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    The results are in! Yesterday we asked you to help us rate the performance of our Wallabies in their match against Wales. We’ve crunched the numbers and have all the results below.

    Will Genia’s return to the Wallabies side couldn’t have gone better – he was a clear best on ground in the eight-point win over Wales, and picked up a most common rating of 9 and average rating of 8.43 this week, head and shoulders above the rest of the team.

    At the other end of the scale, Ned Hanigan continues to get no love, no love at all with an average rating of 4.75 this week, the lowest in the team. At this stage, we expect he could cure cancer next week and still be rated worst on ground.

    On the bench, Karmichael Hunt was the eyecatcher, with a 6.08 average – better than we usually see from the replacements. Perhaps it’ll prove to be the precursor to a spot in the starters against England next week.

    Check out the full results below and let us know what you thinking in the comments.

    1. Scott Sio
    Average rating: 5.71
    Most common rating: 6 (36 per cent)

    2. Tatafu Polota-Nau
    Average rating: 7.44
    Most common rating: 8 (39 per cent)

    3. Sekope Kepu
    Average rating: 6.23
    Most common rating: 6 (32 per cent)

    4. Rob Simmons
    Average rating: 5.20
    Most common rating: 5 (38 per cent)

    5. Adam Coleman
    Average rating: 6.57
    Most common rating: 6 (33 per cent)

    6. Ned Hanigan
    Average rating: 4.75
    Most common rating: 5 (29 per cent)

    7. Michael Hooper
    Average rating: 6.52
    Most common rating: 7 (38 per cent)

    8. Sean McMahon
    Average rating: 6.55
    Most common rating: 7 (35 per cent)

    9. Will Genia
    Average rating: 8.43
    Most common rating: 9 (44 per cent)

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    10. Bernard Foley
    Average rating: 6.22
    Most common rating: 7 (26 per cent)

    11. Reece Hodge
    Average rating: 6.73
    Most common rating: 6 (40 per cent)

    12. Samu Kerevi
    Average rating: 5.33
    Most common rating: 6 (37 per cent)

    13. Tevita Kuridrani
    Average rating: 6.33
    Most common rating: 6 (36 per cent)

    14. Marika Koroibete
    Average rating: 6.56
    Most common rating: 7 (39 per cent)

    15. Kurtley Beale
    Average rating: 7.19
    Most common rating: 7 (30 per cent)

    16. Stephen Moore
    Average rating: 5.06
    Most common rating: 5 (38 per cent)

    17. Tom Robertson
    Average rating: 4.32
    Most common rating: 5 (28 per cent)

    18. Allan Alaalatoa
    Average rating: 5.10
    Most common rating: 5 (50 per cent)

    19. Matt Phillip
    Average rating: 5.51
    Most common rating: 5 (42 per cent)

    20. Ben McCalman
    Average rating: 5.69
    Most common rating: 6 (41 per cent)

    21. Nick Phipps
    NA

    22. Karmichael Hunt
    Average rating: 6.08
    Most common rating: 6 (32 per cent)

    23. Henry Speight
    NA

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    • Columnist

      November 13th 2017 @ 11:40am
      Brett McKay said | November 13th 2017 @ 11:40am | ! Report

      At least this time around there’s no huge discrepancy between average and most common ratings…

      • November 13th 2017 @ 12:33pm
        Reverse Wheel said | November 13th 2017 @ 12:33pm | ! Report

        Can we just set it up to automatically add 2 to Robertson, Hanigan and Phipps so that we get something semi-reasonable?

        • November 13th 2017 @ 1:12pm
          Jameswm said | November 13th 2017 @ 1:12pm | ! Report

          Hanigan got 4.7. He was often outmuscled. It is a fair score.

          • November 13th 2017 @ 1:18pm
            Reverse Wheel said | November 13th 2017 @ 1:18pm | ! Report

            Yeah nah it isn’t.

            • November 13th 2017 @ 1:49pm
              Hello said | November 13th 2017 @ 1:49pm | ! Report

              Yes it is.
              Do you honestly believe that he had as good a game as Hooper and better game then coleman and deserved a 6.5/7

              • November 13th 2017 @ 9:56pm
                Reverse Wheel said | November 13th 2017 @ 9:56pm | ! Report

                I’d say a 6. Hooper did get binned.

