Grand final rematch pencilled in for Round 2 as 2018 AFL fixtures released

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    The AFL has released the entire 2018 season draw, completing the fixtures for the season after the matches for Round 1 were leaked last week.

    While fans already knew the season will start once again with a clash between Carlton and Richmond at the MCG on Thursday, March 22, they can now start planning for a grand final rematch between the Tigers and Crows a week later at the Adelaide Oval.

    » View the full 2018 AFL season draw here

    The Tigers have a draw chock full of Thursday and Friday night fixtures with eight – a dramatic rise after playing no Friday night matches during the 2017 regular season, and will both start and end the 2018 season with a string of games at the MCG.

    There will be a host of intriguing matches throughout the season featuring players going up against their former clubs. Jake Lever and the Melbourne Demons will take on the Crows in what’s sure to be a fiery affair – particularly if Lever plays on former skipper Taylor Walker – in Round 10, although the game will be played in Alice Springs rather than the MCG or Adelaide Oval.

    Former Bulldog Jake Stringer will line up for the Bombers against the club he won a premiership with in 2016 in Round 3, and Hawthorn fans will get to see former skipper Luke Hodge face the Hawks for Brisbane in Round 9.

    Gary Ablett Jr will make his return to the Cattery in Round 4 against the Saints before going up against the Suns for the first time in Round 11, and former Blue Bryce Gibbs will line up for the Crows against his old side in Round 7.

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    • October 31st 2017 @ 10:12am
      GJ said | October 31st 2017 @ 10:12am | ! Report

      Any chance Richmond start the year with a pounding headache?

      • October 31st 2017 @ 10:18am
        Macca said | October 31st 2017 @ 10:18am | ! Report

        Here’s hoping.

    • October 31st 2017 @ 10:23am
      Macca said | October 31st 2017 @ 10:23am | ! Report

      Not really impressed with the blues draw – 6 trips interstate (Suns, Freo, Lions, Sydney, Crows and even get North in Hobart) and double up on the Suns, Freo, Collingwood, Crows & Bulldogs.

      Not sure we could have got much worse considering where we finished.

      • Roar Guru

        October 31st 2017 @ 10:33am
        Cat said | October 31st 2017 @ 10:33am | ! Report

        And you get to visit Geelong for a change.

        • October 31st 2017 @ 10:38am
          Macca said | October 31st 2017 @ 10:38am | ! Report

          Yeah 7 of 11 away games at grounds with a distinct home ground advantage including 3 grounds no current player has played on (Freo, Geelong & Hobart) – pretty tough for a young group.

          • Roar Guru

            October 31st 2017 @ 10:40am
            Cat said | October 31st 2017 @ 10:40am | ! Report

            Good time to learn now, rather than when your window opens.

            • October 31st 2017 @ 10:44am
              Macca said | October 31st 2017 @ 10:44am | ! Report

              True – hopefully they will get a lot out of the year and you may as well cop a tough draw when you aren’t in contention anyway, but it will make it tough to please some of the “blues are going backwards” crowd.

              Hopefully we get the Collingwood treatment next year.

              • Roar Guru

                October 31st 2017 @ 10:46am
                Cat said | October 31st 2017 @ 10:46am | ! Report

                Better off doing it tough than a false dawn based on a soft fixture.

              • October 31st 2017 @ 10:49am
                Macca said | October 31st 2017 @ 10:49am | ! Report

                Agreed – hopefully it will be like the Aussies getting worked over by the Windies – a lot of pain used to make a great side.

              • October 31st 2017 @ 2:35pm
                Harsh Truth Harry said | October 31st 2017 @ 2:35pm | ! Report

                getting the excuses ready already macca I see for yet another bottom four blues performance.

              • October 31st 2017 @ 3:05pm
                Macca said | October 31st 2017 @ 3:05pm | ! Report

                Hopeless Harry – ” I see for yet another bottom four blues performance” You think? Do you also see the Sun coming up tomorrow?

            • October 31st 2017 @ 12:24pm
              Harsh Truth Harry said | October 31st 2017 @ 12:24pm | ! Report

              and when is that Cat? The Blues window has not opened in 22 years why do you even consider it will any time soon? Or are you just pandering to your beloved Macca disciple?

