England culture “has to change” after Ben Stokes: Michael Vaughan

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    Former captain Michael Vaughan says the England cricket team must change their culture after the Ben Stokes’ arrest.

    The allrounder was arrested early last Monday following a night out in Bristol, on suspicion of causing actual bodily harm after getting into a fight. Video footage allegedly shows Stokes throwing punches and knocking a man to the ground.

    He has not been charged but police inquiries continue. Stokes and other teammates including Alex Hales were out celebrating a one-day international win over the West Indies less than 72 hours before their next game.

    Vaughan says team management need to address how their players behave.

    “Yes, he’s 26 years of age, he should be more mature, he has made a massive mistake and I have no sympathy for Ben Stokes whatsoever,” Vaughan told BBC 5Live.

    “But the management of the England team have to look at themselves in the mirror and say, ‘Hang on a minute, could we have done a bit more? Could we have been a bit stricter?’.

    “I am not saying I want a headmaster and have a curfew and say ,’You have got to be in your room by 11pm and you can never drink’, but there is a time and a place and I just think now, with what has gone on this week, the culture of cricket has to change quickly.”

    Stokes has been involved in drink-related incidents before, having been sent home from a 2013 Lions tour. It has been reported he had been out partying during a Test match earlier this year at Old Trafford.

    Vaughan says the hierarchy should have been aware.

    “A story came out this week that Ben Stokes was out until 3am during a Test match in Manchester,” Vaughan added.

    “I knew that at the time, it was the talk of the media centre. The story was ripped out of the newspapers; it wasn’t allowed to go in; they fought tooth and nail to make sure that story didn’t reach the papers – bad PR, looks terrible on Ben Stokes.

    “If I knew it and the media knew it, how come anything wasn’t done to Ben Stokes in the England team?

    “When we go on tour, we go to Australia, to India, to Bangladesh, there is a huge amount of security. There is no way in a million years any England player is allowed out, they’re allowed to go and party, but there is no way they are allowed out on their own at that time of night.”

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    • October 4th 2017 @ 3:45am
      Tanmoy Kar said | October 4th 2017 @ 3:45am | ! Report

      It seems Ben Stokes is a hot-minded person who got irritated very easily. Without Stokes, England has very little hope in the Ashes.

    • October 4th 2017 @ 10:06am
      AGordon said | October 4th 2017 @ 10:06am | ! Report

      Vaughn is confusing two issues. He’s saying the “England team culture must change” but this is not about the entire team but about one guy, Stokes. Warner had a similar but less serious incident in a Test series in England and thankfully, the media did not jump on the bandwagon and say “the Australian team culture must change”, because it recognised it was one bloke doing something stupid. So issue one, make sure all contracted players know of and adhere to a some sort of standards code.

      Issue two is obviously Stokes. It seems clear the guy has alcohol issues, anger management issues and time management issues if he’s consistently out at stupid o’clock in the morning.

      Apart from the current mess he’s created, the England management should dump on him to try and get it through his head just how serious his behaviour is seen by millions of others. He’s obviously not real smart if he’s done a number of similar things in the past but the onus is on him to sort it out. Having a minder obviously doesn’t work as I assume this was the role Alex Hales was trying to do when Stokes went ballistic.

      If he can’t get his act together…… cricket has survived for a few hundred years and I’m sure it will continue to do so without Ben Stokes.

      • October 4th 2017 @ 10:18am
        northerner said | October 4th 2017 @ 10:18am | ! Report

        I think the point Vaughn is making, and it’s a fair one, is that the management culture of turning a blind eye to these things, of not setting down hard rules on behaviour during and around major matches, and then enforcing them, is what needs to change. Sure, Stokes is responsible for his own behaviour, but management is responsible for setting standards and holding players to those standards, and quite clearly, they have done little to rein in a serial offender. That’s what needs to change.

        • October 4th 2017 @ 11:10am
          AGordon said | October 4th 2017 @ 11:10am | ! Report

          fair call, northerner.

          It seems to be a recurring theme with Australian and English players and I assumed there was some sort of Code of Conduct in place from years ago. I think back to Ponting’s infamous Kings Cross black eye and the CA Board said at the time they had certain standards in place that cricketers were supposed to meet.

          The ECB is stuck because it is Stokes. If it was anyone else in the team who’d transgressed, except Root, Cook or Broad, he would have been out of the touring side already, I reckon. Both they and the police over there, seem to be dragging their heals over this, maybe hoping it will some how go away.

