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    Ireland have built on last year’s successful November series against the best of the southern hemisphere by recording their biggest-ever victory over a dreadful South Africa side in a 38-3 hammering at Dublin’s Aviva Stadium.

    The hosts, who beat New Zealand for the first time a year ago, got on top up front in the first half as Johnny Sexton kicked three penalties and winger Andrew Conway touched down for a 14-0 halftime lead.

    South Africa looked more like the team beaten 57-0 by New Zealand in September than the one that lost by a point to the world champions last month and late tries from Rhys Ruddock, Rob Herring and Jacob Stockdale completed their wretched evening.

    Springboks flanker Francois Louw admitted the loss among South Africa’s worst-ever defeats.

    “It’s pretty much up there with the worst. We have not done what we wanted to achieve today,” he told Sky Sports.

    “We were chasing the game early on, a bit of ill-discipline put the Irish on the scoreboard and to be fair to them, they took massive advantage of that.

    “You don’t want to be chasing games like this. They were good tactically, they definitely kept us on the pump and got the result.

    “In these conditions, the ball is going to be a bit slippery, and as an alternative it turned into a kick-chase kind of game.”

    Ireland will expect to make it a clean sweep with Tests against Fiji and Argentina ahead, while South Africa will look to start again against France next week before travelling to Italy and Wales.

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    • Roar Guru

      November 12th 2017 @ 12:39pm
      Derm McCrum said | November 12th 2017 @ 12:39pm | ! Report

      Good outing by the Ireland boys. 4 tries and more new caps bedded in. Keep it trucking.

      • November 12th 2017 @ 1:36pm
        rebel said | November 12th 2017 @ 1:36pm | ! Report

        Very impressive. Ireland made SA look poor.

      • November 12th 2017 @ 8:28pm
        Pinetree said | November 12th 2017 @ 8:28pm | ! Report

        Poth Ale – Bundee Aki had an excellent game at 12 on debut. What is up with Ireland’s kit being almost identical to the Springboks? Must of been confusing for the crowd at the game lol. Congratulations on another great victory for Ireland over a “big” SH team. Sexton must be getting pretty use to it with his time in the Lions as well 🙂

        SA very poor in contrast though, and they will be bitterly disappointed with the way they played.

        • November 12th 2017 @ 8:42pm
          Bakkies said | November 12th 2017 @ 8:42pm | ! Report

          It was a joke put out by Canterbury. There was an away jersey put out last year that wasn’t worn and yet they changed it this year. The worst one they put was the black away jersey.

        • Roar Guru

          November 13th 2017 @ 12:06am
          Derm McCrum said | November 13th 2017 @ 12:06am | ! Report

          Thanks Pinetree.

          Aki had a good game and got a great reception from the crowd after all the reported negative commentary in the build up during the week. Another good option for midfield. When Ringrose returns from injury, and hopefully McCloskey and Chris Farrell get a run in the next couple of tests, it should give Schmidt & Co a nice selection headache.

          I think the fact that Stockdale and Conway performed so well is actually the better news from the game in giving Ireland new options in the back three.

          I read a few comments on the ‘asphalt grey’ alternate Ireland jersey but I had no problem seeing which team was which.

          On the another win against big SH team, I like to remind myself of what Ireland were like before they got professional in 2000. They had a win rate of less than 30% during the nineties, losing to all and sundry. Up to end of 2003/2004 season, they played 16 matches against the Boks and won once. Since then, they’ve played 10 matches and won 6. It’s quite a contrast. And not all to do with South Africa being poor on the day. So on to the next test and let’s see how we do.

          • November 13th 2017 @ 12:18am
            Pinetree said | November 13th 2017 @ 12:18am | ! Report

            Poth Ale – The whole backline is really coming together for Ireland, and the further development of the back 3 just reinforces this. Murray and Sexton have to be the best halves going at the moment, and great teams are built off this. Because Ireland have been so strong in the breakdown/rucks/contesting ball as well, is making them very formidable.

            My eyes must be diminishing with age, as the jerseys looked real similar to me lol.

            I was not meaning to downplay Ireland by the performance of the Boks, but as a neutral, they did not help themselves much in winning either, and with Ireland on fire, they were thumped.

            I genuinely hope Ireland continue their awesome run, and consistency will be their main goal at the moment, as well as winning big matches in the RWC.

