12 said | October 1st 2017 @ 9:34pm | ! Report

            Correct. 15 years ago they said no Victorian club would ever win another flag until they were Carlton/Collingwood/Essendon. Luckily, we have a comp where well-run “second-tier” clubs like Hawthorn and Geelong can rise up against the privileged and the complacent. Boy would Eddie and Jimmy H love to have been Hawthorn men.

      • October 2nd 2017 @ 4:57am
        664 the neighbour of the beast said | October 2nd 2017 @ 4:57am | ! Report

        Who cares about capacity!!! It should be catered for the team who deserves it and for those who watch on TV….that’s the bigger audience.

        • October 2nd 2017 @ 9:12am
          Milo said | October 2nd 2017 @ 9:12am | ! Report

          Imbecilic comment. The AFL cares about capacity. And so should so the average fan. As a fan you want to be part of a 100,000 crowd in watching the grand final, in relative comfort. Im not sure any team has won a grand final without deserving it. As for watching on TV I don’t think anything compares with the shots of the mighty MCG from helicopters on GF day.

          Adelaide played poorly on Saturday because on the whole, Richmond brought greater pressure and intensity which didn’t allow them to play well. Grimes beat Betts (again) and Sloane was shut down after half time. Two examples of the Tigers better all round performance. Throw in possibly Houli’s best possible game for the Tigers, Rance’s defence especially in the first half and Martin’s 20+ contested possessions and there’s some good reasons the scoreboard read like it did.

          If some clowns think that the Crows lost because they played at the MCG on the last Saturday in September albeit in front of thousands of their supporters well I guess that says more about their lack of footy knowledge as much as anything.

          • October 2nd 2017 @ 10:35am
            Basil said | October 2nd 2017 @ 10:35am | ! Report

            Had Richmond or any other Vic team finished top, would it be fair for the game to be played at AO vs a 3rd place Crows?
            It’s not just Adelaide, it’s all non Victorian teams that get the shaft. Sydney, WC, and Freo supporters have all experienced the same thing the last few years too.
            The game that we all love has been hijacked by the AFL and they do as they please with it and we all go along with it. The fixture, finals, stupid rule changes, no team in Tas etc, is just the AFL minipulating maximum revenue for themselves. They have no integrity or care for the game.

            • October 2nd 2017 @ 10:53am
              Milo said | October 2nd 2017 @ 10:53am | ! Report

              Yeah I guess….

              May explain why Sydney and WC (or Brisbane) have never won on the last Saturday in September at the home of football against Vic teams.

          • October 2nd 2017 @ 12:59pm
            664 the neighbour of the beast said | October 2nd 2017 @ 12:59pm | ! Report

            Managed to call me a clown and an imbecile…all because I diasagree with your views…why is it that all
            Victorian AFL supporters think they have a mortgage on passion and there footy knowledge when having a discussion on AFL….small minded and so insecure about “there” game !!! Thanks for being so transparent!!!

            Some other interstate supporters think the Victorian teams get it easier through the finals with there home ground advantage and umpiring…just a View from outside Victoria….obviously a discussion not to be had with you and your childish name calling.

            • October 2nd 2017 @ 2:08pm
              Milo said | October 2nd 2017 @ 2:08pm | ! Report

              Sorry you feel that way. But I didn’t call you an imbecile but said the comment was imbecilic and stand by that. Its not illogical why the MCG is the venue for one of the biggest days in Australian sport.

              As for the ‘clowns’ honestly… if anyone really believes that the venue made an eight goal difference and forced Betts to be ineffective, Sloane to be beaten after half time and Tex to go missing amongst other things, I cannot believe they are being serious.

              By extrapolation you are saying implicitly is that unless the Crows play at AO then they wont win a flag. Rubbish. If they are good enough they’ll be back next year and win it.

              • October 3rd 2017 @ 12:58am
                Not Imbecilic said | October 3rd 2017 @ 12:58am | ! Report

                I disagree Milo. Are you seriously telling me that Richmond is an 8 goal better side than the Crows, no matter what the circumstances? That IS rubbish. Different ground, different preparations, different crowd, different energies out on the ground….you can’t extrapolate what happened at the MCG, to what might have happened at Adelaide Oval. It’s a whole different ball game, as they say.

