A club-by-club guide to the 2017 AFL draft

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    Today, I’m taking a club-by-club look at the 2017 AFL Draft. Where is your club picking, and who are they likely to take?

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    There’s been plenty of talk about it being something of a shallow year, and things become unpredictable quickly after the first 20 picks or so.

    So, a disclaimer – I’m focusing almost exclusively on the picks each club holds inside the first two rounds.

    For fans of the teams who don’t have any picks in this range, you might find your section a bit skint. I’m not going to pretend I know any better than you who you might get a hold of this late in the piece.

    Adelaide Crows

    Picks: 12, 39, 75, 94.

    The ideal scenario for Adelaide would be that Darcy Fogarty, the top-rated South Australian prospect in the draft pool, slips to their first selection.

    However, he’ll almost certainly go in the top ten, most likely somewhere between Collingwood’s pick 6 and Carlton’s pick 10.

    Without another homegrown prospect to genuinely consider, the Crows will have to take a punt on interstate talent.

    The quality of their list and the fact they already have two first-round picks banked for next year puts them in a position where they can afford to take the best available, even if there’s some risk attached.

    That being the case, if Aiden Bonar or Jaidyn Stephenson slip to their selection, they’d have to strongly consider them.

    Aaron Naughton might also be one to look at if still available, as the departure of Jake Lever has left them a little thin in the key position stocks.

    Brisbane Lions

    Picks: 1, 15, 18, 40, 44, 52.

    Read Maddy Friend’s draft analysis for the Brisbane Lions here.

    I wrote at length yesterday on the decision facing Brisbane when it comes to pick 1, so there’s not much need to cover that ground again. You can read about it here.

    They have two more picks inside the top 20 though and will have to consider what types of player they go after with them.

    They’ll get a centrepiece midfielder of some kind at pick No.1, and the midfield is likely the area they’ll look to continue adding talent to, but some consideration will have to go to key position player.

    If Aaron Naughton or Jarrod Brander is available at either of their selections, they’ll have to come into consideration – Oscar Allen too.

    However they’ll likely pick up academy tall Connor Ballenden through matching a bid somewhere in the second or third round, which will push them to look instead at somewhat shorter talent with their first round picks.

    Lachlan Fogarty is one they’ve been linked to a bit recently. He might not even get there, with Sydney interested at 14, and would be no guarantee to make it past the Bulldogs at 16 if Brisbane let him slip.

    Jack Higgins could be seriously appealing too if he lasts until pick 15, as his professionalism is highly regarded and that would appeal to a recruiting team no doubt factoring in the level of commitment players show more than most.

    Lachlan Fogarty tall

    (Photo by Michael Dodge/Getty Images)

    One player Brisbane should be watching closely is Charlie Constable. There’s some suggestion he could slide down the order, so he might be available at 15 or even 18. He’s a big-bodied extractor who could be a mainstay of their midfield for years to come.

    It’ll be a shock if a bid for Ballenden comes anywhere inside the first 20 picks, so the Lions are set to gain at least four promising prospects.

    Carlton Blues

    Picks: 3, 10, 30, 72, 95, 96.

    Read Maddy Friend’s draft analysis for the Carlton Blues here.

    With two picks inside the top ten, Carlton are set to be big players in the draft yet again, and given what’s on offer and where their list is at, you’d guess midfield talent will be the key focus.

    One of Cam Rayner, Luke Davies-Uniacke or Paddy Dow will likely be the order of the day at pick 3, but Adam Cerra would be an outside chance. Any would be a fine addition.

    At pick 10 they’re in a good position to hope for a slider to slip through, though it depends on how much of a risk they are willing to take.

    There’s a good chance least one of Aiden Bonar or Jaidyn Stephenson will be there and they’d be potential bargains at that point, but have some question marks as well.

    If they want to go a bit safer, then one or both of Nick Coffield or Hunter Clark would be available too.

    They’ve also been linked to what could be something of a reach for Lochie O’Brien at that pick, if a more appealing prospect isn’t available.

    Pick 30 might be a good time to pick up a key position player if there’s one available. Noah Balta seems like he could sink that late, or later.

    Alternatively a strong-bodied midfielder like James Worpel could step in and play AFL football early in 2018, which would appeal to the Blues.

    Collingwood Magpies

    Picks: 6, 38, 56, 61.

    With only one early pick Collingwood have a big decision to make – key position player, or midfielder?

    All signs point towards a need for key positions players. They have Darcy Moore up forward, Ben Reid swinging around somewhere, and Lynden Dunn somehow the lynchpin of their defence.

    However it’s debatable whether or not there is one worth taking that early in this draft. If there is, it would be Aaron Naughton, who despite hailing from the west, is a Pies fan.

    Naughton is a ready-to-go tall defender who would be able to make an impact in 2018, but if they draft him they’ll be passing up a good midfielder of some kind.

    Darcy Fogarty, who will most likely be available at their pick, might be a good compromise between the two. He’s not quite a key position forward, not quite a midfielder, so could do a bit of both.

    Jaidyn Stephenson similarly, at 189cm, could be both a play-starter and play-finisher with his versatility through the midfield and forward line.

    There’s also been talk of interest in Nathan Murphy, but that would be a significant reach. Not impossible, but I’ll be more than a little surprised if it comes off.

    Father-son prospect Tyler Brown – whose brother Callum they drafted last year – will be in their plans too. They’ll be hoping a bid comes after pick 38, which it probably does.

    Essendon Bombers

    Picks: 48, 67, 81

    I’ve checked the TV guide and Back To The Future is on some channel or another. Probably more entertainment on offer there than here for Dons fans.

    Fremantle Dockers

    Picks: 2, 5, 42, 60, 66, 70, 77, 80, 90.

    Read Maddy Friend’s draft analysis for the Fremantle Dockers here.

    The Dockers have two picks inside the top five, but also have nine in total – while they are no guarantee to use them all, this is one of the most important drafts in the club’s history.

