Was this the week Australia finally became a football nation?

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    This was one of the most dramatic weeks ever in Australian football, as the world game finally made its presence felt and helped us take another step towards creating a genuine football culture.

    How could you look past the saga of Ange Postecoglou as the story of the year, let alone the week?

    His decision to step down as Socceroos coach caught everyone off guard on Wednesday – including the mainstream media, which covered the shock announcement with relish.

    For once the major outlets willingly pursued a Socceroos story, instead of delivering the faux-enthusiasm and hackneyed stereotypes we’re usually lumbered with.

    Want a measure of Postecoglou’s success? How about the fact the rest of the country cares about the national team again?

    Ange Postecoglou Football Australia Socceroos 2017

    On Tuesday, we had the FFA Cup final. It would have been worth discussing even without that incredible finish.

    But then Michael Marrone went and crash-tackled the ball boy.

    I’ve got to be honest – and with the greatest of respect to the two protagonists – but when I saw the replay, I couldn’t help but laugh. It was just such an Oz football thing to do!

    Marrone is not a dirty player. He’s one of the nicest blokes around. But all his heartfelt apologies and “sincere regrets” won’t spare him from a lengthy ban.

    Already the players’ association has slammed Football Federation Australia for citing Marrone, which probably saves the rest of us from doing so.

    To quote David Gallop, the situation was indeed “unfortunate”. But what on earth was the ball boy doing?

    How often have we seen ball kids around the world play a vital role for their team by taking an eternity to hand the ball back to the opposition, or in the case of the FFA Cup final, shielding it altogether?

    The whole thing happened in a split second and was probably as much a result of Marrone being unable to halt his momentum on the slippery touchline, as it was anything malicious.

    As for the ball boy, the fact he was on stage receiving a medal along with the triumphant Sydney FC players says everything.

    Think the Sky Blues cared about the drama? Not for a second.

    It wasn’t even the only incident involving a ball kid this week! When the Newcastle Jets thumped Melbourne Victory 4-1 overnight, a quick-thinking ball girl played a key role in Newcastle’s third.

    It was former Victory man Andrew Nabbout who had the presence of mind to take the quick throw to play in Joey Champness to score, but Nabbout only had the ball in the first place because a Jets ball girl chucked a spare one to him while the Victory defence was looking elsewhere.

    It’s a scene we’ve seen played out hundreds of times in Europe, only this time the ball girl’s antics were taking place in our humble little league.

    And I’ve got a confession to make. I love watching midweek football.

    Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday – whenever. I’d venture to say I’m far more likely to be in front of my TV on a weeknight, like I was for the Matildas 3-0 win over China on Wednesday night, than I am on a Saturday afternoon.

    I feel like that’s an important distinction to make, because plenty of us – myself included – have been critical of midweek action in the past.

    But as Fox Sports’ executive producer of football Murray Shaw highlighted when he dropped me a line during the week, the lowest-rating FFA Cup final to date was the 2015 edition – and that was played on a Saturday.

    So there are no plans to move future FFA Cup finals back to a weekend any time soon.

    Adrian Mierzejewski of Sydney FC trips over Matt Simon of Adelaide United

    It just means we need to start making a habit of turning up to midweek fixtures, like fans manage to do in Europe for the UEFA Champions League.

    If nothing else, we’ve had plenty to talk about this week.

    Our football may be weird and wild at times, but at least it’s ours.

    Mike Tuckerman
    Mike Tuckerman

    Mike Tuckerman is a Sydney-born journalist and lifelong football fan. After lengthy stints watching the beautiful game in Germany and Japan, he settled in Brisbane, and has been a leading Roar football columnist from December 2008.

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    • November 24th 2017 @ 7:40am
      jamesb said | November 24th 2017 @ 7:40am | ! Report

      Another thing you could add to Australian football this week is that the FIFA rankings came out overnight. Australia has moved four places to 39.

      When Ange took over in October 2013, Australia was ranked 57. All I can is thank you Ange.

      With midweek football, I don’t mind if it’s FFA Cup, ACL or Matildas. But I don’t think the A League should be played on a school night like Thursday night. Keep it to Friday- Sunday.

      • November 24th 2017 @ 8:16am
        Leonard said | November 24th 2017 @ 8:16am | ! Report

        And neither do I “think the A League should be played on a school night like Thursday night”. Nor any of our top tier sports competitions – with some valid and reasonable exceptions (see below). As for “a school night like Thursday night”, it is also for most of us a night AFTER a day’s work, AND a night BEFORE another day’s work (and school).

        Now, some readers might go, ‘Hey, you’re yelling the obvious here!’ To which I’d quietly say, ‘Yes, to you and me, but NOT to [overpaid, up-themselves] suits in offices at desks staring at screens’.

        Thursdays seem to have a narco trance-like hold over these suits. Last season, the AFL rostered several Thursday ‘by popular demand’ night games – result: lower average crowds. Worse cricket’s suits keep scheduling Thursday Day Ones for five-day Tests – anyone who knows anything about Tests, especially Ashes Tests, knows that there is a magic in the air for Day One, session one, over one, ball one. So what do CA’s bunnies do? They ‘do’ Thursdays, that’s what.Two whole days before a school and work free day for the punters, that’s what. And, I say, bugger ‘commercial considerations’ and ‘corporate responsibilities’ – the game’s the thing.

