The Socceroos should be led by a crack team of 11 legendary Aussie coaches

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    With Ange Postecoglou likely to have said farewell to the national coaching job this time next month, FFA need a change of strategy and philosophy. Forget hiring a replacement from overseas – forget even hiring a football coach!

    There are a plethora of local, world-championship winning coaches in other sports that the football team should be mining for expertise.

    Australia have world-championship hockey and swimming coaches, and a domestic roster of unbelievably successful coaches that would be the envy of any other league on the planet.

    How many other salary-cap restricted leagues can boast Wayne Bennett, Craig Bellamy or Alastair Clarkson? These are coaches to whom the concept of failure simply doesn’t exist.

    And it’s not just wins and losses, defence and attack that judge a good coach. We need one to pull out a great speech, one who can blame the ref, one who sledges, one who has full support of the boys etc. Only then can Australia seriously entertain the idea of winning the cup.

    Why shouldn’t football utilise every opportunity it has to succeed?

    Let’s not pick just a football coach, but a crack team of coaches to drive the team to success.

    Let’s be like Swiss politics: not one president, but eight! But why have eight, when you can have a neater eleven! Eleven individuals, each champions for a particular facet of coaching that the Australian football team needs.

    1. Defensive coach
    Paul Roos. How could it be anyone else? The current team have serious defensive issues, leaking crucial goals at the most terrible times of the match. Under Roos, this would no longer be a problem.

    The grand architect of the flood is desperately needed to patch up, reinforce and barricade the defensive lines. Picture all 11 Australians routinely in the box!

    2. Attacking coach
    Alastair Clarkson. The Hawthorn three-peat was defined by attack, attack, attack (it was also defined by an equally frugal defensive line, but that’s not the point right now).

    Australia just aren’t putting enough goals into the next and Clarkson can introduce the Clarkson cluster into football – namely, keep the midfield protected while making a direct line to the goal – and watch the goals flow.

    He’s also a vital pick to counter Roos, who would forget to coach his team the essential art of goal scoring.

    3. Bring the best out of the boys coach
    Craig Bellamy. The current problem with the Australian team is that many are simply not as good as the previous generation of Socceroos. Since none would have walked into the starting XI that Australia took to Germany in 2006 (Tim Cahill aside of course), we need Bellamy.

    At the Storm he has continually managed to develop talent rejected by other teams and turn them into premiership and individual-accolade winning stars. Imagine what he can do with this football team? Robbie Kruse may even develop the use of his left foot if he is going to be a left winger.

    Craig Bellamy tall

    Photo by Cameron Spencer/Getty Images

    4. Don’t choke coach
    Don Talbot. This man is, by far, the most successful Australian national swimming coach ever. Yes, he was blessed to have Ian Thorpe and Grant Hackett there to ensure the gold tally was topped up nicely, but subsequent coaches have had a plethora of world champions and record holders, only to walk away with nothing come Olympics time.

    Talbot ensured there was no choking under pressure or getting overcome by the big stage. There is no bigger stage than the World Cup, and no better-qualified individual to negate that.

    A little bonus is that Talbot can make sure they swim safe in the warm-down pool as well. Shut the gate!

    5. Tactical barb coach
    I wanted to call this the ‘mental disintegration’ or ‘sledging’ coach, but feel that may be a little too brusque. Either way, look no further than Steve Waugh.

    He practically perfected the targeted sledge and Australia are going to need to draw upon this reserve when we are inevitably drawn into the group of death and need more than just football talent to get into the knockout stage.

    George Gregan was unlucky to not get in this role, as few have had the gumption to sledge the All Blacks and back it up.

    6. Chips are down coach
    Ron Barassi. Down at halftime? All hope is lost? Booking an early plane flight home? Send in Barassi and see a miraculous, come-from-behind victory.

    We’ll need that if we play Germany.

    7. Unorthodox style coach.
    John Buchanan. The man who introduced sports science to cricket and presided over the most successful period Australian cricket has ever known.