              • October 31st 2017 @ 3:06pm
                Macca said | October 31st 2017 @ 3:06pm | ! Report

                Hopeless Harry – Which club has the longest current streak without winning a final?

            • October 31st 2017 @ 2:51pm
              Harsh Truth Harry said | October 31st 2017 @ 2:51pm | ! Report

              that window must be pretty jammed shut I’d say as it hasn’t opened in 22 years.

          • October 31st 2017 @ 1:34pm
            Stephen said | October 31st 2017 @ 1:34pm | ! Report

            So what venue is the Geelong V Carlton game – 2018?

            • Roar Guru

              October 31st 2017 @ 1:41pm
              Cat said | October 31st 2017 @ 1:41pm | ! Report

              GMHBA Stadium (Kardinia Park), first Blues visit in 21 years.

              • October 31st 2017 @ 1:50pm
                Stephen said | October 31st 2017 @ 1:50pm | ! Report

                Thought you might know Cat. lol. So Simonds Stadium is now GMHBA?

              • Roar Guru

                October 31st 2017 @ 2:00pm
                Cat said | October 31st 2017 @ 2:00pm | ! Report

                Yes, another sponsorship change. Good money for the club but annoying none the less.

      • Roar Guru

        October 31st 2017 @ 10:55am
        XI said | October 31st 2017 @ 10:55am | ! Report

        The Blues have got a lot of Friday night matches too. Not quite sure why though.

        • October 31st 2017 @ 11:13am
          Macca said | October 31st 2017 @ 11:13am | ! Report

          Is 4 a lot?

          As for why – other teams want to play the blues on Friday night – of the 4 games only 1 is a blues home game, the others are against The Swans, Bulldogs & Saints who want the blues to draw a big crowd.

          • Roar Guru

            October 31st 2017 @ 12:06pm
            Paul D said | October 31st 2017 @ 12:06pm | ! Report

            4 seems a fair increase on 0, given you finished 16th and lost your best player to Adelaide

            But as you say, none are against big clubs. Carlton drew the short straw to try and drag the crowd numbers up

            • October 31st 2017 @ 1:06pm
              Macca said | October 31st 2017 @ 1:06pm | ! Report

              They did have 1 in 2017 (a flogging against Port).

              I am not that fussed really about getting Friday night games, just don’t see 4 as being unreasonable.

              • Roar Guru

                October 31st 2017 @ 6:26pm
                Paul D said | October 31st 2017 @ 6:26pm | ! Report

                I do remember that actually now you mention it, I said at the time it was almost like Carlton were being set up to fail, an away game to Port earlyish in the season was ever going to end one way. At least give them a Friday night game at home if they’re only getting 1. How many of your 4 are in Melbourne? I assume most of them given who you’re playing

                I honestly don’t mind it, Carlton still pull a bigger crowd than at least 4 clubs down in Melbourne so they’re deserving according to the AFL’s intent to maximise attendance

          • Roar Guru

            October 31st 2017 @ 1:46pm
            XI said | October 31st 2017 @ 1:46pm | ! Report

            It’s 4 more than the Giants have. Bit weird for a Top 4 side to have zero Friday night appearances.

            • Roar Guru

              October 31st 2017 @ 1:53pm
              Cat said | October 31st 2017 @ 1:53pm | ! Report

              You can have Geelong’s friday and thursday night games, wish we had 0.

            • October 31st 2017 @ 3:08pm
              Macca said | October 31st 2017 @ 3:08pm | ! Report

              XI – the Giants averaged 19,635 per home and away game, the blues averaged 39,710. It isn’t weird at all on that basis.

        • Roar Guru

          October 31st 2017 @ 12:16pm
          Dalgety Carrington said | October 31st 2017 @ 12:16pm | ! Report

          Was it the year before last when they nearly killed off Friday night footy?

          Hopefully they’ve come along since (or even since last year when they were more interested in scrapping it out than anything else).

