Guess which Aussie all-rounder’s in the mix for an Ashes recall?

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    Australia’s great allrounder debate is set to be reignited next week, with Mitch Marsh having resumed bowling after his shoulder reconstruction.

    National selectors named a 13-man squad for the first and second Ashes Tests and will be reluctant to change a winning side should Australia grab a 2-0 lead in the five-match series.

    But they will also be keen to give frontline pacemen Mitchell Starc, Josh Hazlewood and Pat Cummins some form of respite during the remaining Tests.

    “At the moment it’s OK (without an allrounder) but you certainly look at it,” coach Darren Lehmann said.

    “They’re just handy when you have that long second innings … and if you get an injury during the game.

    “Some of the allrounders aren’t knocking down the door like they should be.”

    Glenn Maxwell, who was flown to Brisbane as cover only to be released for Sheffield Shield duty, smacked a career-best 278 for Victoria last week. Unfortunately for the Victorian, the selection panel is far more likely to prefer an allrounder who bowls medium-pace.

    If so, Marsh and fellow West Australian Marcus Stoinis would be at the front of the queue.

    Marsh played the early stages of the domestic season as a batsman then came off the long run during a recent Sheffield Shield match in Perth, where he also posted a ton.

    “Just get through some overs really,” Lehmann said, when asked how much Marsh must bowl to be considered for Test selection.

    “We rate him highly and his output with the bat’s been really impressive this summer.

    “He’s an option with another few allrounders if we go down that path, but it’s good to see him back bowling.”

    Maxwell could hardly have responded better after he was dropped from the Test XI.

    “It was just ‘go away and get hundreds’ and he got 200! He did well, it was great,” Lehmann said.

    England’s reluctance to take on Nathan Lyon, who is in career-best form, meant the offspinner bowled long spells in the Gabba.

    If Lyon was hit out of the attack in any of the four remaining Tests it means the workloads of Starc, Hazlewood and Cummins could significantly rise.

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    • Roar Guru

      November 29th 2017 @ 7:52am
      Chris Kettlewell said | November 29th 2017 @ 7:52am | ! Report

      Marsh’s bowling is not the issue. He’s clearly the best bowler of the allrounder options, but his returns in general have been more akin to a bowling allrounder than a batting allrounder. He needs to score more consistent runs in first class cricket. Great that he got a hundred in the first innings of the WACA match in clearly nice batting conditions where lots of runs were scored, but he needs to be consistently scoring runs to be considered for a top-6 batting spot. There’s no way he’d have made the 50 his brother made in the Gabba test just gone. I think his batting is still a long way from being a test top-6 batsman.

      • Roar Guru

        November 29th 2017 @ 8:28am
        The Bush said | November 29th 2017 @ 8:28am | ! Report

        He should have spent the whole season batting and not worried about bowling. Average 50 for the season and prove you can do it with the bat. Hardly like he’s gonna forget how to bowl…

        • November 29th 2017 @ 8:38am
          Basil said | November 29th 2017 @ 8:38am | ! Report

          I agree. We’ve heard of bowlers such as MJ and Pattinson returning from injury and solely concentrating on batting for a season and later reaping the rewards from that. I think Marsh can do the same.

          Marsh currently has no bowling form behind him and Stoinis no real form of any kind so I feel it’s a little unfair to other players around the country for these guys to get a mention at this time.

          • Roar Guru

            November 29th 2017 @ 9:21am
            Edward L'Orange said | November 29th 2017 @ 9:21am | ! Report

            Totally agree with you guys, he should not put too much time into bowling, but concentrate on bating. I’ve been really impressed with his batting form, but he needs to keep it up for a season. Maybe roll his arm over to keep his fitness up, but not really focus on it.

            Imagine if he could actually bat in test cricket.

            • December 1st 2017 @ 12:50pm
              Don Freo said | December 1st 2017 @ 12:50pm | ! Report

              Some funny theories. Of course he should bat and bowl. It’s what he does. It’s what Australia wants him to do.