    The top five looks likely to be, in some order, Cam Rayner, Andrew Brayshaw, Luke Davies-Uniacke, Paddy Dow and Adam Cerra. Whichever two they get it’ll be a good result.

    It’s unlikely Fremantle will consider going outside this group, but if they do then Darcy Fogarty, Aaron Naughton and Jaidyn Stephenson would be in the mix.

    At this stage though, the most likely result is Davies-Uniacke at pick 2, and whichever of Brayshaw or Cerra is available at 5.

    Luke Davies-Uniacke AFL draft 2017 tall

    (Photo by Michael Dodge/Getty Images)

    Geelong Cats

    Picks: 22, 24, 35, 58, 71, 86.

    The Cats have two picks inside the top 25 by virtue of giving away their 2018 second-round in the Gary Ablett deal.

    They’re in sort of an awkward position though – odds are most of the top talent will be off the board at this point, so they’ll be looking at either mature players, or projects.

    If they want to bring in a mature player, then the WAFL’s Tim Kelly is a chance. Liam Ryan is another mature player who might get picked up but would be more likely at one of their later picks.

    They could also take a look into local prospects like Matthew Ling or Tom McCartin with an eye to the future.

    The ideal scenario however would be that someone in that top 20ish group slips this far.

    Gold Coast Suns

    Picks: 19, 41, 50, 54, 74, 88.

    The Suns are entering the draft a lot later than they’re used to this year, with only one pick inside the first 40.

    What’s more, there’s a changing of the guard underway in their list management department right now, so it’s hard to predict what effect that will have.

    A big, beefy midfielder would be hard to go past and if Charlie Constable is available – a legitimate possibility – he would be a great selection.

    If not, there isn’t really another player of that type likely to be available, unless they want to go early on someone like James Worpel.

    Expect them to match a bid for ruckman Brayden Crossley at some point in the draft too, likely not until the third round or later.

    GWS Giants

    Picks: 11, 27, 28, 57, 65, 85, 93.

    Read Maddy Friend’s draft analysis for the GWS Giants here.

    The Giants’ midfield appears pretty stacked, but they could use more players who can kick goals, and maybe some depth in the key defender department.

    Jack Higgins would be a great fit at their first pick. He’s almost certainly still on the board there. Aaron Naughton too would be a good pickup if available.

    However, they could also take a punt on Aiden Bonar or Jaidyn Stephenson, with both a chance to be available – GWS do love big midfielders.

    There are a few good small forward prospects around in the 20s for them too and I’ll be surprised if they don’t take a small forward of some kind inside their first three picks.

    Gryan Miers, who booted seven goals in the TAC Cup grand final, Brent Daniels and Charlie Spargo would be the players to consider.

    Gryan Miers

    (Photo by Graham Denholm/AFL Media/Getty Images)

    Expect them to match a bid for academy player Nicholas Shipley somewhere in the middle or latter part of the draft, and maybe Jack Payne too.

    Hawthorn Hawks

    Picks: 43, 68, 73, 78, 91.

    It might be time to consider becoming a Melbourne City fan and heading out to AAMI Park, because as is often the case, even a nil-all draw would probably be more watchable than Hawthorn’s draft night.

    Changkuoth Jiath will probably be a next generation academy pick at some point.

    Melbourne Demons

    Picks: 29, 31, 36, 47.

    The Dees come in late, but then have three picks in a fairly short space of time, so they’re in a good position to clean up any players who slip through later than expected.

    Sam Hayes could be a great apprentice ruckman to Max Gawn for a few years, hence be selected without any need to rush his development.

    A small forward would have to appeal too and there’s bound to be one of some quality available at their picks here.

    Jack Petrucelle is every chance to be available in this range as well and the Demons could do a lot worse than punting on his raw speed. He and Jayden Hunt tearing it up off halfback would be scary-fun to watch.

    North Melbourne Kangaroos

    Picks: 4, 23, 64, 76, 87.

    If you’ve talked to me at all in the past few weeks you’ve probably been treated to a lengthy lecture on why I’d like to see North select Jaidyn Stephenson at their first pick.

    Speed, height, confidence, great hair – Stephenson has it all. But the rumours going around suggest that isn’t likely to happen. Such is life.

    Instead, the Roos are likely to find themselves picking up one of Andrew Brayshaw or Adam Cerra, as they look to be the most highly-rated prospects available if the top three goes as expected.

    Andrew Brayshaw

    (Photo by Michael Dodge/Getty Images)

    Of course if Brisbane pick up Brayshaw at 1, then one of the top three will slide to be available at North’s pick, and they surely snap them up whoever it is.

    Pick 23 is a little harder to read but one would think speed and outside class is the order of the day. Lochie O’Brien or Ed Richards would be a dream come true at this selection but it’s unlikely they’re available.

    More realistically, Matthew Ling or Jack Petrucelle both offer at least some of the traits North are after.

    Port Adelaide Power

    Picks: 46, 49, 59, 62, 63, 82, 89.

    Port’s active moves over the last two trade periods give them more than a few list spots to fill, but no high picks to do it with.

    They’ve already bolstered their team with mature discards like Jack Trengove and Trent McKenzie, and it wouldn’t surprise to see that theme continue.

    Former Melbourne player Dom Barry could be a mutually good fit, putting him as close as possible to the Northern Territory.

    Snazzy WAFL small forward Liam Ryan would be appealing as well, as surely would Tim Kelly if he’s available.

    It doesn’t look likely to be a particularly exciting draft night for Power fans though. If only Adelaide was the kind of city where there was something to do on a Friday night.

    Richmond Tigers

    Picks: 17, 20, 25, 53, 55.

    Having three top-25 picks after a premiership is a seriously enviable position to be in, so fans have good reason to be excited.

    The midfield and small forwards are well-stocked, so talls look the order of the day.

    Jarrod Brander would be a perfect fit at Richmond and while most have projected him as an earlier pick, he’s a serious chance to slide this late.

    Ruckman Sam Hayes would have to be appealing too, probably more likely at pick 20 or 25.