          • October 31st 2017 @ 1:56pm
            Macca said | October 31st 2017 @ 1:56pm | ! Report

            Dalgety – 2015 they got a lot of Friday night games and were terrible. From memory they had 0 in 2016 and just 1 in 2017, 5 Friday night games in 3 years isn’t a lot.

          • October 31st 2017 @ 2:52pm
            Harsh Truth Harry said | October 31st 2017 @ 2:52pm | ! Report

            its not just Friday night footy they kill off…they are terrible to watch all the time and it’s always depressing watching a team you know simply won’t challenge in the foreseeable future.

            • October 31st 2017 @ 4:55pm
              Macca said | October 31st 2017 @ 4:55pm | ! Report

              “it’s always depressing watching a team you know simply won’t challenge in the foreseeable future.” That explains why you are the way you are Harold – watching the bombers all theses years.

              How long since you won a final now?

              • October 31st 2017 @ 5:37pm
                Harsh Truth Harry said | October 31st 2017 @ 5:37pm | ! Report

                Macca, as stated, we were persecuted without evidence for several years by the AFL and now that persecution is finished, we simply take up where we left off by winning flags….our two clubs used to match flags and be genuine competitors but sadly now, all you do is collect wooden spoons…everyone acknowledges us as a 2018 flag favourite whereas your once proud club now are glued to the bottom four. Even the once powerful Hawthorn are a sad shell, ruined by Dictator Clarkson destroying the club with the Mitchell/Lewis/Vickery shambles.

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                October 31st 2017 @ 6:39pm
                berrlins said | October 31st 2017 @ 6:39pm | ! Report

                You aren’t the favourite, you’re a chance. And I’d try and win a final first before talk of Premierships champ. You still have a weak midfield compared to other top eight sides, and sides outside the 8 and you’ve now got a tougher draw than last year. Here’s a harsh truth, after ten rounds essendon could very well have only 3 wins.

              • October 31st 2017 @ 8:13pm
                Maurice said | October 31st 2017 @ 8:13pm | ! Report

                If only my team had a dictator that wins flags .

      • October 31st 2017 @ 11:47am
        Macca said | October 31st 2017 @ 11:47am | ! Report

        Apparently the blues also get ” second-most six-day breaks of any side”

        • Roar Guru

          October 31st 2017 @ 12:00pm
          Cat said | October 31st 2017 @ 12:00pm | ! Report

          Cats have it rough in relation to 6 day breaks:

          It’s not so much the six short turnarounds Geelong has, but who its opponents are the following week. The Cats face West Coast (away), Port Adelaide (away), GWS, Essendon, Sydney (away) and Richmond off six-day breaks.

          The Adelaide and Sydney games are back-to-back away 6 day breaks. This is the kind of thing that should not be allowed to happen for any side.

          • Roar Pro

            October 31st 2017 @ 12:25pm
            Darren M said | October 31st 2017 @ 12:25pm | ! Report

            I totally agree. Last year Melbourne had Collingwood on Monday, Bulldogs on Sunday, West Coast in Perth on Saturday and then Sydney on Friday. Return trip from Perth combined with a six day break after two previous six day breaks almost wrecked our season. We lost about six players to injury in the end of that period including Jones, Viney, Watts and Hogan all at the same time.

      • October 31st 2017 @ 1:06pm
        Darren said | October 31st 2017 @ 1:06pm | ! Report

        Macca – I don’t think you can worry too much about the double ups as it’s hard to predict from one season to the next who will be the good teams. Of that group only Adelaide appears a certainty to be in the top group.
        5 seems a standard travel number so the extra one being North in Tasse is not a big ask.
        The number of 6 day breaks seems the main down side.
        I think the Thursday night and 4 Friday night games is the big plus for young players. They should be excited to play in front of a big TV audience. Good performances early against Richmond and Collingwood should help them for the remainder of the year.
        Overall I see the draw as a positive one for Carlton.

        • Roar Guru

          October 31st 2017 @ 1:15pm
          Paul D said | October 31st 2017 @ 1:15pm | ! Report

          Did Boekhorst get the chop? I hadn’t seen that. Did see Buckley and Palmer gone, which isn’t surprising.