        Of course some – a few – Thursdays make sense, like before public holidays like Good Friday and Anzac Day, and for a stand-alone game like the AFL’s now customary (not old enough for ‘traditional’ yet) Thursday Night season opener. Or maybe some one-off special event. Forget the rest.

        • November 24th 2017 @ 9:33am
          chris said | November 24th 2017 @ 9:33am | ! Report

          Agree 100%

        • November 24th 2017 @ 9:36am
          punter said | November 24th 2017 @ 9:36am | ! Report

          Crowds are not driving funding, viewing is (traditional or not).

          • November 24th 2017 @ 5:17pm
            LuckyEddie said | November 24th 2017 @ 5:17pm | ! Report

            No crowd no viewers equals boring. Empty stadiums mean lazy ‘supporters’ who think by watching FOX they are helping the game. Good crowds would get marketing companies and the media interested but that would mean some ‘fans’ would have to go. Funny how people can make the event games.

        • November 24th 2017 @ 10:12am
          punter said | November 24th 2017 @ 10:12am | ! Report

          Wrong tab.

        • November 24th 2017 @ 10:14am
          Post_hoc said | November 24th 2017 @ 10:14am | ! Report

          why are you here?

        • November 24th 2017 @ 10:21am
          jamesb said | November 24th 2017 @ 10:21am | ! Report

          “scheduled 8 thursday games for the 2017 home and away season”

          Maybe they should schedule 20 odd Thursday night games like the NRL.

        • November 24th 2017 @ 10:23am
          valhalla said | November 24th 2017 @ 10:23am | ! Report

          perhaps your energies should be directed at leonard who used the afl to advance his argument

          as an aside, if the mention of afl offends you so much on this tab, why didnt you raise your concerns with leonard when you wrote – “Crowds are not driving funding, viewing is (traditional or not).”

          guess it all seemed innocuous enough when the falacious arguments advanced by leonard supported his argument that thursday nights were a graveyard for crowd numbers …… but they arnt … and evidence has been provided

        • November 24th 2017 @ 10:48am
          valhalla said | November 24th 2017 @ 10:48am | ! Report

          a post challenging the fact free claims that thursday night afl crowds are in decline was removed ….. no-one asked or prompted leonard to make the claim (or indeed use the afl to advance this claim) …. he did so in the belief it would advance his argument that thursday night crowds are a graveyard ….. evidence was provided to show they are not

          are soccer folk that insecure?

          • November 24th 2017 @ 11:02am
            Post_hoc said | November 24th 2017 @ 11:02am | ! Report

            don’t like it? There is the door, bye bye

          • November 24th 2017 @ 11:05am
            valhalla said | November 24th 2017 @ 11:05am | ! Report

            not getting your identity fix from todays fact free echo chamber huh???

            • November 24th 2017 @ 11:22am
              Fadida said | November 24th 2017 @ 11:22am | ! Report

              I thought you’d be on the AFL tab valhalla, reading”AFL Phantom draft top 25, rumours, bolters and sliders”? From the article’s headline it looks very mysterious. The 17 comments, the most on an AFL article today, makes one wonder why the AFL community are diving into the football (sockah) tab?

              A quick look at the headlines suggest pretty much every article is on the “draft” , with none of them hitting double figures for comments, a consistent pattern for days. The game really is in hibernation isn’t it? How many times can you rehash “who’s getting the 16 yo from Geelong Grammar? I guess that’s why you’re all here. Voyeurs.

              • November 24th 2017 @ 12:31pm
                j,binnie said | November 24th 2017 @ 12:31pm | ! Report

                Fads – Facts speak for themselves.
                Last season the HAL had attracted 497,000 to the 35 matches completed . Today the same 35 game figure stands at 440,000, that being a reduction of around 1,630 per match.
                The strange thing is that last year in those 35 games we had 10 sub 10,000 crowds.
                This season so far we have had 13 sub 10,000 crowds,but only 2 of those sub 10,000 crowd games have been played on a Thursday evening, so there is no overwhelming evidence to suggest Thursday night is a bad time for a game.(The other 10 “low” crowds have been played on Friday Saturday and Sunday).
                Are there any other reasons for the reductions from last year?
                Strangely enough there are. One of the best supported clubs in recent years has been WSW who have been forced to play at a different ground this season.
                This has seen their average crowd drop from last season’s 17,750 to this season’s (so far) 11,950.
                Using the same criteria Roar’s home gates have dropped from 13,900 to 10,900.
                Those 2 alone make up for 9000, of the “missing” 57,000
                However there are some good signs in the results so far. Perth, (+ 2000), Adelaide (+3,500),Jets (+ 2000),Victory (+4000), Sydney (+1000) all helping to equate the totals with only Wellington and CCM seemingly “stuck” around the same figures.
                Now it has to be remembered that “averages” tend to “drop” as a season progresses but it is now that clubs like WSW and Roar should be taking note on how to change their marketing strategies. Cheers jb.