    Sam Hayes

    (Photo by Jack Thomas/AFL Media/Getty Images)

    The Tigers will also match a bid for father-son player Patrick Naish at some point, hoping it comes after pick 25.

    That’s about a 50-50 chance really. Getting three good picks in before picking up Naish as well would be amazing, getting picks 17 and 20 in before matching a Naish bid with 25 would still be a very good night.

    St Kilda Saints

    Picks: 7, 8, 34, 45.

    It’s not often you have two top-ten draft picks in hand and that makes this a crucial night for St Kilda.

    While a key defender like Aaron Naughton will have some appeal, given their lack of depth there, the wisest strategy is to invest in two play-making midfielder types.

    An ideal scenario would be that someone like Adam Cerra or Andrew Brayshaw slips to be available at these picks, but that seems unlikely.

    Instead, they will probably acquire two of Jaidyn Stephenson, Darcy Fogarty, Aiden Bonar, Nick Coffield and Hunter Clark, who all have traits worth getting excited about.

    It’s going to be a good night for the Saints, no matter how it goes.

    Sydney Swans

    Picks: 14, 33, 51, 84, 92.

    Sydney reportedly are interviewing both Jack Higgins and Lachlan Fogarty this week and it wouldn’t be a surprise if it’s one of those two at their first pick.

    Higgins would probably be the preference but is a good chance to be off the table by that point. Fogarty is a fine backup option.

    Either one could play in 2018 as a dangerous small forward, with the potential to develop into at least a part-time midfielder.

    West Coast Eagles

    Picks: 13, 21, 26, 32, 37, 69, 83.

    Read Maddy Friend’s draft analysis for the West Coast Eagles here.

    West Coast have made a heavy investment in this year’s draft by trading away their 2018 first-rounder, and it’ll be fascinating to see just what happens.

    I’m still scratching my head at exactly what they’re trying to do here.

    There’s an opportunity for them to load up on mature WAFL talent like Tim Kelly and Liam Ryan, but is that really a good idea for where they’re at?

    One thing is clear – they certainly rate the talent in the 20s and 30s of this draft much higher than most. Time will tell if it’s the right call.

    Their first pick is likely a best-available selection, though there’s some speculation they could reach a little and pick up a local talent, perhaps Oscar Allen.

    Western Bulldogs

    Picks: 9, 16, 79.

    Some canny last-day trading sees the Dogs with two picks inside the top 20.

    Their first pick will likely be a decision between whichever midfield type most takes their fancy, or a key defender in Aaron Naughton.

    They’ve got a decent number of key defenders on their list but none who’ve been able to consistently make the spot their own, so it’s not a bad idea.

    At pick 16 they’ve been linked to Lachlan Fogarty, but Sydney at pick 14 and Brisbane at 15 are both interested as well.

    Nathan Murphy could be in the mix here, and Jarrod Brander too if they don’t go tall with their first pick.

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    • November 22nd 2017 @ 8:36am
      Davo said | November 22nd 2017 @ 8:36am | ! Report

      Josh your team North are in an interesting position. Who would you pick out of Brawshaw, Cerra or Dow and why ? I think an easier choice would have been Rayner and Davies but if there gone as expected the above three are hard to split.

      • Editor

        November 22nd 2017 @ 11:55am
        Josh Elliott said | November 22nd 2017 @ 11:55am | ! Report

        I think it would have to be Dow – be great to have someone who has that quick burst away from the stoppage, given most of our mids at the moment are fairly one-paced.

    • November 22nd 2017 @ 8:50am
      Mattician6x6 said | November 22nd 2017 @ 8:50am | ! Report

      As a wce supporter I’m extremely happy with the strategy they’ve shown, we are all aware of the list problems that existed and proactive approach was needed as the club does not rebuild as such and as shown through out the years they are very astute at building a team with picks in the mid teens onwards and the rookie draft.

    • Roar Guru

      November 22nd 2017 @ 9:46am
      JamesH said | November 22nd 2017 @ 9:46am | ! Report

      I eagerly clicked this link wondering who you thought the Dons might be aiming for at 48, given they will probably want to the best available bigger-bodied mid. Silly me.

      • Editor

        November 22nd 2017 @ 11:51am
        Josh Elliott said | November 22nd 2017 @ 11:51am | ! Report


        I agree that’s the type Essendon need, but a bit hard to say if there’s actually a prospect in that range who fits the bill.

      • November 22nd 2017 @ 12:33pm
        Harsh Truth Harry said | November 22nd 2017 @ 12:33pm | ! Report

        Don’t worry James…pick 48 is a bit hard to predict but the fact is we already have our next flag list with us right now. We are ready to go and take the cup in 2018 and stand alone at the top of the table with 17 flags! Dare I say back to back for the Bombers in 2018-2019.

    • November 22nd 2017 @ 10:12am
      DougyW said | November 22nd 2017 @ 10:12am | ! Report

      Bit hard to predict who might be available when your first pick is number 48! Anyway the Bombers have had an incredibly successful draft so far with Stringer, Saad and Smith across the line.

      • Roar Guru

        November 22nd 2017 @ 10:59am
        JamesH said | November 22nd 2017 @ 10:59am | ! Report

        That’s half the fun, Dougy!

      • November 22nd 2017 @ 11:55am
        Hungry Jack said | November 22nd 2017 @ 11:55am | ! Report

        Don’t jump the gun, Dougy. The success of those three is no lay- down masaire. All pose potential problems for the Bombers.

    • November 22nd 2017 @ 10:23am
      Aransan said | November 22nd 2017 @ 10:23am | ! Report

      I expect Essendon to pick up somebody pretty good at 48, but like you I have no idea who that will be and probably even as late as pick 47 Essendon won’t be sure of who they will take. Zac Merrett wasn’t expected to be available at pick 26 in his draft and Essendon had almost committed to taking Rory Lobb with that pick.