          I think Carlton’s 2014 trade and draft period would be up there with the Lions for singular ineffectiveness – Boekhorst, Viojo-Rainbow, Clem Smith, Jayden Foster, Kristian Jaksch and Mark Whiley.

          Not exactly a stellar cast, or even an ensemble one

          • October 31st 2017 @ 1:47pm
            Macca said | October 31st 2017 @ 1:47pm | ! Report

            PaulD – when you look at the 2014 draft it is easy to see why SOS was brought in in 2015.

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              October 31st 2017 @ 5:05pm
              Dalgety Carrington said | October 31st 2017 @ 5:05pm | ! Report

              Aren’t quite a few of those Silvagni botched selections?

              • October 31st 2017 @ 5:11pm
                Darren said | October 31st 2017 @ 5:11pm | ! Report

                None

              • October 31st 2017 @ 5:11pm
                Macca said | October 31st 2017 @ 5:11pm | ! Report

                Dalgety – Silvagni didn’t start working at the club until 2015, the players mentioned above are all 2014 draft/trade period players.

                So no they have nothing to do with SOS.

              • October 31st 2017 @ 5:23pm
                Macca said | October 31st 2017 @ 5:23pm | ! Report

                Dalgety – Some players who SOS brought in have been delisted this year;

                Palmer – who we took with pick 136 to allow GWS to dump his salary which meant they would give us Marchbank & Pickett for what we wanted to pay (2016)
                Sumner – who we got with Plowman, Lamb & Phillips plus an upgrade on the pick we got from Geelong for Henderson (2015)
                Smedts – who came with the pick we got for Tuohy (2016) – Smedts wasn’t our first choice but was the only one willing to come (Interestingly Lang turned us down last year but came this year)
                Gorringe – picked up in 2015 as a delisted free agent and spent 2 years cruelled with injury.

                If you want to call them “botched selections” feel free but given what we gave up to get them I think it would be a little harsh.

              • Roar Guru

                October 31st 2017 @ 5:33pm
                Dalgety Carrington said | October 31st 2017 @ 5:33pm | ! Report

                GWS selections. Although I see it was only Jaksch and Whiley at this stage.

              • November 1st 2017 @ 10:06am
                Macca said | November 1st 2017 @ 10:06am | ! Report

                Dalgety- SOS did bring those 2 into GWS – he also traded them out with pick 19 for pick 7 in the 2014 draft.

                He also drafted in Sumner to GWS.

                But no recruiter is perfect – if you want to focus on his mistakes go ahead, but the list he built at GWS is impressive and while it is early days for the blues list it is hard to argue that he isn’t getting things right.

          • October 31st 2017 @ 1:49pm
            Darren said | October 31st 2017 @ 1:49pm | ! Report

            Would go down as the worst in history if not for full back of the century Liam Jones

          • October 31st 2017 @ 5:39pm
            Harsh Truth Harry said | October 31st 2017 @ 5:39pm | ! Report

            just another sad chapter Paul in the demise of a once powerful and now tragic club.

        • October 31st 2017 @ 1:46pm
          Macca said | October 31st 2017 @ 1:46pm | ! Report

          Darren – I agree on the double ups being hard to predict but of the bottom 6 teams of 2017 Freo, the Suns and Collingwood are the most likely to bounce up you would think, of the middle 6 teams it is very hard to tell but you would have to say the bulldogs were the ones who underperformed the most in 2017 making it likely they will bounce up, and Adelaide are one of the least likely to drop of the top 6.

          We only really need a couple of small changes to make it a much better draw for us, say if we were to say simply swap Freo away with Brisbane at home and play North in Melbourne it changes the whole complexion.

      • October 31st 2017 @ 1:12pm
        Darren said | October 31st 2017 @ 1:12pm | ! Report

        On a side note 3 more delists. 13 players gone from this year. I’m struggling to see where all the new ones will come from. 3 picked up from trades. I can’t see 10 coming in from the drafts. Maybe one or two of the delists will be offered rookie listings? I thought Boekhurst may have survived.

