Needs of the many against loyalty to a sport: Sydney’s stadium upgrade dilemma

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    I always had a slight problem with the Papua New Guinea government putting so much money into rugby league.

    In a country which lacks many basic services, can you justify a reported $1 million per game to attract the World Cup – or the hundreds of thousands that have no doubt been paid in consultancy fees associated with the sport over the years?

    How much of governing is about keeping people happy (so they might vote for you again) and how much is about providing the core services we expect from our tax dollars?

    But it always seemed an esoteric argument, restricted to the developing world.

    That was until colleague Peter FitzSimons tweeted that he was starting a petition against the rebuilding of Sydney’s stadia.

    I instinctively retweeted – I was intrigued by the whole idea that people could be opposed to these things that, in my world, enjoy unanimous support.

    As is the way on social media, many people attacked Fitzy and others who agree with him – like Mike Carlton – as wanting to “keep rugby league down”. Since rugby league is the major benefactor of these stadium upgrades, and Peter, in particular, is strongly aligned with the rival code he played internationally, then I can see how these conclusions can be reached.

    But given my own misgivings about Papua New Guinea, I can also imagine arriving at the conclusions altruistically. Surely this money can be better spent elsewhere?

    The debate brings into play a host of things that don’t normally cross my radar – like non-rugby league politics.

    How should a government be run? To what extent should policies be populist versus service-oriented? Should taxpayer money be invested in schemes that earn more money, which is one of the arguments in favour of a $2 billion rebuild at ANZ and Allianz?

    The NRL gets $2 billion in TV rights. Should they not spend some of that on stadium upgrades rather than having the taxpayer foot the bill?

    It is possible to ponder these subjects without being a traitor to rugby league or whatever sport it is you follow. This isn’t a black and white issue, there are many nuances.

    But having said all that, will I be signing Peter FitzSimons’ petition? Probably not.

    An artist's impression of the Allianz Stadium rebuild

    (Image: Facebook/Allianz Stadium)

    I probably wouldn’t sign one against the Papua New Guinea government investing in rugby league either. One one hand, I have a pang of guilt over what could be perceived as wastage – but on the other, I still have a loyalty to the sport.

    It’s easier to just sit back and do nothing.

    The truth is that while I am, as my thoughts above illustrate, a bit of a bleeding heart lefty, I am still not terribly socially conscious. It’s a difficult contradiction to explain, I know.

    I’ll try. I feel sorry for people but don’t often act as part of a wider group to help them.

    On an individual level, I’d like to think I’d help someone who needed one of those hospitals we are neglecting to build a stadium – I’d scoop them up off the side of the road, call an ambulance for them, etcetera, etcetera.

    But at any level beyond one-on-one interaction, I am basically selfish. I don’t care if Amazon or Google don’t pay tax. Nothing to do with me, good on them.

    The world outside my five-metre radius is basically beyond my control. I’ve got enough to worry about inside that area.

    Perhaps not the sort of thing you expected to read here. But while I find the stadium rebuild troubling, I don’t find it troubling enough to oppose it.

    Steve Mascord
    Steve Mascord

    Steve Mascord has covered rugby league in 15 countries and worked for most media organisations that regularly feature the sport, on both sides of the globe. He started off as an 18-year-old cadet at Australian Associated Press, transferring to the Sydney Morning Herald just in time to go on the last full Kangaroos Tour in 1994. He spent three years at Sydney's Daily Telegraph from 2006 before going freelance at the conclusion of the 2008 World Cup. Steve is the author of the book Touchstones, host of the White Line Fever podcast, partner in international rugby league merchandise start-up Mascord Brownz, and proprietor of, and He is married to Sarah and splits his time between London and Sydney.

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    • December 6th 2017 @ 5:31am
      Terry Tavita said | December 6th 2017 @ 5:31am | ! Report

      building sports stadium is an investment in sports, recreation and social development..building hospitals is an investment in public health..if you have the money, build them both..

      • December 6th 2017 @ 10:14am
        Fred said | December 6th 2017 @ 10:14am | ! Report

        But Terry, we already have the stadiums! If these were 70 year old crumbling stadiums it would be fine, but to knock down and rebuild a 17 year old stadium is madness!

        • December 6th 2017 @ 11:39am
          Abhi Beckert said | December 6th 2017 @ 11:39am | ! Report

          According to reports the stadium is crumbling.

          They had to replace roof panels earlier this year and did so with the promise those new roof panels would still be used in the fully rebuilt stadium 2 years later.

          If those panels could have lasted another 2 years without serious safety concerns they would have waited.

          If the sdadium isn’t rebuilt, how much will it cost to continue maintaining the current sdadium over the next 20 years? It might be just as expensive as building a new one.

      • December 7th 2017 @ 10:41pm
        Rolly said | December 7th 2017 @ 10:41pm | ! Report

        Investing in junior facilities in cities all over the state is investing in sport.not mega stadiums in Sydney that only highly paid elite sports play in for two or three footy codes .who could easily pay for their own stadiums .what was the NRL tv deal worth.