              You sound as if you would use Nat Fyfe or Paddy Dangerfield as a tagger or Tim Cahill as a goalkeeper.

        • Roar Guru

          November 29th 2017 @ 2:35pm
          Chris Kettlewell said | November 29th 2017 @ 2:35pm | ! Report

          I think he still needs to bowl. The point of him being considered would be as an allrounder. He’s not going to be picked as the next best pure batsman in the country. He’s nowhere near that. But the point is that it’s the batting that is where he needs to be putting most of his work and efforts into improving. He was always good enough with the ball to be usable as the fifth bowler. But the position he’s up for is a top 6 batting spot, meaning he needs to be able to be able to average at least on the high side of 35 at test level, meaning he probably wants to be averaging 40+ at first class level.

          I still think that Marsh is a long way from being ready for a test cricket recall, but he is still the most likely option among active players to be able to become that #6 batting allrounder type player.

      • Roar Guru

        November 29th 2017 @ 8:37am
        Michael Keeffe said | November 29th 2017 @ 8:37am | ! Report

        I think in terms of bowling Marsh has a rival in the all-rounder stakes with Jack Wildermuth who has an equal if not better bowling fc record albeit at an earlier career stage. Unfortunately for Wildermuth his batting is on a par with Marsh and needs work and consistency before he could play at international level. I’m sure unlike Marsh he won’t be rushed into the Aussie team based on potential and will have the time to develop his game further.

        • November 29th 2017 @ 8:46am
          jamesb said | November 29th 2017 @ 8:46am | ! Report

          I think Wildermuth is the new James Hopes. Consistent at first class level, but not good enough for tests.

        • Roar Guru

          November 29th 2017 @ 12:01pm
          Ryan H said | November 29th 2017 @ 12:01pm | ! Report

          Young Wildermuth looks quality. I wonder how long it might be before he goes to the top of the list. Maybe in 1-2 seasons time. His numbers aren’t quite there yet, but the biggest advantage is he could become a solid enough batsman to bat in the top six in his own right, and his bowling allows him to bowl first or second change quite easily.

          So far this season he has 195 runs and 14 wickets from four matches. His bowling looks to have really improved more recently.

          • November 29th 2017 @ 1:07pm
            JohnB said | November 29th 2017 @ 1:07pm | ! Report

            Being compared to James Hopes is high praise. He produced seriously good numbers for a number of years (far better numbers than those of several who got a chance at test cricket). He was unfortunate in that he took a while to get going in his career and he was past 30 for much of that prolonged run of good form. Whether his game would have translated to test cricket – it’s a fair question to ask but who can say with certainty. Wildermuth had a good game against WA (overall, as good a game as Mitch Marsh’s) and has been chipping in consistently with the ball this season but needs runs to move from prospect to contender. While he doesn’t seem to be bowling, Ashton Turner made important runs against Qld (again).

            • December 1st 2017 @ 2:36pm
              Don Freo said | December 1st 2017 @ 2:36pm | ! Report

              Turner’s shoulder won’t allow him to bowl.

              The one who does have Test prospect about him is Tom Rogers. (Not for a while). They seem to bowl him late but he is a full on fast/medium who is taking 2 and 3 wickets / innings.

              It’s his batting that impresses me. They have him coming in at #8 but he i s one of the few Tassie bats that hasn’t crumbled under pressure. Certainly gone past Faulkner down there with the bat. Excellent stroke player with very fast hands.

              Seems to have that steel that will not roll over.

              • December 1st 2017 @ 3:03pm
                George said | December 1st 2017 @ 3:03pm | ! Report

                Hard to get time at the crease for Tassie with that behemoth of willow wielders Wade in the top six.

          • November 29th 2017 @ 1:15pm
            jamesb said | November 29th 2017 @ 1:15pm | ! Report

            He averages 27 with both bat and ball. He does average 21 with the ball so far this season. Who knows, he may make it as a frontline seamer and a handy lower order bat.

