Black Cats: How everyone’s second favourite team exhausted its goodwill

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    Bitterness towards the recent reunion of the Geelong Cats and Gary Ablett isn’t as much a tipping point as the realisation of a growing – but largely suppressed – feeling of coolness towards the Cats.

    After all, even the most stone-hearted football fan must struggle to resist the romance of a club’s favourite son – who just happens to be the son of the club’s original favourite son – returning to the club to play out his final farewell act in front of its adoring fans.

    Never mind a Bombers supporting child of the 1980s and 1990s who, like many fans of other clubs, looked on the loveable but ultimately flawed Cats of the time as my second favourite team.

    This was of course against the backdrop of those wildly entertaining Geelong sides, headlined by Gary Ablett (senior) and with football savant Malcolm Blight at the helm, which played such an irresistible brand of free-flowing, attacking football.

    But the football itself was only part of the attraction for the neutral supporter.

    The Cats – residents of Victoria’s second city Geelong, long dubbed ‘Sleepy Hollow’ – were the closest thing the competition had to a country club and tapped into the goodwill big city Australians have always felt for the bush.

    For jaded fans of Melbourne based clubs, it was hard not to be drawn in by the innocent naivety of tales of Cats centre-half-forward Billy Brownless kicking a football over a wheat silo or the (late) Paul Couch being surprised at the arrival of the fire brigade at his house after he set a tree on fire in order to kill a creeping vine.

    Of course, there was also Buddha Hocking’s infamous ‘Whiskas’ name change stunt aimed at raising much-needed cash for the club.

    The fact Geelong also represented the gateway to the surf coast for many Melburnians also ensured thoughts of the Cats were somehow always intertwined with summer holiday nostalgia.

    Perhaps the formative footballing moment in respect of many neutral fans’ fondness for the Cats was the epic 1989 grand final.

    There was something so profoundly heroic about that Geelong side dispensing with its genetic flair so as to go toe to toe with that all-conquering, snarling Hawthorn beast in such a shockingly brutal affair.

    That this approach was ultimately credited as the reason the Cats came so close to victory and also the distraction that robbed them of a flag, only heightened the sense of tragedy and feeling of admiration for Geelong.

    The Cats would go on to lose three more grand finals which only endeared them more to the neutral.

    After celebrating the Cats drought-breaking romp over Port Adelaide in the 2007 grand final, the 2008 grand final boilover against the fledgeling unsociable Hawks revived that familiar mixture of fondness and sympathy for the blue and white hoops.

    And then all that goodwill slowly started to evaporate.

    While undoubtedly success has played its part, it does not tell the whole story.

    Perhaps the first cracks in the Cats’ veneer appeared when the Cats defeated the Saints in the 2009 grand final and in doing so, shattered the dreams of a club which rivalled the Cats as a flawed heartbreaker.

    Then came the appointment of the hard-nosed and pragmatic Chris Scott, who was very much at odds with his somewhat mad football genius type predecessors in Mark Thompson and Blight.

    Joel Selwood’s Peter Costello-like smug grin, coupled with his penchant for cynically ducking into tackles to attract free kicks never fails to rankle.

    On the minor end of the scale, there was Harry Taylor’s bizarre ‘ham’ handshake with Adelaide Crow Josh Jenkins.

    But most unsavoury of all was the Cats’ shameless 2012 mid-season delegation to Adelaide to try and woo the Power’s Jan Juc boy, Travis Boak back home. That it came at a time when the Power was on its knees left an even greater stain on the Cats.

    And now the Ablett trade, which just happens to represent the second (eventual in the case of Patrick Dangerfield) Brownlow medallist the Cats have poached from rival clubs in the last two years.

    Gary Ablett Geelong Cats AFL

    (Photo by Mark Dadswell/Getty Images)

    Despite the Cats disingenuous protestations to the contrary, the trade always had an air of inevitability when you considered the bleeding trade partner in Gold Coast and the thinly veiled threat of retirement from Ablett’s camp.

    The surprisingly high compensatory draft pick awarded to the Cats for Steven Motlop’s departure – and ultimately used as a makeweight in the deal – did little for the trade’s popularity outside of Geelong.

    In any event, none of this will trouble the vast majority of Cats fans rightly revelling in their club’s golden era.

    It just might mean the Saints have a few more friends moving forward.

