Who should you support in Bledisloe 3 if you can’t tell an Aussie from a Kiwi?

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    I cannot really distinguish a Kiwi from an Aussie when they are not playing rugby.

    I know there’s something about how they say “fish” or “chips”, and yes, I am aware there are five times as many Australians as New Zealanders.

    But come on. Run into a guy from Melbourne or Wellington while climbing in the Andes, drinking in a pub in England, or skiing in Canada, and the non-Australasian can only make a wild guess.

    Ned Kelly’s descendants don’t sound or look that much different from the great-great-great grandsons of Samuel Marsden. To non-Anzac people, I mean.

    My understanding is Kiwis are less hostile to England (‘South Sea Poms’?) and that the Australian Labor Party picked the American spelling just to make England mad.

    But visually and aurally, I don’t know. I’m aware Prime Minister Robert Muldoon claimed Kiwis are smarter, with the complicated sledge that increased levels of emigration from New Zealand to Australia would “raise the average IQ of both countries”. But when I look at Liam Squire and Scott Fardy, I just don’t know if I can see that intellectual gap on their faces.

    But when rugby union is the context, the distinction becomes stark: Australia invented so many unique sports – marsupial and hoppy and full of tricks. So, the three best Wallabies in Michael Hooper, Israel Folau and Kurtley Beale, are not really union in how they play. They can’t even do the core functions of their positions. But it doesn’t matter.

    The All Blacks, on the other hand, use a real fullback, a real opensider, and a classic midfield. And all of them are incredibly physically forceful in how they play; while the Wallabies try to out-think the opposition, often on the backfoot, starved at times of front-foot ball.

    Everything the All Blacks do that is magical depends on first obeying the commandments of rugby union; nothing is really that random. Even a counter-attack or kick-return try is laid out on a template that is rehearsed, has lanes and channels, and is repeated too often to be called lucky.

    Aussies play rugby as if there are snakes on the field, and the ground is hot, and as if the touchlines are ‘girt by sea’. Will Genia picking up from the base of a disintegrating scrum, recently, and inventing a try from less-than-nothing is an example.

    But let’s get the obvious out there: New Zealand is a lot better than Australia at rugby. Australia is better at almost every other sport, I think?

    Neither country seems to create many good referees, lately. For all the talk of crooked refs from the Republic being responsible for the Springboks’ pre-readmission success, Saffa whistleblowers are right up there with Nigel Owens.

    New Zealand did, however, invent the referee whistle. This is why they are so good at avoiding its use against them. Also, they invented bungy jumping, which explains Damian McKenzie’s ability to survive a Test match.

    By not inventing too many things, Kiwis focus on rugby.

    Brodie Retallick New Zealand Rugby Union All Blacks 2017 tall

    Photo by Hannah Peters/Getty Images

    Aussies invented the fridge, the black box on airplanes, penicillin, and the electric drill. This explains hyper-assertive and profanity-spewing Michael Cheika’s coaching schemes.

    But who should the neutral rugby fan support? The country which gave us the Lord of the Rings films? Or the subtle poetry of AC/DC?

    It’s so complicated.

    Normally, the rest of the chasers would want number one toppled, but it’s difficult to want this version of Cheika (the one who denies Folau pulled hair in a tackle and thinks that any Ned is a Kelly) to succeed.

    But then again, who can really hate RAAF bomber pilot Lt Bernard Foley? He gets more out of his abilities than anyone in world rugby. Is there a bigger athletic mismatch than Beauden Barrett versus Foley?

    Also, Adam Coleman is so adorably ready to rumble, and also trip over his own feet. In contrast, the super-skilled Sam Whitelock seems ready to take a nap, as he steals yet another lineout. Come on Aussie underdog!

    Nick Phipps and Reiko Ioane seem to inhabit different universes when it comes to rugby majesty. It’s easy to feel sorry for Phipps; Ioane seems designed to be the game’s greatest player ever if he can just not grow old.

    But Steve Hansen is such a nice guy, or maybe he is a villain with fantastic acting skills.

    The lippiest player in B3 might be Dane Coles, but then nobody is more sarcastic than Hooper. So that’s a push.

