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Kangaroos vs All Blacks? I’d like to see that!

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    Reports have emerged off a possible hybrid rugby match between the Australia Kangaroos and New Zealand All Blacks in Tokyo, estimated to generate $50 million.

    Both nations are expected to pick up a handsome $10 million, with each player receiving a $600,000 cut of the pie.

    It’s an untapped partnership which could reap enormous rewards for both codes, and could even help to revive Rugby Australia.

    The match would unite supporters of both codes, with the potential for TV ratings that could rival State of Origin, or the AFL and NRL grand finals.

    It could also be just what rugby league needs to gain a foothold in the lucrative Japanese market, after their national team – the Samurais – narrowly defeated Hong Kong 24-22 over the weekend.

    There would be a plethora of scintillating match-ups across the park.

    Michael Morgan comes up against Beauden Barrett, with veteran Cameron Smith taking on the All Blacks’ explosive young hooker Asafo Aumua. Josh Dugan could get a shock if he were to come up against Sonny Bill Williams, while Ngani Laumape and Matt Duffie could transfer their rugby league skills over.

    Just don’t ask Brad Thorn where his allegiance would lie.

    The rulebook might prove a head-scratcher, though.

    Thirteen players (six forwards, seven backs) will be allowed on the field, with seven reserves. Each team will be in possession of the ball for 60 seconds, with two referees game (one from each code). When attacking out of your own half, league rules will be enforced, while union laws are in place in the opposition half. Lineouts will have six players with no lifting.

    Tries are worth five points while conversions and penalty goals award two points, and field goals one.

    It’s been tried before with great success, after Western Suburbs Magpies defeated Randwick Galloping Greens 47-19 at the old Parramatta Stadium in 2015.

    If it becomes a success, why not expand the concept? Imagine Wayne Bennett’s England coming up against Israel Folau and the Wallabies. Or how about a club series featuring games such as Canterbury Crusaders versus Wigan Warriors, Brisbane Broncos versus Saracens, and Scarlets versus Toronto Wolfpack.

    Imagine the fanfare surrounding a game between the Fijian Drua and Papua New Guinea Hunters!

    Hybrid rugby still remains a pipe dream, but it could soon become a reality and a precious commodity to both codes.

    Roarers, would you be excited to see the world’s best in rugby league and rugby union go head-to-head?

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    • November 10th 2017 @ 2:54am
      Max said | November 10th 2017 @ 2:54am | ! Report

      The all blacks would kill the kangaroos! Would be such a waste of time. The kangaroos should rather take on Japan that would be a closer game.

      • November 10th 2017 @ 2:58am
        Jeffrey said | November 10th 2017 @ 2:58am | ! Report

        You obviously know very little about League. I’m a Union man but there are some fantastic athletes in League. Your comment is filled with arrogance and ignorance.

        • November 10th 2017 @ 5:11am
          Ken Catchpole's Other Leg said | November 10th 2017 @ 5:11am | ! Report

          Jeffrey, it is not just athleticism it is also adaptability.
          Can RL players adapt to RU better than vica versa?

          The refereeing would be mind boggling.

        • November 10th 2017 @ 9:41am
          TC said | November 10th 2017 @ 9:41am | ! Report

          True, but league scrums are just a lean-fest, so they might get dished up there.

          • November 10th 2017 @ 10:42am
            Muzzo said | November 10th 2017 @ 10:42am | ! Report

            Not only the scrums, but the rucks & mauls, along with the cleanouts

            • November 10th 2017 @ 11:11am
              Fred said | November 10th 2017 @ 11:11am | ! Report

              Hence why it would be a hybrid game. The Kangaroos would not be playing the All Blacks in rugby union…

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                November 10th 2017 @ 11:42am
                piru said | November 10th 2017 @ 11:42am | ! Report

                The game would have to be so dumbed down to make it competitive so as to be pointless.

                No way they could have scrums, rucks, mauls or lineouts – it would basically be league.

                NZ already has a league team – why lower the All Blacks to playing it?

              • November 10th 2017 @ 12:22pm
                Fred said | November 10th 2017 @ 12:22pm | ! Report

                The All Blacks might want to play a decent team to get some competition for a change.

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                November 10th 2017 @ 12:24pm
                piru said | November 10th 2017 @ 12:24pm | ! Report

                Maybe they could play the Harlem Globetrotters too?

                They’d have about as much chance as the Kangaroos

              • November 10th 2017 @ 1:42pm
                Muzzo said | November 10th 2017 @ 1:42pm | ! Report

                So, the AB’s would virtually be playing mungoball, if all those competitive parts are taken out of this, so called hybrid game? The AB’s play rugby, not a sort of touch rugby brand, as this is what it seems to be turning out to be. How bloody utterly ridiculous

              • Roar Guru

                November 10th 2017 @ 3:59pm
                Ralph said | November 10th 2017 @ 3:59pm | ! Report

                I think League’s best chance would be a one dimensional, monotonous and never ending string of “hit-up’s”. Followed by some one off runners.