    Author’s note: While not referenced in the article, a note to acknowledge the sad passing of Natasha Ablett and not to ignore the personal reasons involved in players seeking a trade closer to home.

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    • November 3rd 2017 @ 6:14am
      Kangaroo Island said | November 3rd 2017 @ 6:14am | ! Report

      It’s finally coming out of the bag. Geelong has had small incremental help in all areas of the game for years, including its patriotic media supporters who don’t seem to hide their support and subtle influence on anything Geelong. Too Geelong supporters this would not be as noticeable as it would be to other team supporters but it’s almost sickly.
      Yes other teams have strong media personalities who love their teams but they are much better at holding a professional distance when supporting there team.

      • Roar Guru

        November 3rd 2017 @ 8:07am
        Cat said | November 3rd 2017 @ 8:07am | ! Report

        So it should be simple and easy for you to name these alleged areas the Cats have been helped.

        • November 3rd 2017 @ 11:25am
          steve said | November 3rd 2017 @ 11:25am | ! Report

          pick 19

          • Roar Guru

            November 3rd 2017 @ 12:10pm
            Cat said | November 3rd 2017 @ 12:10pm | ! Report

            What was the actual value of Mtolop’s contract at PA? No rumour’s or ‘I think’s’. You cannot say the FA compo was wrong unless you know the actual value of his contract. None of us do. The AFL do though and that is what it is based on (along with age).

            • November 3rd 2017 @ 7:58pm
              George said | November 3rd 2017 @ 7:58pm | ! Report

              Again you forgot to mention that the final say is in the hands of committee and GM. Most non Cats supporters would agree that pick 19 for Motlop was anomaly yet AFL went with it. I actually doubt the magic formula spit out pick 19. ‘In applying the formula, an expert committee reviews the formula outcomes. The committee has the power to recommend alternative outcomes to GM – Football Operations where the formula produces a materially anomalous result’

              • Roar Guru

                November 3rd 2017 @ 8:01pm
                Cat said | November 3rd 2017 @ 8:01pm | ! Report

                And you know the committee changed it how? You are making a huge assumption based on zero knowledge. You don’t know what the contract Motlop signed is worth, you can only guess. Until you know the contract value you cannot say with any certainty what the formula spit out.

              • November 8th 2017 @ 8:31am
                Steve009 said | November 8th 2017 @ 8:31am | ! Report

                With the current AFL it’s a huge assumption that they didn’t tamper with the position of that draft pick.

            • November 3rd 2017 @ 8:16pm
              George said | November 3rd 2017 @ 8:16pm | ! Report

              The point is that committee can change the formula outcome to whatever they want. I am not saying that formula did not produce pick 19. If formula gave pick 19 they could change it to more a reasonable pick. Or you really think pick 19 for Motlop is fair?

              • Roar Guru

                November 3rd 2017 @ 8:33pm
                Cat said | November 3rd 2017 @ 8:33pm | ! Report

                IF his contract was close enough to Rockliff’s and he is a year younger (age is in the formula too) then yes. Where was this committee when Melbourne got pick #3 for Frawley? Do you honestly this he was ‘worth’ that?

                Personally my opinion has never wavered since FA was announced, there should be no compo picks. I don’t like that 17 clubs picks get devalued because one club chooses to let a FA go.
                If there was no compo picks, Geelong may have forced PA’s hand by threatening to match the offer (ala Adelaide and Dangerfield) and who knows what they would have gotten then.

        • Roar Rookie

          November 3rd 2017 @ 1:53pm
          Lamby said | November 3rd 2017 @ 1:53pm | ! Report

          Finishing top 4 and receiving a draw like a bottom 10 finishing team for the last 3 years?

          • Roar Guru

            November 3rd 2017 @ 8:02pm
            Cat said | November 3rd 2017 @ 8:02pm | ! Report

            Be nice if it was true but it simply isn’t.

        • November 4th 2017 @ 1:34am
          New York Hawk said | November 4th 2017 @ 1:34am | ! Report

          To argue you didn’t get help is ridiculous. The AFL said Motlop is worth the same as Buddy. The only way you can argue you didn’t get help is by defending the AFL’s assessment of the relative worth of those two players.

          • Roar Guru

            November 4th 2017 @ 3:28am
            Cat said | November 4th 2017 @ 3:28am | ! Report

            No they did not. Hawks got band one compo (first round pick following their own). Geelong got band two compo (end of first round). Learn the rules.