            If Wildermuth wants to bat in the top six for Australia, he needs to improve his average by 10 IMO ( or at least be in great form with the bat like Bancroft). As for the idea been floated around with Bancroft as a keeper at six to accommodate someone like Wildermuth or M.Marsh, we need young openers to score runs like Renshaw or Weatherald to shift Bancroft to six.

          • Roar Guru

            November 29th 2017 @ 2:44pm
            Chris Kettlewell said | November 29th 2017 @ 2:44pm | ! Report

            Hopes was really more a bowling allrounder. I wouldn’t have considered him ever as a top 6 batsman. And as an allrounder basically replaces either a batsman or a bowler, you either need to be in the top 3 pace bowlers in the country and then your batting just allows a strengthening of the tail, or be good enough with the bat to in the top 6. While Hopes was a decent cricketer, he was never close to either of these positions.

            And while this may be more an impression than reality, I always felt like, when he was Qld captain, that he really looked after himself with the ball, bowling when there was a good chance of getting a wicket, and giving the ball to others when it was tougher to bowl. Again, it was an impression I got from what I saw. I’m not saying that’s definitely the case.

            • November 29th 2017 @ 4:46pm
              JohnB said | November 29th 2017 @ 4:46pm | ! Report

              I’d basically agree with your first paragraph, certainly the second sentence having said much the same myself many times! Hopes struck me as being closer to qualifying than some who were tried, but he was never the 6th best batsman or 4th best bowler in the country (but was he close enough to being a tie?!). All academic now.

              Hopes became more and more of a frontline bowler for Qld as he went along – often opening the bowling. I’m not sure how you measure “looking after yourself” as a bowler, which I would take to mean bowling yourself against the tail, not bowling when the pitch was flat and the batsmen set, and grabbing the ball when conditions suited. Given that for the last few years of his career he both bowled the most overs for Qld across each season, and took the most wickets, I think that’s unlikely to be a justified impression. It would be very difficult to both be choosy when you bowl and bowl a lot. Impressions can sometimes develop easily and then be hard to get rid of.

              • December 1st 2017 @ 2:45pm
                Don Freo said | December 1st 2017 @ 2:45pm | ! Report

                That standard for an all rounder is not realistic. It would be great if we had it…as we probably did when Watson opened the batting but it has hardly ever happened anywhere.

                Imran, Kapil Dev and Botham with the ball and Sobers with the bat and they were the greatest ever.

                Imran and Kapil would never be picked on batting alone. Sobers might have been his country’s 6th or 7th best bowler. Richard Hadlee’s batting was not as good as Starc, Johnson or Cummins.

                Lehmann’s comments are excellent.

              • December 1st 2017 @ 3:01pm
                George said | December 1st 2017 @ 3:01pm | ! Report

                I was agreeing with you until you underestimated Hadlee’s batting: first class average of 31.7 and Test average of 27.

              • December 2nd 2017 @ 12:47pm
                Don Freo said | December 2nd 2017 @ 12:47pm | ! Report

                About the same as the 3 I mentioned…and Mitch is not far from that despite only just starting his test journey.

            • Roar Guru

              November 29th 2017 @ 5:36pm
              Rellum said | November 29th 2017 @ 5:36pm | ! Report

              Yeah that is not a fair comment of Hopes at all and pretty low.

              He carried that QLD team with Hartley. Leading with the ball and the bat. He played many innings that pulled us out of the fire and was a key member of the attack.

      • November 29th 2017 @ 9:15am
        jameswm said | November 29th 2017 @ 9:15am | ! Report

        He’s a test no.7 option. That’s only possible if you have a keeper batting in the top 6…like Bancroft.

        • Roar Guru

          November 29th 2017 @ 2:47pm
          Chris Kettlewell said | November 29th 2017 @ 2:47pm | ! Report

          I can’t see them moving Bancroft from opening to keeping now that they’ve gone with him as an opener. We don’t have a Gilchrist / de Kock, Bairstow type keeper in the country at the moment who is good enough to be a genuine top 6 batsman, so #7 really isn’t an option.

          Hence my comment that he really just needs to work hard on his batting, so he’s able to average 40+ at first class level (and then can hopefully translate that to at least 35+ at test level).