    How more unorthodox can a cricket coach in the football team be?

    8. Loyalty coach
    Laurie Daley. The last thing Australia need is disunity, division and disenfranchisement. Do you want a coach at a press conference throwing you under a bus for non-performance, or for skipping a training session, or getting on the juice the night before a big game? No. You want someone who will defend you with their dying breath, and live in a completely deluded bubble about your abilities and personality.

    Enter Mr Daley.

    9. Ref blaming coach
    Ricky Stuart. This job could be performed by an impressive sub-panel of locals, as it is the national sport to immediately blame the referee or umpire in the immediate aftermath of a loss, then retract the comments later to mitigate the financial penalty imposed. However, only the true champion ref bashing coaches stand their ground and still insist the refs are poor three to four days later.

    After an exhaustive elimination process, the shortlist was narrowed down to Des Hasler and Ricky Stuart (rugby league is a world leader in this profession). Neither cede a centimetre at a post-match press conference, or subsequent mid-week presser at the training grounds. I’ve picked Stuart, because there is no other coach around that would still blame the refs even after one of his players doesn’t get sent off for a late swinging arm.

    That’s the commitment Australian football needs.

    10. Against all odds coach
    John Bertrand. You need someone at the helm who isn’t given a snowflake’s chance in summer. Someone who will win because they aren’t expected to.

    You need to do it in a sport Australia has never had any embedded success in. John Bertrand, come on down.

    11. The naturalised Aussie
    Brian Goorjian. Perhaps the most forgotten coach in Australian sporting history, the man’s record is insanely good, with six premierships from 13 grand final appearances (in fact, why Collingwood never hired him is a mystery).

    He’s also a proven winner in a sport that uses a round ball that needs to be propelled into a net. Can’t see why he couldn’t transition to football.

    And the panel needs a token foreign-born Aussie to reflect our proud multicultural traditions.

    Finally, after that crack panel of elite coaches has developed a super squad, revert back to a single head coach structure by appointing Mal Meninga to shepherd a team of superstars to continued success.

    Did I miss anyone?

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    • October 17th 2017 @ 6:36am
      Slane said | October 17th 2017 @ 6:36am | ! Report

      The Socceroos would be unstoppable!

    • October 17th 2017 @ 8:06am
      Olrac said | October 17th 2017 @ 8:06am | ! Report

      Hardwick, take a middling team with some talent and allot of tryers and win a league cup playoff.

      Could be the Underdog coach!

    • October 17th 2017 @ 8:24am
      Nemesis said | October 17th 2017 @ 8:24am | ! Report

      It’s amazing to see how badly people from outside the football community covet,yearn for and dream about being part of the Greatest Game on the Planet: Football.

      Do we ever see a football person thinking “If only things were different, I’m sure I could coach an AFL/NRL/Cricket team”? Did Sir Alex wonder “could I coach NFL”? Does Ange Postecoglou think “I wish I could coach AUS in The Ashes”?

      Nah. A successful coach in club football first dreams about coaching successfully in a professional league.

      Then the aim is to coach successfully in the highest quality domestic football league.

      Then, the next stage in the career development is to be successful coaching a club in the highest international football league.

      Finally, the Holy Grail is to coach a successful nation at the World Club.

      But, for the other sports… the dream – for both Aussie players and coaches – now is pretending “I could have been a successful as a football player, or football coach”.

      For a sport that Aussies don’t like, it’s amazing how they always benchmark themselves against our Game & dream of how they Couldabeen Champions in Football.

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        October 17th 2017 @ 9:14am
        spruce moose said | October 17th 2017 @ 9:14am | ! Report

        I’m dying to know two things Nemesis

        1. What makes you ‘inside the football community’? Any proof you were once an employee of FFA, or a amateur/semi-pro player/coach in Australia? All I ever read from you is that you watch a lot of football, and probably played a bit of lower grade/casual football on the weekends. You’re no different from any of us…I’d argue I’m more inside the community than you if anything. Those truly inside the community are much more open to co-exist with other sports, and can warmly support other sports too. As an example, your beloved Ange has been a lifelong member of Carlton Football Club, and even attends matches (shock). Is he therefore traitorous in your eyes?