      • November 3rd 2017 @ 10:14am
        Peter T said | November 3rd 2017 @ 10:14am | ! Report

        hahahahahahahahahahahhahaah

      • November 3rd 2017 @ 10:44am
        Joe said | November 3rd 2017 @ 10:44am | ! Report

        People constantly moan about Cameron Ling, and it clearly affects him, because he goes out of his way to be critical of the Cats, not that anybody gives him a lick of credit for it. He also raves about Hawthorn at every opportunity. But bitching and moaning is more fun I suppose…

        • November 4th 2017 @ 1:36am
          New York Hawk said | November 4th 2017 @ 1:36am | ! Report

          As much as it pains me to say this, I love Lingy as a commentator. This is probably due to the fact that he is very bullish on the Hawks and critical of the Cats, but hey, it resonates with me!

      • November 3rd 2017 @ 11:17am
        Stephen said | November 3rd 2017 @ 11:17am | ! Report

        Agreed Kangaroo Island. You make some interesting observations Jump Ball (shame you don’t identify as your given name). Your title ..”everyone’s second favourite team..” is remarkable in itself – but contextual when the full piece is read – I guess. Like the author, I also once shared a fondness for Geelong. I cannot articulate it very well. Perhaps I was aghast at the brilliance of Ablett Sr and the much under-rated Bill Brownless, in awe of the 1989 GF feats. And Corey Enright – one of my all time favourite players – I still miss.

        Whilst the items mentioned by the author are irritations – that’s all they are for mine. No, it’s the continual, systematic media manipulation I struggle with. I apologise for repeating myself from earlier posts. Sam Newman, Rebecca Madden, Bill Brownless, Craig Hutchinson, Jon Anderson, Dr Peter Larkin, Cameron Ling, Gerard Whateley, Cameron Mooney, Jimmy Bartel, Hamish McLachlin, Liam Pickering, Dwayne Russell, Anthony Hudson, Darren Berry…………..all GFC sympathisers. And now we have Steven Hocking as the AFL Operations Manager. It’s staggering. Staggering. And they never seem to miss an opportunity to better their cause. This may include – home finals, pending MRP hearings, compensations draft picks, or simply looking after their mates from other clubs – Steven Johnson, Gary Ablett, James Kelly etc.etc.etc. It’s so widespread now – that it’s becoming not-so-subtle. But it’s manipulation nonetheless.

        Media manipulation worked well five years ago. Today however we operate in real-time – a digital age. And if people feel manipulated they can spread the word quickly. The digital age for mine, has brought with it an ‘age of authenticity’. Those who want to trot-out old behavioural patterns of manipulating an unsuspecting public – run a far greater risk of being called out. And that is the case for a few of the names above. I would argue the media careers of the worst offenders above are at risk. Just my opinion.

        The most professional commentators are loathed to ‘brainwash’ viewers/listeners and readers. They have the emotional intelligence and sufficient respect for their public to compartmentalize their own feelings and agendas. Never daring to use their job as a platform to potentially insult the intelligence of those engaged. The growing number of ‘Geelong’ media representatives however seem to lack this ability. And arguably, more and more of us are feeling it.

        • Roar Guru

          November 3rd 2017 @ 12:28pm
          Cat said | November 3rd 2017 @ 12:28pm | ! Report

          That’s some grand conspiracy you have spun.

          First off, when you have a club that dug itself out from in excess of $12,000,000 debt (with not a single extra dollar from the AFL, unlike Bulldogs, Melbourne, Brisbane, Port Adelaide, Saint Kilda etc) your administrators tend to get looked at favourably. They’ve also done all the while lobbying state, federal and local governments for money for the 4 completed stages of KP renovations. That’s another feather in their career caps that other clubs don’t have the experience in.
          As for the ex players in the media are you really going to hold Sam Newman up as a positive? Everyone I know wishes he would go away and be forgotten. He is an embarrassment. Who ever takes Billy Brownless serious is also a fool. He is the proverbial ‘class clown’.
          Is it Geelong’s fault we have players with personalities? That is what get’s them jobs and keeps them in them.
          Don’t tell me other clubs don’t have just as biased media performers. Eddie, Shaw and BT have never failed to pump up Collingwood. Watson has always taken Essendons side in everything.
          Maybe what you are actually ‘feeling’ is that AFL commentators suck. Full stop. The lot of them. Worst sports media in the world.
          Geelong’s influence on AFL house is so ‘MASSIVE’ they have managed to get 1 home final in 150 years. WOW! That’s some power right there. MRP hearings did you say? You are kidding yourself, if Geelong had any influence, as you claim, Hawkins wouldn’t have been suspended twice last year and Steve Johnson wouldn’t have copped yearly suspensions for things other players get away with. They’d all have been ruled ‘force below’ if they did it while wearing Hawthorn colours.

