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Eight grand finals in 16 years: Bellamy aiming for 50 per cent record Roar Guru

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    If champion coach Craig Bellamy guides the Melbourne Storm to another grand final spot in 2018, his record will be an amazing 50 per cent – that’s eight grand finals in only 16 years of coaching – a stunning figure.

    Given that the NRL operate under a salary cap that is supposed to make all teams near equal, and there are 15 other teams, a percentage figure of one from two seems almost impossible. In fact Bellamy’s record from 2006 is even better with seven grand finals from the last 12 seasons, or 58 per cent.

    With the Storm winning this year’s grand final over the Cowboys, all the usual parameters were ticked off.

    As minor premiers, the Storm passed the initial test of finishing in the top three teams. The last 22 winning teams, either NRL or AFL, have finished in the top three teams under the current finals system. Since 2016 the AFL have added a week off for all teams which now eliminates them as the advantage of having a week off is not so pronounced.

    The Storm declined to travel to the UK for the Club Challenge which proved astute as no club has travelled back from the UK and won the premiership this century.

    The Storm was defeated by two points in the 2016 grand final by the Sharks and no team has gone back to back since 1992.

    The Storm was the top team for conceding the least amount of points in the season. The top two defensive teams have a 67 per cent chance of making the grand final and a 75 per cent chance of winning it.

    Since Wayne Bennett’s Broncos ambushed Bellamy’s Storm in 2006, defence has improved markedly in the NRL with the top defensive team going on to become the Premiers 58 per cent of the time. If you include the top three defensive teams, it is 83 per cent.

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    If anyone doubts that Craig Bellamy is not the game’s best coach, then even his harshest critic could not argue that he is the game’s greatest defensive coach. It’s the hallmark to his admirable record, and the catalyst why the market expects him to achieve a lifetime 50 per cent grand final record next season.

    We all love to see tries scored, but they are not as important as saving them – that’s a fact!

    The benchmarks I aim for when assessing teams is their ability to score 22 points, but importantly, they must be able to defend 17 points. Bellamy coached teams can generally defend two opposition tries, or 12 points. (The Sharks were able to kick a penalty goal and win the 2016 grand final 12-14).

    I mentioned earlier that the two top defensive teams have a 67 per cent chance of making the grand final; this figure drops by a half to 33 per cent for the top two offensive teams.

    The top two defensive teams have a 75 per cent chance of being Premiers and this drops to 58 per cent for the top two scoring teams.

    The aim for any coach and his recruitment team should be to field 17 players capable of scoring 22 points or four tries, but it is much more important to not allow the opposition to score more than three tries.

    It is defence that wins grand finals.

    The Canberra Raiders were the number three team in 2017 for points scored, but only 10th for points conceded and they ultimately finished 10th.

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    The Panthers were considered a premiership contender, but were rated 16th for the most missed tackles and faded to finish seventh. It is hard to see any improvement given they have just recruited James Maloney who has missed the most tackles in the NRL in the last decade.

    When looking for next year’s premiership winner, the best lead is the best defensive teams led by the best coaches.

    The Storm will play their Club Challenge match in Melbourne so the travel to the UK factor can be dismissed, but they still have to overcome the hoodoo of back-to-back wins that no team has achieved in 25 years.

    Shoosh, don’t tell Craig Bellamy!

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    • November 16th 2017 @ 6:22am
      Not so super said | November 16th 2017 @ 6:22am | ! Report

      Wasn’t that great when coaching origin against his star players
      He has only won 2 premierships
      You can’t claim all those GF with the organised rort – something he strangely had no knowledge of

      • November 16th 2017 @ 6:45am
        Duncan Smith said | November 16th 2017 @ 6:45am | ! Report

        Came back from salary cap decimation of 2010 and won minor premiership in 2011, then premiership in 2012. That’s the best way to respond to Storm-haters.

        • Roar Guru

          November 16th 2017 @ 7:13am
 said | November 16th 2017 @ 7:13am | ! Report

          HI Duncan,
          He keeps re-inventing himself, like all great coaches.

          • November 17th 2017 @ 7:01pm
            terrence said | November 17th 2017 @ 7:01pm | ! Report

            Scott, why do you keep avoiding the obvious concerns about your poorly written article.

            As you must be obviously aware, the Storm systematic prolonged cheating of the salary cap between 2006-2010 had a big influence in that Storms performance in that period of time, also denying other teams opportunities to be in the semi-finals or win a premiership, as well as their ability to maintain/attract players they otherwise would not have had.

            You should have noted the Storm systematic prolonged cheating of the salary cap between 2006-2010 in your article, for just done Bellamy’s record since 2011. I’m suprised The Roar published it.

            If you can’t handle a little constructive accurate critiquing of your articles, either get them factually correct, or don’t write them.

            Bagging Not So Super for being correct and pointing it out to you make yourself look a little thin-skinned. Not So Super is not a troll, he’s accurate. You weren’t.