    It might be nice to see another 57 scored by New Zealand, but I would like to see the Aussies put up 57 as well. A draw is very trendy, and sister-kissing is so 2017.

    Yes, a draw, with 12 missed conversions, please.

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    • Roar Guru

      October 18th 2017 @ 3:19am
      Carlos the Argie said | October 18th 2017 @ 3:19am | ! Report

      Make a kiwi count from 5 onwards. You will confirm he’s a kiwi with the next number if it sounds like “sex”.

      (That’s what my mom says….)

      But I take your point. Around here in America, it is not that easy to figure them out. Kiwis are a bit more reticent with body language and move their lips less when speaking. But after a few beers, all things change.

      Dane Coles is funny in person. He likes the niggly stuff, he gets happy excited talking about it. Pity I will miss the AB tours this year as I wanted to ask him about his “debates” with Nico Sanchez.

      I always thought Fleming was born in Scotland or near the border.

      • Roar Guru

        October 18th 2017 @ 5:24am
        Harry Jones said | October 18th 2017 @ 5:24am | ! Report

        Hola, Carlos. I am sure Coles is funny. But I see him on the field, constantly sledging! It’s great! I was a sledgemaster, too.

        Can you (visually) distinguish someone from Bogota from someone from BA?

        • Roar Guru

          October 18th 2017 @ 5:56am
          Carlos the Argie said | October 18th 2017 @ 5:56am | ! Report

          Absolutely!!!!!

          • October 18th 2017 @ 11:26am
            Eeds said | October 18th 2017 @ 11:26am | ! Report

            The Argentinan accent has to be one of the thickest Latin accents…

            • Roar Guru

              October 18th 2017 @ 1:03pm
              The Neutral View From Sweden said | October 18th 2017 @ 1:03pm | ! Report

              They basically speak Spanish with an Italian accent, so your point has merit.

            • October 18th 2017 @ 3:05pm
              Carlos the Argie said | October 18th 2017 @ 3:05pm | ! Report

              Not at all. Actually, most people confuse it with Italian. You should define thick.

              • Roar Guru

                October 18th 2017 @ 3:50pm
                Harry Jones said | October 18th 2017 @ 3:50pm | ! Report

                Slidey?

              • Roar Guru

                October 19th 2017 @ 2:50am
                Carlos the Argie said | October 19th 2017 @ 2:50am | ! Report

                Harry, you are six comments down from Nick. You have to beat him. So this is a non comment to add to your comment tally.

                Written with a thick southern italian accent.

              • October 19th 2017 @ 7:07am
                eeds said | October 19th 2017 @ 7:07am | ! Report

                The double L thing constantly confuses me over here! You know the zz instead of the ll. I’ve been to nearly every Spanish speaking country in south and Central America and by far the hardest for me to understand is Argentinan Spanish.

              • Roar Guru

                October 19th 2017 @ 7:26am
                Carlos the Argie said | October 19th 2017 @ 7:26am | ! Report

                eeds,

                I find your comment rather interesting. There is no doubt that Argie accent is different to other LA countries, but Uruguay, Peru and Colombia’s accent could be considered relatively similar. In addition, even within Argentina and within Buenos Aires proper you have multiple accents.

                Some of them reflect regionalisms and in the case of Buenos Aires, they also reflect socioeconomic status. If you listen carefully and know a bit of the situation, you can figure out the SE status of people by how they speak. This is a bit exaggerated, but not too much.

                Some Central American countries have a stronger accent, and the variance in vocabulary is huge.

                Argentina, like some of the countries way South, do not have the Spain’s pronunciation as the king that lisped and forced Spaniards to adapt, was already past the colonial stages. So the LA countries did not have to copy how Spaniards spoke.

              • October 19th 2017 @ 8:39am
                eeds said | October 19th 2017 @ 8:39am | ! Report

                Yeah I’ve found the SE and regional thing before, particularly in big cities and Places where the Argentineans and Chileans share a cultural heritage like for example Mendoza and in Patagonia.