          • November 3rd 2017 @ 12:48pm
            Reservoir Animal said | November 3rd 2017 @ 12:48pm | ! Report

            “First off, when you have a club that dug itself out from in excess of $12,000,000 debt (with not a single extra dollar from the AFL, unlike Bulldogs, Melbourne, Brisbane, Port Adelaide, Saint Kilda etc) your administrators tend to get looked at favourably”

            Fitzroy’s debt was about a third of that. As a punishment, the AFL killed them off.

            “They’ve also done all the while lobbying state, federal and local governments for money for the 4 completed stages of KP renovations”

            Easy to lobby when you don’t have 8 other teams in your city lobbying for the same money.

            “Don’t tell me other clubs don’t have just as biased media performers. Eddie, Shaw and BT have never failed to pump up Collingwood”

            Comparing yourself to Collingwood just proves you have a problem.

            “Geelong’s influence on AFL house is so ‘MASSIVE’ they have managed to get 1 home final in 150 years.”

            That’s because their ground is unworthy of such a major event.

            “They’d all have been ruled ‘force below’ if they did it while wearing Hawthorn colours.”

            Evidence please.

            • Roar Guru

              November 4th 2017 @ 3:05pm
              Cat said | November 4th 2017 @ 3:05pm | ! Report

              Fitzroy’s debt was about a third of that. As a punishment, the AFL killed them off.

              There was a heck of a lot more to it than simple debt. You’ve also not factored in inflation nor the state of AFL house compared to VFL house back then.

              Easy to lobby when you don’t have 8 other teams in your city lobbying for the same money.

              Again, you are massively oversimplifying it. Cats have spent ~$20,000,000 of their own dollars while getting themselves out of debt with no AFL house help on lobbying, architects, building plans, permits etc. Most Melbourne clubs could not even come close to managing those kinds of funds to do it.

              • November 4th 2017 @ 4:16pm
                Reservoir Animal said | November 4th 2017 @ 4:16pm | ! Report

                “Most Melbourne clubs could not even come close to managing those kinds of funds to do it.”

                That’s right, because they’re not in a one-team town.

              • Roar Guru

                November 4th 2017 @ 4:32pm
                Cat said | November 4th 2017 @ 4:32pm | ! Report

                There are nine teams in Melbourne and 4.67 million* people. That works out to approximately 519k people per team.

                There is one team in Geelong and 238,603* people.

                Melbourne teams have over twice the people per team available.

                * 2016 population totals.

              • November 7th 2017 @ 9:06am
                Reservoir Animal said | November 7th 2017 @ 9:06am | ! Report

                Cat, Melbourne also has four professional football teams in three other football codes, and millions of people who come from other states or countries where nobody cares about AFL football.

                Geelong’s population is nearly all white people of British descent, as are all of the surrounding regions whose population basically support the Cats by default.

                Consider these facts and then come up with some more accurate numbers please.

          • November 3rd 2017 @ 1:14pm
            Stephen said | November 3rd 2017 @ 1:14pm | ! Report

            Ok Cat. Best perhaps to agree to disagree on largely opinion-based commentary – in which we probably view from vastly differing angles and filters. Factually, I’ll take your word on the $12m debt. But as we have discussed previously the ~$100m raised from State/Federal governments in marginal electorates surrounding Kardinia Park – is significant. And having club support from Bracks and Baillieu – probable didn’t hurt the cause. Few, if any clubs have enjoyed such government support. Even those on Geelong radio refer to Kardinia Park as ‘Stamp Duty Park’. It’s no great secret. And yes, the club has lobbied well.

            • Roar Guru

              November 3rd 2017 @ 8:35pm
              Cat said | November 3rd 2017 @ 8:35pm | ! Report

              As I said before your argument falls apart when you realise Bracks and Bailieu were out of office for at least half the stages and won’t be coming back for stage 5 either.