        You view supporting football as equal to being a Catholic.

        2. I love how you seem to think that football coaching pathways are unique and distinct from any other sport on the planet. Yet your philosophy can easily be applied to rugby league, rugby union, basketball, American football, cricket…Ange also hires consultants from other sports to improve his coaching. Is he therefore betraying the community, or even the unique dream of real football coaches?

        Football is no more special or unique from any other sport on the planet. Philosophies of coaching are applicable across many sports.

        Baby boomers…

        • October 17th 2017 @ 9:47am
          mattq said | October 17th 2017 @ 9:47am | ! Report

          this article is tongue in cheek though, right. I mean that’s how I read it but your point 2 response is concerning I may have got the gist wrong…. If you are indeed being serious, it’s insulting that you overlook the lengthy coaching license criteria in football that aspiring coaches undertake and assume some lacky from another sport can just step into a professional football coaching role. but I shouldn’t be surprised given AFL thought a rugby league player could just step into their elite comp with no experience in the game only that he is tall, fast and can jump.

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            October 17th 2017 @ 9:56am
            spruce moose said | October 17th 2017 @ 9:56am | ! Report

            Indeed tongue and cheek

            And definitely no intend to belittle the lengthy coaching license criteria in football (arguably the principal reason for Iceland’s recent success!). For the purposes of the response to Nemesis it was deliberately ignored as he also did not raise it.

            It was more reflecting on the fact that long term goals for football coaches remain inline with the long term goals of coaches in other sports i.e moving up through the ranks of amateur, semi-pro, professional, regional, national etc.

            Nemesis seems to think that is unique only to football, which is of course nonsense.

            History has shown that jumping straight into top flight coaching (in any sport) is more often a failure than a success, and hence a reward for others going through the hard yards.

        • October 17th 2017 @ 10:02am
          Nemesis said | October 17th 2017 @ 10:02am | ! Report

          So, amongst your “11 legendary Aussie Coaches”, you couldn’t find one – not even one – legendary coach who is Aussie and is a Football coach.

          That tells me all I need to know.

          The Ashes & RL WC are around the corner. Let’s know when you write an article that include a legendary Aussie Football Coach to lead the national RL & Cricket teams.

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            October 17th 2017 @ 10:44am
            spruce moose said | October 17th 2017 @ 10:44am | ! Report


            As you clearly missed in the opening paragraphs in this firmly tongue and cheek article, the intention was to NOT pick a football coach. “Forget hiring a replacement from overseas – forget even hiring a football coach!”

            You can’t read. Tells me all I need to know.

          • October 17th 2017 @ 4:16pm
            scoop said | October 17th 2017 @ 4:16pm | ! Report

            get a sense of humour

      • October 17th 2017 @ 8:47pm
        AR said | October 17th 2017 @ 8:47pm | ! Report

        Fuss’ famed sense of humour remains intact.

        • October 18th 2017 @ 8:06am
          Fadida said | October 18th 2017 @ 8:06am | ! Report

          In a black and white world there is no room for grey for ol’ Fuss

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      October 17th 2017 @ 9:43am
      Rick Figjam said | October 17th 2017 @ 9:43am | ! Report

      I was having a similar discussion the other day with a patient, whilst paying a huge compliment to Cam Smith, arguably Australia’s smartest sportsman.

      He’ll without doubt coach at some stage, but his children play AFL. He’s also a huge fan of the the Hawthorn FC. I’d poach him if I were the Hawks — he’s clearly got a love for the game with smarts that would transcend codes.

      Bellamy took League to a new level of professionalism after spending time with the Collingwood FC. He was shocked at the number of coaches in the box along with the amount of data collated during a game.

