Wallabies robbed of a win in Bloemfontein

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    It was poetic justice when Springbok goal-kicker Elton Jantjies missed his only attempt with three minutes to go at Bloemfontein last night.

    That cost the Boks a win they didn’t deserve to end up a 27-all draw with the hard-working Wallabies.

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    Moments earlier the Boks were on the attack when a blatant forward pass was missed by the Kiwi referee Ben O’Keeffe, and his two touchies Jerome Garces, and Shuhei Kubo.

    It was the second blatant forward pass when Boks centre Jan Serfontein scored earlier in the second half that gave the home side the lead.

    World Rugby officials will no doubt dismiss the two major mistakes as human error, when in fact it’s bordering on total incompetence.

    To give Wallaby coach Michael Cheika his due credit, he didn’t make a song and dance about the two match-deciding mistakes.

    He just smiled.

    There was a lot to like about the Wallabies’ gutsy 80-minute effort at altitude.

    To those who haven’t been in the rarified air, let me tell you it’s damn hard to breathe, your lungs are screaming for mercy, and you become very light-headed.

    The Wallabies were really hurting, yet they stuck to their game plan, and kept running the ball.

    Where they found the energy and the ability to breathe says volumes for their courage, and they were the only side to deserve victory.

    They led 13-10 at the break despite only 34 per cent possession, and 36 per cent territory.

    Then came the Serfontein try that wasn’t, but each time the Boks hit the front, the Wallabies retaliated to regain the lead.

    It was very different from the last time the two teams met in Perth three weeks ago when the Wallabies led 20-10 with 33 minutes to go, but let themselves down to draw 23-all.

    They didn’t, and they claimed a draw against the odds – and that took guts.

    Kurtley Beale won another man of the match award, he’ll have to turn into an octopus to be able to wear his mounting Rolex watch awards.

    Right at home in the 12 jumper now Cheika has recognised his talent, he was again brilliant, always dangerous.

    He made one searching run of 60 metres from inside his quarter that cut the Bok defence to ribbons, but nobody came with him, and a try went begging.

    Kurtley Beale Wallabies Australia Rugby Union Championship Bledisloe Cup 2017

    (Photo by Phil Walter/Getty Images)

    Why didn’t he chip?

    “We’re limiting our kicking.” was his reply with a grin.

    But Beale wasn’t the only standout.

    Bernard Foley was just as effective, making one searching run that set up Marika Koroibete’s first international try, and a perfect 25 metre pass to Koroibete on the other side of the field gave the Fijian flyer his second five-pointer on his debut in the starting line-up.

    For the icing on the cake, Foley finished the game with his 17th successive goal. and the Wallabies fire when Foley keeps landing goals from all over the park.

    Israel Folau scored his inevitable try in the first half that took this year’s international tally to 11, and a new Wallaby record.

    Yet again when Beale. Foley, and Folau click, magic rugby isn’t far away.

    The wonderful Wallaby backline would never be able to click if it wasn’t for halfback Will Genia’s swift and accurate service. That was again the case last night.

    Up front, it was encouraging to see two new locks in Izack Rodda, and Lukhan Tui strut their powerful stuff. Both are big units with a fair bit of mongrel in them which no doubt fits snugly in Cheika’s plans for the future.

    Since the 2015 Rugby World Cup final, Cheika has introduced 25 new Wallabies, with 20 of them still in the squad.

    And with Rodda and Tui joining giant Adam Coleman, who keeps getting better and better with intent, along with the vastly experienced Rob Simmons, the lock spots are nicely covered.

    At last the Wallabies are starting to overcome their problem areas.

    The lineouts and scrums were better against a far bigger pack, and even though the Wallabies missed 27 tackles, that’s not bad when just about all they did in the first half was tackle, and a fair bit in the second as well.

    But this morning was all about courage in a tough environment.

    There’s no joy in a draw. but it’s better than losing a game the Wallabies deserved to win.

    David Lord
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    David Lord was deeply involved in two of the biggest sporting stories - World Series Cricket in 1977 and professional rugby in 1983. After managing Jeff Thomson and Viv Richards during WSC, in 1983 David signed 208 of the best rugby players from Australia, New Zealand, Fiji, England, Ireland, Scotland, Wales and France to play an international pro circuit. The concept didn't get off the ground, but it did force the IRB to get cracking and bring in the World Rugby Cup, now one of the world's great sporting spectacles

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    • Roar Guru

      October 1st 2017 @ 7:36am
      Fionn said | October 1st 2017 @ 7:36am | ! Report

      I think this is in poor taste, and quite disrespectful to the Boks.

      The last pass was about 3m forward, yes, but since Jantjies missed the kick it didn’t change the outcome of the match. The pass to Serfontein was fine.

      The draw was a fair result. Both teams were evenly matched, and it was an exciting match to watch.

      • October 1st 2017 @ 8:25am
        Maddie said | October 1st 2017 @ 8:25am | ! Report

        David, you need to take your blinkers off. Shameful article..

        • October 1st 2017 @ 8:46am
          Rt said | October 1st 2017 @ 8:46am | ! Report

          I doubt he picked the headline.

          Personally I really enjoyed the match and wasn’t unhappy with the outcome

          • October 1st 2017 @ 8:52am
            Taylorman said | October 1st 2017 @ 8:52am | ! Report

            But the headline reflected the first half of the story…in fact ‘robbed’…was tame. David wants answers! ?

            • October 1st 2017 @ 9:53am
              Selector said | October 1st 2017 @ 9:53am | ! Report

              Old mate just makes loose comments and then sits back and watches the comment count rise.

              He does get some big comment scores from these type of articles. You know what they say in the game… Stats only tell half the story.

            • Roar Rookie

              October 1st 2017 @ 11:29am
              Kirky said | October 1st 2017 @ 11:29am | ! Report

              But David!! both teams played rubbish and the Referees and his boys on the Touch just added to the intrigue!