          • November 3rd 2017 @ 4:58pm
            Deir-ba-zor said | November 3rd 2017 @ 4:58pm | ! Report

            Cat, They have two home finals in the past 150 years.

          • November 4th 2017 @ 1:39am
            New York Hawk said | November 4th 2017 @ 1:39am | ! Report

            Hawks players never escape suspension. Buddy was always suspended as a Hawk and now he does worse things as a Swan (against the Hawks in some cases) and hasn’t been suspended once!

            • Roar Guru

              November 4th 2017 @ 3:29am
              Cat said | November 4th 2017 @ 3:29am | ! Report

              Mitchell’s knees, Hodges elbows? If Hodge wore the hoops he’d have more suspensions than Stevie J

    • November 3rd 2017 @ 8:27am
      andyl12 said | November 3rd 2017 @ 8:27am | ! Report

      As a Hawks fan I’ll admit there are some things I like about Geelong and I do have Geelong friends who are good blokes and deserve to see success. And in many ways both clubs epitomise the fact that the old-money attitudes of Carlton/Collingwood/Essendon can be trumped in today’s competition. But it’s time people stopped thinking their recent success is as significant or as deserved as Hawthorn’s is, especially when you consider the following:

      *They have the inherited advantage of being in a one-team town, which meant they never had to stave off takeover threats or attempts by the AFL to kill them off.
      *This also gives them a fortressed home ground, something no Melbourne club would be permitted to have.
      *They never won 2 straight flags, let alone three.
      *They never won a fourth flag.
      *Throughout the Kennett Curse era they consistently had one of the comp’s best free-kick ratios, while Hawthorn had one of the worst.
      *They have Joel Selwood. Nobody else in the comp gets away with what he gets away with.
      *Most of their fans still haven’t accepted the result of the 2008 GF even though they were comprehensively beaten and had more than a good deal with the umpires that day. It’s a bit like Donald Trump only accepting results when he wins.

      • Roar Guru

        November 3rd 2017 @ 9:40am
        Cat said | November 3rd 2017 @ 9:40am | ! Report

        Then there are Hawk fans, no matter how successful they are they still get butthurt at the first mention of any team but their own having something positive said about it. The chips you Brian, NewYorkHawk and others carry around constantly must get tiring.

        • November 3rd 2017 @ 9:53am
          andyl12 said | November 3rd 2017 @ 9:53am | ! Report

          You seem to be saying I’m not allowed to comment on this article.

          • Roar Guru

            November 3rd 2017 @ 12:30pm
            Cat said | November 3rd 2017 @ 12:30pm | ! Report

            Comment away, but don’t be surprised when you get called out for yet again interjecting your team into a conversation that had nothing to do with them. Any time success is mentioned about another club you always have to big note your team. Stop being so insecure and just enjoy your teams accomplishments without crapping on others.

            • November 3rd 2017 @ 12:39pm
              andyl12 said | November 3rd 2017 @ 12:39pm | ! Report

              “Stop being so insecure and just enjoy your teams accomplishments without crapping on others.”

              And if I barracked for anyone else, you’d dismiss me as a jealous individual because my team hasn’t won three flags in recent times.

              Basically, you think only Geelong supporters should be allowed to talk about Geelong,

              • Roar Guru

                November 3rd 2017 @ 8:04pm
                Cat said | November 3rd 2017 @ 8:04pm | ! Report

                Talk about Geelong if you want but leave your side out of it. Is it really that hard to not mention Hawthorn in every single post you make?

        • November 3rd 2017 @ 10:29am
          Birdman said | November 3rd 2017 @ 10:29am | ! Report

          I’m sure Cats’ fans feel even more butthurt and resentful of Hawthorn given the many deluded claims I’ve read (not from you Cat TBF) about winning percentage and more H&A wins making the Cats a more successful club.

      • November 3rd 2017 @ 10:48am
        Joe said | November 3rd 2017 @ 10:48am | ! Report

        “Throughout the Kennett Curse era they consistently had one of the comp’s best free-kick ratios, while Hawthorn had one of the worst.”

        That’s utter bollocks, Geelong had one of the worst free-kick ratios of any team during the early years of this decade.