        • November 16th 2017 @ 8:29pm
          Not so super said | November 16th 2017 @ 8:29pm | ! Report

          Decimation – you mean losing Greg inglis

          • Roar Rookie

            November 17th 2017 @ 8:04am
            Joe said | November 17th 2017 @ 8:04am | ! Report

            Greg Inglis, Ryan Hoffman, Adam Blair, Aiden Tolman, Brett White, Brett Finch…I’d say that sounds like decimation.

      • Roar Guru

        November 16th 2017 @ 6:49am
        Sleiman Azizi said | November 16th 2017 @ 6:49am | ! Report

        You say he has only won 2 grand finals, implying that he should have won more and then claim a rort…

        Make way, a sharp mind at work here folks.

        • Roar Guru

          November 16th 2017 @ 7:15am
 said | November 16th 2017 @ 7:15am | ! Report

          Just disregard his comments mate, he will be barred soon.
          As a great journo you will know that the trust was on actually making Grand Finals and what it takes to get there.

          • November 17th 2017 @ 7:36am
            Chook said | November 17th 2017 @ 7:36am | ! Report

            Scott, can you tell us why he would be barred

            • November 17th 2017 @ 7:57am
              not so super said | November 17th 2017 @ 7:57am | ! Report

              because i come up with a different opinion to Scott who fawns over someone who somehow had no knowledge of widespread salary cap rorting and failed the only time he coached against his immortals

            • Roar Guru

              November 17th 2017 @ 9:57am
     said | November 17th 2017 @ 9:57am | ! Report

              Hi Chook,
              I welcome objective criticism and varied opinions, and that is what the Roar should be about, but when someone just trolls and only ever says tunneled negatives things which are often without foundation, they do not belong and i certainly do not welcome them.
              It is the editors call and i am sure they are conscious of this troll and they will act accordingly.

        • November 17th 2017 @ 8:01am
          not so super said | November 17th 2017 @ 8:01am | ! Report

          ok Sleiman, let me explain it for you. the author claims he is so great, i claim he has only won legitimate premierships. that is evidence he isnt so great. hope that clears it up for you

      • Roar Guru

        November 16th 2017 @ 7:12am said | November 16th 2017 @ 7:12am | ! Report

        Now I know why everyone calls you the Roar Troll.

        • Roar Guru

          November 16th 2017 @ 8:15am
          BigJ said | November 16th 2017 @ 8:15am | ! Report

          Excellent article Scott, as a Storm supporter there is little doubt that Bellamy is the coach of the 21 st century. His ability to get the best out of his players is astounding. As far as I’m concerned only to goals remain, get back to back in 2018 and best the Broncos in a grand final.

          Not so super, give it up

          • Roar Guru

            November 16th 2017 @ 9:49am
   said | November 16th 2017 @ 9:49am | ! Report

            Thanx mate, that would be nice.

          • Roar Guru

            November 16th 2017 @ 11:19am
            Nat said | November 16th 2017 @ 11:19am | ! Report

            I’ll take the same result as last time they met in a GF BigJ? 🙂

            • Roar Guru

              November 16th 2017 @ 11:24pm
              BigJ said | November 16th 2017 @ 11:24pm | ! Report

              Nope Storm winning by 30 would be better

          • November 16th 2017 @ 8:08pm
            not so super said | November 16th 2017 @ 8:08pm | ! Report

            maybe you are just bitter Big J because the no vote which you said would win, got well beaten

            they are valid points – Bellamy failed at coaching origin against his star players

            • Roar Guru

              November 16th 2017 @ 11:25pm
              BigJ said | November 16th 2017 @ 11:25pm | ! Report

              What has that meant nothing gay marriage vote got to do this??? Idiot!

              • November 17th 2017 @ 7:59am
                not so super said | November 17th 2017 @ 7:59am | ! Report

                you were all telling us that the no vote would win

        • November 16th 2017 @ 8:47am
          BennO said | November 16th 2017 @ 8:47am | ! Report

          I don’t know who this NSS guy is, but two of those premierships were cheated. You just can’t ignore that.

          There’s no question that Bellamy is an outstanding coach, the best there is in my view. He’s definitely overtaken Bennett. But those salary cap rorting years can’t be treated as legit if you’re making a case for him or the Storm. That’s not hating on him or the Storm, it’s treating them honestly.

          • November 16th 2017 @ 9:08am
            Greg Ambrose said | November 16th 2017 @ 9:08am | ! Report

            It’s a pity for everyones sake that the Storm cheated the cap because it could be argued that they would have had great success without doing it. Hanging on to the spine was possible for all these years and they have shown they can mold cheaper players around this frame.

            I do agree however that they need to lie in the bed they created by cheating. An academic studied the coaches a fair while ago and rated Warren Ryan higher than Bennett which surprised him. That was before his stint at the Knights.