      • October 1st 2017 @ 8:49am
        Redsfan1 said | October 1st 2017 @ 8:49am | ! Report

        Sorry it’s not disrespectful to call blatant forward passes that could have decided the result. It’s called being accountable and Lord was talking about the referees.

        • Roar Guru

          October 2nd 2017 @ 6:53am
          Colin Kennedy said | October 2nd 2017 @ 6:53am | ! Report

          Folau’s first try came from a forward pass.

          Added to that, Folau should have been yellow carded. You could argue the Springboks were robbed, but a consistent referee — in his mistakes and things he got right – meant if was a fair result from a pretty good game to watch.

      • October 1st 2017 @ 9:03am
        MIB2 said | October 1st 2017 @ 9:03am | ! Report

        Very fair and slightly benefiting the men in yellow.

      • October 1st 2017 @ 9:48am
        Harry said | October 1st 2017 @ 9:48am | ! Report

        Gotta disagree and agree with David. Both Bok 2nd half tries were illegitimate – first a clear forward [ass out of the hand and second McMahon clearly impeded in the defensive line in foront of the ball. Time and again the Boks got away with this. Rugby is not American football.

        However Folau lucky not to be carded for hair pulling (that would surely be attacking the head of an opponent) late in the first half so perhaps these things even out.

        • October 1st 2017 @ 10:28am
          Cassandra said | October 1st 2017 @ 10:28am | ! Report

          Had no problem with first try. I thought the pass went back out of the hand. In fact, I think if it had have gone forward it would have hit Folau, but the second one – absolutely an obstruction which you correctly point out, the Boks got away with a number of times during the game.

        • October 1st 2017 @ 2:12pm
          SAVAGE said | October 1st 2017 @ 2:12pm | ! Report

          It’s a fair pass if it leaves the hands travelling backwards………..Had Kurtley Beale gone low and hard looking to stop/slow down Kolisi, instead of trying to embrace and kiss Kolisi, I doubt the the attacking raid would have panned out as it did.

        • October 1st 2017 @ 3:43pm
          superba said | October 1st 2017 @ 3:43pm | ! Report

          no mention of hair pulling in Lord’s one eyed ramble .

      • October 1st 2017 @ 10:06am
        Timothy Hill said | October 1st 2017 @ 10:06am | ! Report

        The pass to Folau for his try was also forward.

      • October 1st 2017 @ 10:07am
        Rusty743 said | October 1st 2017 @ 10:07am | ! Report

        Agree Fionn, the ref seemed to have the same opinion of forward passes for both sides.

      • October 1st 2017 @ 11:12am
        Ozinsa said | October 1st 2017 @ 11:12am | ! Report

        Totally agree. I’m glad the last kick missed as it was preceded by a very forward pass but on balance any other errors by officials were mixed. I think I feel sorry for Folau who I’m sure went for collar and got a mix of man bun and jersey. He probably should have let help earlier. Eben’s third man in should have been looked at too so, again, a balanced outcome.

        Breathless game mixed with brilliance and mistakes (many due to fatigue) and a draw was a perfect outcome.

        Beale and Foley really were precisely ricks and diamonds. Foley’s mistakes kicking out of hand had me shouting at the TV and Kurtley’s bounce off was very poor but geez they pose a threat.

        BTW, I wonder if it was Hooper who made the decision on the fly to hand line kicking duties to Hodge. Decisive piece of captaincy if so

      • Roar Rookie

        October 1st 2017 @ 11:26am
        Kirky said | October 1st 2017 @ 11:26am | ! Report

        Simple case of which team played the worst, so the final equation is corect~

        • October 1st 2017 @ 11:28am
          Fionn said | October 1st 2017 @ 11:28am | ! Report

          Nah, I thought it was a pretty good Test match.

        • October 1st 2017 @ 12:28pm
          Drongo said | October 1st 2017 @ 12:28pm | ! Report

          Ignore this guy. We al know why he posts these comments. A chip the size of Australia.
          The match was excellent. Both sides played some excellent rugby. I think Cheika has the team playing very well in the style he wants. Genia, Folau, Hooper all massive in this game. It’s 5 v 3 remember so the Wallabies expected to lose by plenty, away from home, against the Boks at altitude, as many predicted on here and are now trying to save face by slamming the match. It’s par for the course on the roar with the flood of comments from disaffected you know what’s.

          • October 1st 2017 @ 6:04pm
            Internal Fixation said | October 1st 2017 @ 6:04pm | ! Report

            I thought it was a chup the size of NZ?

            • Roar Rookie

              October 1st 2017 @ 6:51pm
              Paulo said | October 1st 2017 @ 6:51pm | ! Report

              Someone with NZ chup on their shoulder would point out the implied bias in the first paragraph listing the ref as a Kiwi and then naming the touchies without listing their countries. It implies the nationality of the ref is important, which surely is an attempt to show bias or impartiality on the refs part.

              But only someone wuth a NZ sized chup would say that, which I dont, so I wont say that…

              • October 1st 2017 @ 8:09pm
                Internal Fixation said | October 1st 2017 @ 8:09pm | ! Report

                I agree as well. David is a Seagull with a large Aussie Chip.

              • October 1st 2017 @ 8:11pm
                Internal Fixation said | October 1st 2017 @ 8:11pm | ! Report

                Flavor of the month is international chips/chups

              • October 1st 2017 @ 10:43pm
                wardad1 said | October 1st 2017 @ 10:43pm | ! Report

                Are those Chups Chupa ?

      • October 1st 2017 @ 2:10pm
        Robo said | October 1st 2017 @ 2:10pm | ! Report

        How did that not affect the outcome of the match? It was a 3m forward pass within Bok territory. This should have put the ball back in Australia’s hands in Bok territory with 4 minutes to go – but because it was not called, this allowed the Boks to hammer away in Aus territory until the last 30 seconds of the match…

        More to the point, the AR was standing right there – it was straight up incompetence from the referees.