        “Most of their fans still haven’t accepted the result of the 2008 GF even though they were comprehensively beaten”

        Scoreboard was 11.23 (Geelong) to 18.7 (Hawthorn), and the game was immediately followed by the AFL changing the rules on rushed behinds. I think it’s pretty obvious why some people are sour.

        • November 3rd 2017 @ 11:19am
          andyl12 said | November 3rd 2017 @ 11:19am | ! Report

          “That’s utter bollocks, Geelong had one of the worst free-kick ratios of any team during the early years of this decade.”

          I just checked the stats. In 2012 your argument partly holds up but the figures from 2009-2011 and 2013 more than compensate. Your free-kick differential in 2013 was 30 ahead of ours in 2011, 45 in 2010, 79 in 2013 and a whopping 103 in 2009.

          “Scoreboard was 11.23 (Geelong) to 18.7 (Hawthorn), and the game was immediately followed by the AFL changing the rules on rushed behinds. I think it’s pretty obvious why some people are sour.”

          Sour because you lost to a team that played by the rules? And/or because Cam Mooney was just as keen on kicking behinds that day?

          • November 4th 2017 @ 2:31pm
            Joe said | November 4th 2017 @ 2:31pm | ! Report

            Read your comment back again. You complain about Geelong getting more free kicks than Hawthorn, then say people are sour because their team lost to a team that played by the rules.

            Genius.

            • November 4th 2017 @ 4:12pm
              andyl12 said | November 4th 2017 @ 4:12pm | ! Report

              Yes, we played by the rules. It didn’t stop the umpires unsuccessfully attempting to rob us of a win that day.

      • November 3rd 2017 @ 10:49am
        Mark said | November 3rd 2017 @ 10:49am | ! Report

        Pretty big sook from the supporter of a team so successful in recent times.

        • November 3rd 2017 @ 11:20am
          Reservoir Animal said | November 3rd 2017 @ 11:20am | ! Report

          I don’t go for Hawthorn. Does that mean I have more of a right to sook than andyl12 does?

    • November 3rd 2017 @ 8:46am
      Billy said | November 3rd 2017 @ 8:46am | ! Report

      I think the other thing is Geelong moaning about not being able to play finals on their dinky little ground which is 26 metres narrower than the MCG and has such a limited capacity.

      • November 3rd 2017 @ 4:37pm
        spruce moose said | November 3rd 2017 @ 4:37pm | ! Report

        …yet GWS are allowed to embarrass the AFL by having half a crowd turn up in a stadium half the capacity of Kardinia?

        I think Geelong are right to be angry.

    • November 3rd 2017 @ 9:10am
      Birdman said | November 3rd 2017 @ 9:10am | ! Report

      Can’t say I’ve ever had any fondness for the Cats – and nothing that’s happened in the late few years has made that any more likley.

      • November 3rd 2017 @ 9:20am
        GJ said | November 3rd 2017 @ 9:20am | ! Report

        That was diplomatic. Most of the fans of the 2 clubs have been dumping steaming piles on each other for the last 30 years.

        • November 3rd 2017 @ 10:31am
          Birdman said | November 3rd 2017 @ 10:31am | ! Report

          haha – my diplomacy won’t last long but I like to start Friday’s off on a positive note since it’s the best day of the working week.

    • November 3rd 2017 @ 9:16am
      Joel said | November 3rd 2017 @ 9:16am | ! Report

      Or might it be the recruiting of established players such as Dangerfield, Tuohy, Henderson and Selwood which has annoyed fans particularly from those clubs?
      Or maybe the way legends of the club such as Chapman, Bartel and Johnson have been pushed out even though they didn’t want to retire?
      Or maybe the Footy Show being dominated by Geelong fans including Billy, Sam and Rebecca Madden?

    • November 3rd 2017 @ 9:22am
      Tigertime said | November 3rd 2017 @ 9:22am | ! Report

      Hey andyl12 they are still whining about the 1967 Grand Final when Fred Swift marked on the goal line,

      • November 3rd 2017 @ 10:31am
        andyl12 said | November 3rd 2017 @ 10:31am | ! Report

        Interesting. Do they also argue that all the future success of the Hafey era wouldn’t have happened if the goal umpire had “gotten it right?”

      • November 4th 2017 @ 10:27am
        Stephen said | November 4th 2017 @ 10:27am | ! Report

        Polly Farmer hasn’t let go of the 1967 GF result. Perhaps he has a point. But unless they invent a time-machine, it remains very old news.

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