How much are we to blame for Postecoglou's downfall?

Ditto.

Apart from scoring the second goal, Cahill was barely involved after half-time. He'll be just as useful in 40 years time if they let him take the field with a walking frame and a step-ladder.

Yep and he proved he can play 120 mins instead of being subbed after 70 mins in a back 4.

And just to clarify, the 3-at-the-back thing is a separate issue. That's just added a defensive problem to the problem we already had of almost always moving the ball too slowly upfield.

This is why Cahill had not scored a goal under the back 3 system until last week yes?

totally irrelevant as our opposition have the same travel issues as us.

The Ange-defenders will say that's a pretty dodgy use of statistics. 2015 and 2016 include some big scores against very weak Asian teams (Bangladesh, Tajikstan) in the first rounds of World Cup qualification. 2017 results are against far stronger Asian teams and Brazil, Germany etc. It's hard to compare the years at an aggregate level. More interesting is the difficulty the Aussies have had in the last few games against Thailand, who are ranked far lower than us. The Thais got flogged by Japan and Saudi Arabia, who are ranked about the same as us. Many Ange-defenders point to number of shots. But counting shots is another dodgy use of statistics. Although we had lots of shots against Thailand it would be interesting to count how many of those were good chances or just hopeful hacks (either from distance or through a crowd of defenders). My memory of those games is how rarely we stretched their defence with quick movement to make real scoring opportunities. Mostly, we laboriously moved the ball upfield and then tried to work through a well-set defence. If shots were the sole performance measure then last year Troisi would have almost single-handedly made Victory a great team. Unfortunately his conversion rate is appalling. Last year, he had something like 100 shots, of which only about 30 were on target, and he only scored 6 goals.

Ä Rugby League coach would be sacked if he fiddled with the line up? I have one answer to that Laurie Daly. lol

The current administration are killing the game and must go ASAP.

I'd suggest the reason ''People keep criticising him on having 3 only at the back", Cool N Cold is results driven. Looking at yearly results since Ange took over (and not including 2014 with the World Cup) 2015 Goals for 33 - Against 8 2016 Goals for 23- Against 10 2017 Goals for 15 - Against 17 Considering it was early this year, think against Iraq in March when he changed to the '3 at back' formation and since then its all gone pear shaped.

How much are we to blame for Postecoglou’s downfall? Response? Nothing, zilch, zero.........................................it's ALL his own fault. No-one but he himself knows why he decided to change everything around and start making loony-toon team selections, coupled with crazy, kamakazi playing formations which have turned the team's fairly straight forward qualification path into a mission from hell that threatens to careen off the rails. I say put up OR shut up Ange! If you really "believed" your own spiel about the importance of playing style, above everything else, then I say prove it by paying back all the money that you have been paid since you changed the formations and accepting NO further payment for your "work" (HAHA!) unless you qualify the team for the WC! That would prove if you really truly believe what you say or NOT! Fat chance!.....................I'll bet it will a cold day in hell before that ever happens! HA! In fact, I strongly suspect that the strength of conviction of Ange's "belief systems" are far more closely aligned with the "beliefs" freely espoused by someone like our flakey current Prime Minister, who disposes of his beliefs like someone changes their undies, than say, someone like a TRUE believer such as Muhummad Ali, who was prepared to give everything up, including going to gaol for his beliefs!

Except Ange decides who does what; as is his role as manager. He makes the decisions he deems best for the objective; be it a single game, entire qualification, or beyond. Mooy needs to understand what Ange wants, not the other way around.

Firstly, a look around corporate Australia will show that this is untrue. Executives are interested in shareholders, not workers, who can be purchased any time, and are disposable. Even if it were true, perhaps you should think of it in terms of Postecoglou -- did he understand the job that Mooy does, and did he understand what needed to be achieved in the game? He said there was no way Tim Cahill wanted to be taken off the field -- I would suggest Aaron Mooy would feel the same way as Cahill -- yet Postecoglou showed a lack of understanding and kept him from doing his job.

I don't know how much David Gallop knows about football, but I would suspect more than most of us fans. He certainly knows more about sports management than most of us do, and that's his job. He also knows how rugby league works, I suppose, and he knows a rugby league coach would be sacked if he fiddled with the line-up like Ange Postecoglou did with the Socceroos, before this game. You don't see changes like this before a State of Origin match, because the coaches are professional. Postecoglou has done a good job in many ways, but he is in the difficult position of trying to steer Australia into the top 32 countries when it doesn't belong there. Australia was a first world country, which was able to improve before the rest of football's minnows were able to, because we were a wealthy country with a lot of advantages. The USA di it on a bigger scale. As more underdeveloped countries have more excess money now, we have lost an advantage over them. Some of them have a stronger football culture than we do. So Postecoglou is fighting against economics and demographics, as well as footballing countries. It's a big ask, and we won't see an Australian team do as well until football culture changes, demographics change and/or economics change.

Hahahhha this is too good

“Like I said, I think we’ve probably forgotten that we won the game 2-1 and maybe — if I’ve got anything to say — maybe we get a great deal more enjoyment now in this country about trying to knock someone down or failure than we actually do get enjoyment from actually winning," Kelvin Muscat.

I'm pretty sure if we fail to qualify we'll be looking at tactics and formations, not the Fox team

The problem with some of these Fox football experts, is while not providing too much analytical analysis & enjoy the more controversial side of things, are the footballing mouthpiece to the wide mainstream public & media. I can assure you they are doing more harm to this game here then any of Ange's poor slections or persistence with a back 3.

You're one of the poisonous (and ignorant) ones who think a world cup finals spot is a given. We aren't good enough to walk into the finals. Holland, Chile, USA.... hmm..

A week ago he was talking about going to Russia and winning everything. Admittedly its still a rumour, but I think he got the sh1ts once again after the press conference and threatened to resign. Someone overheard it and told the Melb Herald Sun, because they are red hot keen to print negative stories about Sokkah.