      • November 22nd 2017 @ 10:54am
        Stephen said | November 22nd 2017 @ 10:54am | ! Report

        Aransan/JamesH, Yes not a lot from the author of this article for red and black supporters. Fair enough – its a late entry this year. However, the club has wisely chosen to balance the list management strategies with three mature recruits – Smith, Saad and Stringer. There are still draft-and-develop players such as – Francis, Ridley, Begley, Mutch, Clarke, Redman etc who have had little or no opportunities at senior level.

        I guess I’ve run a little hot and cold on Adrian Dadoro over his 20 years at Essendon. But to his credit and after years of being forced to be defensive – he now seems to have a clear strategy of building a core group of under 25 year-old players. If they can gel – the club can potentially build many years of consistency.

        If Liam Ryan is available at Pick 48 – he might be considered.

        • Roar Guru

          November 22nd 2017 @ 11:06am
          JamesH said | November 22nd 2017 @ 11:06am | ! Report

          Yeah, I’d like to see Mutch or even Langford develop into that bigger clearance mid we need. Ryan is an interesting one – talented enough to take if he’s still there, but really not what the club is after given that he’s an x-factor forward. At some point we have to start looking at consistent ball-winners to compliment those x-factor types (which we now have in spades).

          • November 22nd 2017 @ 11:40am
            Stephen said | November 22nd 2017 @ 11:40am | ! Report

            True James. And much has been said/written about Essendon’s lack of a genuine contested-ball winner. Not sure I have the answer – except as you say – the club is hoping/planning on the development of – Langford, Laverde, Mutch with some assistance from Stringer and Smith. But none of those players are really contested ball winners. It remains an issue.

            Unfortunately Myers hasn’t taken the next step. And Colyer and Myers simply don’t get their hands on the football anywhere near enough to justify midfield selection.

            So more questions than answers on this issue I guess. Francis will develop into a fine key defender. Perhaps Josh Begley might be trained with the midfield group this pre-season. He is very strong. And if you can get a kick player as a smallish forward – you can get a kick anywhere. His aerobic capacity is also at a high level.

            • November 22nd 2017 @ 12:14pm
              Aransan said | November 22nd 2017 @ 12:14pm | ! Report

              Stephen, I wouldn’t be too hard on Myers and Colyer after missing a year and in Myer’s case he missed a lot of football before that. I see Colyer and Laverde being more outside players. Essendon were hoping that Francis would develop into a utility/forward but I am sure he is capable of developing into a fine key position back. Langford has been developed as a mid, Mutch will become a fine player but he is only second year, Begley will develop into a good goal kicking mid. Ridley is a tall player young for his draft year, I expect him to be a fine player but patience will be required.This will be Redman’s third year and he will face a lot of competition to be selected on a back flank.

              I think Dodoro has been very good since Essendon focussed on rebuilding, some mistakes were made a few years back when some at Essendon believed they were in a premiership window but I wouldn’t blame the list manager when he is required to act on that assumption.

              • November 22nd 2017 @ 12:30pm
                Stephen said | November 22nd 2017 @ 12:30pm | ! Report

                Fair enough Aransan. Agree with your comments – except perhaps Colyer and Myers. I hope I’m wrong. Perhaps I’m still miffed as to why the club didn’t accept an offer to trade both players for an early pick in the 2013 draft. If true it was a bad error.

                Golden rule for list management – never over-rate your list.

              • Roar Guru

                November 22nd 2017 @ 2:09pm
                JamesH said | November 22nd 2017 @ 2:09pm | ! Report

                I just love how we’ve taken two non-lines about Essendon’s lack of draft picks and hijacked the comments section to have a discussion about Essendon’s list development. Excellent.

                I hope Mutch, Clarke and Ridley get to debut soon. Really looking forward to seeing what they can offer.

              • November 22nd 2017 @ 3:10pm
                Harsh Truth Harry said | November 22nd 2017 @ 3:10pm | ! Report

                Rumour is Clarke is even better than his brother at North….can’t wait for him to get his chance…

              • November 22nd 2017 @ 3:59pm
                Stephen said | November 22nd 2017 @ 3:59pm | ! Report

                Perhaps we’re a little starved of EFC articles James. Having said that – no news is good news – following the protracted supplements saga.

              • November 22nd 2017 @ 5:31pm
                Stephen said | November 22nd 2017 @ 5:31pm | ! Report

                Harry, Darren Bewick who coached Dylan Clarke at the Eastern Ranges – predicted recently that Clarke will play over 200 AFL games. Its a bold call.

                I wasn’t aware Ryan Clarke from NM was his brother.

              • November 22nd 2017 @ 10:04pm
                Aransan said | November 22nd 2017 @ 10:04pm | ! Report

                Stephen, Clarke was expected to go much higher in the draft but there was a knock on his kicking which the Essendon coaching staff were confident they could address. His September birthdate makes him one of the younger players drafted, so he has upside.

              • November 22nd 2017 @ 10:52pm
                Stephen said | November 22nd 2017 @ 10:52pm | ! Report

                Aransan, I only realised today Clarke was drafted at number 63 – after Harry mentioned him and I googled Dylan Clarke. That’s a late pick for his former coach in Bewick to be so bullish. Perhaps his kicking dragged him down – as you say. Andrew McGrath is also a big fan of Clarke’s – perhaps one to watch next year.

              • November 23rd 2017 @ 11:12am
                Aransan said | November 23rd 2017 @ 11:12am | ! Report

              • November 23rd 2017 @ 11:41am
                Stephen said | November 23rd 2017 @ 11:41am | ! Report

                Thank you Aransan.

        • November 22nd 2017 @ 5:39pm
          Harsh Truth Harry said | November 22nd 2017 @ 5:39pm | ! Report

          yeah Stephen Ryan and Dylan Clarke are brothers one year apart…theres another cousin who is a cracker too…both Clarke boys should have long careers…

    • November 22nd 2017 @ 10:46am
      Macca said | November 22nd 2017 @ 10:46am | ! Report

      Josh – I think you are right on pick 3 with “One of Cam Rayner, Luke Davies-Uniacke or Paddy Dow” and I am really hoping it is Dow.