                At 3/4 time the difference was 5 goals and realistically the Crows had no hope of making that up, so the last quarter became essentially junk time with the Tigers running on adrenalin and the Crows struggling to maintain energy and enthusiasm, hence it blew out to 8 goals. It’s a wonder it didn’t blow out more. But, if the game had been in Adelaide, and you allow for, say, a 3 goal home advantage, that reduces the gap at 3/4 time to 2 goals. It then sets up a whole new feel for the final quarter and it’s game on rather than a blow out. Or, given home ground advantage it’s possible the Crows 2 goal lead at 1/4 time might have been 4 or 5 if it had been on their home turf, leading to Richmond beginning to doubt themselves and the possibility of a Crows win opening up. Seriously.

                And if you don’t believe me that location can make a difference, then explain to me how West Coast in 2015 defeated Hawthorn by 32 points at Subiaco and then only 2 weeks later lost to Hawthorn by 48 points at the MCG (Hawthorn’s home ground).You just can’t tell. They have to be more than good enough.

                Or it might have panned out the way it did, with a more focussed Richmond prevailing easily on the day. But that is beside the point. The point is that the Crows as the higher placed team, as it is in almost every professional competition, should have had home turf advantage as a reward for finishing higher up the ladder. That’s how it should be in the AFL if it’s a truly national competition. There are times in the future it would make a difference, whether it would have or not last Saturday is irrelevant.

                And no-one is saying implicitly that interstate clubs can’t win at a GF at the MCG. It has happened in the past and hopefully will happen for the Crows soon. However, that doesn’t change the fact that winning any ‘away’ final, let alone an away Grand Final, is hard. And it should be the lower placed team facing that handicap, not always the non-Victorian team. Don’t think it’s a big handicap? See my other post for arguments as to why I think it is.

              • October 4th 2017 @ 8:38pm
                Fairsuckofthesav said | October 4th 2017 @ 8:38pm | ! Report

                Here Here!

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        October 2nd 2017 @ 2:18pm
        Anthony said | October 2nd 2017 @ 2:18pm | ! Report

        You don’t need a ground with capacity. You can have a best of three that includes the MCG. That way everyone wins. The MCC, the AFL, and everyone else. The additional games give you cream on top in terms of gatetakings. The additional venues don’t need to be 100k venues.

        http://www.theroar.com.au/2017/10/01/time-best-three-grand-final-series/

        Game 1. Highest placed winners home deck.
        Game 2. MCG
        Game 3. IF required. Two scenarios.
        1. No MCG home team. The game is played at the home of the lowest placed Grand Finalist.
        OR
        2. There is an MCG home team. The advantage goes to the highest placed winner home venue. They finish on top, they get the advantage.

    • October 1st 2017 @ 11:23am
      Reservoir Animal said | October 1st 2017 @ 11:23am | ! Report

      Sore loser if I’ve ever seen one. I mean, did you see how pathetic the Crows played after quarter time, and did you conveniently leave that out of your argument.

      In any case, the Grand Final is a showcase event and shouldn’t be played in a second-rate venue that would barely have any seats left for club members. Cities that are serious about hosting major events need to put the money in to building stadia big enough to deserve them.

      • October 1st 2017 @ 12:11pm
        Mattyb said | October 1st 2017 @ 12:11pm | ! Report

        Second rate venues?
        Perth is about to open a state of the art,world class stadium,where the facilities and security will be far and beyond anything else in the country. You are aware Perth is opening a new stadium? Sydney still has a stadium that hosted the Olympics,not sure if or when the Sydney stadium is converted to rectangle,or if it’s infact just politicians talking,but it is currently available.
        The MCG only hosted 17k club members from each club yesterday,of which the Adelaide fans would have needed to spend thousands of dollars to attend the game.

        • October 1st 2017 @ 2:37pm
          Pelican said | October 1st 2017 @ 2:37pm | ! Report

          It still wont hold enough people. Doesn’t matter how state of the art it is they didnt go big enough to hold the grand final.

          • October 1st 2017 @ 3:05pm
            Mattyb said | October 1st 2017 @ 3:05pm | ! Report

            Pelican,there were 17k tickets sold to each club,so stadium capacity obviously isn’t that important inside the industry.
            You obviously are yet to see or hear about the new Perth Stadium,the security and facilities are going to be light years ahead of the MCG. When the G starts getting seen for what it really is on a world scale it’s going to make a big difference,we are moving into a far more modern world,with modern world issues.
            It’s quite clear people in Melbourne have no idea about the new Perth Stadium except its capacity. We even have Victorians referring to it as second rate,which is clear proof they have no idea about it.