        • October 1st 2017 @ 8:24pm
          Andrew said | October 1st 2017 @ 8:24pm | ! Report

          Completely agree Robo

        • October 2nd 2017 @ 1:57am
          Harry said | October 2nd 2017 @ 1:57am | ! Report

          True, but as someone else pointed out earlier, it was straight incompetence by the ref to not pick up Foley’s forward pass to Folau for the Wallabies first try, so these things even out.

          • October 2nd 2017 @ 4:51pm
            Cuw said | October 2nd 2017 @ 4:51pm | ! Report

            it wasnt incompetence to pick up the pass, BUT it was naive not to use the TMO.

            this is a problem with BOK style of reffing. he lets play go far to often and likes to use TMO as a last resort . happens all the time in Miter 10.

            also, not impressed with the ARs in general. if they are not picking up the forward passes, the scrum errors, the crooked lineouts , the off sides ., etc. then the new title has no logic.

            in addition , i am still not clear about the TMO protocols. i have seen at times the TMO get in the ear of the ref regarding foul play or errors when trys are scored.

            on the other hand i have also seen TMOs keeping silent when there are clear issues with the play.

            so how exactly does it work??

      • October 1st 2017 @ 4:48pm
        Neilo said | October 1st 2017 @ 4:48pm | ! Report

        The match I watched look like the boks played better and more rugby. Too many forward passes let go for my liking.

      • October 1st 2017 @ 7:52pm
        double agent said | October 1st 2017 @ 7:52pm | ! Report

        They were pretty close. Draw reflects the game I suppose.

        The Skosan knock on 10m from his own line while fielding a kick was a killer. Would’ve been nice to get a scrum there.

      • Roar Guru

        October 1st 2017 @ 8:30pm
        Corne Van Vuuren said | October 1st 2017 @ 8:30pm | ! Report

        Agree about David Lord’s issue. In fact it is quite petty, how many matches are won “due to referee error”?

        I immeditately think of the 2011 quarter final, bet David Lord was pretty happy with that refereeing performance.

        As for the match, both teams showed endeavour, both teams have plusses and minuses to work on.

        They both could have won the match,the Aussie back line s very dangerous,their forwards very smart.

        Sio outwitted Dreyer the whole match,collecting penalties like easter eggs in the garden, every time he noticed Dreyer was extended in his bind he merely buckled and Dreyer fell like a sack of potatoes.

        The Aussie tacklers has made an art of falling on the wrong side of the tackle before “rolling away”

        Smrt play,they didn’t get pinged a lot for that.

        Boks discipline was poor, their offloads in the red zone frantic, their defensive organisation poor.

        Still not the best bok team se.ected butthat isn’t about to chnge.

        Even though the match was frustrating due to the manyerrorsby SA, it was a good match.

        Oh and David, the team that wins deserves to win I have been told many times, regardless of any help by the referee.

        Folau can be very fortunate for not getting carded, the hair tackle could still beexplained as he tried to grab the collar, but the hair pull after was completely unecessary.

        Eben’s attempt after wasjust stupid.

        • October 1st 2017 @ 10:01pm
          double agent said | October 1st 2017 @ 10:01pm | ! Report

          “The Aussie tacklers has made an art of falling on the wrong side of the tackle before “rolling away”

          I’d say every tackler in the world has mastered that art.

        • October 1st 2017 @ 10:14pm
          Wardad said | October 1st 2017 @ 10:14pm | ! Report

          Yes many teams have suffered losses in important games due to shocking reffing eh ? Appears we are none of us immune to this malady .

        • October 2nd 2017 @ 11:21am
          Fionn said | October 2nd 2017 @ 11:21am | ! Report

          ‘They both could have won the match’

          I think that is the crux of it, BB.

          The referee made some questionable calls each way, but in my mind it all evened out and ended up being a very fair match.

          These are two evenly matched teams, and neither was able to win it at the death.

          Great Test match to have seen though, in my opinion.

      • Roar Guru

        October 2nd 2017 @ 1:18am
        cs said | October 2nd 2017 @ 1:18am | ! Report

        A good write up David. A major contributor lost in the wash was Michael Hooper. I recall a couple crucial steals, some strong running, and many heavy tackles.

    • October 1st 2017 @ 7:49am
      Rob Malcolm said | October 1st 2017 @ 7:49am | ! Report

      But if we played Quade Cooper we would have won by 50

      • October 1st 2017 @ 7:57am
        Taylorman said | October 1st 2017 @ 7:57am | ! Report

        Or lost by 50.

      • October 1st 2017 @ 12:30pm
        Drongo said | October 1st 2017 @ 12:30pm | ! Report

        Agreed, woulda won by plenty with Quade calling the shots. Saw it in my tea leaves this morning.

    • October 1st 2017 @ 7:55am
      mzilikazi said | October 1st 2017 @ 7:55am | ! Report

      I agree with Fionn ,David. I have not rewatched the game and analysed it in more depth, but I also feel a draw was a fair outcome in the end. I would suggest that you also should rewatch it.

      Both teams played some very exciting rugby, and with one exception, it was a good, fair and clean game…….the hair pull incident was not malicious, and fortunatly the referee handled it well.

      No, I would say to the SA team and their supporters…”.Well done, and with a bit of better fortune, you could have won that game.

      And I thought the referee was pretty good overall…I would say he gained the respect of the players too.

    • October 1st 2017 @ 7:56am
      Taylorman said | October 1st 2017 @ 7:56am | ! Report

      Geez David get your glasses on. Look at Foleys pass to Folau. Folau was definitely in front when he took the short forward pass. Both SA passes, if theyre the ones I think they are, as I couldnt see any, were fine. Unbelievable.

      • Roar Guru

        October 1st 2017 @ 7:59am
        Fionn said | October 1st 2017 @ 7:59am | ! Report

        Isn’t this an interesting situation, I’m the one defending Foley and you’re the one criticising him.