    • November 29th 2017 @ 8:10am
      fp11 said | November 29th 2017 @ 8:10am | ! Report

      God no, anyone but another Marsh!

      • December 1st 2017 @ 2:48pm
        Don Freo said | December 1st 2017 @ 2:48pm | ! Report

        Do you really think anyone who follows cricket sees that as a cricket comment? You base cricket knowledge on a name?

        • December 1st 2017 @ 2:58pm
          George said | December 1st 2017 @ 2:58pm | ! Report

          It’s what the selectors have done since 2011.

          • December 2nd 2017 @ 12:50pm
            Don Freo said | December 2nd 2017 @ 12:50pm | ! Report

            How many tests do you think they have played in that time? 70 or 80? They have played 20.

    • Roar Rookie

      November 29th 2017 @ 8:51am
      Lancey5times said | November 29th 2017 @ 8:51am | ! Report

      Khawaja to open, Smith at 3, Handscomb and Smarsh up a spot, Bancroft at 6 with the gloves, Mmarsh at 7.

      When either Marsh fails and gets dropped, bring in Maxi

      Problem solved

      • November 29th 2017 @ 9:17am
        jameswm said | November 29th 2017 @ 9:17am | ! Report

        Or else swap bancroft and Marsh.

        Or else Bancroft keeps and opens. If we’re in the field and he’s batting soon, give the gloves to Handscomb for the last hour, to give him a rest. Not that he seems to need it – tough bugger.

        For the 50% of times we win the toss and bat it’s not an issue (keeping and opening).

        • Roar Guru

          November 29th 2017 @ 2:51pm
          Chris Kettlewell said | November 29th 2017 @ 2:51pm | ! Report

          I think Bancroft could probably do it, as you say, he’s tough as anything. (Wrong guy to headbutt, you aren’t going to come off best from that encounter!) But it’s a massive burden to put on any player that I just can’t see the selectors ever risking it. Swapping Marsh and Bancroft would be possible.

          I still think that Marsh really just needs to spend all his time working on his batting and just get better with the bat. We don’t need the fifth bowler at the expense of batting if Lyon is bowling well enough to be able to bowl a lot of overs. But it’s a great bonus to have if he’s able to bring the level of his batting up enough to bat in the top 6. So don’t go and rush him in, let him play as much first class cricket as possible and work on his batting, including getting him a county contract in the off-season.

    • November 29th 2017 @ 8:54am
      jamesb said | November 29th 2017 @ 8:54am | ! Report

      Does Australia need an allrounder at six? With the way Nathan Lyon is bowling, probably not.

      When you have an in form spinner in the side, he could tie up at one end, while the captain can rotate the quicks at the other end.

      England needs an allrounder like Ben Stokes, because Ali does average 37 with the ball, whereas Lyon is at 31.

      • Roar Guru

        November 29th 2017 @ 9:15am
        JamesH said | November 29th 2017 @ 9:15am | ! Report

        I thought Smith bowled really well in his brief spell. It was the most accurate I’ve seen him for a while. He should back himself to do it more often.

        • Roar Guru

          November 29th 2017 @ 9:24am
          Edward L'Orange said | November 29th 2017 @ 9:24am | ! Report

          He’s been focusing on it a bit more apparently.

      • Roar Guru

        November 29th 2017 @ 2:55pm
        Chris Kettlewell said | November 29th 2017 @ 2:55pm | ! Report

        Agreed. Lyon is the key really. If he’s able to bowl well and the batsmen can’t get after him, then we can easily do with four bowlers. The fifth bowler becomes a real bonus, which means you don’t want to sacrifice the batting to get him in the side. Hence my comment above that he just needs to really focus on his batting (don’t stop bowling, but spend as much of his training time as possible working on his batting) and work out how to score lots of runs consistently.

        If he can turn himself into a viable top-6 batsman, then his bowling would be a real bonus. But that’s what he needs to do. Scoring a single hundred in nice batting conditions and bowling a few overs doesn’t suddenly mean he should be considered. That’s what you’d be looking for in a player who was pretty much a lock in the side and was returning from injury, not someone who’s never really done enough to show they belong at the highest level.