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              October 1st 2017 @ 10:09pm
              Peppsy said | October 1st 2017 @ 10:09pm | ! Report

              You’re acting like 17k to each club means only 34k people attended the game. ~100k people attended, so if it’s held at a stdium less than that, people will miss out. At the end of the day it doesn’t matter how high tech the stadium is, capacity is all that matters, and until you accept that all your arguments will be inherently flawed.

              On a side note: stop saying things like “we even have Victorians referring to it as second rate” as if it means something. I can say the people from interstate clubs have been talking about leaving the AFL but that doesn’t mean it’s true.

              • October 2nd 2017 @ 10:03am
                Reservoir Animal said | October 2nd 2017 @ 10:03am | ! Report

                “At the end of the day it doesn’t matter how high tech the stadium is, capacity is all that matters”

                Dead right. ASIO’s headquarters have plenty of facilities and security, it doesn’t mean you’d play a Grand Final there. An inconvenient truth for MattyB and his whinger crew.

        • October 1st 2017 @ 2:56pm
          Reservoir Animal said | October 1st 2017 @ 2:56pm | ! Report

          34k member seats at a 100k stadium means zero member seats at a 66k (or less) stadium. How many venues does that leave us with, given that ANZ Stadium is not an official AFL venue?

          And yes I knew about the new Perth ground. Not much point having A-grade facilities if nobody can get in.

          • October 1st 2017 @ 3:55pm
            Mattyb said | October 1st 2017 @ 3:55pm | ! Report

            RA,why would no one get in? There would be no cricket club members getting tickets,most people in Perth would be direct members of their club rather the AFL members so you could half the AFL members allocation,Medallion Club members from Docklands wouldn’t get tickets,you could half the allocation to non competing clubs,corporates would probably get the same allocation unfortunately,you could bring back the competing clubs allocation to 15k each and everyone fits in. I’m sure there’s numerous ways to manage it.
            What was the MCG capacity in the early 2000s when the Northern Stand was being renovated,70-75k? There is obviously some structure in place that was used then.
            Any revenue shortfall would be picked up by the WA Government,Tourism WA and a slight increase in ticket prices. Still cheaper than the thousands that needs to be spent on flights and acomadation to attend the VFL GF in a national competition.

            • October 1st 2017 @ 7:22pm
              Reservoir Animal said | October 1st 2017 @ 7:22pm | ! Report

              MattyB, your argument is fatally flawed because you forget the new stadium will have its own “Medallion Club.”

              I just don’t know why they couldn’t build it to be 100K, since they apparently want all the benefits that come with having a 100K stadium.

              • October 1st 2017 @ 7:55pm
                Mattyb said | October 1st 2017 @ 7:55pm | ! Report

                RA,any membership of the new stadium isn’t tied into a GF,because there is currently no GF at the new Perth Stadium,perhaps some memberships will enter a ballot system,but this can be accounted for,your the one who said zero members get in,I propose something and you ignore it.
                No one around the world is building 100k stadiums,Perth didn’t do this because of research. People want comfort,good sight lines and governments want security. You said you are well aware of the details of the new stadium,despite laughingly calling it second rate,tell me something about it other than its capacity?
                It is going to blow the MCG out of the water,do you understand the security of this ground will actually surpass world standards,do you know how internationally outdated the MCG already is?
                The game has to go national,I’m seriously thinking that with some of the Victorian reactions to this topic,and the growing voice around a national competition,that a breakaway league is a real possibility.,I think the AFL could do with six VFL clubs,a breakaway truly national comp will have four. More people are taking about the Victorian centric nature of the GF than people are talking about the game,and every year it’s getting worse.
                People want a national comp.

              • October 1st 2017 @ 9:19pm
                Reservoir Animal said | October 1st 2017 @ 9:19pm | ! Report

                And a national comp is what we have. When non-Victorian clubs say “it’s a national competition” it’s just a smokescreen for them trying to advance their own interests. Otherwise Sydney would’ve proposed a COLA for the Perth teams once the mining boom sent WA’s cost of living through the roof. And they would’ve supported GWS’s entry to the comp. And the Perth teams wouldn’t be complaining about having to play in Tasmania. You know it makes sense.

                I love the national comp. I don’t love when the organisers of the national comp do something that’s not in the game’s interests. Your proposals to kill off eight of Victoria’s ten clubs are in this category. Locking up to 50,000 people out of the Grand Final is another. You really are picking on the wrong person if you think “it’s a national comp” will get you anywhere with me.

                I need know nothing about this ground besides its capacity. It falls well below the size expected for a US Super Bowl and would be laughed at by any American or European sporting body that was allocating a major event. Yes, there will be better lines of sight for some- mostly corporates and ground members because there’ll be fewer club members to compete with. Is this good for football? You clearly think so, but wiser heads disagree.