        At first I thought that that the Foley pass was forward, but upon rewatching decided that from the angle I thought it was okay. Very flat, but just okay.

        • October 1st 2017 @ 8:12am
          Taylorman said | October 1st 2017 @ 8:12am | ! Report

          Im not defending or criticising anyone. Im saying it as I see it. I was critical if your summary of Foleys performance, which was the most critical of any individual in the match, from both sides.

          And that is odd, because on several replays the more I was able to isolate the play the more certain I saw it forward, simply because of Folaus position. The pass could not have gone flat or backwards to take it from there.

          Anyway, clearly we see things differently.

          • October 1st 2017 @ 8:21am
            Bring Back...? said | October 1st 2017 @ 8:21am | ! Report

            I thought the pass from Foley to Folau was forward. The ball to Serfontain was definitely forward and that last one being referred to was a mile forward. In the end, agreed a fair result and entertaining game.

      • October 1st 2017 @ 8:31am
        mzilikazi said | October 1st 2017 @ 8:31am | ! Report

        Tman, I wondered about that pass too and looked at frame by frame. I would say it was flat at worst….one key point I noticed was that Folau actually had to reach back to take the pass…so you are correct in that he was slighly in front as he took the pass, but was not as it left Foley’s hands. Look at it again and see what you think.

        • October 1st 2017 @ 8:36am
          Taylorman said | October 1st 2017 @ 8:36am | ! Report

          Yes it was close, and generally that close in doesnt matter so much, the advantage a forward pass has over ‘inches’ not as much as a few feet.

          Have a look at where Korobeite gets his pass from the first try. Catches it two, more likely three meters in front of where Foley passes it, just a matter of the backward from the hand bizo.

          Anywaaaaaaaay… I think tries were generally ok overall, small differences with each, but all deserved, so all in all, cant split the two countries for 2017.

          Fair result.

          • October 1st 2017 @ 12:33pm
            Drongo said | October 1st 2017 @ 12:33pm | ! Report

            If it is called forward it is forward, if it isn’t it isn’t. Except for Read’s pass for the ABs winning try in Bled 2. That was a mile forward. For ever.

            • October 1st 2017 @ 4:54pm
              Dave said | October 1st 2017 @ 4:54pm | ! Report

              Open both eyes sore loser, pass to Read was fine

              • October 3rd 2017 @ 1:16pm
                stagman said | October 3rd 2017 @ 1:16pm | ! Report

                Dave, hence the name Drongo

            • October 1st 2017 @ 5:47pm
              Cal said | October 1st 2017 @ 5:47pm | ! Report

              Come off it mate

            • October 1st 2017 @ 10:18pm
              Wardad said | October 1st 2017 @ 10:18pm | ! Report

              Yeah sure it was ,just keep holding onto that and nurturing it until it sprouts porcine wings and takes flight.

        • Roar Guru

          October 1st 2017 @ 11:09am
          PeterK said | October 1st 2017 @ 11:09am | ! Report

          you have it correct, Folau reached back.

          It is flat, if it was reviewed it would not be called forward since thye have to be clear and obvious which this certainly wasn’t, at worst a few inches, then you need an angle to see was it forward out the hands.

          The Koirebete one is clearly fin, it is clearly backwards from the hands, foley was running at full pace.

          Foley’s best game since eng;and rwc. He finally did a very good job of playmaking, he has improved his passing, he can pass long now and whilst running.

          He set up 3 tries 3 very good passes, also a good burst and support play, energtic to jump on the loose ball on the ground. His mistakes were a few, he let in a try, 2 penalty kicks for touch , a kickout on the full and missed tackles. However as a playmaker superb. IMO was more deserving of MoM than Beale.

          • October 1st 2017 @ 11:13am
            Fionn said | October 1st 2017 @ 11:13am | ! Report

            I’ll pay that.

            He’s still a turnstile, however, and so we can’t have him playing inside of Beale at 12—any of Hunt, Hodge or Kerevi at 12 would make our defence so much stronger.

            Also, he should just not kick the ball anymore. For goodness sake, just give full kicking duties to Hodge and Beale.

            • Roar Guru

              October 1st 2017 @ 11:31am
              PeterK said | October 1st 2017 @ 11:31am | ! Report

              this is what I don’t get, up to now Hodge has been taking the long kicks for touch why revert, mind you foley took it quickly for some unknown reason.

              He normally takes the short ones in the corner though, obviously didn’t adjust for altitude.

              Hodge took a very good exit kick out of the 22 and did Beale. Foley should never kick anything other than at goal. Folau even kicked better than him.

              What people do miss on beale’s performance is his general play kicking was very good and decision making on whether to kick or run.

              It is obvious he should not be at 12.

              • October 1st 2017 @ 11:34am
                Fionn said | October 1st 2017 @ 11:34am | ! Report

                I am praying that Cheik goes with the following for next week:

                9. Genia, 10. Foley, 11. Hodge, 12. Kerevi, 13. Kuridrani, 14. Beale, 15. Folau; 16. Powell, 17. Hunt/Meakes, 18. Banks

                Folau will continue to play a roving wing role even if he has the 15 jersey on his back, so I don’t get why Cheika doesn’t just simplify things for the players and for the fans and put Folau on the wing, but it doesn’t really matter.

              • Roar Guru

                October 1st 2017 @ 11:50am
                PeterK said | October 1st 2017 @ 11:50am | ! Report

                i would like that backline

                Perhaps have Koirebete instead of Hodge, Beale can do the kicking thats needed.

                Koirebete really showed why he or Naivalu should be there instead of Speight. Not only attack but defence made 7 tackles missed 1.

              • October 1st 2017 @ 11:58am
                Fionn said | October 1st 2017 @ 11:58am | ! Report

                I’d be happy with either. Koroibete’s positioning wasn’t as good as Hodge’s I thought.

                With Naivalu now out for the rest of the year I would like to see Banks given a go on the wing too eventually, as I like the thought of three fullbacks in the back 3 (Beale, Folau, Banks), two of which have excellent speed, but he should debut off the bench.