    • November 29th 2017 @ 9:30am
      paul said | November 29th 2017 @ 9:30am | ! Report

      It really scares me that Boof is thinking this way. Marsh is not a Test class bowler or a Test class batsman, yet he thinks Marsh might get back into the Australian side? That’s complete lunacy.

      Maybe Lehmann was busy coaching or something and didn’t see Australia’s first innings. At various times, we were 4 for 74 and 7 for 209. On the first occasion, a partnership between two genuine batsman got us out of a hole and on the second, a Test quality fast bowler who ca bat a bit, made some quality runs.

      Note to Boof, just because you like all rounders, doesn’t mean they should be picked for Test cricket, especially Ashes Tests, unless they are good enough to play as either a batsman or a bowler.

      • November 29th 2017 @ 9:36am
        fp11 said | November 29th 2017 @ 9:36am | ! Report

        They call him Boof! What do you expect? The man others call Boof should not coach.

        • December 2nd 2017 @ 12:53pm
          Don Freo said | December 2nd 2017 @ 12:53pm | ! Report

          Another judgement on the basis of a name only. At least if you are going that way you should try to engage humour. This is just bitter.

          I’ll bet you were the little guy in primary school calling names but only when the big guys did it first.

      • November 29th 2017 @ 9:36am
        jameswm said | November 29th 2017 @ 9:36am | ! Report

        “Marsh is not a Test class bowler or a Test class batsman”

        I don’t agree. Marsh is a test quality both as an all rounder. His bowling was very useful when he was in the team. The issue was his batting was not top 6 level.

        He’s not a top 6 bat or a top 4 bowler, but at 7 he would be a very useful addition to any team.

        • November 29th 2017 @ 10:20am
          JohnB said | November 29th 2017 @ 10:20am | ! Report

          So you have to rearrange the team to accommodate him? Take a bloke who has always opened, and has kept twice at first class level, and make him keeper and bat him at 6 (and expect a batsman’s runs from him). Push someone else up to open who’s been successful at 3. All to get someone in as a 5th bowler who generally will only be asked to bowl 8 – 10 tidy overs. Find someone who is good enough to bat at 6, put in the best keeper, bat people where they’re comfortable, and find a few overs from the top 6 batsmen.

          • November 29th 2017 @ 2:05pm
            jameswm said | November 29th 2017 @ 2:05pm | ! Report

            You don’t rearrange the team to accommodate Marsh. You re-arrange it to make it stronger.

            It’s worth consideration. Would I do it now? No.

            • December 1st 2017 @ 2:54pm
              Don Freo said | December 1st 2017 @ 2:54pm | ! Report

              Why would you do all that? If Mitch earns selection, he would simply replace Shaun, Ussie or Handscomb if one of them loses form.

              You have made the stangest series of complications.

              • December 1st 2017 @ 2:55pm
                Don Freo said | December 1st 2017 @ 2:55pm | ! Report

                That was in response to JohnB. James, you are making a lot of sense.

              • December 1st 2017 @ 2:57pm
                George said | December 1st 2017 @ 2:57pm | ! Report

                Mitch replacing Khawaja (first-class and Test average: 44)? Hilarious.

                Only in the Marsh family/your backyard dreams.

              • December 1st 2017 @ 3:30pm
                Don Freo said | December 1st 2017 @ 3:30pm | ! Report

                Or Shaun or Handscomb. A career average means nothing in any way in any circumstance.
                The point was made about form. If they maintain form, there is no spot.

                You read what you want to but you may as well not comment if all you want is to spew disdain.

        • November 29th 2017 @ 10:27am
          paul said | November 29th 2017 @ 10:27am | ! Report

          This is my very point. He’s not good enough to play Tests as either a batsman or bowler in his own right, so should not be considered until he can prove otherwise with a bunch of first class results

          • November 29th 2017 @ 2:04pm
            jameswm said | November 29th 2017 @ 2:04pm | ! Report

            If he bats at 7 he doesn’t need to be good enough to be picked as a batsman or bowler.