      The NFL is looking to our own GPS technology by Catapult Sports many of our AFL teams use (and some A-League teams already), but it’s the use of the data that’s critical.

      I have no doubt the Socceroos professionalism could be vastly improved with the help of our other codes and experience.

      The level of prestige probably isn’t there for some of these coaches though. The Socceroos brand doesn’t resonate with a majority of Australians like an AFL coach does in their market or an Origin coach in NSW or QLD for example.

      Clarkson has shown some interest already when it comes to consulting with other sports overseas. He’d be a good place to start if the FFA did want to pick someones brain.

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        October 17th 2017 @ 9:52am
        spruce moose said | October 17th 2017 @ 9:52am | ! Report

        Craig Bellamy has often attributed much of his success to his collaborations with other sports.

        Sir Alex Ferguson would often meet with rugby league coaches in Manchester for ideas (and vice versa of course). Though I think Nemesis would qualify that as a treasonous act.

        • October 17th 2017 @ 10:11am
          Caltex TEN & SBS support Australian Football said | October 17th 2017 @ 10:11am | ! Report

          “Sir Alex Ferguson would often meet with rugby league coaches in Manchester for ideas”

          I laughed and I laughed…. Do you have any proof of that?

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            October 17th 2017 @ 10:50am
            spruce moose said | October 17th 2017 @ 10:50am | ! Report

            I do vividly recall seeing a few docos on the Warrington Wolves where he would pop on into training, and vice versa.

            It’s just smart stuff by all. Each sport has subtle differences in training regimes or recovery exercises that can be transferred to each sport.

            • October 17th 2017 @ 11:00am
              Caltex TEN & SBS support Australian Football said | October 17th 2017 @ 11:00am | ! Report

              Promotion for a struggling RL outfit, is not exchanging football ideas.

          • October 17th 2017 @ 10:56am
            northerner said | October 17th 2017 @ 10:56am | ! Report


            This is mainly about an NRL coach learning from Fergie – but it includes the following point:

            “It was not just a one-way street either; Ferguson was keen to pick Maguire’s brain about his philosophies and plans. ‘There was a bit of toing and froing, he was very open which was great,’ said Maguire.”

            Technical expertise is specific to a particular code or occupation, but management expertise crosses a lot of boundaries. Any competent manager will be looking to learn from a whole range of sources, not all of them in his own particular area of specialization.

            • October 17th 2017 @ 11:05am
              Nemesis said | October 17th 2017 @ 11:05am | ! Report

              Fully agree. Management skills can be learned from anyone who is successful in a management role.

              So, why not choose a successful Aussie business manager. Say, Steve McCann who is in charge of Lend Lease – an organisation with over 12,000 employees and operations all across the globe?

              Or, maybe, an Aussie who is leading the team of transplant surgeons at the Alfred Hospital in Melbourne?

              This is an international job. So, why choose coaches who have never challenged themselves outside Australia?

              The majority of names mentioned on this list have had, and will have, ZERO international success. The closest they’d come to international exposure is ordering a Chinese Take Away & poking fun at the waiters.

            • October 17th 2017 @ 11:09am
              Caltex TEN & SBS support Australian Football said | October 17th 2017 @ 11:09am | ! Report

              Fergie, was just being kind or condescending—-if you actually believe this RL journalist, you are totally naïve.

            • October 17th 2017 @ 11:52am
              northerner said | October 17th 2017 @ 11:52am | ! Report

              Caltex – google is your friend. You’ll find a number of references to Fergie’s past and recent links with Wigan. No doubt he was the avuncular advisor, but the fact remains that he was open to ideas from beyond his own code. Most great coaches are. Conditioning, nutrition, and man management are all subjects on which one code can learn from another. In some cases, even technique – ie cricket using baseball coaches to improve fielding. A smart coach learns from whatever sources he can, just like a smart manager does.