        • Roar Guru

          October 31st 2017 @ 1:33pm
          Col from Brissie said | October 31st 2017 @ 1:33pm | ! Report

          Darren, 3 of the 13 were on Rookie lists so in all we have 7 spaces on the senior list. We will pick up 3 in the draft with picks 3, 10 and 30 and possibly use our other pick 73 to upgrade Alex Silvagni off the Rookie list. Still leave 3 spaces on the Senior list so it looks like we could be eyeing off some delisted free agents.

          I know we had interest in Matt Shaw from the Gold Coast. Others who might be worth looking at are Hartung and Lennon.

          • October 31st 2017 @ 1:53pm
            Macca said | October 31st 2017 @ 1:53pm | ! Report

            I would be very surprised if the blues weren’t looking seriously at Hartung – Boekhorst going out makes that more likely IMO as they would be competing for the same spot.

            I am a little surprised Boekhorst went out, I thought his late season form might have been enough to get him another year, perhaps he will be rookie listed? White was always going to go and Smedts has too much competition for his spot to get another look at the seniors.

            Happy to see Nick Graham survive – he will have a very tough fight to grab a regular senior spot but his VFL form is consistently high quality which shows a real willingness to work and a great attitude – hopefully he can find that next level.

          • Roar Guru

            October 31st 2017 @ 1:56pm
            Cat said | October 31st 2017 @ 1:56pm | ! Report

            You do not upgrade rookies with picks anymore. Haven’t for a couple of years now.

          • October 31st 2017 @ 2:45pm
            Macca said | October 31st 2017 @ 2:45pm | ! Report

            Col – Apparently the blues are going to pick up Aaron Mullett (ex North)

            • October 31st 2017 @ 3:58pm
              Darren said | October 31st 2017 @ 3:58pm | ! Report

              I like that Macca. All my great memories are of teams with at least 10 Mulletts

        • October 31st 2017 @ 2:18pm
          Macca said | October 31st 2017 @ 2:18pm | ! Report

          Will be interesting to see our average age for 2018 – should be another big drop.

          Out go Armfield (30) White (29) Palmer (28) Gibbs (28) Gorringe (25) Smedts (25) Buckley (24) Boekhorst (24) Sumner (24) & Jacksch (23) off the Senior List & Sheehan (26) Korcheck (26) & Galluci (23) off the rookie list.

          In comes Kennedy (20) Lang (21) Lobbe (28) plus pick 3, 10, 30 & 73 (you would think 18) plus I would expect some players like Hartung and Shaw (wouldn’t be surprised to see Boekhorst get a rookie spot either).

        • October 31st 2017 @ 5:40pm
          Harsh Truth Harry said | October 31st 2017 @ 5:40pm | ! Report

          I believe you are trying to get Cameron Cloke back for another stint.

          • October 31st 2017 @ 6:51pm
            Stephen said | October 31st 2017 @ 6:51pm | ! Report

            You might be confusing Cloke with Vinnie Catoggio Harry!

    • October 31st 2017 @ 10:41am
      Rich_daddy said | October 31st 2017 @ 10:41am | ! Report

      As an interstate Swans fan, the fixture is utter rubbish. Just two afternoon games, one over the Easter long weekend, the other against ‘heavyweights’ Gold Coast Suns.

      Do they actually want people to travel to attend matches? Apparently not, it’s all about TV ratings.

      I’m cancelling my membership in protest.

      Make Saturday Arvo footy great again!

      • Roar Pro

        October 31st 2017 @ 11:22am
        Darren M said | October 31st 2017 @ 11:22am | ! Report

        Saturday afternoon football is dead. Has been on life support for a few years now. With the last TV agreement, Thursday night takes the Saturday afternoon slot, there are fewer and fewer games at the traditional time.

      • October 31st 2017 @ 3:02pm
        Harsh Truth Harry said | October 31st 2017 @ 3:02pm | ! Report

        Rich Daddy, I’m sure the swans will want to release a club statement about your one lost membership…the very walls of the SCG must be shaking in fear at the prospect. Microwave away if you want, no one cares.

    • Roar Guru

      October 31st 2017 @ 10:45am
      Cat said | October 31st 2017 @ 10:45am | ! Report

      Cats:

      9 games at Kardinia Park ✓✓
      7 games at MCG ✓✓
      1 Etihad game ✓
      No Etihad home games ✓✓✓
      5 interstate games in Sydney, Adelaide x 2, Perth and the Gold Coast ✓

      Not bad.