              • November 24th 2017 @ 12:40pm
                Kangajets said | November 24th 2017 @ 12:40pm | ! Report

                J b

                I can assure that the Newcastle Jets crowds will be increasing up to more like 12-13000 now we believe we have a good team .

              • November 24th 2017 @ 1:31pm
                Fadida said | November 24th 2017 @ 1:31pm | ! Report

                I’m not talking about crowds though jb, and not by any means disagreeing with your comment btw. I’m simply wondering why so many fans of AFL are spending so much time on a site for football fans, but not on their own?

            • November 24th 2017 @ 11:39am
              valhalla said | November 24th 2017 @ 11:39am | ! Report

              take it up with leonard …. of his own free will he chose to make the false claim that afl thursday night crowds are impacting the overall afl crowd average

              why would he make a false claim on a soccer thread???? perhaps he did it to assuage the soccer echo chamber diehards with the unpleasant reality that thursday night soccer crowds are poor

              in an era of trumpian false media nonsense, i would have thought everyore was interested in correcting the record where possible

              • November 24th 2017 @ 12:03pm
                Fadida said | November 24th 2017 @ 12:03pm | ! Report

                Answer the question valhalla, why are you here reading false claims to start with? Is it because AFL is in hibernation, it’s attempts to drum up stories in the off season failing? Traffic on the tab suggests so, which is why you are all on the football tab, trying to create trouble.

                A form of bullying really. Insecure and bored

              • November 24th 2017 @ 12:15pm
                Fadida said | November 24th 2017 @ 12:15pm | ! Report

                And we know how bullying ends up, the bully end up running a junk yard in his little country town, the kid he bullied works for a big company, becomes a doctor, has a fulfilling career.

                I’m sure you’ll see the analogy

              • November 24th 2017 @ 12:54pm
                valhalla said | November 24th 2017 @ 12:54pm | ! Report

                using facts to correct a false claim is bullying now???? fuzzball wont be happy to here that

              • November 24th 2017 @ 12:59pm
                valhalla said | November 24th 2017 @ 12:59pm | ! Report

                and again, take it up with loenard ….. no one pressured him to use the afl to justify why thursday night crowds across all sporting codes are poor ….. but false claim he did make

              • November 24th 2017 @ 1:33pm
                Fadida said | November 24th 2017 @ 1:33pm | ! Report

                Answer the question. Why aren’t you on the AFL tab? Is it because it has a laughable presence for half a year?

              • November 24th 2017 @ 1:43pm
                valhalla said | November 24th 2017 @ 1:43pm | ! Report

                this is a sports website yeah????? sports fans are free to visit this website yeah????? and can comment provided it meets certain guidelines regarding respect yeah????

                leonard was caught out peddling a falsehood ….. deal with it

              • November 24th 2017 @ 3:39pm
                Fadida said | November 24th 2017 @ 3:39pm | ! Report

                As you won’t answer I can only assume that there is nothing to read in the world of AFL then. Dormant. Luckily the football tab is running hot, giving you orphans something to do for 6 months of the year. No wonder you are so excited when AFL is referenced in a headline that didn’t involve the word “draft”. Football fans? There is so much to watch and read we don’t have time much else.

                While we are on the subject, can you explain what “bolters and sliders are”? One of the advantages of being a single country sport is that you can make up your own language, without fear of ridicule, like ,”hard ball gets” and “pure masculine physicality,”

              • November 24th 2017 @ 1:49pm
                punter said | November 24th 2017 @ 1:49pm | ! Report

                Struggling Valhalla, we simply don’t care.

              • November 24th 2017 @ 1:53pm
                valhalla said | November 24th 2017 @ 1:53pm | ! Report

                you cared enough to respond at 9.36 am to leonards original comment

                and someone cared enough to have my original post challenging leonards flasehood deleted …. so ahhhhh, someo of you care ….. some of you care quite a lot

              • November 24th 2017 @ 1:59pm
                punter said | November 24th 2017 @ 1:59pm | ! Report

                I cared in replying to say it’s viewership not crowds that the TV, internet etc interested in, nothing to do with the crowds of a sport I care little about, if I was interested I’d go to the AFL tab.

          • November 24th 2017 @ 11:19am
            Kangajets said | November 24th 2017 @ 11:19am | ! Report


            Don’t you an xafl , kick to kick , draft day or international rules game to go watch . Or go twitter Mickey Sheehan .

        • Roar Rookie

          November 24th 2017 @ 11:52am
          The FatMan said | November 24th 2017 @ 11:52am | ! Report

          I’ll only back up CA on their weekday fixtures. Thursday as Day 1 means that the two highest-demand days (1 & 2) are pre-booked and people roster days off. Day 3 is family day on a Saturday and usually has kids go in free. Day 4 on a Sunday is the best day for a walk up crowd and all that leaves is the possibly unnecessary Day 5 on the Monday, where the crowd is mostly made up of members. CA don’t even factor Day 5 crowd takings into their budget. If anything, this actually works against the wishes of Ch9, which is probably why they’re a driving force for day/nights tests.