    • Roar Guru

      November 12th 2017 @ 3:29pm
      Charging Rhino said | November 12th 2017 @ 3:29pm | ! Report

      It‘s just embarrassing now. I won’t even bother to watch my recording of the game.

      The once (for a very very very long time) mighty Springboks…. and now this.

      Ireland are a very good team, and all credit to them they have created that and have an excellent well coached squad.

      But the expectation is that regardless of how good the opposition is, the Boks should always be better, while they may lose one or two very close games. That was even true with how South Africa saw the All Blacks in the past, and only 21 years ago did NZ eclipse SA in the head to head stats. Now Ireland are beating the Boks on a consistent basis!?

      And not just winning a close contest, but this kind of thrashing from Ireland is just more than disappointing and frustrating!!

      Structural changes are needed asap.

      • November 12th 2017 @ 3:39pm
        Cuw said | November 12th 2017 @ 3:39pm | ! Report

        @ Charging Rhino

        do u have any idea why these matches are scheduled to overlap?

        i mean there is a day called SUNDAY and there are no matches !!!

        while Scotland v Samoa , England v Argentina, Australia v Wales and Ireland V South Africa were overlapping each other.


        dont these idiots who go aroung spreading the gospel, dont want us to watch ?

        or do they assume the people who watch on telly shud only watch the match of the country they have an affiliation with and eff the rest of the people??

        this is rubbish. i missed the Ireland match coz the other guys wanted to watch Wales match …. 🙁

        • November 12th 2017 @ 8:14pm
          Bakkies said | November 12th 2017 @ 8:14pm | ! Report

          Cuw, two reasons firstly apart from SA and Argentina the away teams will have games televised in poor early hours on a Monday morning. Sunday matches are also inconvenient for fans trying to travel internally to matches from outside of the host cities.

          The other is it there are no live Football matches broadcast in the UK between 2:45 pm and 5:15 pm on a Saturday (hence the common early kickoffs just after 12 in the afternoon) afternoon so it is a good time to televise Rugby matches.

      • Roar Guru

        November 13th 2017 @ 12:31am
        Corne Van Vuuren said | November 13th 2017 @ 12:31am | ! Report

        It isn’t embarressing anymore Rhino, this is South African rugby now, I choose not to support South African sport anymore , simply because it is no longer about appointing and selecting the best.

        I said this numerous times now, our sport is no longer about anything but participation and mediocrity.

        Why get embarressed?

        • November 13th 2017 @ 5:37am
          Justin said | November 13th 2017 @ 5:37am | ! Report

          Everyone was terrible, can’t blame quotas…

          • November 13th 2017 @ 6:54am
            Redsfan1 said | November 13th 2017 @ 6:54am | ! Report

            “can’t blame quotas”, um when players picked aren’t the best in their position then yes you can blame quotas. That’s what is happening.

            • November 13th 2017 @ 7:54pm
              Justin said | November 13th 2017 @ 7:54pm | ! Report

              Poor white, black and coloured players are being selected

          • November 13th 2017 @ 12:59pm
            Ex force fan said | November 13th 2017 @ 12:59pm | ! Report

            Justin. It is no coincidence that the Boks played better when they have less quotas e.g. last All Black test and worst if they have more quotas eg 1st All Black test and Ireland test. Also it is no coincidence that the least transformed Super team made the final in the last two years. Quotas are not the only thing that is hampers Bok rugby but is definitely one of the elements that explains the poor performance of coachesand players. Until the Boks just pick the best they will continue to struggle.

            • November 13th 2017 @ 7:53pm
              Justin said | November 13th 2017 @ 7:53pm | ! Report

              Jesse Kriel and Ross Cronje were probably the worst two players on the pitch…
              Maybe the coach is a quota? But really I don’t see how you can say we are picking non-white players over white players. We are simply picking poor players of all colours…
              Would Andries Coetzee, Kriel or Cronje make any other international side?

              • November 15th 2017 @ 7:12am
                USrugger said | November 15th 2017 @ 7:12am | ! Report


                Does the selection of quotas have an impact? Yes, but I do not think it is the cause of SAfrica’s decline. Other factors are at play, starting with skill sets of both coaches & players (both have responsibility!). Then there is the weak Rand driving top professionals out of the country. The denigration of the Bok symbol also plays a role.

                (The Quota issue is a double-edged sword. Rugby transformation could be SA rugby’s biggest asset. What other country ‘found’ a population of some 40 million potential additional adherents?)