            • Roar Guru

              November 16th 2017 @ 10:01am
     said | November 16th 2017 @ 10:01am | ! Report

              Hi Greg,
              An “academic”? OK that fine. I dont have figures on Warren Ryan and I certainly have done done the many hours of video analysis that I have for Bellamy coached teams. I have mates who were coached by Ryan and yes they said he was outstanding, but also added they he had poor communication skills and they didnt like him.
              This is not about comparing other coaches, just simply to point out that if the Storm make the GF next season it will be 8 from 16 for Bellamy. Not bad.

              • November 16th 2017 @ 11:57am
                Greg Ambrose said | November 16th 2017 @ 11:57am | ! Report

                He was a professor but I couldn’t be bothered trying to spell it correctly , so my fault. The same guy did the same on batsmen in cricket. He did very detailed studies and was surprised at some of his own findings. From memory he had Bellamy and Ryan right at the top and Fulton and Bennett at the next level. He considered Bozo underrated. Bozo perhaps has elements of Warren Ryan in his makeup and this I believe distorts the picture.

                Maybe Bellamy’s greatest asset is his skill with people? I don’t know.

          • Roar Guru

            November 16th 2017 @ 9:55am
   said | November 16th 2017 @ 9:55am | ! Report

            It is worth making the point that Third Party deals are the norm with most clubs now. The Storm have won 2 Premierships since those days with little to no TPDs.
            Most pundits do not realise that Craig has established this amazing record and he has NEVER gone to market and bought a high priced starting top 13 rep player. Almost all of his players were “no names” when they came to the club and he has turned them into stars.

            • Roar Guru

              November 16th 2017 @ 10:34am
              Sleiman Azizi said | November 16th 2017 @ 10:34am | ! Report

              No matter what else people think of Bellamy and the salary cap cheating years and, really, anything else, that ability to turn ‘no names’ into a cohesive team is his real claim to fame, me thinks.

              • November 16th 2017 @ 8:19pm
                JVGO said | November 16th 2017 @ 8:19pm | ! Report

                Most premiership teams are just average sides with a couple of legit top rankers that make the difference. Look at Souths when they won the premiership, just an average side with Inglis and Burgess. Keeping the big three together was absolutely critical to his success. Anyone who has ever coached knows it is absolutely about having the best players.

            • November 16th 2017 @ 10:59am
              BennO said | November 16th 2017 @ 10:59am | ! Report

              No question mate, that’s part of why he’s so good. I reckon it’s more important than his premiership successes, in terms of ranking him the best coach going around. It also makes the rorting years all the more disappointing because his coaching skill doesn’t need that kind of unfair assistance. But he got it, so we can’t pretend it wasn’t there when looking over his career and the statistics.

              And to be fair to most pundits, I think they do realise that about him. I’m no more than a casual fan (of another team) and I’m fully aware of it. His skill at developing discards and unknowns and turning them into champions, is legendary.

              • Roar Guru

                November 16th 2017 @ 11:37am
       said | November 16th 2017 @ 11:37am | ! Report

                Thanks mate, well said.

        • November 16th 2017 @ 6:55pm
          terrence said | November 16th 2017 @ 6:55pm | ! Report


          Not sure why you are having a go at Not So Super for pointing out the glaring problem with your article, that the Storm systematic prolonged cheating of the salary cap between 2006-2010 had a big influence in that Storms performance in that period of time, also denying other teams opportunities to be in the semi-finals or win a premiership, as well as their ability to maintain/attract players they otherwise would not have had.

          You should have noted the Storm systematic prolonged cheating of the salary cap between 2006-2010 in your article, for just done Bellamy’s record since 2011. I’m suprised The Roar published it.

          If you can’t handle a little constructive accurate critiquing of your articles, either get them factually correct, or don’t write them.

          Bagging Not So Super for being correct and pointing it out to you make yourself look a little thin-skinned. Not So Super is not a troll, he’s accurate. You weren’t.

    • November 16th 2017 @ 8:13am
      Greg said | November 16th 2017 @ 8:13am | ! Report

      Lets look at Bellamy’s career year by year:

      2003 (Bellamy’s first year) – Storm fined $131K for cheating the salary cap
      2004 – Storm fined $120K for cheating the salary cap
      2005 – Salary cap compliant
      2006 to 2010 – Storm stripped of all achievements for cheating the salary cap
      2011 to 2017 – Salary cap compliant

      So for 7 out of 15 seasons Bellamy has been head coach of a team that has been over the salary cap, that’s a whopping 47% of his whole career! Bellamy will forever hold that record as ‘Most games/seasons as head coach of an illegal team’.

      • November 16th 2017 @ 9:26am
        Peter Phelps said | November 16th 2017 @ 9:26am | ! Report

        Please indicate which NRL teams have never been caught cheating the cap or having been find for doing so.

        I always find it strange that this gets dragged up time and time again when it is getting on for a decade old and yet the Eels salary cap cheating of last year which was greater than the Storm’s cheating and required state government intervention to stop is quietly forgotten.

        Bellamy fully deserves his place in the record books, he is an incredible club coach.