          Also, the BBL is scheduled with different states’ school holidays as the primary factor.

        • November 25th 2017 @ 1:39am
          AR said | November 25th 2017 @ 1:39am | ! Report

          “Last season, the AFL rostered several Thursday ‘by popular demand’ night games – result: lower average crowds.”

          This is not true at all.

          Last season, there was 8 AFL matches rostered on Thursday nights in Melb, Geel, Syd, Adel & Per. The average for those matches was 42k.

          The season average was 34k.

          • November 26th 2017 @ 10:28am
            chris said | November 26th 2017 @ 10:28am | ! Report

            Thanks for clearing that up AR. I can sleep better now.

            • Roar Rookie

              November 26th 2017 @ 8:12pm
              Grobbelaar said | November 26th 2017 @ 8:12pm | ! Report

              It’s good to know that Thursday night crowds can be above-average attendances.

              As we grow to a 16 team top tier we will need to fixture more games on Thursday and Monday nights – the time as come for football fans to no longer be scared of mid-week fixturing.

      • November 24th 2017 @ 8:24am
        punter said | November 24th 2017 @ 8:24am | ! Report

        Well said James.

    • November 24th 2017 @ 7:47am
      Kangajets said | November 24th 2017 @ 7:47am | ! Report

      Tuesday Very good ffa cup final with Sydney and Adelaide delivering great goals

      Wednesday. Sam Kerr what a star

      And Thursday the jets spank the victory.

      As everyone knows. I never like to get carried away watching the Newcastle Jets , but I loved them dishing out some pain to a slow rudderless Kevin Muscat coached team.

      I still don’t think Berisha touched the ball last night .

      Just a another thought ,we celebrate the top foreign players like Fornaroli and Ninkovic in the A league and rightly so .

      But do we celebrate the Aussie’s that are doing superb enough .

      Eg. Dimi Petratos and the way he is playing , he is the star of the A league at the moment.

      • November 24th 2017 @ 7:58am
        punter said | November 24th 2017 @ 7:58am | ! Report

        Congrats for win last night Kanga & 100% correct on Petratos, he just needs to do it consistently & he will be in the Socceroos side. I have always thought Troisi, very good A-League player (not last night) but a pretender on the bigger stage, Petratos has the potential to take his spot.

        • November 24th 2017 @ 8:16am
          Fadida said | November 24th 2017 @ 8:16am | ! Report

          Troisi has been rotten for some time. He looks busted. The more bald he gets the worse he plays. Petratos has surely gone past him. He’s in glorious form.

          The Jets were brilliant, even with 11 v 11. MV had just one attempt on goal all game. The Jets were electrifyingly, MV ponderous.

          Victory in trouble no doubt. Recruiting – picking up another defensive mid when they lack attacking options. Letting Georgevski go and having Broxham as first choice left back. They lack pace and creativity. They lack a second striking option. Berisha is on the decline, not helped by a total lack of creativity.

          The tv cameras didn’t show it last night but Muscat walked off without shaking hands with Merrick. Berisha refused to shake Jets hands and ran off. They are feeling it.

          • November 24th 2017 @ 8:25am
            punter said | November 24th 2017 @ 8:25am | ! Report

            I’m loving it Fad.

          • November 24th 2017 @ 11:55am
            Midfielder said | November 24th 2017 @ 11:55am | ! Report

            DDS has passed him as well …

            • November 24th 2017 @ 1:07pm
              Kangajets said | November 24th 2017 @ 1:07pm | ! Report


              True abt Daniel de Silva . His impressive under a smart coach like Paul okon .

              I’m not yr typical jets fan who hates on ccm. Have been to ccm games the last 3 seasons and really like what okon is doing there . I think ccm can sneak into 6 th this season and we will get the 4 New South Wales teams against each other come finals time .

              • November 24th 2017 @ 1:34pm
                Fadida said | November 24th 2017 @ 1:34pm | ! Report

                Agree, I want them to do well. One of the best teams to watch

              • November 24th 2017 @ 3:14pm
                R King said | November 24th 2017 @ 3:14pm | ! Report

                An interesting thought Kanga. Assuming that 4 clubs from NSW and 2 from Victoria make up the final six, how well do you think the finals series will be supported in Perth, Adelaide, New Zealand and Brisbane. I know most of you will be saying “Who cares, they are only there to make up the numbers in any case” but as this is meant to be a national competition and some of us are so over the East Coast bias, I think for the sport it will be a total disaster if only two states make up the final series.

              • November 24th 2017 @ 3:32pm
                Kangajets said | November 24th 2017 @ 3:32pm | ! Report

                R King

                I suspect Adelaide will comfortably make the top 6 . Perth have terrific attack. They r a chance as are the Melbourne clubs

                The mariners are underdogs like the jets and I wish them well

                My thoughts are

                Sydney FC
                Ccm or Perth for 6 th.

                But long way to go and I could be well off the mark .