              • Roar Guru

                October 1st 2017 @ 12:13pm
                PeterK said | October 1st 2017 @ 12:13pm | ! Report

                it goes without saying having banks on the bench

                also Hunt if he is fit.

              • October 1st 2017 @ 7:59pm
                double agent said | October 1st 2017 @ 7:59pm | ! Report

                If they had any brains they would’ve been kicking it between the posts and not for touch. It’s a test match ffs!

                Gotta love Tim Horan. Always says a kick for touch is the best option. That’s why he only ever captained the Wallabies once and was dubbed ‘Captain Crazy’!!

        • Roar Guru

          October 1st 2017 @ 1:37pm
          Fox said | October 1st 2017 @ 1:37pm | ! Report

          Yeah, I slowed that right down from all the angles and Foley’s pass was definitely foward to Folau so I would call it even really. He took a big hit in the tackle that drove him backwards so that Folau over ran the pass and Foley had to compensate which definitely went forward.

          I have a replay/ editing program – the same program used to edit the film Avatar – anyone can get it if they can be bothered dishing out the monthly fee and learning how to use it – I have to for my job – anyway it that can slow things right down and freeze frame by frame – motion track as well any individual item like a ball on the screen – the other trick is my graphic can draw a line perpendicular across the field which shows exactly if the ball went forward of back in motion – and it was most certainly forward – but a lot of forward passes get missed these days despite the TMO.

          Just because the refs don’t call it back doesn’t me it isn’t forward – they are human and miss things – even TMO’s miss things as we know but hey that’s the game.

          Anyway, it was a good game and you have to give credit to SA coming back the way the did after such a thrashing by the AB’s and credit to Australia for getting close in SA where they haven’t won since 2011

          So I thought both sides played some great rugby and both sides at different times got calls go their way.

          I said the Wallabies went in as favourites by a whisker in this game and a whisker it was though a draw it also was – so maybe that whisker was balanced out by home ground advantage and there you have it – a draw.

          It was a good game though, better than the Puma v All Blacks game which became a bit scrappy from both sides in the second half and 3 yellow cards didn’t help but that’s life. Two were a bit harsh – one Puma – One AB – but Reads was fair no question.

          • October 1st 2017 @ 4:51pm
            Drongo said | October 1st 2017 @ 4:51pm | ! Report

            Oh, Fox has spoken, ‘definitely forward’ According to the poster who has never interpreted a call Australias way, ever, never, ever. He has ‘special software’. Used in the movie ‘Avatar’. He does it ‘for work’. So there you have it. If only the referees had access to this ‘special software’ used in ‘Avatar’ that Fox uses ‘for work’. Every play could be slowed down, the ‘ball tracked’, ‘frame by frame’. Then we would know. As much as Fox does. LOL. No need for any one else’s opinion. No need to allow for forward momentum, no need for anything except Fox Molder. Thanks for sorting that out Fox. Genius.

            • October 1st 2017 @ 4:57pm
              Dave said | October 1st 2017 @ 4:57pm | ! Report

              Back in your box, whiner

            • Roar Guru

              October 1st 2017 @ 5:43pm
              Fox said | October 1st 2017 @ 5:43pm | ! Report

              I think it’s about time you grew up Drongo or maybe you are way past that stage and in a perennial state of childhood.

              The only person on this site with a clear chip on their shoulder and who continually gets their facts wrong about what people have said and haven’t said is you.

              And you have become a complete parody of yourself – you keep using your favorite go-to phrase “the usual suspects on here” – and yet the only “usual suspect” on here is you continually bagging anyone – especially certain kiwis, who you have decided to have a personal beef with.

              Says more about you my friend than anyone you attack on here.

              You actually make this site unpleasant with your constant abuse of certain bloggers and nasty personal comment, but kiwis are thick skinned bro. Certainly screams the kind of individual you are.

              The Roar should address it IMO. But as they haven’t or won’t – so then I look forward to your typical venomous response to this blog. I am sure you won’t disappoint anyone.

              For the record – Adobe Pro is a very well known professional editing program with excellent add on’s that plenty of networks globally use and just about every other university film school so I hate to burst your bubble, but plenty of industry people and private people at home have this program – you can to, if you just go to Adobe mate – not rocket science, though takes a while to truly master it because it can do so much stuff – But not cheap of course.

              And yes it has a very powerful engine for dissecting and editing any footage to an high degree.

              If you still think it was not forward then knock yourself out -all fine with me.

              • October 1st 2017 @ 6:09pm
                Drongo said | October 1st 2017 @ 6:09pm | ! Report

                LOL. The Boks pass goes three metres forward and the Wallaby one is probably ok, 50/50 at worst and you call it ‘one all’. And you tell us all about your fantastic software and how it can track the ball and freeze each microsecond frame, as if that has any relevance to the decision at all. By the way, I don’t abuse anyone fox, read my post again, then apologise.

              • Roar Rookie

                October 1st 2017 @ 7:29pm
                Paulo said | October 1st 2017 @ 7:29pm | ! Report

                He didnt actually say microsecond frame. Just frame by frame.

                But thats none of my business.

              • Roar Guru

                October 1st 2017 @ 7:03pm
                Fox said | October 1st 2017 @ 7:03pm | ! Report

                The tone of your venom and dislike of certain kiwis on this site Drongo is evident in your blogs and you intend it to be so so with sarcasm and pettiness – in this particular case, me – as it is with so many of your posts when you discover a kiwi opinion you don;t like – so forgive me if I don’t think I should apologise to you.

                You have an opinion about the pass and so do I – let’s leave it at that shall we. Last time I checked, we both entitled to that.

                We shall agree to disagree. The game was a great game as I have said – certainly better than the AB game as I have also said.

                Enjoy the Argentinian game – It should be a comfortable victory – not an easy one mind you – to the Wallabies, despite being away from home one would think.