        • Roar Guru

          November 16th 2017 @ 10:07am
 said | November 16th 2017 @ 10:07am | ! Report

          I bet Greg would like Craig Bellamy coaching his club.

        • November 16th 2017 @ 10:56am
          Greg said | November 16th 2017 @ 10:56am | ! Report

          Peter – Yes, all teams have breached the cap at some stage, however the Storm are at the top of the list for the number of times they have done it, and by how much they were over.

          Here is a list of breaches between 2000 and 2010, why it has not been updated since I am not sure however the Storm appear in this list 8 times, and that doesn’t include the scandal from 2006 to 2010. So from 2000 to 2010 the Storm were only under the cap once in the entire decade.

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          November 16th 2017 @ 11:01am
          Wolly said | November 16th 2017 @ 11:01am | ! Report

          The Eels were paying salaries of people players who were no longer at the club.

          Bellamy’s record is outstanding no doubt about it, his achievements, and there are many, truly do speak for themselves. Watching him blowing up in the box is also more entertaining than half the stuff on TV.

          That being said I still hold Bennett in higher regard, he left his beloved Broncos and won a premiership with another club, and also brought an average team to the Prelims, beating both grand finalists of the previous year along the way.

          • Roar Guru

            November 16th 2017 @ 11:34am
   said | November 16th 2017 @ 11:34am | ! Report

            I rate Bennett the 2nd best coach I have studied and rated.
            Bellamy beats him simply because he has never gone to market and purchased high priced players like Bennett has. Everyone of Bellamy’s stars have been “home grown” and most of the time were recruited for under 100k.

            • November 16th 2017 @ 1:55pm
              matth said | November 16th 2017 @ 1:55pm | ! Report

              I give Bennett a higher rating on this scale because since the Superstar years at the Broncos, which ended around 2004 he managed to:
              – win a grand final with Shane Perry as halfback
              – win a minor premiership and grand final with St George by turning Jamie Soward and Ben Hornby into an elite halves combination. the only big name he brought in was Boyd and you have to remember that up to that point Boyd had not even been a regular fullback
              – at the Knights, get to a prelim and beat the previous year’s grand finalists with one of the worst semi final teams in recent memory.

              • Roar Guru

                November 17th 2017 @ 10:46am
                Nat said | November 17th 2017 @ 10:46am | ! Report

                Agree, more for the fact we are comparing a 10yr coach to a 30yr coach. If Bellamy can maintain such a high success rate for 20 more years.

            • November 16th 2017 @ 8:12pm
              not so super said | November 16th 2017 @ 8:12pm | ! Report

              thats because the storm used the cheque book of News limited (then part owners of the game)
              to buy all the top teenagers. this put them massively in debt

        • November 16th 2017 @ 2:47pm
          terrence said | November 16th 2017 @ 2:47pm | ! Report

          Peter, no doubt Bellamy is a good club coach who can certainly get the best out of his players,

          But the reason the Storm systematic prolonged cheating of the salary cap between 2006-2010 gets dragged up time and time again is because it happened, and some article writers don’t acknowledge that this had a big influence in that Storms performance in that period of time, also denying other teams opportunities to be in the semi-finals or win a premiership.

          If authors acknowledged/noted that the Storm systematic prolonged cheating of the salary cap between 2006-2010 and how this effects the thesis they are putting forward, that would make for an article that would be read as accurate, as opposed to the current inaccurate article that is missing a major reason for their success was that they were cheating between 2006-2010. I’m suprised The Roar keeps publishing these factually incorrect articles, it does nothing for the credibility of the site or the authors credibility.

          Yes, other teams have breached the salary cap, in most instances it was a breaches were minor and not planned (too many injuries, etc.) and they were punished as they should be. But breaching is not systematic cheating that the Storm admitted to between 2006-10 (and other clubs have been caught, though they did not win premierships that were stripped).

          I’m also concerned that there are players/coaches/officials still at the Storm who were there during their years of systematic cheating of the salary cap. What did they know?

      • Roar Rookie

        November 16th 2017 @ 4:50pm
        Joe said | November 16th 2017 @ 4:50pm | ! Report

        Bellamy has won back in 7 years everything that he lost in the previous 7 years so basically his record is exactly the same both in the non-compliant and compliant period. 3 minor premiership, 2 major premierships and a World Club championship. In fact if he wins the World Club championship in February they would have earned more than they lost. Surely that proves it wasn’t due to the Salary Cap. Bellamy is just an outstanding coach.

    • November 16th 2017 @ 8:59am
      Greg Ambrose said | November 16th 2017 @ 8:59am | ! Report

      The Panthers were 16th worst for most missed tackles yet they recruit a five eight who has missed more tackles than anyone over the last 10 years. Seems certain that their defence will deteriorate further? It may well do and as a rival fan I hope it does but does history support this logic?

      Maloney has played in three GF’S and won two titles all at different clubs. All three clubs improved their defensive stats massively after Maloneys arrival.