              • October 17th 2017 @ 1:04pm
                Caltex TEN & SBS support Australian Football said | October 17th 2017 @ 1:04pm | ! Report

                As I said, it’s all to do with promotion for struggling Rugby League club desperate for publicity. You can’t be serious; if you think Fergie would go to a Rugby League coach before an Ancelotti, Mourinho, Guardiola or even his own football technical advisory countrymen you are being totally naïve. Don’t believe everything you read on Google it is full of misinformation about who people would turn to on all things related to football—especially the stuff written by other code’s journalists. Logic is your friend!

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                October 17th 2017 @ 2:57pm
                spruce moose said | October 17th 2017 @ 2:57pm | ! Report

                Your post is absurd Caltex.

                It makes more sense that Ferguson would go to a rugby league club than his direct competitors! That’s like suggesting Kevin Muscat will give Graham Arnold a ring on tips and tactics instead of searching for competitive advantages outside of football.

              • October 17th 2017 @ 3:00pm
                northerner said | October 17th 2017 @ 3:00pm | ! Report

                I really have trouble with people who don’t “get” the concept of exchanging ideas.

                Managers learn a lot about management from all sorts of sources – other managers in the same line, managers in different businesses entirely, more senior managers, and junior employees. If a football coach wants advice on tactics, he’ll go to another football coach; if he wants ideas about how to deal with a difficult but gifted employee, he might well have a chat with someone in a different field entirely but who’s had that sort of challenge in the past. Or sometimes, he’ll just chew the fat with a guy from another field and compare stories. When it comes to dealing with people, you can learn from some of the most unlikely sources. Heck, it’s been known for businessmen to learn from football coaches.

              • October 17th 2017 @ 5:07pm
                Perry Bridge said | October 17th 2017 @ 5:07pm | ! Report

                #spruce moose

                And – if Muscat went to Arnold to exchange ideas then we’d be very concerned about match fixing and the integrity of the competition.

                Certainly clubs across any sport can learn off another when it comes to player welfare, training techniques, player management and injury management/rehab/prevention etc etc.

                The tactics of invasion games can borrow from each other within reason – i.e. the reason of the rational limitations of the rules construct of each sport.

                The skill base is interesting – complimentary activities based on other sports are good to break up the monotony.

                The main question around coaches from other sports is whether you’d want to – they are the easiest person to get shown the door if things go wrong.

              • October 17th 2017 @ 6:35pm
                Caltex TEN & SBS support Australian Football said | October 17th 2017 @ 6:35pm | ! Report

                SM – Of course not, how right your are—-he would want the latest tips and current ground breaking ideas coming from a RL discussion; not a football discussion involving the best football managers in the world. How silly of me for suggesting such a silly notion..

              • October 17th 2017 @ 6:50pm
                Caltex TEN & SBS support Australian Football said | October 17th 2017 @ 6:50pm | ! Report

                Conti, manager of Chelsea, introduces a revolutionary idea of a back three and now the best teams in the EPL have switched to playing with a back three instead of playing a back four. Now you may be interested to know, Ange is under fire for following the best managers in the world playing this system with players who are considered not good enough to handle it. We have had hundreds of comments on the football tab discussing the pros and cons of the back three system and guess what—-I am willing to bet you, you won’t find one word of this back 3 system posted on the NRL thread for discussion.

            • October 17th 2017 @ 6:52pm
              Post_hoc said | October 17th 2017 @ 6:52pm | ! Report

              Perry JOHN Aloisi spent time a few weeks at a club in the UK and one in Spain I believe after he left City and before Roar. So you really don’t have a clue do you Perry.

              But thanks again for coming over to the football tab and telling us about what little you know. We really do appreciate so much.

              • October 17th 2017 @ 7:10pm
                Caltex TEN & SBS support Australian Football said | October 17th 2017 @ 7:10pm | ! Report

                PH – Perry, knows so much about professional football managers—I am surprised he didn’t know that.