                I can’t agree so much on the Colombian, Peruvian accents. The Uruguayan accent I agree, for me is identical to most Argentinans I know.

                I suppose it’s not just the accent but differences in words as well.

                Just today I got a bit of a shock when someone said “vos mismo” to me! In chile I think it’s obviously a lot more offensive than in Argentina… unless the sweet little old lady at the shop was telling me to go f… myself (entirely possible)

        • October 18th 2017 @ 1:03pm
          mace22 said | October 18th 2017 @ 1:03pm | ! Report

          About sledging, if you can sledge after the first 5 minutes then your not working hard enough. Leave the sledging to the aussie cricket team, they stand around doing nothing all day so have plenty of breath to sledge.

          • Roar Rookie

            October 18th 2017 @ 1:13pm
            piru said | October 18th 2017 @ 1:13pm | ! Report

            One of my favourite cricket sledges.

            English Captain Mike Atherton taking guard – Mark Waugh says to him:

            “You’re a bloody cheat mate”

            Atherton:

            “When in Rome dear boy”

            • Roar Guru

              October 18th 2017 @ 2:29pm
              The Neutral View From Sweden said | October 18th 2017 @ 2:29pm | ! Report

              That is gold piru

              My favorite sledge is from Spanish politics.

              Back in the day, the leader of the communist party was a very good looking man who dressed sharp. During a session, the right-wing leader accused him as fake and said:

              “How can anyone trust a commie wearing silk underpants?”

              The reply:

              “Oh, your wife has told you about that?”

              • Roar Rookie

                October 18th 2017 @ 2:55pm
                piru said | October 18th 2017 @ 2:55pm | ! Report

                Seeing as my other one is being moderated

                Viv Richards to Merv Hughes:

                “you look like a fat bus conductor”

                Merv (having bowled Richards)

                “tickets please”

              • October 18th 2017 @ 4:49pm
                cuw said | October 18th 2017 @ 4:49pm | ! Report

                nope that was not Sir Viv – it was Javed Miandad.

              • Roar Guru

                October 18th 2017 @ 6:07pm
                sheek said | October 18th 2017 @ 6:07pm | ! Report

                Harry,

                I can’t recall who said it, but if you’re going to be good at anything, make sure you’re damn good at one thing. Or something like that.

                So Kiwis concentrated on rugby union.

                Apart form a couple of cricketers here & there, the Kiwis are mostly crap at the game. Ditto rugby league. The Islander-dominated league teams will toss you around like chaff for about an hour before running out of puff. They also lack the discipline, structure & nous of their union cousins.

                The Kiwis have been occasionally successful in Olympics at athletics, equestrian & canoeing, among other sports. But certainly not better than Australia, which has been consistently better at more sports over a long period.

                They are also an ungrateful lot. They come here to ingest themselves into our bigger economy, pick up better paying jobs, develop a better lifestyle & enjoy our generally better climate.

                Any thanks or gratitude? Nah!

                I guess it’s the big brother/little brother thing. In times of war though, the two countries pull tight close together, & that’s the main thing.

                Back to the rugby. Kiwis have a love/hate relationship with Australia. They love to hate us when thrashing us at rugby. Which happens far too regularly.

                Way back in the 1920s when rugby was suspended in Queensland & existed only in Sydney & Newcastle, the ABs engaged in annual matches with the Waratahs. I seriously doubt if Australia would return the favour if say, NZ cricket were about to fold.

                It would have killed the Kiwis if rugby died & they couldn’t go on beating us!

                So no matter how bad Australian rugby gets & no matter how sneeringly disinterested the NZRU may appear to be, if the game is about to collapse here, the Kiwis will be over in their long boats in no time at all, to prop the game up.

              • Roar Guru

                October 18th 2017 @ 10:57pm
                Harry Jones said | October 18th 2017 @ 10:57pm | ! Report

                Good post

              • October 18th 2017 @ 9:07pm
                cuw said | October 18th 2017 @ 9:07pm | ! Report

                @ The Neutral View From Sweden

                not a sledge but a joke .

                a young lad went from NZ to England. Having not much experience he was hired by a shopowner.

                the lad was energetic and smart and managed to serve the customers well, and the shop owner was impressed.

                one day the owner asked the young lad ” ur a smart boy , why did u leave NZ?”

                to which he replied ” there is nothing but hookers and rugby players there sir”.

                the shop owners says ” oh well , my wife is from NZ!!”

                to which the boys says without missing a beat ” which club did she play for , sir?”