                This weekend, I look forward to seeing how good this Irish team is…or isn’t…

    • Roar Guru

      November 12th 2017 @ 5:15pm
      Harry Jones said | November 12th 2017 @ 5:15pm | ! Report

      Horror show: but good on Ireland…

      • November 13th 2017 @ 8:32am
        Sean said | November 13th 2017 @ 8:32am | ! Report

        Harry what do you make of O’Keeffe persistently penalising us at the breakdown? Thought he was extremely bias and never penalizing the Irish when their player went over the ball and not supporting his own body weight. Hands in the rucks same situation and numerous occasions mind you and the scrums where the Irish loosehead scrummed inwards and Beast getting penalized. Whiny Barnes looks at it,sees what’s happening and then nothing from him.Think it took us about 4 scrums penalties later to only realised what they were doing.

        • November 13th 2017 @ 8:45am
          Fionn said | November 13th 2017 @ 8:45am | ! Report

          To be honest, Sean, nothing meant by this, but I find it quite funny hearing someone named Sean referring to South Africa as ‘we’ when playing against Ireland 😛

          • November 13th 2017 @ 12:24pm
            Sean said | November 13th 2017 @ 12:24pm | ! Report

            Yes Fionn I’m a Saffa with an Irish name ?and there are many in South Africa with this name that has no relation to Ireland whatsoever. Must say it’s the 1st time I came across someone with your name,never heard your name until I saw it on here, just thought I’d mention that?

        • Roar Guru

          November 13th 2017 @ 8:42pm
          Harry Jones said | November 13th 2017 @ 8:42pm | ! Report

          I thought O’Keeffe was ok judging the breakdown (Kolisi isn’t a Test opensider), but I agree the scrums seemed like a lottery and not necessarily a fair one. Still, we won enough ball, got into the right positions; so for me, this is primarily a poor backline issue. As Biltongbek asked before the game: with Serfontein out, which of our starting backline could crack any other top eight team? Insipid attack. Terrible midfield; weak halfbacks, tiny wings, mediocre 15.

    • November 12th 2017 @ 7:21pm
      Redsfan1 said | November 12th 2017 @ 7:21pm | ! Report

      The worst Springboks team ever. Easily.

      • November 12th 2017 @ 8:26pm
        Bakkies said | November 12th 2017 @ 8:26pm | ! Report

        Straueli’s side was.Throw in Kamp Staaldraad as a bonding exercise which destroyed morale.

        • November 12th 2017 @ 9:15pm
          Suzy Poison said | November 12th 2017 @ 9:15pm | ! Report

          Close second to Straueli’s lot.
          Actually I hope we lose to Italy. Maybe that will make the Administrators realise they could lose their jobs too.
          We all know there are better coaches available and better players too.

          • November 12th 2017 @ 9:34pm
            Fionn said | November 12th 2017 @ 9:34pm | ! Report

            Yep. I wonder how many of the current crop would actually make a side selected by Jake White or even Ackermann.

            More to the point, how much better would Ackermann or White have them playing?

            Seeing the Boks like this makes me sad.

            • November 12th 2017 @ 11:30pm
              HenryHoneyBalls said | November 12th 2017 @ 11:30pm | ! Report

              Jake Whites boks also got hammered in Dublin.

              • November 12th 2017 @ 11:56pm
                Pinetree said | November 12th 2017 @ 11:56pm | ! Report

                The Boks did get beaten by Ireland 32-15 in 2006, but White did play a very experimental team to build depth for the 2007 RWC, and Ireland played their best side possible.

                Also White was not under the same pressure as AC of having the worst year ever in SB history the previous year, with record losses against Argentina, Wales and Italy, as well as this year with the record loss to the AB’s.

                You would think that with the SB only beating France and Argentina this year so far, and the tragic season of last year, the AC would be desperate for a good performance, yet he went down 38-3.

                You could pick on any coach for an isolated poor match, but when it becomes a string of matches, including record losses, and you still can’t motivate your team?

                White would of been lucky to make a year coaching the SB if he suffered the same results as AC.

                I just hope they haven’t scared Ackermann away from wanting the SB job in the future with the crazy politics that go on, because that would be sad.

              • November 13th 2017 @ 12:02am
                Pinetree said | November 13th 2017 @ 12:02am | ! Report

                Also, it is fair to say that there is a difference in losing by 17 points, and 35 points…

              • November 13th 2017 @ 8:09pm
                HenryHoneyBalls said | November 13th 2017 @ 8:09pm | ! Report

                The SA side still had quite a few top players such as Juan Smith, Spies, Jean DeVilliers, Francois Steyn, John Smit, Januarie and a few others.