      If Brayshaw and Naughton go top 5 it will really open things up for the blues at 10 with the likelihood that 1 of Bonar, Cerra or Stephenson would be around which would all be great gets for the blues.

      When the worst case scenario looks like getting Hunter Clark at 10 then I am pretty confident we will come out of it in good shape.

      • Roar Guru

        November 22nd 2017 @ 11:18am
        Col from Brissie said | November 22nd 2017 @ 11:18am | ! Report

        Some may/will argue that Macca. No matter who the Blues pick up we will hear how they aren’t any good and that SOS got it wrong again.

        • November 22nd 2017 @ 11:23am
          Macca said | November 22nd 2017 @ 11:23am | ! Report

          No doubt Col.

          What would be your dream draft for the blues with 3 & 10 (30 is just too hard)

          • Roar Guru

            November 22nd 2017 @ 11:47am
            Col from Brissie said | November 22nd 2017 @ 11:47am | ! Report

            Macca, not having seen much football from any of the draftees I can only go by what I see written in the press. Any of the expected top 3 would be OK – I think we need some outside pace to capitalise on the inside work of Cripps and hopefully Kennedy, so any of the youngsters that fill that requirement would be who I would like us to take at 3 and 10.

            • November 22nd 2017 @ 11:59am
              Macca said | November 22nd 2017 @ 11:59am | ! Report

              That my thinking too Col – that’s why I like Dow, that burst speed out should suit Cripps and Kennedy and hopefully compliment Cuningham who also has great burst speed.

              At 10 this is what Twomey had to say about the players I would love the blues to get;

              Stephenson – “Stephenson highlighted his pace at the Combine, running 2.95 seconds in the 20-metre sprint. Anyone who has seen him play would have known that, though. However, it was his very good endurance results – level 21.8 in the Yo-Yo test and a 6:21 minute 2km time trial – which probably meant more”

              Cerra “Cerra brings real poise and class to the draft pool, He can be trusted with the ball to set up the play”

              Bonar ” Bonar’s speed and leap came to the fore at the NAB AFL Draft Combine, when he came equal second in the 20-metre sprint (2.90 seconds), top-10 in the agility (8.30 seconds) and also equaled the all-time record in the standing vertical jump (89cm).”

              • November 22nd 2017 @ 2:01pm
                Darren said | November 22nd 2017 @ 2:01pm | ! Report

                Macca – one clarification is I have absolutely no idea about new recruits and can only go by what I read. Notwithstanding this this Aidan Bonar guy, assuming he is the sort of person you want at a club (again I have no idea), looks like he has a huge upside.

              • November 22nd 2017 @ 2:12pm
                Macca said | November 22nd 2017 @ 2:12pm | ! Report

                Darren – I think everyone on this site (including me) should have that clarification.

                But I agree on Bonar, I would absolutely love it if the blues got Dow & Bonar and 3 & 10. They both seem exciting players to watch and would compliment the inside work of Cripps and Kennedy perfectly. Both have shown the ability to kick goals as well.

        • November 22nd 2017 @ 3:11pm
          Harsh Truth Harry said | November 22nd 2017 @ 3:11pm | ! Report

          Col…to be fair SOS is getting a good track record at messing up….SOS on notice in 2018 for sure…

          • November 22nd 2017 @ 4:06pm
            Macca said | November 22nd 2017 @ 4:06pm | ! Report

            HTH – I have to give you credit, you always find a new level of ridiculousness.

            Just for giggles what is this record SOS has for messing up? Building a list from scratch that has GWS contesting the last to Prelim finals while the Suns take up residency at the foot of the ladder?

            Or perhaps it was trading Yarran to the Tigers for a first round pick? Maybe Menzel to Adelaide for 28 and Kerridge? Maybe getting Williamson at 61?

            • November 22nd 2017 @ 4:32pm
              Mattyb said | November 22nd 2017 @ 4:32pm | ! Report

              Harry,Silvagnis record with the rejects has overall been very poor but it’s obviously far to soon to make a call on most of his draft picks besides perhaps Curnow,he’s certainly wasted a huge amount of list spots which has slowed down improvment.List balance at this point is questionable but can obviously be tidyed up in future drafts including this one.
              SIlvagni certainly won’t be on notice in 2018,if the club again goes backwards Bolton will be the man taking the fall. There is absolutely no way a new board will come in and remove Silvagni and the current board is under to much internal pressure to make a decision that would not only upset the members but curtail membership growth.
              I certainly believe him and McKay are the clubs biggest weakness and need to be removed,but it won’t happen until the club goes through a bit more pain before they realise the reality.

              • November 22nd 2017 @ 4:47pm
                Macca said | November 22nd 2017 @ 4:47pm | ! Report

                Mattyb – could you please answer the following questions;

                1) Which “rejects” have been “very poor” selections for the blues?
                2) If SOS didn’t recruit these “very poor” “rejects” who/ what draft picks would they have had instead – ie how were these list spots “wasted”?
                3) Assuming the blues take a midfielder at 3 and 10 (given they are targeting midfield depth this is a reasonable assumption) how exactly is “List balance at this point is questionable”?
                4) Do you consider Plowman, Marchbank, Kennedy & Pickett “rejects” given GWS wanted to keep them?
                5) Given the blues 11 draftees of the past 2 years have played 171 games between them (6 having played 15 games or more) how many more games do you need to see them play before it isn’t “far to soon to make a call”?

              • November 22nd 2017 @ 5:06pm
                Mattyb said | November 22nd 2017 @ 5:06pm | ! Report

                Sorry Macca,I was replying to Harry,you tend to go round in circles or take people down deep black holes to disguise the fact Carlton are still a bottom side that went backwards again last season,that’s why they have pick 3.

              • November 22nd 2017 @ 5:09pm
                Macca said | November 22nd 2017 @ 5:09pm | ! Report

                Mattyb – just as I thought, you can not support your opinion.

                These are legitimate questions, if you actually believe what you say they should be easy to answer but instead you blame the questioner and deflect.

                Fact is you know what you are saying is rubbish, you just can’t bring yourself to admit it.