              • November 24th 2017 @ 3:40pm
                Fadida said | November 24th 2017 @ 3:40pm | ! Report

                Injuries as ever will be key. AU top 6 for me too.

              • Roar Guru

                November 24th 2017 @ 9:38pm
                Griffo said | November 24th 2017 @ 9:38pm | ! Report

                Think, then R King, what a pure, full-blown P/R could do to the ‘national’ football competition if only one or two states ended up being promoted.

                It took years for Perth to get a side into the NSL. Even with all the effort to create professional clubs, I think the potential loss of a full national footprint isn’t something the FFA would want.

                They may not have the choice in a few weeks time anyway in their current guise.

          • November 24th 2017 @ 9:36pm
            hogdriller said | November 24th 2017 @ 9:36pm | ! Report

            You’re right, Berisha did exit quickly after Muscat.
            Left wondering tho, whether Berisha ran off to console Muscat or simply just to cry on his shoulder like he normally does.

            • Roar Guru

              November 24th 2017 @ 9:49pm
              Griffo said | November 24th 2017 @ 9:49pm | ! Report

              Berisha wasnt happy all night.

              The stats may say otherwise but Victory were dishing out fouls that went unanswered but that wasn’t what hampered Berisha.

              Berisha isn’t getting the service to influence games like he’s use to and he’s getting frustrated.

              • November 24th 2017 @ 10:23pm
                Nemesis said | November 24th 2017 @ 10:23pm | ! Report

                Foul count.

                Jets 22
                MV 7

                Jets fouled Troisi 7 times, which is more fouls on MV playmaker than the fouls committed against whole Jets team.

                Leroy George was fouled a further 4 times.

                So cut out the nonsense about Berisha fouls.

                You can have your own opinion. You can’t have your own facts.

              • November 25th 2017 @ 12:31pm
                Kangajets said | November 25th 2017 @ 12:31pm | ! Report


                The victory players were way to slow to even try to foul the jets players

        • November 24th 2017 @ 10:29am
          Kangajets said | November 24th 2017 @ 10:29am | ! Report

          Cheers punter

          Terrific to see the jets win comfortably without Roy o Donovan.

          Petratos was exciting again . Champness continues to impress . The jets concede inside the first 10 minutes for the 6 th time this season is a concern though .

          The victory look slow and don’t seem to have someone to grab the game by the scruff of the neck . It’s bizarre to me that they lets players like Nabbout and Georgievski leave .

          The crowd of 8000 for a Thursday night was ok

          The next home game against Melbourne City on a Saturday night should see 13000 at least .

          • November 24th 2017 @ 2:13pm
            Midfielder said | November 24th 2017 @ 2:13pm | ! Report

            Whats up with Roy the Boy is he injured …

            • November 24th 2017 @ 2:25pm
              Kangajets said | November 24th 2017 @ 2:25pm | ! Report

              Roy o d
              Groin. 3-4 weeks , but who knows , might play next week

          • Roar Guru

            November 24th 2017 @ 9:53pm
            Griffo said | November 24th 2017 @ 9:53pm | ! Report

            Merrick post match presser was basically saying we don’t play football until we concede.

            Merrick is happy for us to let a goal in if it gets us angry and going for the jugular of the opponents keeper.

      • November 24th 2017 @ 10:31am
        Lionheart said | November 24th 2017 @ 10:31am | ! Report

        well done jets. I thought I was watching a Roar reunion, so many ex Roar players on the park.

        • November 24th 2017 @ 12:54pm
          j,binnie said | November 24th 2017 @ 12:54pm | ! Report

          Lionheart – Wasn’t Petratos an eye opener last night?. Given the freedom by his coach to roam the attacking third of the field ,with 2 hard tackling defensive midfielders doing his “defensive duties”, comparison between last night’s display and his many Roar outings were a bit hard to understand.
          Looks like another “star” has “slipped” the Roar fold, joining a team of Redmayne,,Geria, Donnachie, Zullo,Brattan,Nichols,Petratos, Barbarousas,Berisha, Fitzgerald,who are all now playing with Roar opposition. Makes you wonder who makes the decisions Cheers jb.

          • November 24th 2017 @ 1:10pm
            Kangajets said | November 24th 2017 @ 1:10pm | ! Report

            J b

            I feel your pain re ex roar players

            So often I’ve sent ex jets players excelling at other clubs .

            But let’s enjoy petratos. He’s enjoying his football and it’s fantastic to watch .


            • November 24th 2017 @ 1:43pm
              j,binnie said | November 24th 2017 @ 1:43pm | ! Report

              Kanga – I”ve been too long in this game to feel pain when I see players performing well ,no matter what club they are with. Rather strangely I enjoy watching their improvement.
              However my feelings do go out to people like Waz and Lionheart, obviously dyed in the wool Roar supporters, who have to contend with watching these players playing so well after they have moved to other HAL identities.
              The galling thing is that most of the players I mentioned did show some promise when they were at Roar, some left to try their luck overseas, but upon return to OZ, their talent and promise appear to have been overlooked by their ex-club officialdom.
              That to me is sacrilege and must be galling to the 12,000 or so Roar fans who have to swallow what has gone on. Cheers jb..