              • October 1st 2017 @ 10:12pm
                andyl12 said | October 1st 2017 @ 10:12pm | ! Report

                MattyB, I didn’t hear non-Victorian teams complaining about the GF venue when they were winning premierships. I think a majority of football followers around the country are thinking “sore losers” when they hear the whinges of people on this page.

                Adelaide said last week that the MCG held no fears for them. Same goes for the Swans and Eagles in recent years. If these clubs are serious about moving the Grand Final then they have to say so at all times and not just when it suits them.

                As for your claims that a breakaway will happen, just remember there is a reason why all these clubs joined the VFL in the first place, and that is because they saw no other way to get a viable national competition up and running. Smart people don’t listen to these silly threats.

              • October 1st 2017 @ 11:22pm
                Mattyb said | October 1st 2017 @ 11:22pm | ! Report

                Andy,of course clubs aren’t going to say they hold fears.
                Anyway,this is about the growth of the game,the majority of people are talking about umpiring bias to Victoria,I don’t agree but that’s the fact. More people are talking about VFL centric than the game,it’s growing every year,look at Twitter trends or any blog.
                What do you mean why clubs joined the comp,are you totally ignoring the VFL was a bankrupt competition? What is this continual lack of knowledge?
                Why don’t people have any knowledge of our game?
                A breakaway comp would only include four Vic clubs max,get Collingwood or Essendon onboard and it’s game over. Do Victorians even know who the powerful clubs are?

              • October 2nd 2017 @ 8:50pm
                OpenyourotherEye said | October 2nd 2017 @ 8:50pm | ! Report

                MattyB, what is this Field of Dreams, “build it and the will come”. Clearly a north of the river commentary here talking about what will be a great Stadium but you won’t know where it is. How do you get there though, no infrastructure not even a connection to the car park. Though as always Succession is always the answer in WA. This is a good thing, will wake you all up to how much money you take away from every other state. Simple fact Crows didn’t show up on the day, and coming into the game were undefeated in 3 outings at the MCG.

              • October 2nd 2017 @ 8:34am
                andyl12 said | October 2nd 2017 @ 8:34am | ! Report

                “the majority of people are talking about umpiring bias to Victoria”

                They’re not the majority, they’re a very noisy minority. You clearly haven’t watched a game at Subiaco in the last 15 years if you think umpires favour Victorian teams.

                Why can’t they say they fear the MCG? Wouldn’t that make for a more consistent argument? After all, growing the game should involve consistent arguments and not hypocritical ones.

                No breakaway comp could legally run until 2023. Something tells me the whingy minority might’ve gotten a life by then.

            • October 2nd 2017 @ 8:27am
              Jay Biggs said | October 2nd 2017 @ 8:27am | ! Report

              Mate just be honest with yourself.
              Your whole team got ahead of themselves. Thought they ‘deserved’ to win because they’d done it tough as a club.
              Josh Jenkins thought he had it in the bag, arrogant media comments Josh, great idea. Jake Kelly thought they were going to win, they basically just had to turn up. Your supporters were so cocky at the game, also thought they had it in the bag.
              Try actually playing the game first. The sooking and carrying on from a small number of Adelaide supporters on social media is hilarious, makes the win even better. Many non Richmond supporters I know think it was the best grand final for years. Amazing atmosphere and credit to the crows supporters for coming over and supporting their team.

              • October 2nd 2017 @ 10:59am
                Milo said | October 2nd 2017 @ 10:59am | ! Report

                100% Jay

                Actually the Crows supporters I spoke with were generous with their praise and said they believed the best team had won on the day. A lot stayed with good grace until the end of the presentation. And there was no shortage of Crows supporters either.

                The Crows time will come if they can keep the core of the group together. This loss will only be added motivation.

      • October 1st 2017 @ 1:43pm
        Fairsuckofthesav said | October 1st 2017 @ 1:43pm | ! Report

        Pathetic as Richmond were when they played at AO against the Crows. Which is the point and has gone straight thru to the keeper into your gloves.

        • October 1st 2017 @ 3:07pm
          Slane said | October 1st 2017 @ 3:07pm | ! Report

          I’d rather play pathetic mid-season than stink up the big dance…

        • October 2nd 2017 @ 8:44am
          Jay Biggs said | October 2nd 2017 @ 8:44am | ! Report

          And when you played Melbourne? Discuss
          What has a game from 12 weeks ago got to do with the GF? Nothing

        • October 2nd 2017 @ 9:19am
          Milo said | October 2nd 2017 @ 9:19am | ! Report

          What’s with the rubbish about Richmond getting trounced against Adelaide at AO? They also got trounced by StKilda earlier and turned that around by a similar margin later in the year.