      There appears to be so many factors in winning a title these days and if Bellamy can take the Storm back to back then his legacy will be so much greater.

      Clearly the best defensive teams next year are likely to win the title but who are the best coaches? Is Nathan Brown the worst coach or a victim of his roster? It could be argued that the coach is one of the least important factors. Two coaches who were considered top of the tree in Hasler and Macguire are gone. Barrett at Manly was considered a terrible rookie liability by many but all of a sudden he’s not. I’d say most coaches are rarely as good as they are made out to be and hardly ever as bad. Man management and recruitment seems to be crucial.

      • Roar Guru

        November 16th 2017 @ 10:18am said | November 16th 2017 @ 10:18am | ! Report

        Greg Ambrose,
        Thanks for your input.
        I can only suggest that Player Managers have had a major input into the Panther’s list and who coaches them. Maloney has the highest number of negatives of any 6 or 7 in the NRL in my system. You have to wonder why no club have ever re-signed him! The Sharks have certainly got the better deal in the swap IMO
        Greg, I rate Nathan Brown very highly and fully expected him to win the Spoon in recent years given he chose to clean out the “dead wood” and start from scratch, which was the correct strategy after he inherited a rumble from Wayne Bennett. The Knights will gradually improve each year under Brownie and if he gets Pearce then they become a real factor.

        You are correct with the importance of Recruitment and the Storm have the best in Paul Bunn, but the main barometer that I judge a coach on is how players improve under him and in that regard Bellamy stands alone. He turned “no names’ into rep players on-going.

        • Roar Guru

          November 16th 2017 @ 10:38am
          Sleiman Azizi said | November 16th 2017 @ 10:38am | ! Report

          Nathan Brown turned around the fortunes of Huddersfield in the Super League.

          He is doing the same thing with Newcastle. The players play for each other and step by step he is turning the club into a force.

          As you suggested, substantial change takes time. I wish him all the best.

          • Roar Guru

            November 16th 2017 @ 11:19am
   said | November 16th 2017 @ 11:19am | ! Report

            Sleiman Azizi
            He also went on to win a Premiership after losing his entire spine and had to put together a completely different strategy on the run. The Knights are lucky to have him.

        • November 16th 2017 @ 12:17pm
          Greg Ambrose said | November 16th 2017 @ 12:17pm | ! Report

          Scott , maybe Maloney is a good example of the benefits of looking beyond the raw figures. Has any current player won more titles than Maloney.? Off the top of my head I believe no player has three legitimate tiles to his credit. The Warriors and the Sharks best year ever was with him at 5/8 and he won a title with the Roosters. Remarkable really.

          If Maloney has a similar effect at the Pennies as his last three clubs then he will have an almost unique place in history. ( Almost except the for Brick with Eyes )

          • Roar Rookie

            November 16th 2017 @ 12:47pm
            Bunney said | November 16th 2017 @ 12:47pm | ! Report

            Maloney only has two titles. One at the Roosters, one at Cronulla…

            • November 16th 2017 @ 1:06pm
              Greg Ambrose said | November 16th 2017 @ 1:06pm | ! Report

              But has anyone won three?

              • Roar Guru

                November 16th 2017 @ 11:28pm
                BigJ said | November 16th 2017 @ 11:28pm | ! Report

                Lazarus won five, with three clubs.

              • November 17th 2017 @ 6:49am
                Greg Ambrose said | November 17th 2017 @ 6:49am | ! Report

                Any current player won more than Maloney though? Despite being the worst defender around it doesn’t prove that he has been or will be a poor signing is my point Bigj

          • Roar Guru

            November 16th 2017 @ 2:30pm
   said | November 16th 2017 @ 2:30pm | ! Report

            I am very conscious of Maloney’s resume and I am also an admirer of many parts of his game, but his many negatives that include missed tackles, tackle effectiveness, unforced errors and forced penalties is not what I want when i recruit a team.
            He has been to the Storm, the Warriors, the Roosters, the Sharks and now the Panthers and he is yet to be re-signed by any club.

            • November 16th 2017 @ 6:16pm
              Greg Ambrose said | November 16th 2017 @ 6:16pm | ! Report

              But were you aware that the last three clubs he signed with dramatically improved their defence after he arrived Scott?

          • Roar Guru

            November 16th 2017 @ 11:36pm
            BigJ said | November 16th 2017 @ 11:36pm | ! Report

            Not really, Thruston has won two with different clubs so has SBW. Kevin Walters won one with Raiders and five with Broncos, Luke Lewis has won two as with Chris Flannery (I think that’s his name won with Tigers 05 and sharks) and that’s just of the top of my head. Sounds like another top ten article

    • November 16th 2017 @ 9:45am
      paul said | November 16th 2017 @ 9:45am | ! Report

      If Melbourne’s salary cap cheating in 2006 and 2010 had been found out before the final series, they would have been stripped of all competition points and finished dead last. Bellamy is a good coach, no argument, but would he have been as good if his side played by the salary cap rules? Who’s to say.