              • November 24th 2017 @ 2:19pm
                Lionheart said | November 24th 2017 @ 2:19pm | ! Report

                JB I really enjoyed Dimi when he was at Roar. His improvement was obvious over a couple of years, and I suspect that his Roar critics (of whom there are very few) base their judgement on his early years. I’ve heard you say he was played out of position, I bow to your superior football expertise, but Roar built him from an aimless kid to a player with purpose (such that he attracted international attention). They did the same with Borrello, and Brattan, and possibly the others you name. Our development of youngsters has been superior to any of the other clubs and I have no idea who’s doing it.
                Take Joey Champness, a graduate of QAS I believe and certainly a Roar youth. Same with both the Ingham brothers, ex QAS as was Bratts and Dario Vidosic and a few of the Matildas. It’s demoralising that we let them go and get nothing for the hard work put into them. Mind you I really like the look of our current young crop.
                I heard Kossie say that when he first came to Qld he thought football here was ahead of the southern States by a few years (meaning youngster development), but he reckons they’ve caught up now. I’m not so sure.

              • November 24th 2017 @ 4:39pm
                j,binnie said | November 24th 2017 @ 4:39pm | ! Report

                Lionheart – My thoughts on Dimi at Roar did differ from my thoughts today and the difference is in the job he is being asked to do by the respective coaches. At Jets he appears to have the freedom of his team’s front third to do as he wishes and to be honest I don’t ever recall him being given that same role at Roar, in fact I used to question why he was not used up front where his ability to beat a man and shoot for goal was IMO ,sadly missed.
                Watch Dimi very carefully ,in Jet’s team he is very seldom ,if ever, called upon to do defensive duties and that certainly appears to suit his mindset to the game, for working back,tackling, and ball winning, are not his strong suits.
                Also, your thoughts on Roar’s ability to produce youngsters is just a fact of life, I can recall back in the late 1980’s when Alan Hunter, Stephen Jackson and Danny Wright all left Brisbane Lions to have extensive careers down south with club and country. So what is new.?
                What concerns me is the number of “known ” talents that leave Roar ,go overseas, and return, without any apparent effort to “lure” them back into the fold.
                Do you know of a reason? Cheers jb.

              • November 24th 2017 @ 6:58pm
                Lionheart said | November 24th 2017 @ 6:58pm | ! Report

                thanks JB. Dimi’s coach at Ulsan post our home ACL match last season, when asked what Dimi had to do to be a regular starter at Ulsan (he came off the bench a lot) said that he had to learn to move the ball quickly, which he generalised then as a trait of the HAL, players hold the ball too long. I’m a bit miffed that it didn’t work out for him in Koprea.

          • November 24th 2017 @ 5:21pm
            LuckyEddie said | November 24th 2017 @ 5:21pm | ! Report

            Why not take Petratos to Russia? If it’s supposed to be about age, playing regularly and in form he fits the bill. While we are at it why not make an offer to HAL’s best ever and most successful coach – Merrick.

            • November 24th 2017 @ 9:41pm
              hogdriller said | November 24th 2017 @ 9:41pm | ! Report

              I actually thought the same about Merrick whilst watching his post match interview.

    • Roar Rookie

      November 24th 2017 @ 7:58am
      Grobbelaar said | November 24th 2017 @ 7:58am | ! Report

      The South Americans love to say that there is no better way of tasting success than when you’re able to do something underhand against your rivals.

      Welcome to the world Australia!

      • November 24th 2017 @ 8:02am
        punter said | November 24th 2017 @ 8:02am | ! Report

        I always thought the Italians taught them that.
        I can still see my then 10 year daughter ripped off by an Italian shopkeeper & when I caught him up on it, well arms flaying everywhere & this was in Carlton.

        • November 24th 2017 @ 1:05pm
          j,binnie said | November 24th 2017 @ 1:05pm | ! Report

          Punter -The man who developed the “underhand ‘ football tactics was one Helenio Herrera, a master coach who dabbled in sports psychology.
          When “catenaccio” was first developed in Italy, mainly by coach Rocco, it was blatant fouling that was used to stop the play, but Herrera developed the little shirt tug, the sly dive, the minor trip and the all important , “appeal to the officials ” that any misdemeanor was an “accident”, into the overall tactic,making it not only unacceptable but downright game assassination.Herrera had huge success with this at Inter Milan until the” officials” finally “woke up’ to what his team was practicing . Cheers jb.

          • November 24th 2017 @ 3:23pm
            punter said | November 24th 2017 @ 3:23pm | ! Report

            Yes those Italians!!!

        • Roar Rookie

          November 24th 2017 @ 3:22pm
          Grobbelaar said | November 24th 2017 @ 3:22pm | ! Report

          I wouldn’t have thought there were too many Italian shop keepers left in Carlton these days.

          • November 24th 2017 @ 3:33pm
            punter said | November 24th 2017 @ 3:33pm | ! Report

            Yes, she’s not been 10 years old for a long time now.