                And not mention, Graham Arnold, doing a football sabbatical in the Netherlands—discussing and learning all he could about football management from the Dutch. Also he does not even mention his greatest mentor Guus Hiddink.

                So much they (JA and GA) could have learned from AFL and NRL managers if only they had the good sense to stay in Australia and not seek information from silly foreign managers 🙂

              • October 18th 2017 @ 8:34am
                Post_hoc said | October 18th 2017 @ 8:34am | ! Report

                Caltex, I am surprised as well. I would blame FIFA18 or Football Manager but I doubt he knows what either one is LOL

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          October 17th 2017 @ 10:49am
          Rick Figjam said | October 17th 2017 @ 10:49am | ! Report

          That he didn’t know about Ronaldo or that he’s mentally unstable?

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            October 17th 2017 @ 10:51am
            spruce moose said | October 17th 2017 @ 10:51am | ! Report

            Oh he’s clearly on the spectrum.

            It’s tragic that the mods have had to do that. The easier alternative is to moderate him.

        • October 17th 2017 @ 11:15am
          Post_hoc said | October 17th 2017 @ 11:15am | ! Report

          Rick, There was talk in the transfer season of Ronaldo going back to Utd, that is what Fuss was talking about.

          And to call out someone as being mentally unstable is a pretty vile comment. You have no interest in being here other than to cause trouble.

        • October 18th 2017 @ 1:07pm
          Fadida said | October 18th 2017 @ 1:07pm | ! Report

          He did once meet with Kevin Sheedy. Mind you Sheedy asked for an audience and Ferguson had no idea who he was. It did allow Sheedy to name drop though. Probably asked for Fergie’s opinion on boat people!

    • October 17th 2017 @ 10:00am
      RBBAnonymous said | October 17th 2017 @ 10:00am | ! Report

      Didn’t even bother reading it all, no doubt it will appeal to participants not interested in football.

      • October 17th 2017 @ 10:04am
        Nemesis said | October 17th 2017 @ 10:04am | ! Report

        Absolutely correct.

        We can expect every casual sports fan, who watches EPL highlights & the AUS National Team every 4 years to tell us how great the AUS National Football team could be if they had people playing & coaching who never played The Game.

        Only in AUS do we get such nonsense. Too many people who are ignorant about sport, but very keen on Events.

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          October 17th 2017 @ 10:52am
          spruce moose said | October 17th 2017 @ 10:52am | ! Report

          What makes you more a sports fan than I or others?

          “Only in AUS do we get such nonsense.” You can return to Germany if you wish….

        • October 17th 2017 @ 12:16pm
          Slane said | October 17th 2017 @ 12:16pm | ! Report

          Every time you write a new comment I am reminded just how ignorant of sports people can truly be.

    • October 17th 2017 @ 10:12am
      Post_hoc said | October 17th 2017 @ 10:12am | ! Report

      Spruce, if this was anything other than clickbait code wars etc, you would have included an actual football coach, but there you go. I do look forward to seeing the same ‘tongue in cheek’ list for the next AFL role or NRL to be fair. But alas I know that will never happen.

      Also your reply back to Nemesis which is outside of your article I think is not tongue in cheek as such can be derided with your comment “I love how you seem to think that football coaching pathways are unique and distinct from any other sport on the planet.” they actually are, no where else is there a pathways program such as football, and in fact unless you play at some sort of professional (semi professional) level it is virtually impossible to move bove a class C youth licence.

      In fact the pathways programs are so established overseas that clubs and academies such as Real Madrid, Barca and Dortmund have coaching pathways for kids. If a kid is in the football program but who’s skill level is likely not to get them to the top level, but who’s vision, and personality is right they will be offered to go into a management program so they will stay with the team both playing but they will work closely with the coaching staff to “learn” that side of the program.

      Our man Popavic, it is well known that he was taking his coaching licences whilst still playing and talking to a number of his coaches and managers whilst still playing.