                The union boys might fall asleep from boredom and then they could run in a few tries.

        • November 10th 2017 @ 2:25pm
          P2R2 said | November 10th 2017 @ 2:25pm | ! Report

          so how do the scrums get done…??? a union man you call yourself…the AB scrum will trample and crush a Kangaroo league scrum….

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            November 10th 2017 @ 2:55pm
            piru said | November 10th 2017 @ 2:55pm | ! Report

            A 3rd grade Rugby scrum would crush the Kangaroos league scrum

            • Roar Guru

              November 10th 2017 @ 3:34pm
              Ralph said | November 10th 2017 @ 3:34pm | ! Report

              My old Granny could out scrum the Kangaroos ..

              • November 10th 2017 @ 5:24pm
                matth said | November 10th 2017 @ 5:24pm | ! Report

                Of course. but then scrums are not used for the same purpose in League, they are just a way to open up the field for the backlines at the start of a set. There is no scrummaging involved and hasn’t been for 30 years.

              • Roar Rookie

                November 10th 2017 @ 5:30pm
                piru said | November 10th 2017 @ 5:30pm | ! Report

                so why bother

      • November 10th 2017 @ 4:38am
        jamesb said | November 10th 2017 @ 4:38am | ! Report

        “The all blacks would kill the kangaroos! Would be such a waste of time. The kangaroos should rather take on Japan that would be a closer game.”

        Mad Max!

      • November 15th 2017 @ 12:59pm
        Marto said | November 15th 2017 @ 12:59pm | ! Report

        but but but but but.. Izzy Folau was an average Kangaroo.. but but but….he is the Wallabies best player. ….but but but

        • November 18th 2017 @ 3:33pm
          warugbynut said | November 18th 2017 @ 3:33pm | ! Report

          That highlights the differences between the two games, every position in rugby is technical…………….So you cant win with 15 full backs and call it anything like rugby. ……………sevens maybe.the scrums are at least a little familiar and if you eliminate the breakdown.

    • November 10th 2017 @ 4:17am
      englishbob said | November 10th 2017 @ 4:17am | ! Report

      Traditionally these games go the way of the league teams I believe who tend to score loads of points in the league half and the union team struggle to catch up. It’d be interesting to compare but its an odd concept to make a regular thing of. Besides, if I’m being cheeky there’s no guarantee that these will be the top two teams in their sports in 2019, the kangaroos have some incredible once in a generation talent retiring after this world cup and union is a much more competitive international sport, AUS, Eng or possibly Ire/Sa could win the next rwc. Having said all that, I would still probably watch this

      • November 10th 2017 @ 9:23am
        taylorman said | November 10th 2017 @ 9:23am | ! Report

        …(might be traditional with English based rugby sides perhaps…)

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        November 10th 2017 @ 6:10pm
        Paulo said | November 10th 2017 @ 6:10pm | ! Report

        Theu dont play half under RL rules and half under RU rules. It when you have possesion in your half its RL rules, you have possesion in opposition half its RU rules. So unless ypu score a long range try tou will have to score using RU rules, which given the RU breakdowns would be in play, hard to see RL boys holding possesion for long.

    • Roar Guru

      November 10th 2017 @ 4:50am
      Harry Jones said | November 10th 2017 @ 4:50am | ! Report

      Without real set pieces, seems like League would have the edge?

      • Roar Guru

        November 10th 2017 @ 3:46pm
        Ralph said | November 10th 2017 @ 3:46pm | ! Report

        But also two men short or a rugby team..?

    • Roar Guru

      November 10th 2017 @ 5:53am
      taylorman said | November 10th 2017 @ 5:53am | ! Report

      Not interested. I like both sports but im tired of these profit induced notions ruining the fundamentals of our game.
      Go join squash and ping pong and get a thrill outta that.

      • November 10th 2017 @ 6:04am
        Londoner said | November 10th 2017 @ 6:04am | ! Report

        I would love to see Kangaroos v ABs. Issue is the breakdown and set piece are such a big part of Union that how do you get League Players to play this without some huge disadvantage? Its almost impossible to see how the Union team won’t dominate at these aspects.

        For the other side, the sheer pace of League and unrelenting nature of the hit up mean the game is played at a far faster pace. Ive seen League games where each side reels off 2 sets each ball in play all the time. Union doesn’t have that.

        To make these games work you would need a composite ABs/Kiwis and WBs/Kangaroos team so to even out the skill disparity between positions.

        Prehaps a 10s tournament under mixed rules is the best option to see a decent contest.

        • November 10th 2017 @ 3:49pm
          Jacko said | November 10th 2017 @ 3:49pm | ! Report

          Ive seen League games where each side reels off 2 sets each ball in play all the time. Union doesn’t have that.

          So you have never seen 20 phases??? Was the ball contestable AT ALL in those 2 sets from each side? League has changed so much in the last ten years so now the Ball is very rarely in contest anymore. Tackles???? Cant contest the ball as there is pretty much 2 in every tackle…Kicks??? Cant get there to contest as there are too many blockers….So when is the ball contestable in League?