    • November 24th 2017 @ 8:00am
      chris said | November 24th 2017 @ 8:00am | ! Report

      It was certainly a big week as you say Mike. Just on the ball boy issue, maybe we need to take them out of the equation? Maybe place a few baskets/bins along the sideline with a few balls inside them? That way the players taking the throws etc can just pick it out of the bin instead of relying on some brat kid ala the other night.

    • November 24th 2017 @ 8:21am
      peeeko said | November 24th 2017 @ 8:21am | ! Report

      an excellent week but the title of the article is an exaggeration

      • November 24th 2017 @ 8:40am
        chris said | November 24th 2017 @ 8:40am | ! Report

        couldn’t help yourself could you peeko

        • November 24th 2017 @ 8:42am
          punter said | November 24th 2017 @ 8:42am | ! Report

          He is right though Chris.

          • November 24th 2017 @ 8:57am
            chris said | November 24th 2017 @ 8:57am | ! Report

            How is he right? The headline didn’t say football has taken over, it merely states that the nation more fully appreciates what’s been happening.
            There was an interesting article in todays SMH:
            The gravy train of MSM dollars will slow down to a trickle.

            • November 24th 2017 @ 9:33am
              punter said | November 24th 2017 @ 9:33am | ! Report

              Thanks for article, interesting reading & totally agree, i have 2 daughters, just out of teens, 1 doesn’t watch anything on pay TV, the other a mixture. However & this a reason why traditional sports like Test cricket is dying (I still love it), is kids these days have the whole world in their hands, phones, tablets, PCs & internet, too many choices & so little time, they don’t even sit for a whole game of football (check this out on youtube, FB, etc) let alone a 5 day Test match.

              Huge week for football these past 2 weeks, however, we have a long way to go to be a football nation.

            • November 24th 2017 @ 11:24am
              peeeko said | November 24th 2017 @ 11:24am | ! Report

              chris, nothing has really changed from previous years. the headline is definitely click bait
              Football is a solid in the australian culture as it was 5 or 10 years ago

            • November 24th 2017 @ 12:22pm
              marco said | November 24th 2017 @ 12:22pm | ! Report

              Oh Chris !! think before one speaks
              NRL about to receive $1.8 Billion, AFL….. 2.5 Billion. The trickle is a flood for some!!

              • November 24th 2017 @ 1:05pm
                chris said | November 24th 2017 @ 1:05pm | ! Report

                Oh Marco! Thanks for the heads up! Those numbers were signed up way before FTA TV basically went broke. In fact its those ridiculous amounts that they paid to AFL and NRL thats put them in this position. That and along that certain demographics arent watching TV anymore. But you obviously feel very confident that AFL and NRL will flourish so good luck to you.

              • Roar Rookie

                November 26th 2017 @ 9:43am
                Grobbelaar said | November 26th 2017 @ 9:43am | ! Report

                When FTA finally goes broke by paying overs for the NRL and the AFL, football might ultimately be the beneficiary.

        • November 24th 2017 @ 11:25am
          peeeko said | November 24th 2017 @ 11:25am | ! Report

          i dont know what you mean by that Chris, not having a dig at football at all.

          • November 24th 2017 @ 1:06pm
            chris said | November 24th 2017 @ 1:06pm | ! Report

            Yeah I know you dont normally do that so was a bit surprised by your comment.

    • November 24th 2017 @ 8:34am
      Waz said | November 24th 2017 @ 8:34am | ! Report

      222,000 watched a “meaningless” Matilda’s friendly on tv as well.

      • November 24th 2017 @ 8:44am
        punter said | November 24th 2017 @ 8:44am | ! Report

        Amazing what a bit of marketing can do.

        • Roar Guru

          November 24th 2017 @ 9:10am
          spruce moose said | November 24th 2017 @ 9:10am | ! Report

          I’m fairly sure all 222,000 diligently took Nemesis’ advice and went on google or searched their local TV guide rather than be influenced by any marketing campaign.

          • November 24th 2017 @ 9:24am
            Nemesis said | November 24th 2017 @ 9:24am | ! Report

            If you are over the age of 6 years and you are too stupid to find out when, where & how to access TV information in the 21st century, you are not, and you never will be, someone I ever interact with in real life.

            So, if there are significant numbers of Aussies who need marketing to tell them when a sporting event is on, then Australia is the Land Of The Stupid.

            • Roar Guru

              November 24th 2017 @ 9:46am
              Adam said | November 24th 2017 @ 9:46am | ! Report

              Mate, I don’t know why you think your intellectually superior to all other sports fans…

              • November 24th 2017 @ 10:03am
                Nemesis said | November 24th 2017 @ 10:03am | ! Report

                I said people over the age of 6 years, who can’t figure out when a TV show is on, are stupid.

                No problem if you disagree with this. It’s my judgment that researching a TV show’s broadcast time is a a basic, routine skill that every 6 year old has mastered.

              • November 24th 2017 @ 11:02am
                Kangajets said | November 24th 2017 @ 11:02am | ! Report


                In footballing terms , what’s going wrong with the victory this season .
                Is Muscat under pressure for his job , if they were lose the next 2-3 games ?