                Then its Suncorp – which should also be a good game, though it is not unreasonable to suggest by anyone, that the AB’s will be very hard to beat.

                The being said, I expect it to be a good contest as long as the Wallabies hold their own at the set piece and contact area which will be critical IMO even if you disagree. Do that, and they have the backline to cause the AB’s trouble in attack.

                Could be the best game of the Bledisloe this season – we shall see. But the Wallaby back row must stand up in this game in the contact area. I would pick Timani myself, but I doubt that will happen unless he starts or gets a good run against the Pumas.

                Anyway Drongo enjoy both games.

              • October 1st 2017 @ 9:04pm
                Reverse Wheel said | October 1st 2017 @ 9:04pm | ! Report

                Stopped reading at “the only person with a chip on their shoulder here…”. You could feed every seagull on Manly beach for a year with all the chips on these pages.

          • Roar Guru

            October 2nd 2017 @ 10:42am
            PeterK said | October 2nd 2017 @ 10:42am | ! Report

            Fox Saker – No one is saying the ball didn’t travel forward , the question is was it a forward pass.

            Unless you know the speed with which Foley was running then you cannot determine if it was a forward pass. The angles shown on the game didn’t show his hands so you couldn’t determine if it was backwards from his hands.

            Measure foley frame by frame before he passes and using the distance he travels and the time calculate his speed.

            Then measure the distance forward the ball has traveled forward and the time taken. Subtract the distance the ball would have traveled with momentum i.e Foley’s speed and that will actually tell you whether it is a forward pass.

            • October 3rd 2017 @ 4:12pm
              Colin Fenwick said | October 3rd 2017 @ 4:12pm | ! Report

              Peter, the thing I would add is that you only need to compare the ball and the passers goal line to goal line velocities. If it’s larger for the ball, it’s forward. Otherwise, it went backwards.

      • October 1st 2017 @ 9:37am
        The Stranglers said | October 1st 2017 @ 9:37am | ! Report

        Parallax error!!!!!!

    • October 1st 2017 @ 7:57am
      Selector said | October 1st 2017 @ 7:57am | ! Report

      Beale did some great things, but didn’t deserve MotM.
      I would say Korobeti was mine from what I remember. Foley was rock solid as well.

      Simmons and Moore are the worst impact bench players. I’m not a Simmons hater, but he was a detriment. Phipps was detrimental too.

      The Wallabies were brave, but really should have closed that out.

      • October 1st 2017 @ 8:04am
        Jeff said | October 1st 2017 @ 8:04am | ! Report

        Once again David has his blinkered glasses on.I agree a draw was the fair result .But I find it interesting that David makes no mention of Folau’s foul play in tackling by pulling the hair of a Springbok.
        In my opinion this was a yellow card offence which could have changed the outcome if correctly refereed.
        But David only sees what he wants to see.

        • October 1st 2017 @ 8:13am
          Selector said | October 1st 2017 @ 8:13am | ! Report

          Agreed, I thought overall Lady luck was on our side in the swing and roundabouts of ref calls.

          Good game and intense right to the end.

        • October 1st 2017 @ 8:41am
          Taylorman said | October 1st 2017 @ 8:41am | ! Report

          Really? I see it as anyone going into a rugby match that has hair long enough to be pulled, or has to brush it out of the way, deserves what they get.

          There are certain physical expectations that should be expected when one takes the field, and pullable hair is one that has no positives, and has an easy solution to the negatives.

          Cut it man!?

          • Roar Guru

            October 1st 2017 @ 8:52am
            Armand van Zyl said | October 1st 2017 @ 8:52am | ! Report

            Well, I don’t think that Ma’a Nonu and Tana Umaga would agree with that assessment, mate. I think players from all over would be looking to get a grab of those dreads.

            • October 1st 2017 @ 9:47am
              Taylorman said | October 1st 2017 @ 9:47am | ! Report

              Well with those two it would become a choice thing. ‘Do I really want to yank Nonus hair?’. What would my life options be after that?

              Still no sympathy no matter who it is. Not only for health or match result possibilities but as professional rugby players you need to decide what value long flowing hair…in some cases…has in your game.

              Although its not the same but they cut hair in the army for a reason, one being unity within ones company, like the uniform, a likeness, a common goal. The picture of a soldier on the frontline battling with his rifle in a trench getting stuck in his braids probably not a good look, let alone very effective.

              Yet here that scenario is more likely. Cut it, and the problem disappears. Its not as if its a huge sacrifice for the 200k plus is it?

              • October 1st 2017 @ 10:32am
                Vissie said | October 1st 2017 @ 10:32am | ! Report

                Tman, 1st time you’ve said anything sensible here! In all honesty though, you are 100% correct. Remember a few years ago when George Smith had a dred pulled right out of his head? No sympathy. Cut your bloody hair.

              • Roar Guru

                October 1st 2017 @ 10:41am
                Armand van Zyl said | October 1st 2017 @ 10:41am | ! Report

                “Still, no sympathy no matter who it is.”

                I think you should make room for some sympathy, mate. For some cultures the long hair has traditional roots (Yeah, I really did that there.)

                For instance, a lot of non-white people in South Africa sport dreads and weaves. It’ sort of a traditional thing. The Ndungane brothers, Howard Mnisi, Sbu Nkosi, Cecil Afrika – a few examples of African ethnic players sporting the traditional thang.

                Not sure about Maori culture, so won’t comment on Nonu and Umagas hairstyles.

                I think what makes the Folau incident worse is that the tackle starts fine (maybe a tad high), slips up and then grabs the hair. He then continues pulling on the hair. As far as my knowledge goes, human hair and a rugby jersey have very different feels. One could argue he should have let go the moment he saw what he was doing, since his support completed the tackle anyway.

              • October 1st 2017 @ 12:12pm
                Vissie said | October 1st 2017 @ 12:12pm | ! Report

                No Armand, it’s not a traditional thing. It’s a fashion thing. There is no tradition of long hair in male African culture. None.

