Where is all the young English talent in the English Premier League?

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    Like many fans, I want to see an 18-year-old Englishman from his local football academy represent Arsenal, Chelsea, Tottenham, both Manchester clubs on a consistent level. But this will not happen again for a long time.

    Manager pressure
    Like players, coaches have an ego – the itch to succeed. They want to come into a club and show the fans and board that they can do things the previous manager couldn’t.

    To bring in juniors for a run of fixtures means risking results, so managers open the chequebook and bring in the finished product, which alleviates pressure on them.

    Managers prefer to spend big because they feel their chances of winning are more secure than if they use homegrown, academy players.

    Ronald Koeman is feeling it now with Everton – as good as Dominic Calvin-Lewin and Tom Davies are going to be, he would have preferred to keep Romelu Lukaku and purchase Luka Modric any day.

    Player pressure
    Every time I have this discussion with someone, their response is: why can Swansea do it? Why can Southampton can do it?

    The answer is that there is less pressure to succeed at those clubs. Playing for Swansea and not scoring for two or three games is nothing compared to playing at Chelsea and not scoring for two or three games. Swansea not winning for three or four games, fielding a host of young, local prospects, will not produce the rage it would in Manchester or London.

    Lack of time
    The days of Sir Alex Ferguson and Arsene Wenger are well and truly over.

    When a manager signs for a big club, the board want instant success. They will no longer wait three, four or five years for a manager to develop talent and grow a team, established from youth, who can challenge for the title.

    What major club’s board has the patience to say to the manager, “Use the next couple seasons to build a team from the academy. If we miss out on European football, so be it, it’s for the better in the long run”?

    If Antonio Conte or Pep Guardiola lose three games in a row, their season and careers are done. They simply don’t have time. Big clubs want results, so won’t risk benching world-class players for youth.

    Money
    Our beloved game is driven by money, with so many clubs funded by billionaires ready to use their money to invest in the brand, purchase the best talent, and challenge for major honours.

    While the fans, players and clubs celebrate these successes, they often forget homegrown talent.

    Yet the lack of homegrown talent manages to pop up when a club is in some sort of crisis with results – once they’re winning again, and the results and performances are positive, the status quo is restored.

    With money comes easy decisions: “Let’s buy this player now – he will help us achieve our targets and challenge the big guns, while our youngsters go on loan and gain experience. We will bring them back if they hit the ground running elsewhere, if not, they’ll just go on loan again.”

    Teams just want to win, and a players just want to get paid, and there goes loyalty. You do have your odd player who won’t leave to join a big club, because they know they will rot on the bench and lose it all, but most can’t turn down a seven-figure salary, exposure of themselves as a player, fancy cars and expensive lifestyles.

    With so much money to throw around, priorities are misaligned.

    These four issues which have led to a lack of homegrown talent in England, especially around the top five or six clubs, are almost certainly why England struggle on the international level.

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      October 21st 2017 @ 7:51am
      The Doc said | October 21st 2017 @ 7:51am | ! Report

      nice read Pg. Tough situation where you want quality coming into the league in the form of european/international players but at the same time want the local talent coming through, investment into academies and then young players be given a chance to ply their trade in the PL.
      To be fair there is lots of young English talent running around but could be lots more:
      Spurs – Rose, Dier (came through SPorting Lisbon system), Harry Kane, Dele Alli (MK dons), Winks, Anomah (on loan at villa)
      Man U – Rashford
      Just a few examples but you are right – big clubs will buy the best players and only the best young players will be given a chance (which is probably the way it should be at the top). This leaves the midtier clubs to grow players and then make money off them

      • October 21st 2017 @ 9:54am
        Nick Symonds said | October 21st 2017 @ 9:54am | ! Report

        “To be fair there is lots of young English talent running around but could be lots more:
        Spurs – Rose, Dier (came through SPorting Lisbon system), Harry Kane, Dele Alli (MK dons), Winks, Anomah (on loan at villa) Man U – Rashford”

        I never knew Winks played football as well. Is there anything that horse can’t do?