      Notice you didn’t mention is track record in SOO. He might be a good club coach but if you want to look at figures, on paper, Laurie Daley is a better SOO coach.

      • Roar Guru

        November 16th 2017 @ 10:26am said | November 16th 2017 @ 10:26am | ! Report

        Since 2006 Bellamy coached teams have made the Grand Final 58% of the time, if that does not impress you that you are either an idiot or have your head in the sand.
        On Origin, it is my view that it is not a coaching job but a “management job”. They players are stars and they do not need to be coached and Mal Meninga, who was a failed NRL coach, has proved that.
        Anyone who compares NRL coaching with Origin does not comprehend the game.
        I have no doubt that Laurie Daley will make a fab NRL coach.

        • Roar Rookie

          November 16th 2017 @ 5:48pm
          Joe said | November 16th 2017 @ 5:48pm | ! Report

          Absolutely right. His record in the compliant years is the same as the non-compliant years. I fully agree rep coaching is more of a management job with a bit of inspirational on the side. Bellamy’s coaching starts in the pre-season with his training regime and discipline. Have a look at Felise Kaufusi, last year barely making 20 mins per game off the bench and occasionally playing QCup. This year an 80 minute player, 18th man Origin (actually think he should have been picked ahead of Glasby) and in the Roos team. Bellamy will build a player from the ground up as he has done with the Big 4 which includes Inglis. Lost Hoffman, Harris steps up, lost Proctor, Green, Koroibete and Kaufusi, Munster and Ado-Carr slot in. Big challenge this year with the loss of Cronk, Harris, Mclean but I’m looking forward to who step up to play Bellamy Ball.

          • Roar Guru

            November 16th 2017 @ 7:17pm
   said | November 16th 2017 @ 7:17pm | ! Report

            Sam Kasiano left the Bulldogs as an over weight uninterested benchy, and I have no doubt that you will see the real big Sam under Craig.

            • Roar Guru

              November 17th 2017 @ 11:00am
              Nat said | November 17th 2017 @ 11:00am | ! Report

              I wonder if that is a fair representation of Bellamy’s skills for Sam. All the Bulldogs were coached away from ability this year. We know what Same can do so I would not call it a transformation as such. Do you say the same for Mary if Graham is 2018 Dally M prop?

      • Roar Guru

        November 16th 2017 @ 10:43am
        Sleiman Azizi said | November 16th 2017 @ 10:43am | ! Report

        Scores and scores of clubs with brilliant rosters have never even made it to a grand final, let alone win one.

        Bellamy cheating to keep his star players actually has no bearing on his ability to form a cohesive team out of the players he does have.

        He has shown, year after year after year that he can mold a cohesive team environment and structure that gets his teams to grand finals more often than not.

        That is pretty remarkable.

        • Roar Guru

          November 16th 2017 @ 11:21am
 said | November 16th 2017 @ 11:21am | ! Report

          You are correct as usual and any thinking person can see that; sadly not all Roarers can think!

          • November 16th 2017 @ 8:33pm
            Not so super said | November 16th 2017 @ 8:33pm | ! Report

            Well we can’t all be as smart as Scott

    • November 16th 2017 @ 10:59am
      Greg said | November 16th 2017 @ 10:59am | ! Report

      The common denominator is Cameron Smith, the best player in the history of the game. He’s made Bellamy look like a great coach, he’s made Mal Meninga look like a great coach, now he’s making Kevin Walters look like a great coach. Until Bellamy proves he can win without Smith in his team then the jury will still be out on whether he is a good coach or a great coach.

      • Roar Guru

        November 16th 2017 @ 11:30am said | November 16th 2017 @ 11:30am | ! Report

        Cam Smith came to the club as a “no name” just like Cronk and Slater and many others including Inglis, Folau, Bromwich, Munster, Chambers, Addo-Carr, Suli V etc etc.
        Smithy will tell you that he would not be the player he is today if not for Bellamy.
        It is easy for cynics to pick out a player, but that is just that – cynical.
        Wayne Bennett has not won a GF since Lockyer, but I still regard him as one of the great modern day coaches.

        • November 16th 2017 @ 12:03pm
          Greg said | November 16th 2017 @ 12:03pm | ! Report

          Every player in the NRL starts off as a no name. Cronk, Inglis, Folau all represented Australia as schoolboys, Bromwich represented NZ as a teenager, so they were already talented players before coming to the Storm. Addo-Carr scored 6 tries in 9 games in his rookie season at the Tigers. Bellamy didn’t even rate Vunivalu and only gave him a start because of injuries. As I said, until Bellamy proves he can win without Smith questions will always be asked, because without Smith in his team Bellamy has a terrible record – a losing city country record (33%), the worst NSW coach in the history of the NRL (22% win rate), the only coach in NRL history to lose 3-0 in an Origin series, the biggest Grand Final loss in over 100 years of Rugby League (40-0) and the only team in NRL history to not score a point in a Grand Final, all because he didn’t have Smith in his team. Bellamy knows it, and will retire the same day as Smith.