            • Roar Guru

              October 18th 2017 @ 4:00pm
              PeterK said | October 18th 2017 @ 4:00pm | ! Report

              I have 2 favourites and interestingly enough aussies come out worst in both

              English batsman Ormond’s comes in to bat Mark Waugh said . “look who it is. Mate, what are you doing out here?There’s no way you’re good enough to play for England.”

              Ormond replied: “Maybe not, but at least I’m the best player in my family.”

              and Rod Marsh and Botham

              Rod Marsh : “So how’s your wife & my kids?”

              Ian Botham : “The wife is fine but the kids are retarded”

              • October 18th 2017 @ 5:25pm
                cuw said | October 18th 2017 @ 5:25pm | ! Report

                those are nothing compared to the incident between Glenn McGrath and Ramnaresh Sarwan ( maybe 2012 or 13 ) .

                out of respect for the dead , i will not repeat the sledge here !!

              • Roar Rookie

                October 18th 2017 @ 5:50pm
                piru said | October 18th 2017 @ 5:50pm | ! Report

                Ok admins!

                I posted the exact sledge as PK above and you cut it!!!

                Anti Piru biases are at play here……

                anyway, Viv Richards v an English bowler in county cricket (can’t remember the name).

                Bowler (having got a few past VR – holds the ball up)
                “There it is, it’s round and it’s red”

                Viv Richards (having belted the next ball out of the park)

                “You know what it looks like, now go and find it”

                (it’s even funnier if you say it in a West Indian accent

              • October 18th 2017 @ 5:59pm
                Mapu said | October 18th 2017 @ 5:59pm | ! Report

                Very funny,abit wrong but funny

              • Roar Guru

                October 18th 2017 @ 6:10pm
                sheek said | October 18th 2017 @ 6:10pm | ! Report

                Shane Warne to Daryl Cullinan: “I’ve been waiting 3 years for my bunny to return to Australia”.

                Darryl Cullinan to Shane Warne: “It looks like you’ve been spending your time eating”.

                This was back in the day when Warnie was a bit pudgy.

              • Roar Guru

                October 18th 2017 @ 6:18pm
                sheek said | October 18th 2017 @ 6:18pm | ! Report

                Doug Walters was one of Australian cricket’s most beloved players. A laid-back personality who played the game attractively, he also had a droll sense of humour.

                On the disastrous SA tour in 1970, Australia having lost the test series 0-4, played Western Province in their last tour game.

                Brilliant SA allrounder Mike Procter, then playing for WP, was carting the off-spinner Ashley ‘Rowdy’ (because he was actually quiet) for numerous sixes into the stands.

                After half a dozen or so balls had sailed over the fence, the ball eventually found its way back to Walters, who sided up to Mallet & said dryly” “Well Rowdy, that takes care of the reds, now we can start on the coloureds”.

                Proctor heard the comment & apparently finding it hilariously funny, took many minutes before he had the composer to take his stand.

                Walters was a master of the understated delivery line.

              • Roar Guru

                October 18th 2017 @ 6:23pm
                sheek said | October 18th 2017 @ 6:23pm | ! Report

                Between 1969, when Hall & Griffith arrived, & 1975, when Roberts & co reappeared, the Windies went through many false dawns waiting for their next fast bowling find

                In 1973 when the Aussies toured the Caribbean, they thought they had found their new thunderbolt in Jamaican Uton Dowe.

                In his first six overs Dowe was mercilessly thrashed by the Aussie opener Keith Stackpole & Windies captain Rohan Kanhai banished Dowe to the outfield.

                Late in the day, Kanhai decided to recall Dowe, when a wag called out from the crowd in the lilting Caribbean way: “Hey Kanhai, haven’t you heard the 11th commandment, Dowe shalt not bowl”!