              • November 22nd 2017 @ 5:33pm
                Mattyb said | November 22nd 2017 @ 5:33pm | ! Report

                Sorry Macca,it’s just that you’ve been arguing the same thing for years but Carlton never seem to actually go anywhere,and last year they actually went backwards remarkably enough. You seem to just change the names of the up and coming superstars each season.
                How about you have the last word and we’ll let it go,and I hope that if you can actually manage to get to a few games next year the blues can start having a few wins and climb out of the irrelavent depths they’ve been for what is now far to long for a once proud club.

              • Roar Guru

                November 22nd 2017 @ 5:54pm
                Col from Brissie said | November 22nd 2017 @ 5:54pm | ! Report

                Some very legitimate questions asked by Macca and as usual you refuse or can’t answer them but instead revert to your ad nauseam rants.

              • November 22nd 2017 @ 6:03pm
                Mattyb said | November 22nd 2017 @ 6:03pm | ! Report

                Col,I wasn’t replying to Macca though and clearly have no interest in conversing with him while the blues continue to flounder and go backwards.
                In reply to Harry I said I highly doubt Silvagni will be on notice during the 2018 season despite his questionable performance so far,which is supportive.

              • Roar Guru

                November 22nd 2017 @ 6:20pm
                Col from Brissie said | November 22nd 2017 @ 6:20pm | ! Report

                Matty, doesn’t matter if you were replying to Macca or not. If you come on this site and make statements like you did then you should be prepared to back up those statements when asked.

              • November 23rd 2017 @ 9:07am
                Don Freo said | November 23rd 2017 @ 9:07am | ! Report

                A better way would be for you to correct him with things he might not know.

                When anon has a go at Ross Lyon or JonBoy denigrates Sandi, the best way to de-fang the put down is to correct them.

                Argue what you have. You are always too defensive. It’s as if you are conceding.

              • November 23rd 2017 @ 9:50am
                Macca said | November 23rd 2017 @ 9:50am | ! Report

                Don – I would also add that no matter how many times he has been corrected and it has irrefutably proven that his opinion is incorrect – he keeps regurgitating the same thing, he is incapable of comprehending.

                Asking him questions makes him get there by himself because there is simply not the evidence to support what he said.

              • November 23rd 2017 @ 9:58am
                Don Freo said | November 23rd 2017 @ 9:58am | ! Report

                Not so. It’s a chance for you to talk up your boys. Win. Win.

              • November 22nd 2017 @ 6:31pm
                Macca said | November 22nd 2017 @ 6:31pm | ! Report

                Mattyb – instead of going off on a tangent and down “black holes” jus to answer the very basic questions I put or acknowledge that your argument has no merit and stop commenting about the blues.

              • November 22nd 2017 @ 6:50pm
                Mattyb said | November 22nd 2017 @ 6:50pm | ! Report

                Col,its been a few years now that’s all and some of the improvement that’s spoken about each year never comes.
                Plenty of questions have been answered over the years and plenty of comments heavily policed.
                It’s time for Carlton supporters to show some patience and wait until the club starts winning before riding high horses or proclaiming their young kids as a success. I do understand the frustration though,but it seems Carlton commentary is exactly the same at each part of the year and is generally proven to be wrong by the time the next cycle comes around.

              • November 22nd 2017 @ 7:44pm
                Macca said | November 22nd 2017 @ 7:44pm | ! Report

                More rambling ranting but still no answers to simp,e questions!

                Time you give it up Mattyb, its obvious you are a sham.

              • November 23rd 2017 @ 9:28am
                Macca said | November 23rd 2017 @ 9:28am | ! Report

                Don Freo – “A better way would be for you to correct him with things he might not know.” That has been tried but he refuses to believe anything that goes against what he believes, dismisses anything he doesn’t know (which is a significant amount) as irrelevant thinks that every opinion is equal no matter what evidence supports it.

                Asking him questions about his “opinion” has proven in fact to be the most effective method – it clearly demonstrates that his opinion can not be supported and generally stops him ranting pretty quick.

              • November 23rd 2017 @ 10:06am
                Macca said | November 23rd 2017 @ 10:06am | ! Report

                Don – I don’t need another chance to talk up my boys.

                By asking MAttyb questions he stops posting, that’s a win.

              • Roar Guru

                November 23rd 2017 @ 11:02am
                Col from Brissie said | November 23rd 2017 @ 11:02am | ! Report

                Don Freo, “argue what you have, you are too defensive, is as if you are conceding”. Matty consistently tells us that Carlton supporters on this site are too impatient despite us saying that we do not expect to be challenging for finals until 2019. Over the past couple of seasons we have said that the Blues would finish in the bottom four – how is that being impatient.
                Matty consistently tells us that Silvagni has failed in his 2 years of trading and drafting. We continually reply that we see talent and growth in the players that he brought into the club. We have agreed that there have been some players like Palmer and Smedts that have not worked out but considering they were part of trades that brought in other players and did not cost us much we don’t see that as failure. We have not claimed that every player that has been drafted or traded to the Blues are all going to be stars but they are part of the plan to build a side that hopefully will have sustained success.

                So you see Don we do address Matty’s comments but he does not want to accept our points and continues to trot out the same comments. So why should we not ask him to answer our questions as it is hard to correct him if we do not know the substance behind his claims?

              • November 23rd 2017 @ 11:39am
                Jon boy said | November 23rd 2017 @ 11:39am | ! Report

                Macca -Give it a break Mattyb does not need to be corrected by you and Headmaster Don Freo . You and Don know nothing about Carlton.

              • November 23rd 2017 @ 11:57am
                Don Freo said | November 23rd 2017 @ 11:57am | ! Report

                But he upsets you so much. You don’t have to give him that kind of power. If you don’t agree with him and you have argued your case, just hold your opinion.

                You don’t need Matty to agree with you. He probably won’t because he holds a different view and that is his right.