              • Roar Guru

                October 1st 2017 @ 12:15pm
                PeterK said | October 1st 2017 @ 12:15pm | ! Report

                even if traditional he should wear it as a man bun not dreads, his fault if it gets caught up in a tackle when hanging down his back

              • October 1st 2017 @ 12:26pm
                timber said | October 1st 2017 @ 12:26pm | ! Report

                Long hair was traditional for most cultures at one time or another, including European cultures so that excuse doesn’t really cut it.
                They’re professional players getting paid a lot, it’s not unreasonable to make some sacrifices to the game.
                Netball players all tie up their hair.

              • October 1st 2017 @ 1:51pm
                rebel said | October 1st 2017 @ 1:51pm | ! Report

                That hairstyle is apparently called the ‘collar’.

              • October 1st 2017 @ 2:03pm
                Taylorman said | October 1st 2017 @ 2:03pm | ! Report

                Yes Pete, the Ina Sharples look. Would love to see that!

              • October 1st 2017 @ 3:13pm
                soapit said | October 1st 2017 @ 3:13pm | ! Report

                if you have to grab above the collar to get the hair bit hard to blame the victim i reckon. also hard to argue shouldnt be a yellow when its not immediately released.

              • Roar Guru

                October 1st 2017 @ 7:25pm
                The Neutral View From Sweden said | October 1st 2017 @ 7:25pm | ! Report

                Have not really thought about this before, but if one chooses to sport long hair (and I am all for free choice in almost all regards so I certainly have no problem with that) it is not unreasonable to expect them to pack it in or wrap it up when doing a pretty violent contact sport.
                Watch all the girls in UFC, on fight night they all braid their hair close to the skull. And if memory serves me correct, Skosan used to do that before.

                One thing is for sure, Eben Etzebeth thinks Skosan has a human right to sport long hair 😉

                Funny that Etzebeth has avoided criticism for his action. If he had not jumped Folau to retaliate, it would have been YC for Folau. Very poor game intelligence from the captain.

          • October 1st 2017 @ 9:32am
            Gazzatron said | October 1st 2017 @ 9:32am | ! Report

            As someone with long dreads, if ya grabbed my hair I’d put one on your chin and have done so before. Girls in a schoolyard fight pull hair, not rugby players.

            • October 1st 2017 @ 10:05pm
              double agent said | October 1st 2017 @ 10:05pm | ! Report

              Mate if I pulled your hair you’d whip around,all red faced and angry with a fist cocked,then take one look at me and think maybe it’s not such a big deal and say sorry and shuffle off!

        • October 1st 2017 @ 9:25am
          Internal Fixation said | October 1st 2017 @ 9:25am | ! Report

          Agree if the hair was grabbed first but the contact with with the shoulder and collar and then slid up as the Bok’s hair was over the collar.

          It raises an interesting point as it the collar is fair game and the hair is obstructing it what should happen?

          • October 1st 2017 @ 10:23am
            HarryT said | October 1st 2017 @ 10:23am | ! Report

            Yeah, he grabbed the back of his jumper first but lost his grip because the guys hair was where he grabbed.

            It was very interesting that there was no review by the TV station or the TMO of the Bok number 4 charging in despite Hooper’s insistence.

            • Roar Guru

              October 1st 2017 @ 10:44am
              Armand van Zyl said | October 1st 2017 @ 10:44am | ! Report

              What I heard on through the tellie was that the referee felt that the hair pulling warranted only a penalty. After that, he asked the TMO if there was anything to look at in the scuffle and the TMO said there was nothing.

              As Hooper walked away, you can hear the ref telling him: “We checked it and the TMO said he’s happy.”

        • October 1st 2017 @ 9:57am
          The Stranglers said | October 1st 2017 @ 9:57am | ! Report

          He went for the collar and missed. Shouldn’t have been a penalty.

          • October 1st 2017 @ 8:17pm
            double agent said | October 1st 2017 @ 8:17pm | ! Report

            Things like that happen in a second. Folau probably didn’t even realise it.

          • October 1st 2017 @ 8:47pm
            Jerry said | October 1st 2017 @ 8:47pm | ! Report

            Tackling by the collar is also illegal.

            • October 1st 2017 @ 10:06pm
              double agent said | October 1st 2017 @ 10:06pm | ! Report

              True. It wouldn’t have been a yellow though. He did get penalised you realise?

              • October 2nd 2017 @ 8:32am
                Jerry said | October 2nd 2017 @ 8:32am | ! Report

                Read the post I replied to.

        • Roar Guru

          October 1st 2017 @ 11:13am
          PeterK said | October 1st 2017 @ 11:13am | ! Report

          no way was the hair pull a yc.

          Folau first has him by the collar , his long hair is tangled in it, then his grip is lost on the collar but he matians his hold on the hair, only looks bad in slow mo, real time it was were a very short time before he let go.

          Sure a penalty no issue.

          I notice the ref nor broadcasters reviewed etzebeth driving his elbow into the head area despite hoope pointing it out. Not saying that was worth a card but it deserved a review to see whether he did that or if was just in the chest.

          • Roar Guru

            October 1st 2017 @ 7:40pm
            The Neutral View From Sweden said | October 1st 2017 @ 7:40pm | ! Report

            I notice the ref nor broadcasters reviewed etzebeth driving his elbow into the head area

            No elbows from Eben, watch from 5.40 in this clip (and put it on slo-mo). Open hands around upper chest, throat, chin on Folau (a big push).
            Beale was a bit lucky also to avoid a YC, he jumps on Etzebeth (very brave of Beale but to be frank, not a good call because Etzebeth shakes him off like an elephant shakes of an ant).

            • October 1st 2017 @ 8:16pm
              double agent said | October 1st 2017 @ 8:16pm | ! Report

              The clip doesn’t show the first contact so is a bit useless really.