        • Roar Guru

          November 29th 2017 @ 10:55am
          The Bush said | November 29th 2017 @ 10:55am | ! Report

          His test career batting performance to date does not suggest he’s a test 7 at present. He averages 21 with the bat at Test level. Nevill averaged 22 and that was enough to get dropped. We talk about needing a 30 plus average from our batsman at 7. This would be absolutely necessary if we’ve moved our ‘keeper up to 6 (unless that person is Gilchrist), because presumably they’ll only be averaging in the 30s as well.

          • November 29th 2017 @ 2:03pm
            jameswm said | November 29th 2017 @ 2:03pm | ! Report

            You’re assuming he won’t improve. He was batting at 6 before.

            • Roar Guru

              November 29th 2017 @ 2:20pm
              The Bush said | November 29th 2017 @ 2:20pm | ! Report

              Sure he might improve. He might improve so much he can bat at 6, or 5 or any other number. But you’re saying he can bat at 7 right now and I’m simply saying there is no statistical proof that he’s up to the standard we require.

              • December 1st 2017 @ 3:00pm
                Don Freo said | December 1st 2017 @ 3:00pm | ! Report

                If he doesn’t improve, you don’t pick him.

                This conversation is all based on the excitement of his batting this year. He is beginning to do consistently what he has shown often enough he can do. He is 26yo now. The same age Handscomb was when he began to sustain it. Steve Smith too. Harden, Langer…

            • Roar Guru

              November 29th 2017 @ 3:01pm
              Chris Kettlewell said | November 29th 2017 @ 3:01pm | ! Report

              He might improve, and I hope he does, hence my comment that the issue with Marsh isn’t “he’s back bowling, now he’s suddenly an option”, but rather that if he wants to be considered for the test team he really needs to work hard on his batting.

              His current batting record suggests he should be batting below Starc and Cummins. In reality that’s not the case, he’s someone who looks more a batsman than either when he gets going, and is more likely to turn a start into a hundred than either of those two, but yet his average is below both, suggesting he gets out for low scores more often than both of them also.

              If he can iron out some of his technical flaws with the bat and be able to score more runs consistently, then he could actually be a really good addition to the test team, but that’s still a big if, and I don’t think he should be considered until he can show he’s able to score runs a lot more consistently at first class level.

              • November 29th 2017 @ 3:29pm
                George said | November 29th 2017 @ 3:29pm | ! Report

                ‘His current batting record suggests he should be batting below Starc and Cummins’

                Spot on.

                Same goes for Paine really.

    • November 29th 2017 @ 9:35am
      jameswm said | November 29th 2017 @ 9:35am | ! Report

      For all the knockers, MMarsh was always a decent option at no.7. Just not at no.6. His bowling is good for a 5th bowler, but he’s not a top 6 bat.

      And for MMarsh to play and bat at 7, you need a keeper in the top 6. We potentially have that.

      This season Marsh has scored, ususally at no.4: 36, 0 and 6 to NSW (to Hazelwood both times), 95, 28, 141, 11 – 321 runs at 40, a couple of failures to our test attack. But OK for a no.7.

      So weigh up Marsh at 7 compared to Paine. How does it affect our team?

      Keeping – a bit worse, not sure what sort of presence Bancroft has behind the stumps.
      Batting – a bit stronger I’d say
      Bowkling – stronger for sure, good back up depth

      So overall Mitch marsh for Paine would make us stronger I reckon. It would put a strain on Bancroft, but the 3 options with him are:
      1. he bats at 6 as a straight swap with Shaun Marsh
      2. he bats at 6 with everyone else moving up a spot
      3. he stays opener. When we bat 2nd or 3rd (or 4th), he either opens after a day in the field, or else Handscomb is given the gloves towards the end of their innings to give him a physical and mental rest. Is this a viable long term option? I like Bancroft opening – good foil for Warner in temperament, and a solid option

      • November 29th 2017 @ 10:42am
        Roy said | November 29th 2017 @ 10:42am | ! Report

        Reasonable suggestions James, but i think this compromises the batting too much. If it was a straight swap of marsh for paine that’s one thing, but encumbering a top 6 bat with keeping duties will inevitably affect their batting output, especially as an opener. Our weakness is our batting depth in recent years (where would we be without Smith, and Clarke before him, and Ponting before him?) and we’re surely not in a position to weaken it further.