      • Roar Guru

        October 31st 2017 @ 11:11am
        Cat said | October 31st 2017 @ 11:11am | ! Report

        3 Friday night games ✗
        2 Thursday night games ✗✗✗

        Not a fan of the time slots.

        • October 31st 2017 @ 12:27pm
          Harsh Truth Harry said | October 31st 2017 @ 12:27pm | ! Report

          Well Geelong’s list are so old they have to play your games early before they close the gates at the retirement village!

          • Roar Guru

            October 31st 2017 @ 1:57pm
            Cat said | October 31st 2017 @ 1:57pm | ! Report

            Old list? Shows how lacking of actual footy knowledge you are. Geelong’s list was younger than your alleged team last year.

            • October 31st 2017 @ 2:27pm
              Harsh Truth Harry said | October 31st 2017 @ 2:27pm | ! Report

              GAJ has just dropped your average age….with the new list Geelong are the third oldest side in the comp by age

              • Roar Guru

                October 31st 2017 @ 3:35pm
                Cat said | October 31st 2017 @ 3:35pm | ! Report

                Lonergan and Mackie out more than offset Gaz in.

                You must be a Trump fan with all these unsupported ‘alt facts’.

          • Roar Pro

            October 31st 2017 @ 2:13pm
            Darren M said | October 31st 2017 @ 2:13pm | ! Report

            Based on games played, Geelong have the 8th most experienced side. Hardly old.

            • October 31st 2017 @ 2:27pm
              Harsh Truth Harry said | October 31st 2017 @ 2:27pm | ! Report

              whats games played got to do with it…age is age some blokes miss seasons with knee injuries…

              • Roar Guru

                October 31st 2017 @ 3:37pm
                Cat said | October 31st 2017 @ 3:37pm | ! Report

                OLDEST TO YOUNGEST AVERAGE AGE
                West Coast 24 years, 330 days
                Greater Western Sydney 24y, 219d
                Fremantle 24y, 207d
                Hawthorn 24y, 184d
                Essendon 24y, 102d
                Geelong 24y, 18d
                St Kilda 23y, 350d
                Richmond 23y, 344d
                Adelaide 23y, 340d
                Western Bulldogs 23y, 322d
                Collingwood 23y, 319d
                Gold Coast 23y, 305d
                Port Adelaide 23y, 286d
                Carlton 23y, 299d
                Sydney 23y, 265d
                Melbourne 23y, 233d
                North Melbourne 23y, 218d
                Brisbane Lions 22y, 225d

                * Ages calculated at round one, 2017

                Can’t do this years list until they are finalised.

              • October 31st 2017 @ 5:41pm
                Harsh Truth Harry said | October 31st 2017 @ 5:41pm | ! Report

                A five minute check showed four errors in your stats Cat….shoddy work…

              • Roar Guru

                October 31st 2017 @ 6:10pm
                Cat said | October 31st 2017 @ 6:10pm | ! Report

                Prove it Harry. Another in a long line of baseless claims from you.

                http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-12-03/total-list-breakdown-all-the-key-stats

          • November 1st 2017 @ 2:16am
            Joe said | November 1st 2017 @ 2:16am | ! Report

            Cats have four players over 28 (including Ablett).

        • October 31st 2017 @ 1:15pm
          Dan, Concord said | October 31st 2017 @ 1:15pm | ! Report

          Cat – want to do the tick thing on the fixture for the Hawks imagining from a Hawks fan perspective? ??

          • Roar Guru

            October 31st 2017 @ 1:42pm
            Cat said | October 31st 2017 @ 1:42pm | ! Report

            You’re asking a Geelong fan to put themselves in Hawks shoes? That’s playing with fire lol.

            • October 31st 2017 @ 2:53pm
              Dan, Concord said | October 31st 2017 @ 2:53pm | ! Report

              Haha. I know but right now I’m a little pissed off with it. Again we get screwed on the 6 day breaks, only 1 Friday night game, only get to play of the big teams twice Cats and Bombers.