          • Roar Guru

            November 16th 2017 @ 12:20pm
   said | November 16th 2017 @ 12:20pm | ! Report

            You have no idea with your facts mate.
            Inglis arrived from country NSW at 17 and Folau was also the same age. They made rep teams after they arrived in Melb. Cronk arrived in Melb as a sometime bench 5/8th with limited skills. Jesse Bromwich did not even play and came down to watch his brother play and was asked if he wanted a run, he had no idea how to tackle but went on to be a great defender and Captain his country.
            You clearly do not like Bellamy and thats ok, but this story was about attaining a 50% record making Grand Finals, not comparing personalities.
            Greg, do me a favour and be negative to your mirror.

            • November 16th 2017 @ 2:10pm
              Greg said | November 16th 2017 @ 2:10pm | ! Report

              Seems you have to check your facts Scott. Inglis played for the Australian schoolboys team BEFORE he was added to the fulltime Storm roster while he was playing for Norths Devils which is the Storm’s feeder club. North’s Devils are located in Brisbane which is over 1,500km’s from Bellamy and the Storm. Folau was playing for Marsden State High School when he was selected in the Australian schoolboys team which is where the Storm spotted him. Jesse Bromwich has played league all his life and made every available rep team in Auckland, to suggest he didn’t know how to tackle takes away all of your credibility Scott.

              I also haven’t mentioned Bellamy’s personality at all, jut presented a few objective facts.

              • Roar Guru

                November 16th 2017 @ 7:30pm
       said | November 16th 2017 @ 7:30pm | ! Report

                You are wrong yet again mate.
                Inglis was recruited by Peter O’Sullivan after watching him play in the bush with GI’s mum. She signed on the spot and Sully rang me to say that he had just signed the next great Kangaroo which was a big statement for a 17yo, but 18 months later he proved to be correct.
                FYI, GI was “rushed” to North Devils by the astute John Ribot (Storm boss) so he could be eligible to play for the Maroons as even though he was a Blue, the silly rule is where you play your first senior footy. That is how NSW lost Greg Inglis.

              • November 17th 2017 @ 11:03am
                Greg said | November 17th 2017 @ 11:03am | ! Report

                GI signed his first professional contract with the Canberra Raiders

          • November 16th 2017 @ 12:46pm
            Greg Ambrose said | November 16th 2017 @ 12:46pm | ! Report

            I’ve long been stunned at the emphasis placed on the value of the coach. If Cameron Smith signed for the Broncos over a decade ago then Bennett would be the undisputed greatest coach of all time.

            If Bennett jumped to the Cowboys in their early years then he would almost for sure be out of a job a long time ago.

            The players deserve just about all the credit in my opinion.

            • November 16th 2017 @ 3:49pm
              Peter Phelps said | November 16th 2017 @ 3:49pm | ! Report

              I beg to differ Greg, I think the coach is hugely influential in the performance of the team.

              Look at Souths before McGuire came or the Dogs prior to Hasler. Bennett turned the Dragons around and won them a premiership. Give me a great coach that players want to play for and I will give you a team that will compete.

              • November 16th 2017 @ 6:31pm
                Greg Ambrose said | November 16th 2017 @ 6:31pm | ! Report

                So Hasler and Mcguire are great coaches but players don’t want to play for them at the moment? Probably indicates that they aren’t great I would think.

              • Roar Guru

                November 16th 2017 @ 7:23pm
       said | November 16th 2017 @ 7:23pm | ! Report

                When I rate I team by far the highest weighted stat or person is the coach. This is not just an opinion I can back it up with years of facts.
                I have never seen the NRL with so many high class coaches as they have now, they just happen be be strong on defence.

            • Roar Guru

              November 16th 2017 @ 7:18pm
     said | November 16th 2017 @ 7:18pm | ! Report

              I would love to be your bookie.

              • November 16th 2017 @ 9:15pm
                Greg Ambrose said | November 16th 2017 @ 9:15pm | ! Report

                I wonder how you rate coaches Scott? Serious question as I really struggle most of the time. I see plenty of highly rated coaches win premierships who then fade into oblivion. Surely Sheens, Ricky Stuart and Hasler for example were highly rated but I don’t believe they and many others have been shown to transfer this high rating into success at other clubs.

                I spent months telling Manly supporters who rated Hasler as better than sliced bread and Barrett as a terrible mistake that they were wasting their time with these conclusions and to stop panicking. History had proven to me that Barretts low rating and Haslers high rating didn’t prove what was about to unfold. I have seen nothing to alter my logic.

              • Roar Guru

                November 18th 2017 @ 10:24am
                Nat said | November 18th 2017 @ 10:24am | ! Report

                How do you come to that conclusion Greg? Hasler is a seasoned coach with GF success at Manly and all but one finals contenders at the Bulldogs. Barrett has potential but Hasler has runs on the board.