      So I know you claim it was tongue in cheek, but your reply back to Nemisis indicates that you don’t have the foggiest idea.

      So yes I think and in fact the whole world thinks that coaching is unique in Football, so much so that we train coaches from childhood. How many other codes does that happen in?

      • October 17th 2017 @ 10:39am
        chris said | October 17th 2017 @ 10:39am | ! Report

        PH some excellent points. Having completed the AFC C licence and currently doing my B licence it is extremely taxing.
        Both on time, and the examinations you have to go through to actually get them. And you actually have to score a certain level in C before you are allowed to do your B.
        I know this article was tongue in cheek but you would think the author could have thrown in ONE football coach/identity.

        • October 17th 2017 @ 10:47am
          Post_hoc said | October 17th 2017 @ 10:47am | ! Report

          yea, if it was meant to be anything other than codewars then he would have. Could very well have made Muscat player safety or tackling technique, or Arnie in charge of generating excitement social media manager????

          • October 17th 2017 @ 10:52am
            chris said | October 17th 2017 @ 10:52am | ! Report

            Arnie out! lol

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          October 17th 2017 @ 10:52am
          spruce moose said | October 17th 2017 @ 10:52am | ! Report

          As you clearly missed in the opening paragraphs in this firmly tongue and cheek article, the intention was to NOT pick a football coach. “Forget hiring a replacement from overseas – forget even hiring a football coach!”

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        October 17th 2017 @ 10:47am
        spruce moose said | October 17th 2017 @ 10:47am | ! Report

        As you clearly missed in the opening paragraphs in this firmly tongue and cheek article, the intention was to NOT pick a football coach. “Forget hiring a replacement from overseas – forget even hiring a football coach!”

        • October 17th 2017 @ 10:54am
          chris said | October 17th 2017 @ 10:54am | ! Report

          Oh apologies. I thought it was because you have no idea about any football identities and therefore you weren’t able to throw in even one to generate more laughs.

        • October 17th 2017 @ 11:08am
          Post_hoc said | October 17th 2017 @ 11:08am | ! Report

          and your response and continued response to Nemesis indicates the true nature. It was your comment where you stated “I love how you seem to think that football coaching pathways are unique and distinct from any other sport on the planet.”

          Well as has been answered and shown by a few football fans on here, and i notice ignored by you, Football is unique and in fact is so unique that we have pathways for coaching right down to teenages

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            October 17th 2017 @ 11:14am
            spruce moose said | October 17th 2017 @ 11:14am | ! Report

            The idea that football is unique is ridiculous. Ball goes into a goal. Team who did that more wins. There are dozens of sports like that, but use different apparatus/body parts to achieve the same thing.

            The objective of a full time football coach is the same as a coach in any sport: rise through the ranks and be successful in the highest category available.

            That football has a licensing structure (which I absolutely did acknowledge in another post) is unique, but irrelevant.

            • October 17th 2017 @ 11:20am
              Post_hoc said | October 17th 2017 @ 11:20am | ! Report

              Irrelevant hey. only irrelevant because it is not convenient to you. If it was irrelevant why would the great breeding ground clubs also churn out accredited coaches through a dedicated pathway?

              I suspect there might be something in that.

              In fact did you know you can do an MBA through Real Madrid Football Club? So management is something they take fairly seriously (both in terms of actual output and also financially)

            • October 17th 2017 @ 11:23am
              Nemesis said | October 17th 2017 @ 11:23am | ! Report

              Ha! That comment just defies belief.

              Do you realise AFL don’t have an off-side rule? Have you ever played football? Do you understand the tactical restrictions that flow from having an off-side rule?

              Do you understand the technical differences from catching a ball & running with it and, if you’re heavy enough, you can just crash into the runner & impede him? Compared to a sport where you cannot catch a ball & must control it with your feet?

              Do you think Clarkson & Bellamy could successfully coach the AUS Swimming Team? How about the AUS cycling team? Athletics Team?