              • Roar Guru

                October 31st 2017 @ 5:44pm
                Cat said | October 31st 2017 @ 5:44pm | ! Report

                Considering your slide down the ladder, the drop in Friday night games is understandable and to be expected.

          • October 31st 2017 @ 2:29pm
            Harsh Truth Harry said | October 31st 2017 @ 2:29pm | ! Report

            why would you care what a one eyed contradictory Geelong supporter cares about your draw?????

            • October 31st 2017 @ 2:58pm
              Dan, Concord said | October 31st 2017 @ 2:58pm | ! Report

              @Cat- yes maybe but I love your simple way of breaking down the fixture. Also I’m somewhat pissed off at it and thought someone with less heart in it might provide a balanced opinion.
              @HTH – I have read some of Cat’s commentary and think it is reasonably balanced although I don’t always agree with him. Also I don’t understand why he gets involved in the back and forth of the comments but that’s hus choice. Also I don’t understand why Macca and Mattyb keep going back and forth with some of the commentators here and each other but they seem to live for it so be it. Each to their own.

              Also I was hoping to see Birdman’s analysis.

              • Roar Guru

                November 1st 2017 @ 4:37am
                Cat said | November 1st 2017 @ 4:37am | ! Report

                I’ll give it a go because you asked nicely.

                Only one trip to Perth ( against the weaker Perth team too) ✓✓✓
                Zero trips to Adelaide (get to avoid two likely finalists away) ✓✓✓✓
                Only 5 six-day breaks (amoung the lowest) ✓✓✓
                9 MCG games + 4 Tassie games + 5 Etihad games ✓✓✓✓✓
                Only 4 interstate games ( 3 out of 4 very winnable) ✓✓✓✓✓

                Tough double up’s considering last years finish ( Geelong (both at MCG though), Sydney, Essendon, St Kilda) . This may be offset because Sydney have been your bunnies. ✗✗✗
                Only one prime time game ✗
                Tough opening 4 weeks ✗✗✗
                Tough final 4 weeks ✗✗✗

                Overall I think Hawks have made out really well, especially if Sydney continue to be your bunnies.

    • Roar Pro

      October 31st 2017 @ 11:20am
      Darren M said | October 31st 2017 @ 11:20am | ! Report

      Melbourne:
      As always: away game against Geelong at KP.
      As always: schedule filled with lower drawing home games (Freo, Suns, Sydney, GWS, Bulldogs, St Kilda & North) while playing bigger clubs only away: West Coast, Essendon, Carlton, Hawthorn, Adelaide (yes I know we get a home game against them in NT).
      Only the one Friday night game.
      Travel to Gabba twice, Adelaide Oval twice and Perth.
      Four away games in a row.
      Home marquee game against Richmond, Collingwood.
      No home games at Etihad.
      Four Saturday night games.
      No back-to-back six day breaks.

      • Roar Guru

        October 31st 2017 @ 11:23am
        Cat said | October 31st 2017 @ 11:23am | ! Report

        You open the season against Geelong @ MCG, if you play us twice, one has to be at KP.

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          October 31st 2017 @ 11:28am
          Darren M said | October 31st 2017 @ 11:28am | ! Report

          Yeah, I know that.

          The issue I have is that we play down there regardless. If we play twice, it’s one home and one away. But if we play you guys once, its always away and always at KP.

          We get the same deal with Carlton, Essendon and Hawthorn. Used to be with Richmond too until we got Anzac Eve started. Only get home games when it’s twice a season.

          • October 31st 2017 @ 11:36am
            Macca said | October 31st 2017 @ 11:36am | ! Report

            Where do you play your “away” games against Carlton, Essendon & Hawthorn?

            The blues have the same relationship with Freo as you do with Geelong, only play them in Melbourne if we pay twice, would you prefer that arrangement?

            • Roar Pro

              October 31st 2017 @ 11:54am
              Darren M said | October 31st 2017 @ 11:54am | ! Report

              I’m looking at the commercial side of things as much as the football side of things. We never get the takings from Essendon or Carlton or Hawthorn away games. We hardly ever get two games against any of those clubs either to get the double up.
              We get a home game against Collingwood through a personal agreement with Eddie.