              • Roar Guru

                October 1st 2017 @ 8:29pm
                The Neutral View From Sweden said | October 1st 2017 @ 8:29pm | ! Report

                BS! It most def show the first contact.

              • October 1st 2017 @ 10:08pm
                double agent said | October 1st 2017 @ 10:08pm | ! Report

                My mistake. It does show the first contact. There’s still a bit missing though.

            • Roar Guru

              October 2nd 2017 @ 10:48am
              PeterK said | October 2nd 2017 @ 10:48am | ! Report

              agree no elbow, Eben is good at the face slapping and open handed attacks to the throat and face though

              I would like to see how he lands on him when he is prone, that was an act of foul play as well driving on top of a player on the ground.

      • October 1st 2017 @ 9:23am
        zubrick said | October 1st 2017 @ 9:23am | ! Report

        foley kicked the ball out on the full twice giving big territory advantage to the boks
        unforgivable for an international 10 in a tight test
        larkham and burns need to spend a lot more time with him

        • October 1st 2017 @ 8:16pm
          double agent said | October 1st 2017 @ 8:16pm | ! Report

          Hooper should’ve gone for goal.

    • Roar Guru

      October 1st 2017 @ 8:05am
      Armand van Zyl said | October 1st 2017 @ 8:05am | ! Report

      I’m usually civil and respectful when it comes to Spiro’s articles as well as yours, David, but this is absolute garbage.

      The pass from Leyds to Serfontein was clearly backwards out of the hands. I don’t know why you cite the last pass since Jantjies never succeeded in the conversion, and the Wallabies were in the Springbok half not a minute afterwards. If you want to play this game, you should remember that Springbok supporters can do the same.

      I don’t think that Israel Folau’s hair-pulling deserved a yellow card, but I have seen plenty given for the action. The pass that led to Folau’s try (the first of the game) could also be argued as being forward, if we’re looking at it from the same perspective you’re looking at the pass to Serfontein.

      I’m pretty sure I can find more dubious calls that would lead to the assumption that the Springboks were robbed.

      The draw was a fair result, just like it was in Australia. It sucks for the both of us, but it is what it is. You can trust me when I say that we’re not happy with the result any more than you are.

      • October 1st 2017 @ 8:18am
        Taylorman said | October 1st 2017 @ 8:18am | ! Report

        Agree, I think everyone jumped on the commentators comment and went with it blindly. Turn the sound off and watch it, and youll struggle to rate either as forward.

        • October 1st 2017 @ 8:19pm
          double agent said | October 1st 2017 @ 8:19pm | ! Report

          The one near the end of the game is obviously forward. How can you say it’s not?

      • October 1st 2017 @ 8:57am
        Redsfan1 said | October 1st 2017 @ 8:57am | ! Report

        one thing Lord said “lineouts and scrims better against a bigger pack”. Really? I thought Wallabies pack would be just as big or even bigger then Boks?! Coleman and Rodda are huge.

        • Roar Guru

          October 1st 2017 @ 10:47am
          Armand van Zyl said | October 1st 2017 @ 10:47am | ! Report

          Not too much of a difference in size. Both sets of props were fairly even in size, Marx and Poluta-Nau also fairly even. Locks also even. Kolisi and Dempsey pretty even. Louw bigger than Hooper. JL du Preez bigger than McMahon.

          I think both packs were around 890kg’

      • October 1st 2017 @ 11:16am
        Damo said | October 1st 2017 @ 11:16am | ! Report

        Sorry mate but you are missing the point of the forward pass issue. With 3 minutes to go, sucking 2 minutes out for a penalty that shouldn’t have been awarded because of the previous infringement was the game changer. It robbed the WBs a chance to have a final crack. Appallingly amature officiating that shouldn’t happen at this level.

      • Roar Guru

        October 1st 2017 @ 11:18am
        PeterK said | October 1st 2017 @ 11:18am | ! Report

        Armand – agree with this, neither team would be happy, the ref of course made mistakes but was not the decider one way or another.

        I thought the ref was very good at rucks, consistent and mostly accurate.
        Scrums were quite good as well.

        He missed obvious knockons and forward passes , I think his positioning in general play is poor so he is often unsighted to where the ball goes.

        World rugby should be looking at how forwards mainly, but backs as well, run into the defence as forward blockers with the ball passing behind them. No issue them being in front but they should not intentionally run into defenders, it takes them out of being in position for cover tackles or the ball coming back their way.

        • Roar Guru

          October 1st 2017 @ 4:35pm
          Fox said | October 1st 2017 @ 4:35pm | ! Report

          What makes DL article also pretty stupid is that most of the stats favor the Boks not the Wallabies

          Possession Boks 59%- Wallabies 41%
          Metres gained – Boks 619m – Wallabies 438m
          Carries Boks 141 – Wallabies 95
          Defenders beaten Boks 27 – Wallabies 21
          Clean Breaks Boks 23- Wallabies 12
          Passes Boks 198 Wallabies 116
          Offloads Boks 22 Wallabies 15
          Turnovers won defence Boks – 5 Wallabies 4
          Turnovers conceded
          in attack Wallabies 9 Boks 11
          Missed tackles Boks 20 Wallabies 27 ( becoming an issue for the Wallabies and Boks / AB’s
          only missed 10 against the Pumas without their front line side which
          illustrates how costly it is becoming.Argentina missed 35 so this may be
          becoming a big point of difference between the four sides. How much it
          costs games is a matter of opinion of course but certainly is a factor
          Rucks won Boks 83 Wallabies 58
          Mauls won Boks 6 Wallabies 2
          Rucks Lost Boks 3 Wallabies 3
          Lineouts won Boks 17 Wallabies 8
          Lineouts lost Wallabies 1 Boks 2
          Scrums lost Wallabies 0 Boks 2

          These stats hardly scream “Wallabies robbed ” DL – I thought it was great game and contest

        • October 1st 2017 @ 8:20pm
          double agent said | October 1st 2017 @ 8:20pm | ! Report

          The obstructions are getting very concerning.

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