              • November 23rd 2017 @ 12:01pm
                Macca said | November 23rd 2017 @ 12:01pm | ! Report

                He doesn’t upset me at all Don, he amuses me, watching him flail around trying to grasp simple concepts that are obviously beyond him.

                When I want to play with him I argue my case, when I want him to go away I simply ask him questions.

                And he is entitled to his own view, but not his own facts and those are the things on which we correct him.

              • November 23rd 2017 @ 12:16pm
                Don Freo said | November 23rd 2017 @ 12:16pm | ! Report

                Your ‘playing’ always sounds a little bit petulant with a touch of tantrum. You might consider some adjustments to your style so we don’t all see you like that.

              • November 23rd 2017 @ 12:26pm
                Macca said | November 23rd 2017 @ 12:26pm | ! Report

                Don – I know this will come as a complete surprise to you but I am not particularly concerned about the way you see me.

                I am comfortable with who I am.

              • November 23rd 2017 @ 12:35pm
                Don Freo said | November 23rd 2017 @ 12:35pm | ! Report

                Hence the need to have the last word on every conversation. Very needy.

              • November 23rd 2017 @ 12:42pm
                Macca said | November 23rd 2017 @ 12:42pm | ! Report

                I find the only people who complain about me having the last word are the ones frustrated because they didn’t get it

              • November 23rd 2017 @ 8:30pm
                Jon boy said | November 23rd 2017 @ 8:30pm | ! Report

                Great stuff Macca don”t let him treat you like a child.

              • November 23rd 2017 @ 8:39pm
                Don Freo said | November 23rd 2017 @ 8:39pm | ! Report

                You’ve just been patronized with JonBoy as your patron.

                This should add some rigor.

              • November 23rd 2017 @ 11:44am
                Macca said | November 23rd 2017 @ 11:44am | ! Report

                JonBoy – I asked Mattyb some pretty simple questions which he was unable to answer because in doing so it would have exposed his opinions to be completely wrong, that isn’t “correcting” it is exposing a weak argument.

                And given I have supporters the blues my entire life it is a big call to suggest I know nothing about them – can you support that claim?

              • November 23rd 2017 @ 11:51am
                Jon boy said | November 23rd 2017 @ 11:51am | ! Report

                Sorry Macca .i did forget you were a Blues man,

              • Roar Guru

                November 23rd 2017 @ 11:52am
                Col from Brissie said | November 23rd 2017 @ 11:52am | ! Report

                Strange comment Jon boy. You do realise Macca is a passionate Carlton supporter while Matty is a Bulldogs supporter who consistently makes negative comments on any Carlton article in the hope of getting bites out of Carlton supporters.

                Don was actually trying to correct Macca and myself, not Matty.

              • November 23rd 2017 @ 4:45pm
                Jon boy said | November 23rd 2017 @ 4:45pm | ! Report

                Brissie Col. your comment “Don was a actually trying to correct Macca and myself ,not Matty” Are you saying you let Don correct you ? are you another student of his ? Col. you do not have to be corrected once you leave school.

              • November 23rd 2017 @ 4:58pm
                Don Freo said | November 23rd 2017 @ 4:58pm | ! Report

                I understand your bitterness, JonBoy. The education system has obviously failed you.

              • November 23rd 2017 @ 5:20pm
                Jon boy said | November 23rd 2017 @ 5:20pm | ! Report

                Sorry Don not bitter at all .Not falling into your class do not go to school any more will not adjust to or be corrected by you just because you used to be a school teacher.

              • November 23rd 2017 @ 5:45pm
                Jon boy said | November 23rd 2017 @ 5:45pm | ! Report

                Actually the Education system went OK for me Don i passed 5 years High school was never in the top half dozen though did not go to Uni,thankfully. My teacher did say “go to the top of the class but don’t take your books you Won’t be staying long” I am hopeless on these computers and i rush sometimes and make spelling mistakes but you have always tried to correct me ,but you do not have to because i could not care bluddie less.

              • November 23rd 2017 @ 7:40pm
                Don Freo said | November 23rd 2017 @ 7:40pm | ! Report

                You’re having trouble with basic manners and clear thinking too.

              • November 23rd 2017 @ 8:25pm
                Jon boy said | November 23rd 2017 @ 8:25pm | ! Report

                Could not careless Don.

              • Roar Guru

                November 23rd 2017 @ 12:49pm
                TomC said | November 23rd 2017 @ 12:49pm | ! Report

                @Macca. Everyone finds it really annoying. It makes it almost unbearable to discuss Carlton on this site.

              • November 23rd 2017 @ 1:09pm
                Macca said | November 23rd 2017 @ 1:09pm | ! Report

                Well perhaps the issue should be taken up with the tr0ll who wants to derail Carlton threads rather than the genuine Carlton supporters?

              • November 23rd 2017 @ 12:51pm
                Mattyb said | November 23rd 2017 @ 12:51pm | ! Report

                Amazing aggression and remarkable impatience from the Carlton fans.
                Guys,if your so confident you need to wait for some wins and then get all up and about.
                I certainly won’t be re answering questions that have been answered numerous times before,that black hole has been gone down previously,stop looking for wins on the Internet to replace the continual on field losses.

              • Roar Guru

                November 23rd 2017 @ 1:03pm
                AdelaideDocker said | November 23rd 2017 @ 1:03pm | ! Report

                Unfortunately Macca, I’ve gotta agree with Tom.

                Surely, being a parent, you understand there’s a point where arguing/questioning becomes futile.

                You’re probably best off just ignoring Matty on all matters Carlton related. That’ll be the best outcome here.

              • November 23rd 2017 @ 1:12pm
                Macca said | November 23rd 2017 @ 1:12pm | ! Report

                AD – And as I said to Tom the fault is with the tr0ll.

                He has been ignored, he persists, he has been corrected, he persists – the only thing that halts him in any manner is asking direct questions – but as demonstrated that generally only leads to him complaining about having to support his opinion.

                Interestingly only a couple of months ago he claimed enough was enough and he would stop – yet here we are.