              • October 18th 2017 @ 6:55pm
                soapit said | October 18th 2017 @ 6:55pm | ! Report

                healy to ranatunga: arjuna why are you so fat

                ranatunga: cos every time i sleep with your wife she gives me a biscuit.

                i like to think healy would have been applauding that one on the inside

            • October 18th 2017 @ 7:31pm
              Muzzo said | October 18th 2017 @ 7:31pm | ! Report

              Some might remember, a certain AB coach of the 60’s era, Ivan Vodanovich, who told his his very good young halfback, at the time, that he would never score a try between the posts. When asked why, by the young fella, his response was, ” Well, your head is too bloody big”. I think Chris Laidlaw, even mentioned it in one of his books.

      • Roar Guru

        October 18th 2017 @ 4:24pm
        Machpants said | October 18th 2017 @ 4:24pm | ! Report

        Your mom got it the wrong way around, Ozzies say sex, kiwis say sux!

        • October 18th 2017 @ 7:06pm
          Perthstayer said | October 18th 2017 @ 7:06pm | ! Report

          Ozzies have sex and kiwis ……….

          • Roar Rookie

            October 18th 2017 @ 7:37pm
            piru said | October 18th 2017 @ 7:37pm | ! Report

            have six

        • Roar Rookie

          October 19th 2017 @ 1:28am
          tsuru said | October 19th 2017 @ 1:28am | ! Report

          About 30 years ago someone graffitied “SYDNEY SUCKS” on a wall at Bondi Beach (home for about half the Kiwi population of Sydney}. A while later someone added, beneath it, “AUKLAND SEVEN”

        • Roar Guru

          October 19th 2017 @ 3:14am
          Carlos the Argie said | October 19th 2017 @ 3:14am | ! Report

          I will tell her.

          The story comes because she plays golf with a very nice kiwi lady and after the fifth hole she always asks her which is the next one.

          And my mom gets the silly giggles while her kiwi friend huffs.

          And of course you know how mums are, she told me this story like 50 times…

    • Roar Guru

      October 18th 2017 @ 3:26am
      Kia Kaha said | October 18th 2017 @ 3:26am | ! Report

      Very entertaining, Harry. If in doubt, you cannot go wrong with supporting rugby. The neutral was spoilt by B2. Let’s hope B3 matches that level of entertainment.

      • Roar Guru

        October 18th 2017 @ 5:24am
        Harry Jones said | October 18th 2017 @ 5:24am | ! Report

        B3 will, I think, be a little nigglier.

        • October 18th 2017 @ 4:37pm
          cuw said | October 18th 2017 @ 4:37pm | ! Report

          @ Harry Jones

          when in doubt all u have to do is say ” u know what ? the all blacks were very lucky to win that game ”

          then if a kiwi , u will see the usual pink face turn black , if he is a kiwi 🙂

          works all the time with a guy who plays touch with us . he is fine with any other topic , but say nz were lucky or not their effin best – he goes into beast mode 😛

          say the same to an auzzy and he will go ” yeah mate , but i like league / afl more 🙂 “

          • Roar Guru

            October 19th 2017 @ 7:28am
            Carlos the Argie said | October 19th 2017 @ 7:28am | ! Report

            When I go skiing, if I hear a Aussie/kiwi accent, I ask them about rugby. If they know about it, I know they are kiwis. Otherwise, it is like you say.

    • October 18th 2017 @ 3:33am
      Taylorman said | October 18th 2017 @ 3:33am | ! Report

      You just have to wait till they look at a tv with a rugby match on Harry. The ozzie will be the one fuming, pulling his hair out, throwing his arms up in despair, where the kiwi will be the one sitting quietly, humbly smiling awayas usual.?

      Unless of course its a replay of the John Eales penalty, in which case they will both be doing what the ozzie did. ?

      • Roar Guru

        October 18th 2017 @ 4:11am
        Carlos the Argie said | October 18th 2017 @ 4:11am | ! Report

        Actually, you are right. I watched both RWC semi-finals in a group surrounded by kiwis They hardly moved, just a little applause here and there. There were a few Aussies in front and they were were boisterous, obnoxious, loud, rude and drunk.