                James Troisi and Berisha are unable to link up and create , they seem to be missing a dominant midfielder imo

              • November 24th 2017 @ 11:05am
                Post_hoc said | November 24th 2017 @ 11:05am | ! Report

                My thoughts, they are missing a good number 10. Berisha is too good, this is a mental thing for him at the moment, he is doubting/angry/ something but his head isn’t right, get that right he will be fine, but I just don’t think they have the creativity there.

              • November 24th 2017 @ 11:15am
                Kangajets said | November 24th 2017 @ 11:15am | ! Report

                Isn’t Troisi supposed to be their number 10. He just seems uninterested . His off season endeavour to go overseas has maybe carrying over into a lack of effort on the field .

                It’s starting to me that they let Georgievski go to the jets and thought Leigh broxhzm was an adequate left back .

                In hindsight the victory will be looking at Nabbout and Connor pain
                and think we let them walk and signed Mitch Austin and jai Ingham .
                Terrible recruiting by Muscat and his staff .

              • November 24th 2017 @ 11:07am
                spruce moose said | November 24th 2017 @ 11:07am | ! Report

                And yet you still can’t see the flaw in your argument Nem…

              • November 24th 2017 @ 11:18am
                Nemesis said | November 24th 2017 @ 11:18am | ! Report

                I don’t think anything has gone wrong at Victory. Last night comprehensively beaten by the in-form team over the 8 weeks.

                The other losses were due to an own goal vs Sydney who everyone rates highly & 1 goal loss to City whom everyone gushed about .. until they started losing recently.

                So, doubt there’s anything wrong at Victory. The team is just not as good as the teams who are in-form. That’s football. Some teams will be strong & others will not.

                It’s a shame there’s no Relegation since a season for Victory playing in the 2nd Division would provide many benefits – for the ALeague, the 2nd Division & even MV fans to see their team against competition more matched to their current level.

              • November 24th 2017 @ 11:21am
                Post_hoc said | November 24th 2017 @ 11:21am | ! Report


                Troisi just isn’t creative enough, Victory need someone to be pulling the strings, to draw defence for them to play Berisha in, or to move the ball out wide. Troisis just sin’t that sort of player, he seems to want to run at the defence. Works for some, but not working for victory

              • November 24th 2017 @ 11:30am
                Nemesis said | November 24th 2017 @ 11:30am | ! Report

                “In hindsight the victory will be looking at Nabbout and Connor pain and think we let them walk and signed Mitch Austin and jai Ingham . Terrible recruiting by Muscat and his staff ”

                Utter nonsense.

                Nabbout was a fat, lazy kid when he played at MV. Ange & Muscat gave him lots of chances: 40 appearances for MV over 3 seasons for 5 goals. And 2 of those goals were in his debut match. He ended up in Thailand where he also got delisted. His career was over but he asked Jets if he could train with them & they eventually signed him.

                Pain was also given lots of opportunity. Another lazy footballer. 54 appearances for MV over 4 years and scored 3 goals.

                Glad to see them both succeed at new clubs.

                Danny Georgievski was terrific in his opening season when MV won everything. Then for next 2 season he’s been awful. Again, he’s a terrific bloke & glad he’s doing well again.

                Point is. MVFC gave all these guys the opportunity & the pressure of playing at a big club must’ve been too big a burden for them.

              • November 24th 2017 @ 12:46pm
                Kangajets said | November 24th 2017 @ 12:46pm | ! Report


                Fair comments te the above players .

                I miss Rojas in the A league . Where is he ?

          • November 24th 2017 @ 11:32am
            Kangajets said | November 24th 2017 @ 11:32am | ! Report


            The 220000 would be as impressed as I was about Sam Kerr and the Matilda’s. I’d love to think those girls could win a World Cup soon .

            • November 24th 2017 @ 11:36am
              jamesb said | November 24th 2017 @ 11:36am | ! Report

              They have the squad to win a world cup. It all comes down to on the day, especially in the knockout stages.

            • November 24th 2017 @ 12:20pm
              Betty B said | November 24th 2017 @ 12:20pm | ! Report

              Their next tournament is the Asia Cup, in Jordan next April, which will double as qualifiers for the 2019 World Cup (France September 19).
              They’re building toward the WC, but so too is everyone else. Two years is a long time, but we do have a fairly young squad. We should do better than our fourth (from memory) at last years Algarve Cup where we last came up against the developing European teams Netherlands and Denmark (who played in the Euros final recently)

            • Roar Guru

              November 24th 2017 @ 1:09pm
              spruce moose said | November 24th 2017 @ 1:09pm | ! Report


              Count me as one of the 220,000.

          • November 24th 2017 @ 11:59am
            Midfielder said | November 24th 2017 @ 11:59am | ! Report

            Just on both the FFA Cup & the Matilda’s match, a mate sent me a text giving a youtube channel… one was youtube m8, and other youtube m2, and I got the clearest scream I have ever had and I was wondering if anyones has heard of what this is …

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