              • November 14th 2017 @ 9:09pm
                Gaz said | November 14th 2017 @ 9:09pm | ! Report

                Not having an out and out fetcher cost us many penalties at the breakdown, almost cost us the match, re the Hooper YC. Jones will have noticed. What will it cost this weekend?

                Where’s The button to rate Cheika?

          • Roar Guru

            November 13th 2017 @ 3:24pm
            jeznez said | November 13th 2017 @ 3:24pm | ! Report

            I think that is pretty fair. Is the best I’ve seen him play at any level.

            Two very good cover tackles, no bad misses in defence, solid at lineout and made a couple of decent clean outs (more than I’ve seen him make previously) but mostly was plagued by the same issues where he is generally not strong enough in contact at the clean out or carry and scrummages very weekly. His props perform better when Hooper is behind them which is a pretty glaring indictment.

            I feel for the guy, he has some great building blocks with his effort and the attitude he displays. Just a shame he is being forced by the selectors to develop in the role when there are seemingly stronger options to be tried.

            • November 13th 2017 @ 3:30pm
              Fionn said | November 13th 2017 @ 3:30pm | ! Report

              I feel bad for criticising him every week as he has a great attitude of trying to get stuck in there, he just isn’t up to it. He doesn’t have the impact or strength.

              Maybe he will develop it one day, but he doesn’t have it yet and he isn’t going to be able to develop it, he has proved that throughout 2017.

              If we want to get serious about challenging England for number 2, and our overall goal should be to try and challenge England and even the All Blacks if we can, then we need to get ruthless in terms of cutting proven chronic under-performers at Test level, and starting with Hanigan. Moore also, I don’t understand the point of at this point.

              • November 14th 2017 @ 12:32am
                Sgt Pepperoni said | November 14th 2017 @ 12:32am | ! Report

                Hannigan played with intensity and competed well at the lineout- an area of improvement for the wallabies. Unfortunately he was rag-dolled in contact. Against a big England pack that will not end well

                Moore came on and gave a master class in game management with a player in the bin and back to the wall. That’s the reason you need old heads up front in the nh

            • November 13th 2017 @ 7:06pm
              Dave_S said | November 13th 2017 @ 7:06pm | ! Report

              Good post jeznez. You are regularly one of the more reasonable voices on these boards.

              • Roar Guru

                November 14th 2017 @ 12:15am
                jeznez said | November 14th 2017 @ 12:15am | ! Report

                Thanks mate – very kind of you to say

      • November 13th 2017 @ 7:01pm
        Dave_S said | November 13th 2017 @ 7:01pm | ! Report

        Brett, interesting tho that 1/3rd of punters pick the same rating for SK and TK (6) and yet there is a whole point difference in their averages (5.33 and 6.33, respectively). Reflects what I saw in the posts: considerable divergence on their relative contributions. The “haters” went for SK, this time.

    • November 13th 2017 @ 1:19pm
      Gepetto said | November 13th 2017 @ 1:19pm | ! Report

      I am pleasantly surprised that Hannigan looks less lost out there. He seemed to be doing a lot of effective work and is uninjured. I cannot understand the high ratings for crash-test-dummy K. Hunt. Take a look at Chris Sautia these days – strength in contact and off-loading the ball. CFS is the man for Japan.

    • November 13th 2017 @ 4:18pm
      Rugnut said | November 13th 2017 @ 4:18pm | ! Report

      Gee whiz there is an anti Simmons smell in the air. I though he played well enough to get a 7. He is not a star player like Hooper or Coleman…he’s one of those honest hard working forwards that continually does the hard yards with little attention. Even Kerevi rated higher.

      Outside the one try (luck) what did Beale do all game. He continually falls off tackles. He is not safe under the high ball.

      • November 13th 2017 @ 5:32pm
        Reverse Wheel said | November 13th 2017 @ 5:32pm | ! Report

        In the end, we’re all susceptible to confirmation bias. We expect someone to be of a certain standard (good or bad) and every time they do something in line with that expectation we take it as proof of our view, and we subconsciously filter out the stuff that doesn’t align. Prime example was Phipps last week, who I specifically went back and re-watched. He has a very strong game, yet he got a 4.something on the roar.

        • November 13th 2017 @ 7:07pm
          Fionn said | November 13th 2017 @ 7:07pm | ! Report

          Based on his turnovers and tackles according to the analaysis on GAGR he did not have a strong game.

          I think he had an adequate one. A 6 or so would have been reflective.