        But I am absolutely certain that they do not represent the average Aussie which I have found generous, funny and….argumentative about rugby. The few that actually know about it.

        • October 18th 2017 @ 8:58am
          Dave said | October 18th 2017 @ 8:58am | ! Report

          They do actually. When I lived in London, my Pommy mates had no problem distinguishing the Kiwis from the Aussies, given the latter’s boisterous, obnoxious etc behaviour

          Mind you, when we went on a bender and became all those things, we pretended we were Aussies just to reinforce the perception ;-))

          • Roar Guru

            October 18th 2017 @ 9:44am
            Carlos the Argie said | October 18th 2017 @ 9:44am | ! Report

            Da point!

          • October 18th 2017 @ 5:14pm
            Kiwi in nz said | October 18th 2017 @ 5:14pm | ! Report

            So did I. Whenever we were misbehaving an Ozzie I would be. The problem was I was in the UK between 90 and 93 off and on. I new heaps of Ozzies and got along well with them, and Saffas. I went to first Saffa game vs Eng at twickers. Eng won and that was a very unruly group of Englishman at the pubs that night.

          • October 19th 2017 @ 12:02pm
            Beezlebub said | October 19th 2017 @ 12:02pm | ! Report

            Ha Ha my brother and his mates some time back were all arrested in Munich during their beer festival (Kiwis) but they told the Germans that they were all Aussies. The German cops ranted about loud mouthed useless f**king Aussie bastards etc etc and then let them all go with a formal warning!

      • Roar Guru

        October 18th 2017 @ 5:24am
        Harry Jones said | October 18th 2017 @ 5:24am | ! Report

        Ha ha, T-Man. Good

      • October 19th 2017 @ 1:38pm
        woodart said | October 19th 2017 @ 1:38pm | ! Report

        no, like steve price , eales has mana here.

    • Roar Guru

      October 18th 2017 @ 3:40am
      Fox said | October 18th 2017 @ 3:40am | ! Report

      Nice read Harry – well we did split the atom, but not sure if we should be proud of that achievement or not!

      • Roar Guru

        October 18th 2017 @ 5:25am
        Harry Jones said | October 18th 2017 @ 5:25am | ! Report

        Wasn’t sure whether to really list all inventions; some of them were a little less than “settled.”

        • October 18th 2017 @ 4:39pm
          cuw said | October 18th 2017 @ 4:39pm | ! Report

          @ Harry Jones

          in case u did not know auzzy invented WI-FI as well. in Canberra CSIRO.

          • Roar Guru

            October 18th 2017 @ 10:22pm
            Harry Jones said | October 18th 2017 @ 10:22pm | ! Report

            Rugby tragic confirms this

      • October 19th 2017 @ 10:30pm
        Suu john said | October 19th 2017 @ 10:30pm | ! Report

        We should be proud Fox Saker…it was the war mongers who decided on making the atom a weapon of war

    • Columnist

      October 18th 2017 @ 4:15am
      Nicholas Bishop said | October 18th 2017 @ 4:15am | ! Report

      Excellent as always H. But what’s that about the Kiwis having a ‘real full-back’? Do you mean Ben Smith? 😀

      • Roar Guru

        October 18th 2017 @ 5:27am
        Harry Jones said | October 18th 2017 @ 5:27am | ! Report

        Jordie Barrett.
        Israel Dagg.
        David Havili.
        BBBBB.
        Macca.
        Ben Smith.

        All of those are more full-backy than Izzy.

        • Columnist

          October 18th 2017 @ 5:36am
          Nicholas Bishop said | October 18th 2017 @ 5:36am | ! Report

          Thought you meant D Mac for a mo there…. 🙂

          • Roar Guru

            October 18th 2017 @ 5:46am
            Harry Jones said | October 18th 2017 @ 5:46am | ! Report

            Well, he does kick well, and usually guesses where the ball will land in his 22. I think in NZ, all wingers are fullbacks. Wingbacks!