                Also Jake White did claim before the game that no Ireland player would even make his squad except maybe BOD. I was at both games and strange as it may seem Ireland in ’06 were more dominant for most of the game. The scoreboard flattered SA that day and it probably flattered Ireland on Saturday.

          • November 13th 2017 @ 3:23am
            Bakkies said | November 13th 2017 @ 3:23am | ! Report

            ‘The Boks did get beaten by Ireland 32-15 in 2006, but White did play a very experimental team to build depth for the 2007 RWC, and Ireland played their best side possible.’

            Yes Ireland did pick the best possible side but the weather was biblical and depth was far narrower.

            The side that Ireland put out this time included three wingers with limited test experience, Schmidt could afford to drop Jack McGrath on performance back in 2006 O’Sullivan picked props due to the fact that there was no one else, Ultan Dillane couldn’t get on the bench due to the emergence of James Ryan who is just out of the under 20s, there weren’t many options at 9 in 2006 Schmidt has at least 4 of them (his son Tim is pretty handy and he can’t get in to the Leinster set up) and the options at 13 were limited after O’Driscoll (Trimble played games early on his career at 13).

            Schmidt set out his mandate of having depth in each position which he has achieved in spades. Last time SA were in Dublin Ruddock and Chris Henry covered openside when O’Brien was out injured and starred. To build his depth Schmidt has been aided by stronger under 20s sides, academies that are producing quality players (academies that upped their games under Australian coaches), players playing in Ireland which helps their conditioning and IRFU programs are working.

            As for the Boks apart from quotas the head coach can’t be helped by Bok central contracts. The union has to justify paying these contracts so certain players are guaranteed selection despite performance.

            Said it a while back that the Lions players don’t work with this Boks attacking set up. The pod set up is different as it more similar to what Cheika uses. With the Boks there aren’t back rowers running wide on both sides of the pitch. Whiteley and Jaco Kriel are big losses as they could adapt to the set up that Franco Smith is using. The Lions have that to support in terms of continuity, running in to space which is created by the inside backs who are set up to run straight with the four forwards in the middle to support and make decisions if they get the ball. They create so many holes the middle as they have an inside centre that runs straight going forward and have forward supporters that can take an offload in support to run at a fractured defence rather than a brick wall.

            When the Boks went wide against Ireland and has been happening since the French series (the Boks ran a lot straighter in that series and played with more pace) is that they aren’t committing players when they have the numbers so the run sideways running out of space.

    • November 12th 2017 @ 7:34pm
      splinter said | November 12th 2017 @ 7:34pm | ! Report

      Anybody for a bet we could lose against Italy as Brendan Venter is contracted to them.Big men are gutless overweight so Stander was deemed to small to play for the Boks.It is not the Boks that lost but WP, KItshof Mbonambi Louw Etsebeth Kolisi PSDT Louw Allende{Ellende] Leyds.The famous Words It is business as usual from the WP. Please take the Springbok emblem away and call them the Proteas as AC and his team is a disgrace to Springbok rugby.

      • November 12th 2017 @ 8:44pm
        Bakkies said | November 12th 2017 @ 8:44pm | ! Report

        Henderson running over Etzebeth was a sight to see.

      • November 13th 2017 @ 8:43pm
        pim said | November 13th 2017 @ 8:43pm | ! Report

        You mentioned the name Brendan (Mercenary) Venter . If my memory serves me correctly when Alistair Coetrzee was given a lifeline to coach another year by giving him top support assistants aka Brendan & Franco….not to mention Mathew Proudfoot. Well……helluva good that did so far…!
        Sadly I really do believe we do not possess world class coaches in South Africa. …..for that matter neither do we have world class rugby selectors(for that matter every sport played in SA has to contend with a political selection infuence apart from soccer ….just sad they are ranked 77th in the world in 2017..)

    • November 12th 2017 @ 10:02pm
      Fitzy said | November 12th 2017 @ 10:02pm | ! Report

      The once we’re warriors are now politicians, can the saffas not find a better govnor. At this rate the boks won’t qualify for 2023 RWC.

      • Roar Rookie

        November 14th 2017 @ 1:23am
        ChrisG said | November 14th 2017 @ 1:23am | ! Report

        Based on England’s effort in 2015 not qualifying for your own RWC maybe the standard from now on.

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