              • November 23rd 2017 @ 1:41pm
                Mattyb said | November 23rd 2017 @ 1:41pm | ! Report

                And a bit of good old name calling now,well done.
                every year the same policing occurs followed by again Carlton finishing at the very depths of the ladder.
                I do enjoy how up and about blues fans get after a rare victory though,and how they actually beg me for my appraisal and approval of the performance,very flattering indeed.

              • November 23rd 2017 @ 1:44pm
                Macca said | November 23rd 2017 @ 1:44pm | ! Report

                Mattyb – glad to see you didn’t waste your time answering legitimate questions about the blues but instead used your time to create your own “black hole” and suck yourself into it!

              • November 23rd 2017 @ 2:16pm
                Mattyb said | November 23rd 2017 @ 2:16pm | ! Report

                No worries Macca,I really do hope you can manage to get to a game or two next year and support your sporting side onfield like you do online.

              • November 23rd 2017 @ 2:20pm
                Macca said | November 23rd 2017 @ 2:20pm | ! Report

                Mattyb – I get to as many Carlton games as a 6 hour round trip and 2 young girls allows, I got to 2 this year and 2 last year and hope to get to a couple more next year.

                Not all of us have time to watch 9 AFL games, plus WAFL games, VFL games and NEAFL games a week, we have things called lives – you may want to get one.

              • Roar Guru

                November 23rd 2017 @ 2:53pm
                Cat said | November 23rd 2017 @ 2:53pm | ! Report

                … seems like you find plenty of time to police every single word spoken about Carlton …

                Like you ever fail to find the time to crap on about SOS, ‘GWS rejects’ and Carlton memberships? Pot calling the kettle black you are.

              • November 23rd 2017 @ 2:58pm
                Macca said | November 23rd 2017 @ 2:58pm | ! Report

                Mattyb – I know you are trying your best but you seriously have to get better.

                Time you toddled off to bed now.

              • Roar Rookie

                November 23rd 2017 @ 2:58pm
                The Original Buzz said | November 23rd 2017 @ 2:58pm | ! Report

                “I do enjoy how up and about blues fans get after a rare victory though,and how they actually beg me for my appraisal and approval of the performance,very flattering indeed.”

                More comedy gold, Mattyb. Keep up the good work and stay original, it never gets stale.
                Everyone is “up and about” after their team wins, regardless of who the team is.
                You are the guru on all things Carlton, that is why we beg and grovel for your approval.

                Seriously though, I would be interested in seeing the answers to Macca’s questions.

            • November 22nd 2017 @ 5:20pm
              Harsh Truth Harry said | November 22nd 2017 @ 5:20pm | ! Report

              Come off it Macca….my Auntie could have built a flag list with all the concessions GWS got and she passed away 7 years ago! In effect, you have validated my point…SOS is only now finding how difficult it is to start from the shattered shell left behind by Malthouse…WITHOUT what he was used to at GWS…

              • November 22nd 2017 @ 6:33pm
                Macca said | November 22nd 2017 @ 6:33pm | ! Report

                The Suns got concessions and look where it got them.

                No wonder you and Mattyb are good mates, you both make claims and then are unable to back them up- it put up or sh- t up tome HTH

              • Roar Guru

                November 23rd 2017 @ 8:51pm
                Dalgety Carrington said | November 23rd 2017 @ 8:51pm | ! Report

                GWS concessions were substantially more generous than the Suns’.

              • November 23rd 2017 @ 9:48pm
                Macca said | November 23rd 2017 @ 9:48pm | ! Report

                Yeah Dalgety – the differences completely explain one team making 2 prelims in a row and the other finishing 17th

              • Roar Guru

                November 23rd 2017 @ 10:11pm
                Dalgety Carrington said | November 23rd 2017 @ 10:11pm | ! Report


              • November 23rd 2017 @ 10:28pm
                Macca said | November 23rd 2017 @ 10:28pm | ! Report

                Yeah, OK – this coming from someone who thinks the Suns giving up pick 2 was a good idea.

      • Editor

        November 22nd 2017 @ 11:52am
        Josh Elliott said | November 22nd 2017 @ 11:52am | ! Report

        I don’t think there’s any chance of Cerra being available at the Blues pick – he’d be a perfect fit for the Saints and doubt he even gets that far. But there’s definitely the potential for someone very, very good to slide there.

        • November 22nd 2017 @ 12:02pm
          Macca said | November 22nd 2017 @ 12:02pm | ! Report

          Yeah – it is a dream built around a set of unlikely events but I can dream.

          The big thing is that if all 3 of them are available at 6 and Collingwood go for a Brander or Fogarty as many expect there is a good possibility we get 1 of the 3.

          • Roar Rookie

            November 23rd 2017 @ 3:03pm
            The Original Buzz said | November 23rd 2017 @ 3:03pm | ! Report

            From what I can gather, the Pies are looking at Fogarty so it may happen yet.

            • November 23rd 2017 @ 3:13pm
              Macca said | November 23rd 2017 @ 3:13pm | ! Report

              Buzz – Hopefully the top 5 will go something like


              If the pies take Fogarty at 6, there is talk the Saints will take Coffield with 1 of their picks and probably Cerra with the other – that leaves the bulldogs at 9 with Bonar, Clark & Stephenson still on the table.

              • November 23rd 2017 @ 3:19pm
                Jon boy said | November 23rd 2017 @ 3:19pm | ! Report

                First 4 yeah hopefully pick 5 does not go to freo we do not want anyone with kicking problems there a lot of kids in the draft who really can kick really well .

              • November 23rd 2017 @ 3:24pm
                Macca said | November 23rd 2017 @ 3:24pm | ! Report

                If you blokes don’t take naughton whop would it be? Stephenson? Cerra?

              • November 23rd 2017 @ 3:38pm
                Jon boy said | November 23rd 2017 @ 3:38pm | ! Report

                Cerra,Stephenson,Brayshaw,Fogarty and even Kelly are way better than Naughton. He is talented but even Bondy said you have to take the best. He will only go 11-20 if some team needs a Backman desperately only my opinion though others will disagree .