          • Roar Guru

            November 10th 2017 @ 3:54pm
            Ralph said | November 10th 2017 @ 3:54pm | ! Report

            Oh no, we don’t want a competition – might get drawn into a rugby match ..

        • November 15th 2017 @ 1:04pm
          JP said | November 15th 2017 @ 1:04pm | ! Report

          I think the fatty rugger props would struggle to get back the 10 meteres every 6 tackle set on defence.Also can you imagine TinyTom Robertson asked to do 2 hit ups in a set ?? .hehe. Also Ned ” FLANDERS”.Hanigan would be carted off in the first carry,If he did do any carries that is.

      • November 10th 2017 @ 10:43am
        Muzzo said | November 10th 2017 @ 10:43am | ! Report

        Totally agree T/man

    • Roar Guru

      November 10th 2017 @ 5:59am
      Who Needs Melon said | November 10th 2017 @ 5:59am | ! Report

      I wouldn’t.

    • November 10th 2017 @ 6:07am
      garth said | November 10th 2017 @ 6:07am | ! Report

      Perhaps the Kangaroos should play the Wallabies as this just seems to be an attempt at a cash grab.

      From memory, this sort of thing was tried in England during the mid-90s. The league team (Wigan) won round one easily under league rules and superior fitness levels. They were, after all, fully professional athletes.

      Round two went to the rugby team (Bath) by a similar margin under rugby rules, although the leagies superior fitness enabled them to stay closer for longer. The difference in fitness levels was because rugby had only just stopped being amateur.

      These days fitness would possibly favour the union side, as they don’t have the interchange system and have to remain on field for longer.

      • November 10th 2017 @ 6:24am
        soapit said | November 10th 2017 @ 6:24am | ! Report

        they werent similar margins but yes bath were amateur at the time, wigan won 82-6 and bath won 44-19.

        sale won a 2 half game on goal kicking in 2003 apparently (same tries for each team)

        • November 10th 2017 @ 6:33am
          riddler said | November 10th 2017 @ 6:33am | ! Report

          was at the twickers game in 96.. inga the winger and andy farrell if memory serves me right turned out for wigan as did jason robinson who then went on to bath for a season and then league and then sale and england..

          not much of a game and there is a reason why it hasn’t been done since..

          twickers was good for some beers and banter as per usual but wasn’t anything like a five nations game nor international nor even the oxford/cambridge game for atmosphere..

          • November 10th 2017 @ 6:24pm
            soapit said | November 10th 2017 @ 6:24pm | ! Report

            yeah but neither farrell or robinson were ex union players by that point so no much of an advantage (not sure if that was what youmeant)

        • November 10th 2017 @ 8:10am
          Jerry said | November 10th 2017 @ 8:10am | ! Report


          Edit – that’s a general comment, not meant to be a reply or comment on Soapit’s post.

          • November 10th 2017 @ 2:08pm
            soapit said | November 10th 2017 @ 2:08pm | ! Report

            no worries jerry, took it that way even before the explanation.

      • November 10th 2017 @ 10:21am
        Mackenzie said | November 10th 2017 @ 10:21am | ! Report

        You omit to mention that Wigan stacked their return game with league players who were previous union men. Bath did not have that option when the league game was played having nil experience in the 13 aside game.

        • November 10th 2017 @ 6:02pm
          soapit said | November 10th 2017 @ 6:02pm | ! Report

          by stacked who do you mean? thought there was a couple of backs. thats why i didnt mention it as the fact bath were amateur seemed much more impactful than wigan having a couple of outside backs with union experience.

          i also didnt mention wigan entered and won the middlesex 7’s comp in between the 2 matches.

          • November 10th 2017 @ 10:54pm
            ClarkeG said | November 10th 2017 @ 10:54pm | ! Report

            Stacked no…but they did have 3 quite handy players with rugby union experience … Tuigamala, Quinnell, Tatupu.

            • November 10th 2017 @ 11:10pm
              soapit said | November 10th 2017 @ 11:10pm | ! Report

              cheers, wont speculate on what precise difference those 3 made.

            • November 10th 2017 @ 11:33pm
              nerval said | November 10th 2017 @ 11:33pm | ! Report

              In the Middlesex Sevens, Quinnell and Tatupu were invisible when they weren’t hopeless. They didn’t feature in the final v Wasps. Neither did Wigan’s best player, Henry Paul, who was injured after the first two games.

              Paul was later voted the player of the tournament at the Hong Kong Sevens – outplaying the legendary Serevi in the final.

              • November 17th 2017 @ 7:02pm
                ClarkeG said | November 17th 2017 @ 7:02pm | ! Report

                Interesting but not sure what the Middlesex 7s and the HK 7s has to do with the Bath Wigan match.

                I’m not sure Tatupu even appeared in the 7s.

                And I’m pretty sure Quinell appeared in the final so yes he did seem invisible to you. You probably missed him because he didn’t score a length of the field runaway try.