    • October 21st 2017 @ 8:21am
      Fadida said | October 21st 2017 @ 8:21am | ! Report

      The young English players who are good enough are breaking through, as are the good foreign kids. The problem is England don’t produce many good players, which goes back to grassroots

      • October 21st 2017 @ 9:05am
        northerner said | October 21st 2017 @ 9:05am | ! Report

        Is that true, though? Didn’t the English side win the Under 20 World Cup? And they seem to be doing okay with their Under 17 side too. Is the problem the lack of quality players, or the lack of time and will to develop them further? Quicker and easier for an EPL side to buy a ready made player off the shelf, so to speak, rather than work with a raw teenager.

        • October 21st 2017 @ 10:13am
          jamesb said | October 21st 2017 @ 10:13am | ! Report

          You do raise a good point about England winning the under 20’s world cup In 2013, France won and are now equal favourites to win the main thing next year.

          However, not all junior teams can replicate the success into their senior teams.
          It’s a case of wait and see over the next five to seven years.

          • October 21st 2017 @ 10:27am
            northerner said | October 21st 2017 @ 10:27am | ! Report

            All I was really thinking there is that the English development system seems to be doing okay at both the U17 and U20 level, so if there’s an issue after that, maybe it’s the one the author is pointing out – the clubs aren’t investing as much in furthering the development of that young talent as they should.

          • October 21st 2017 @ 3:37pm
            Realfootball said | October 21st 2017 @ 3:37pm | ! Report

            Certainly our junior teams have been wonderfully good at replicating their lack of success at senior level.

            We’ve got one over England there!

      • October 21st 2017 @ 10:44am
        Nemesis said | October 21st 2017 @ 10:44am | ! Report

        “The problem is England don’t produce many good players, which goes back to grassroots.”

        This is what Ange Postecolgou would call “lazy analysis & opinion”.

        England just won the u20 FIFA World Cup. This means u20 English players are Champions of the World.

        England also just finished equal 3rd in the u21 Euro Championship… knocked out in the Semi Finals by Germany on penalties. Germany went on to win the u21 Euro.

        England’s u17 team is currently playing the FIFA WC. They went through the Group Stage with a perfect 3 wins. They play the QF tonight.

        So, using these FACTS it is nonsense to glibly parrot the line: “England don’t produce many good players, which goes back to grassroots”

        • October 21st 2017 @ 4:40pm
          Fadida said | October 21st 2017 @ 4:40pm | ! Report

          I don’t believe you’ve played under age international football for England fuss, so by your own rules are ineligible to comment.

          For the rest, performing well in under age comps means nothing. A truer indication is how many of these 18-21 year olds are playing first team football at a reasonable level If they aren’t close now they are unlikely to do so.
          Ali, Rashford are exceptions.

          • October 21st 2017 @ 5:24pm
            Nemesis said | October 21st 2017 @ 5:24pm | ! Report

            I am not giving my opinion on the quality of youth players.

            I give facts on the quality of England’s youth players.

            You said England is not producing youth quality at grassroots. You are ignorant.

      • November 4th 2017 @ 6:41pm
        Scott said | November 4th 2017 @ 6:41pm | ! Report

        They just won the under 17 World Cup so they must be producing some good players

    • October 21st 2017 @ 10:55am
      Stu said | October 21st 2017 @ 10:55am | ! Report

      Marcus Rashford says hello.

    • October 21st 2017 @ 11:06am
      jamesb said | October 21st 2017 @ 11:06am | ! Report

      As a gunners fan, I like to see Reiss Nelson get given a go.

    • October 21st 2017 @ 12:30pm
      TJ said | October 21st 2017 @ 12:30pm | ! Report

      Dominic Solanke, Trent Alexander Arnold, Joe Gomez, Ben Woodburn (Welsh) are just from Liverpool….

    • October 21st 2017 @ 3:38pm
      Realfootball said | October 21st 2017 @ 3:38pm | ! Report

      Tell you what, those numbers may be limited, but compared to our young players…

      • October 21st 2017 @ 4:02pm
        Nemesis said | October 21st 2017 @ 4:02pm | ! Report

        I’ll review the data for EPL & ALeague but, having watched both competitions, I would guess that 10 ALeague clubs give more game time to u21 Aussie players than 20 EPL clubs give to u21 English players.

        But, I’ll check the facts.

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