          • Roar Guru

            October 5th 2017 @ 8:24am
            Chris Kettlewell said | October 5th 2017 @ 8:24am | ! Report

            Yeah, there have been incidents like this with some major Australian players, but generally it’s been when they’ve still been really young and not in the team that long, and it’s generally served as a turning point where they’ve cleaned themselves up from then on and also become improved cricketers because of it. Stokes has been around for a number of years now, is old enough to know better, and has had a number of other issues (none nearly this bad, but enough red-flags that things should have been addressed) that have gone unchecked and his behaviour hasn’t matured, he’s just continued the same.

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        October 4th 2017 @ 9:20pm
        Ronan O'Connell said | October 4th 2017 @ 9:20pm | ! Report

        “He’s saying the “England team culture must change” but this is not about the entire team but about one guy, Stokes.”

        It’s about more than just Stokes – Hales was in the fight with him, kicking someone while they were on the ground.

        And Vaughan is concerned about the fact that Stokes has been flirting with late-night trouble for a long time now yet, it seems, was never properly reeled in by teammates or the ECB.

    • October 4th 2017 @ 11:28am
      Ouch said | October 4th 2017 @ 11:28am | ! Report

      If Stokes makes an appearance in Australia in any form of the game, the ECB will lose all credibility. The guy is a serial offender. They should have dealt with him long ago but instead they rewarded him by giving him the vice-captaincy.

      • Roar Guru

        October 4th 2017 @ 11:38am
        Edward L'Orange said | October 4th 2017 @ 11:38am | ! Report

        I’ll be surprised if he doesn’t play in Australia in some capacity. I think it’s far beyond the ECB to ban him for both the test and ODI series. I expect him to be dropped for 2-3 tests, and then come back in for the last couple. At the very worst he’ll be dropped for the Ashes and play the ODIs.

        The only thing that will really stop them is if the cops pursue criminal charges, which I think is unlikely.

        • Roar Guru

          October 4th 2017 @ 12:03pm
          Rellum said | October 4th 2017 @ 12:03pm | ! Report

          Of course he will play. What ever reason they come up with or punishment they give him will allow him to play in the ashes.

          • October 4th 2017 @ 2:16pm
            matth said | October 4th 2017 @ 2:16pm | ! Report

            I assume he will be stripped of the vice captaincy as punishment and made to attend some sort of counselling and then will turn up at the Gabba.

            Contrast how KP was treated.

            • October 4th 2017 @ 4:26pm
              George said | October 4th 2017 @ 4:26pm | ! Report

              KP never should have been recalled after texting immediate opponents about his own team’s weaknesses. Not sure why they bother trying to reintegrate someone that self-absorbed.

            • October 4th 2017 @ 6:44pm
              Josh said | October 4th 2017 @ 6:44pm | ! Report

              Yeah im sorry, Stokes was a drunk yobo who got into a fight, Pieterson betrayed his team mates.

        • October 4th 2017 @ 1:13pm
          Ouch said | October 4th 2017 @ 1:13pm | ! Report

          After the carry-on from the poms about Warner after the Root incident, it would be hypocritical in the extreme if they allowed him to play.
          If the shoe was on the other foot and it was an Aussie who had bashed a couple of guys the wailing would be deafening. I guess it depends how desperate they are.
          There have been quite a few articles in the English press advocating a year long ban for Stokes which includes preventing him from playing in the IPL

          • Roar Guru

            October 4th 2017 @ 4:04pm
            Edward L'Orange said | October 4th 2017 @ 4:04pm | ! Report

            The thing about humans is that we don’t like hypocrisy, but it’s never really stopped anyone doing what they want.

        • October 4th 2017 @ 1:56pm
          jameswm said | October 4th 2017 @ 1:56pm | ! Report

          How are criminal charges unlikely? Not from the footage I saw.

          • October 4th 2017 @ 2:18pm
            matth said | October 4th 2017 @ 2:18pm | ! Report

            In the same way that footballers at different times around the country are only charged if they are fringe first graders. Rep players tend to get away with it. They get good behaviour bonds, or the victim miraculously refuses to press charges.

            • Roar Guru

              October 4th 2017 @ 4:07pm
              Edward L'Orange said | October 4th 2017 @ 4:07pm | ! Report

              This, unfortunately, is exactly what I mean. These things have a funny way of disappearing when it comes to people in the spotlight.

    • October 4th 2017 @ 1:25pm
      Mike Dugg said | October 4th 2017 @ 1:25pm | ! Report

      Warner hit one guy and was banned for three matches. Stokes has a long history of unprofessional behavior.

    • October 4th 2017 @ 1:34pm
      Alan said | October 4th 2017 @ 1:34pm | ! Report

      Vaughan is the numpty who was tweeting his support for Stokes at first. You’d feel safe with him covering your back.

    • October 4th 2017 @ 2:20pm
      matth said | October 4th 2017 @ 2:20pm | ! Report

      It will depend whether England are more worried about a PR disaster or a cricketing disaster.

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