        It also underestimates the value to the bowlers and fielding side generally of having a proper, dedicated keeper behind the stumps. An allrounder would be nice to have but no way worth the disruption to the batting and fielding in my view.

        • November 29th 2017 @ 2:07pm
          jameswm said | November 29th 2017 @ 2:07pm | ! Report

          It doesn’t underestimate anything. I acknowledged you would be worse off keeper wise.

          Also, keeping and opening didn’t worry Bancroft in the 2nd and 3rd Shield games this season.

      • Roar Guru

        November 29th 2017 @ 10:57am
        The Bush said | November 29th 2017 @ 10:57am | ! Report

        Marsh was averaging 28 this season before his century. Let’s wait to see what his final season batting average is. His career batting average at FC level remains less than 30 and his Test batting average is 21. He is yet to prove that he is capable of consistently batting in the top 7 for Australia.

        As I said above, they should have just let him focus on his batting this season to see if he’s up to it.

        • November 29th 2017 @ 2:10pm
          jameswm said | November 29th 2017 @ 2:10pm | ! Report

          Why? Surely if he can bowl, he bowls. I’d move him to 5 or 6 if he did that.

          • Roar Guru

            November 29th 2017 @ 2:21pm
            The Bush said | November 29th 2017 @ 2:21pm | ! Report

            He’s presently batting at 4 for WA specifically so he can get some time in the middle. They should just have left it at that.

            • Roar Guru

              November 29th 2017 @ 3:07pm
              Chris Kettlewell said | November 29th 2017 @ 3:07pm | ! Report

              I think he should still bowl. Sure guys like Cummins and Pattinson played grade cricket as batsmen for a time while they were still not able to bowl, but once fit enough to bowl they started bowling. If Marsh is fit enough to bowl he should be bowling. He’s not going to get into the test team as a batsman, he’s going to get in as an allrounder. And I don’t think him bowling some overs in the Shield should impact his batting, but he needs the real focus for improvement to be with the bat. He needs to score runs consistently. He’s now WA captain and has done a Matt Wade and made batting order decisions more about him than the team by batting himself at 4. He now needs to warrant batting himself in the spot in the batting lineup generally set aside for the teams premier batsman and score lots of runs. If he does that, then there may well be a test recall in his future, and if he does that, then there’s no reason why that recall can’t be for the #6 spot, because he’ll have scored the runs to justify that with the help of his bowling.

              • Roar Guru

                November 29th 2017 @ 4:20pm
                The Bush said | November 29th 2017 @ 4:20pm | ! Report

                Chris,

                I heard a comment from Steve Smith the other day that the reason he’s given up howling is because of all the time he has to spend focusing on his batting, fielding and being captain. In other words, they only have so much time. It’s probably important to note that they’ve weighed Marsh down with the big C at WA…

                So in other words, it won’t hurt his bowling in the long run to take a season off it (probably good for his body too) and just bat the house down. Live it. Breath it. Sleep with your bat. Whatever it takes. Prove you’re a top six bat for your state and therefore possibly for your country and then next season you can do it both.

        • December 1st 2017 @ 9:18pm
          Don Freo said | December 1st 2017 @ 9:18pm | ! Report

          Interesting cherry picking, Bushie. Mitch has also averaged 68 in his last 4 Shield innings. Everyone has a lower average if you take out their hundreds.

      • December 1st 2017 @ 9:14pm
        Don Freo said | December 1st 2017 @ 9:14pm | ! Report

        Wouldn’t England like Joe Root or Alistair Cook to get those kinds of numbers in Australia this summer?

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