            • Roar Guru

              October 18th 2017 @ 9:44am
              Carlos the Argie said | October 18th 2017 @ 9:44am | ! Report

              He also guesses well where the defenders won’t be very good.

            • October 18th 2017 @ 9:18pm
              cuw said | October 18th 2017 @ 9:18pm | ! Report

              @ Harry Jones

              think it is happening a lot now becoz of the way modern game is played.

              this whole multiple fullback thing came after the Law was changed , not allowing the ball to be kicked out from the 25 yard line and have a lineout where it goes out.

              there are lot of wings and 10s who play at 15 , specially in Miter 10

              James Lowe, Ben Lam Otere Black , NMS, George Bridge, Melani Namnai, Marty McKenzie, Zac Guildford , Sev Reece, Mitch Hunt, Ben Volavola , Matt Duffie, Shaun Stevenson…….

        • October 18th 2017 @ 9:04am
          Highlander said | October 18th 2017 @ 9:04am | ! Report

          If one of the indicators of future ability at a certain level is the illusion of creating time and making good decisions, then Havilli has had the perfect start.

          Unflusterd, confident and looking perfectly at home, albeit with few minutes.
          Am guessing Razor will regret playing him at 12 vs the BIL for a very long time.

          • Roar Guru

            October 18th 2017 @ 9:11am
            Harry Jones said | October 18th 2017 @ 9:11am | ! Report

            He was the best young player in SR this year IMO

            • October 18th 2017 @ 10:42am
              Highlander said | October 18th 2017 @ 10:42am | ! Report

              Trivia for you Harry.

              Wyatt Crockett has played in the same side as David Havilli for a couple of seasons now.

              When Crockett played for Nelson Bays B team in his last year at high school he was in the same side as Havilli’s Dad.

              • Roar Guru

                October 18th 2017 @ 3:52pm
                Harry Jones said | October 18th 2017 @ 3:52pm | ! Report

                Very strange and cool

            • October 18th 2017 @ 4:59pm
              cuw said | October 18th 2017 @ 4:59pm | ! Report

              @ Harry Jones

              He was the best young player in SR this year IMO

              well Crusaders voted George Bridge as their best young player 🙂

              • Roar Guru

                October 18th 2017 @ 6:30pm
                Harry Jones said | October 18th 2017 @ 6:30pm | ! Report

                That’s nuts

              • October 18th 2017 @ 9:19pm
                cuw said | October 18th 2017 @ 9:19pm | ! Report

                they are the champs – they are allowed to be nuts 🙂

    • Columnist

      October 18th 2017 @ 4:16am
      Geoff Parkes said | October 18th 2017 @ 4:16am | ! Report

      Harry, my nurse, a wee Scottish lassie, agrees with you. She doesn’t easily make the distinction, or even care to make it.

      Which is interesting, because I bet she’d arc up if I called her English!

      Great read thanks. Better than the drugs!
      (Actually, perhaps not. But it’s up there)

      • Columnist

        October 18th 2017 @ 4:41am
        Geoff Parkes said | October 18th 2017 @ 4:41am | ! Report

        “The one who thinks any Ned is a Kelly”
        ??

        • Roar Guru

          October 18th 2017 @ 4:57am
          Carlos the Argie said | October 18th 2017 @ 4:57am | ! Report

          Hi Geoff, I wrote for you in Brett’s piece.

          • Columnist

            October 18th 2017 @ 5:13am
            Geoff Parkes said | October 18th 2017 @ 5:13am | ! Report

            Cheers. Back next week mate.

        • October 18th 2017 @ 11:40am
          Muzzo said | October 18th 2017 @ 11:40am | ! Report

          I take it all is well Geoff??????

      • Roar Guru

        October 18th 2017 @ 5:28am
        Harry Jones said | October 18th 2017 @ 5:28am | ! Report

        Tell her to say the word ‘toast.’ And ‘absolutely.’

        I love hearing Scots say those two words.

      • Roar Guru

        October 18th 2017 @ 1:07pm
        The Neutral View From Sweden said | October 18th 2017 @ 1:07pm | ! Report

        Hospital drugs…. the bliss.

        Get well soon mate.

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