          Idiotic comment which really implies that Adelaide can only win in Adelaide, not at the greatest ground in the southern hemisphere on the last Saturday in September.

          • October 2nd 2017 @ 9:12pm
            Fairsuckofthesav said | October 2nd 2017 @ 9:12pm | ! Report

            You seem big on idiocy. The point is to get through that concrete noggin of yours that this comp is one of the few in the world where the top team plays the GF at the lower ranked teams home ground. Now if you can’t see that as being inequitable then it’s pretty clear where the idiocy lies.

        • October 2nd 2017 @ 4:09pm
          sizey said | October 2nd 2017 @ 4:09pm | ! Report

          Didn’t Richmond loose to Freo & Sydney at the MCG?

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        October 1st 2017 @ 1:50pm
        TC123 said | October 1st 2017 @ 1:50pm | ! Report

        Exactly. No complaining or concerns heading to the MCG, just leaving it. Every betting agency in Australia had the Crows winning so the venue wasn’t a worry before the first bounce. It suddenly became unfair during the second quarter when your team started playing like s@!#. You had a two goal lead so what magic or imaginary button was pushed to lose control of the game? It wasn’t bad umpiring, the playing surface, the shape of the ground or the tiger fans outnumbering the Crow supporters. It was a determined Richmond group that wanted it more. Rubbish article by a sook

        • October 1st 2017 @ 4:10pm
          Fairsuckofthesav said | October 1st 2017 @ 4:10pm | ! Report

          Even Richmond players have come out and said how they used their home ground to advantage. So if you want to call Richmond players sooks and rubbish thats your choice.

          • October 1st 2017 @ 4:24pm
            TC123 said | October 1st 2017 @ 4:24pm | ! Report

            Ok

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        October 2nd 2017 @ 2:38pm
        Anthony said | October 2nd 2017 @ 2:38pm | ! Report

        Why is he a sore loser? There is a genuine bias. Why should he be not able to highlight this? The finals system has no integrity or fairness.

        A best of three series is the best answer. A final is still maintained at the MCG. And potentially more than one if Melbourne clubs face off. This means money for MCC, AFL, Victorian Tourism. Also removes the bias into the future and allows people to believe in the integrity of the AFL. Gives finals games to cities and teams who earn the right!

        http://www.theroar.com.au/2017/10/01/time-best-three-grand-final-series/

    • October 1st 2017 @ 11:26am
      Cynthia said | October 1st 2017 @ 11:26am | ! Report

      What’s big and green and eats Crows? MCG.
      Losers

      • October 1st 2017 @ 1:09pm
        Shane said | October 1st 2017 @ 1:09pm | ! Report

        What’s big and grey and uglier than a pig’s assemblage? MCG. Oh, sorry, I’ve offended hallowed ground, committed sacrilegious of the cold four n twenty pie communion. How dare I not drinketh from the plastic cup of flat VB ( world’s best beer, world’s best comedian Mick Molloy told me). The Church of The Front Bar shall be my saviour. Well, I am walking a hundred metres down the road where I have four of Australia’s top 8 rated coffee beans and then going sailing on the harbour and drowning my sorrows with a nice Hunter Valley wine. It is tough being an apostate.

        • October 1st 2017 @ 2:05pm
          Slane said | October 1st 2017 @ 2:05pm | ! Report

          Your team still lost. Have fun!

        • October 1st 2017 @ 3:36pm
          Kelly Andrews said | October 1st 2017 @ 3:36pm | ! Report

          WTF does coffee beans and sailing have to do with where the AFL GF is played? Here is a fact that explains why Adelaide lost yesterday. Riewoldt’s first goal, from a set shot, went through the goal at ground level. There were no Adelaide players standing on the goal line. How can that possibly happen in a GF? Adelaide just weren’t switched on after quarter time.

        • October 2nd 2017 @ 9:21am
          Milo said | October 2nd 2017 @ 9:21am | ! Report

          Sounds like a merchant banker to me.

          • October 3rd 2017 @ 10:01pm
            J.T. Delacroix said | October 3rd 2017 @ 10:01pm | ! Report

            If “merchant banker” is rhyming slang, then yes, he does come across as an absolute merchant banker!

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