          • November 13th 2017 @ 7:33pm
            Reverse Wheel said | November 13th 2017 @ 7:33pm | ! Report

            I’m basing it on actually watching him. Sick of people trotting out stats as if they prove something. I can find a stat to prove whatever point I want to make, stats aren’t neutral.

            • November 13th 2017 @ 9:45pm
              Fionn said | November 13th 2017 @ 9:45pm | ! Report

              I’ll agree with that about stats in isolation being misleading, but the stats were reflective of what I saw. Middling match against a poor Japanese side. He made some terrible errors in the first half, fixed it up after then and no brain explorations, but his passes were, as usual, very quick but behind the man as often as in front.

              Biggest problem is that Cheika doesn’t trust him, which is why Genia always plays so many minutes. And if Cheika doesn’t him after 60+ Tests he never will.

              • November 13th 2017 @ 10:02pm
                Reverse Wheel said | November 13th 2017 @ 10:02pm | ! Report

                He knocked the ball on in the first couple of minutes. Kicked one dead when the idea was good but it got a roll on. And missed one open field tackle. That’s it for mistakes. Not a single one of his passes went behind the man, every single one was accurate and fast. I defy you to show me a pass behind the man. And that with s new fly half who was struggling for positioning. He also scored a try and set Simmons up. He recovered some loose balls on the ground. They’re the simple facts.

              • November 13th 2017 @ 10:27pm
                Fionn said | November 13th 2017 @ 10:27pm | ! Report

                ‘Not a single one of his passes went behind the man, every single one was accurate and fast.’

                That’s not true. No one, not even Aaron Smith, has a game where every single pass is accurate and fast.

                Yeah, as you say, made some poor errors at the start and made some good plays also. He also turned the ball over a few times. Overall, a mixed bag in my mind.

        • November 13th 2017 @ 8:31pm
          waxhead said | November 13th 2017 @ 8:31pm | ! Report

          @Reverse –
          You are a prime example of reversing your observation skills on Phipps.
          Who were you watching – the Japanese halfback or the All Blacks game ??

          Phipps made several school boy errors again – passes to nowhere, fumbles, penalties conceded & missed tackles. It was one of his best games ever for the W’s.
          I gave him a 2 🙂

          • November 13th 2017 @ 10:05pm
            Reverse Wheel said | November 13th 2017 @ 10:05pm | ! Report

            You’re 100% deadset wrong. I know this because I went back and watched him. Guarantee you didn’t. My post above to Fionn is what actually happened. Which makes you a prime example of a person who just makes stuff up to suit your purposes.

      • November 13th 2017 @ 6:38pm
        cinque said | November 13th 2017 @ 6:38pm | ! Report

        We judges should deduct a point for each semi-justified penalty.
        Simmons for that off-the-ruck clean-out early on.
        Hanigan got one for not rolling away.
        Sio pinged in 2 scrums, whether or not it was his fault.
        Coleman a couple, Hooper a couple plus the YC.

        I thought the team played okay so started with 6s all round, 8s for TPN & Genia.
        Most of the pack had their 6s downgraded due to indiscretions.

        No real reason to downgrade Robertson, say. Not defending him, but I’m sure he’d scrum better next to TPN.

        • November 13th 2017 @ 7:35pm
          Reverse Wheel said | November 13th 2017 @ 7:35pm | ! Report

          He was on for 13 mins, 10 of which they were scrumming a man down.

    • November 13th 2017 @ 8:24pm
      waxhead said | November 13th 2017 @ 8:24pm | ! Report

      2 worst players voted AGAIN were Hanigan & Robertson.
      Same every game – all of 2017.
      Only reason Phipps did not make the worst 3 again is because he got no run on time.
      Sometimes you get lucky 🙂

      • November 13th 2017 @ 9:55pm
        Reverse Wheel said | November 13th 2017 @ 9:55pm | ! Report

        So you genuinely believe they’ve been the two worst players in every single game? Mmhmm.

      • November 14th 2017 @ 7:58am
        Mikeylives said | November 14th 2017 @ 7:58am | ! Report

        Phipps did play very well against Japan. A lot of our threatening attack was down to his snappy and accurate distribution. However, it’s his decision making under pressure against better teams that keeps him from starting. Genia has been excellent in recent weeks (after one of the worst games I’ve seen him in when the ABs put 50 on us).
        Phipps is also a great defending sub.

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