          • November 16th 2017 @ 5:39pm
            RandyM said | November 16th 2017 @ 5:39pm | ! Report

            So since you obviously don’t rate Bellamy, who do you think is better excluding Bennett? The Bellamy doubters always point at this record and that record yet they can’t actually name any better coaches in the modern era except for Bennett.

            So who else is there?

            Tim Sheens? – Yeah he’s got some premierships to his name but did nothing at the cowboys and missed the finals most years with the Tigers.
            Gould? – Yes, he was a great coach at club and origin but still couldn’t get his roosters to a grand final with all their leg ups during Super League.
            Chris Anderson? – He was successful with more than 1 club but his last few years at the Sharks and roosters were a joke.
            Brian Smith? no premiership.
            Hasler? He was on his way to being one of the greats but he’s since been dumped by his club after some very lackluster seasons
            Trent Robinson – Has been great so far but only his 4th year in the NRL, too early to judge…

            • November 16th 2017 @ 6:36pm
              Greg Ambrose said | November 16th 2017 @ 6:36pm | ! Report

              Who is it that obviously doesn’t rate Bellamy? Most consider him the best or one of the best ever so I’m not sure who you’re debating with.

              Personally I don’t get too excited about coaches, a vast majority at Manly had Hasler up on a pedestal and Barrett in the gutter but a year later the position is reversed. The ability of a coach as I’ve said is overrated as I’ve said and this is one of many examples. Sheens was rated very highly until he went to an ordinary club and this is very common

            • Roar Guru

              November 16th 2017 @ 7:33pm
     said | November 16th 2017 @ 7:33pm | ! Report

              Who are you saying doesnt rate Bellamy? When you make a statement like that please address the name you are writing to because it certainly cannot be me.

              • November 16th 2017 @ 10:25pm
                RandyM said | November 16th 2017 @ 10:25pm | ! Report

                Sorry Scott, it was directed at Greg

    • Roar Guru

      November 16th 2017 @ 11:53am
      Nat said | November 16th 2017 @ 11:53am | ! Report

      Good article Scott and interesting reading some of the comments. The Cap issue aside, his success on score sheet and in player development is remarkable and/but you have to liken it to Bennett, in the early years, with regard to the players at his disposal. You mentioned he has NEVER bought a top tier player so could you argue that his recruitment team is as important as his ability to coach? Big 4, Izzy, Johnson, Bromwich Bros and now Munster, Suli, Glasby, Hughes, Jacks, Tui et al means they have little need to buy big when you have a stable of very good spine players and props waiting in the wings. Miles and Rose are examples of not-so-successful buys. I 100% agree that Bellamy has a remarkable record but I would like to see him at another club, without the Roster depth before we build the statue.

      • Roar Guru

        November 16th 2017 @ 12:10pm said | November 16th 2017 @ 12:10pm | ! Report

        The Storm had Peter O’Sullivan in the early days and in recent years Paul Bunn who was with Wayne Bennett in his early years. Aside from being outstanding judges on player talent they are also in a great position to judge coaches and they have both told me how high they hold Bellamy.
        Many of those players you mentioned would not have made it without Bellamy, thats a simple fact.
        I dont think he has anything to prove to anyone, but if I had a wish it would be for him to stay at the Storm for another 10 years and win a Premiership post the big 3. There is no doubt he can and he has the young talent to make it a reality. It would be a brave man to bet against him.

        • Roar Guru

          November 16th 2017 @ 12:52pm
          Nat said | November 16th 2017 @ 12:52pm | ! Report

          The similarities are remarkable between the two coaches and talent identification is key to that. Webke/Petro and Bromwich Bros, Asofa Solomona and Thorn. Big 3 and Walters, Langer, Lockyer. Chambers/Renouf, Suli/Dell. All early one-clubbers turned internationals. Maybe the key difference is coaching style: Bennett, fast and simple and Bellamy slow and strong. Although, Inglis and Izzy have had success outside Bellamy, we will soon know about Cronk and hard to imagine Slater and Smith wouldn’t be under any other program. That said, no CEO has a great company without great support and Bellamy, I believe, will continue to be successful post big 3 while at the Storm.

          • Roar Guru

            November 16th 2017 @ 2:33pm
   said | November 16th 2017 @ 2:33pm | ! Report

            When you work as hard as he does and as smart success always follows.

        • November 16th 2017 @ 2:00pm
          matth said | November 16th 2017 @ 2:00pm | ! Report

          The late Cyril Connell, best recruitment man the Broncos ever had.

          • Roar Guru

            November 16th 2017 @ 2:34pm
   said | November 16th 2017 @ 2:34pm | ! Report

            I think John Ribot is as he recruited Wayne Bennett, not to mention Craig Bellamy.

        • November 16th 2017 @ 8:38pm
          Not so super said | November 16th 2017 @ 8:38pm | ! Report

          Peter O’Sullivan – you speak of him with admiration ? Isn’t he banned ?

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