            • October 17th 2017 @ 11:26am
              Post_hoc said | October 17th 2017 @ 11:26am | ! Report

              Alan Jones never played a game of Rugby league in his life nor did he play Rugby Union, yet he was able to coach a professional League team and the National Union Team.

              I very much doubt there is a manager in any of the professional competitions that does not hold a FIFA accredited licence.

              I know the FA (in England) require all clubs plying in the League (So Premier, Championship, League 1, 2 required Level A Certification.

              This isn’t irrelevant it is mandatory.

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                October 17th 2017 @ 11:31am
                spruce moose said | October 17th 2017 @ 11:31am | ! Report

                It’s irrelevant in that the sport and profession of football coaching would survive if you removed the licensing aspect.

                Regarding your comment re: FA, having spent several years in the UK working for a Quango, you understand very quickly that the first thing an English organisation wants to do is install rules, regulations and mandatory credentials.

                Tell me, honestly, why are they necessary? Do you genuinely believe the sport couldn’t survive without the licensing system?

              • October 17th 2017 @ 11:38am
                Nemesis said | October 17th 2017 @ 11:38am | ! Report

                “Do you genuinely believe the sport couldn’t survive without the licensing system?”

                Are you being serious?

                Of course the sport can survive without Coaching Licences.

                The Licence is simply a Standard. It’s like any Licence, or Education Qualification. It tells the world at large “this person has completed study & training”.

                Is Study & Training important for coaching? That’s up to you.

              • October 17th 2017 @ 11:39am
                mattq said | October 17th 2017 @ 11:39am | ! Report

                maybe but why would we want to. we’re better for having formal qualifications. Should we scrap medical qualifications for doctors or specialist focus areas for teachers? Surely google could do the job of a GP and keeping kids in line and engaged in learning is exactly the same as serving hotdogs

              • October 17th 2017 @ 11:44am
                Post_hoc said | October 17th 2017 @ 11:44am | ! Report

                Of course it would survive, i am fairly confident that Bill Nicholson didn’t have any coaching certificates but that didn’t stop him being the great Tottenham manager he was. But then to develop players to the best you need the training, and that is what they give you.

                I am not the best to tell you how important they are, I have only done my community coaching certification to skill training level (up to 13 yr olds)

                I am certain Chris would have a better experience on how important the C and B class are

                oh btw I was wrong, Bill Nicholson did have a coaching certificate even back in the late 50’s LOL I just found that out

              • October 17th 2017 @ 12:20pm
                chris said | October 17th 2017 @ 12:20pm | ! Report

                PH and Nem the licenses we have in place in Aus follow the AFC/UEFA models and as you point out, they provide a template and a standard which must be reached before they allow you to coach representative teams.
                Does it make a bad coach a good coach? Definitely not.
                But it certainly makes you better and it certainly makes good coaches into even better ones.

            • Roar Guru

              October 17th 2017 @ 12:08pm
              spruce moose said | October 17th 2017 @ 12:08pm | ! Report

              Post Hoc

              If it survives without, it is therefore irrelevant to the wider discussion today.

              • October 17th 2017 @ 1:17pm
                Post_hoc said | October 17th 2017 @ 1:17pm | ! Report

                surviving is not prospering. I could coach the Socceroos and they would still go out and play, and may even win. But they will not prosper, they are unlikely to learn anything new from me, except maybe a cool game I play with the under 7 kids, that will give them some fun.

                Surviving is not prospering, your article (tongue in cheek or not) is how 11 coaches could make the Socceroos great again, others have commented like Rick about some AFL coach taking a team of nobodiies etc.

                So you are not talking about surviving, the premise of your article was how can we make it better. So relevance is very much part of your article.

              • Roar Guru

                October 17th 2017 @ 2:58pm
                spruce moose said | October 17th 2017 @ 2:58pm | ! Report

                Ok, it would prosper without licences too.

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