              Always double up against Bulldogs and St Kilda. Usually against North as well, and usually against the lower drawing interstate teams. Always play WCE in Perth, and if playing a SA team once in the year, its almost always in SA. If it’s twice we get the return game in the NT – which I know is something we volunteer for.

              But maybe we wouldn’t have to sell our home games to the NT if we could get a few more home games against the big drawing clubs.

              • October 31st 2017 @ 12:55pm
                truetigerfan said | October 31st 2017 @ 12:55pm | ! Report

                Easy solution, Darren. Be more successful! Win more games!

              • October 31st 2017 @ 1:04pm
                Macca said | October 31st 2017 @ 1:04pm | ! Report

                Or perhaps you could start turning up to games – 47K turned up for your “away” game against the blues this year, hardly a block buster

              • October 31st 2017 @ 1:08pm
                Pope Paul VII said | October 31st 2017 @ 1:08pm | ! Report

                Cheer up Daz. You’ve got 2 chances of capturing the North Melbourne Cup and my blokes have got 2 more chances to extend their iron grip on the Melbourne Cup.

              • October 31st 2017 @ 7:08pm
                Peter the Scribe said | October 31st 2017 @ 7:08pm | ! Report

                Good to see someone acknowledge Eddie does do good deeds.

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            October 31st 2017 @ 11:37am
            Cat said | October 31st 2017 @ 11:37am | ! Report

            Unfortunately that is a byproduct of the AFL ‘maximising attendance’ over being fair. Because certain teams every year are ‘too big/important/entitled’ to travel down to KP others have to do more than their fair share. It is similar to Freo always having to travel to Tassie to play Hawthorn, despite the length of the trip for them.
            Every team should play every ground – it would solve so many issues.

        • October 31st 2017 @ 3:15pm
          Slane said | October 31st 2017 @ 3:15pm | ! Report

          And yet Richmond play Geelong home and away at the G this year…

          • Roar Guru

            October 31st 2017 @ 3:40pm
            Cat said | October 31st 2017 @ 3:40pm | ! Report

            So does Hawthorn yet again. Haven’t gotten to play them as the actual home side since about 2008 IIRC.

            • October 31st 2017 @ 4:49pm
              Slane said | October 31st 2017 @ 4:49pm | ! Report

              Ouch.

            • October 31st 2017 @ 5:00pm
              Brian said | October 31st 2017 @ 5:00pm | ! Report

              Hawks nearly always won when playing in Geelong anyway.

              Is it not enough our stamp duty is constantly spent funding your little town.

              • Roar Guru

                October 31st 2017 @ 5:48pm
                Cat said | October 31st 2017 @ 5:48pm | ! Report

                You’ve played 48 games at Kardinia park for 16 wins, 31 losses and a draw. How do you get ‘nearly always won’ out of that?

              • October 31st 2017 @ 10:44pm
                Brian said | October 31st 2017 @ 10:44pm | ! Report

                Since the AFL started in 1990 we have played there 9 times for 6 wins and 3 losses. Last game there we won by 52 points. I’d say that’s a good record

    • Roar Guru

      October 31st 2017 @ 11:37am
      mds1970 said | October 31st 2017 @ 11:37am | ! Report

      Tough for GWS Giants to play Adelaide, Sydney and West Coast twice; but we knew that already. Overall it’s not too bad for the Giants, although having two Adelaide trips, both Sunday twilight, will be tricky. And our only Friday night game is away at Kardinia Park where we’ve never won.
      A lot of Saturday night home games, which is a great timeslot. But the mind boggles at a Saturday 7:25pm in August at Manuka – we’ll need to rug up for that one!

      • Roar Guru

        October 31st 2017 @ 1:03pm
        TomC said | October 31st 2017 @ 1:03pm | ! Report

        If the Crows and GWS are both in top four contention next season, then that Saturday night Canberra game could be important.

        And given the Giants’ impressive record at Manuka, the fact that it’s a deceptively hard ground for visitors, and as you say the particular feel of cold weather in Canberra, I’d say that fixturing decision is a little fillip for GWS.

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