    • Roar Rookie

      December 6th 2017 @ 5:54am
      DJ DJ said | December 6th 2017 @ 5:54am | ! Report

      A bit weak, I must say Steve.

      • December 6th 2017 @ 9:29am
        Steve Mascord said | December 6th 2017 @ 9:29am | ! Report

        If you mean the sentiments expressed display weakness, that’s what is intended. I’m weak. If you mean the column is weak as in poor, it’s the best I could do.

        • December 7th 2017 @ 11:49am
          Boris said | December 7th 2017 @ 11:49am | ! Report

          Ha ha!

    • December 6th 2017 @ 7:01am
      Mark b said | December 6th 2017 @ 7:01am | ! Report

      before any more stadium upgrades to MOORE PARK stadiums (the scg and sfs….)
      how about TRANSPORT (a heavy rail link from central)….?

      would we be producing a world class stadium at STADIUM AUSTRALIA by reducing its capacity….? taking away its capacity to go oval (for afl and t20 cricket)… taking away its capacity to have an athletics track for another olympics? how would a 70000 capacity stadium australia compete with a 100000 mcg?

      just dumb and a waste of money with the proposed rebuild/upgrades.

      if the money is to be spent on the stadiums it should be spent on capacity increase at stadium australia and heavy rail to moore park.
      if not its a waste of money.


    • Roar Guru

      December 6th 2017 @ 7:06am
      Con Scortis said | December 6th 2017 @ 7:06am | ! Report

      Hi Steve.

      One of the main reasons people (including sports fans like me) object to the stadium rebuild is because there is a foul stench around it and Australians are sick of having politicians (from both sides) spend billions catering to their donor mates.

      For example, one of the cheerleaders for the plan is Tony Shepherd, former head of the Business Council of Australia and current chairman of the Sydney Cricket Ground & Sports Ground Trust.

      This Tony Shepherd is quite happy for enormous taxpayer funds to be used for the benefit of his own organisation, a private enterprise.

      Yet this is the same Tony Shepherd who said that without budget repair, social welfare entitlements including Medicare might need to be trimmed.

      The same Tony Shepherd who says that the Age Pension is too generous.

      The same Tony Shepherd who said that the family home should be “means tested” for the Age Pension.

      The same Tony Shepherd who has attacked everyone from baby boomers, Gen X, Gen Y and Millennials for their “entitlement” mentality.

      So it seems that for people like Tony Shepherd, entitlements and government payments are bad, except when they benefit their own organisations.

      Hypocrites the lot of them and I am f…ing sick of it.

      • December 6th 2017 @ 7:27am
        Josh said | December 6th 2017 @ 7:27am | ! Report

        The NSW government has plenty of money in fact our largest ever surplus so they can do both. We will spend 400 bn on health and education in the same period of spending 2bn om stadiums. Stadiums bring in 100s of millions of dollars a year into nsw, they make a profit over their lifetime for the government which means in fact that by building these stadiums we can build more schools and hospitals then we could if we didnt build them.

        Also the social benefits of sports and sporting organisations are obvious to anyone or should be.

        Hiw far do u take the health and education argument -should we build schools at all or actually pay the whole 400 bn into better teachers or should we not provide roads or trains because we should build schools and hospitals.

        • December 6th 2017 @ 7:57am
          In brief said | December 6th 2017 @ 7:57am | ! Report

          If you think spending the surplus on stadia we don’t need is a good way of spending government money think again. Perhaps the stadia are designed to help the plebs turn a blind eye to all the corruption and environmental destruction this government is delivering. Bit like the Roman circus.

          WestConnex- look a bright new stadium! 30 storey high rise from Parramatta to Marrickville – look a bright new stadium! second highest loss of biodiversity on the planet – look a bright new stadium! 2 million migrants to find jobs and homes for- look a bright new stadium!

          • December 6th 2017 @ 9:58am
            Cam said | December 6th 2017 @ 9:58am | ! Report

            Building the Stadiums creates jobs.

            • December 6th 2017 @ 10:21am
              Christo the Daddyo said | December 6th 2017 @ 10:21am | ! Report

              Maybe they could build schools? Or hospitals? Or railways? etc etc

              • December 6th 2017 @ 10:53am
                RandyM said | December 6th 2017 @ 10:53am | ! Report

                You gotta wonder about a society that sees building lots and lots of hospitals as progressive and well functioning. “Hey everyone, it’s ok to be sick cause we got plenty of hospitals! “

              • December 6th 2017 @ 9:21pm
                Cam said | December 6th 2017 @ 9:21pm | ! Report

                A job in building and construction is a job in building and construction, it doesn’t matter what the end product is.

              • December 7th 2017 @ 11:13am
                Cathar Treize said | December 7th 2017 @ 11:13am | ! Report

                RandyM couldn’t have said it better. What a future when we’re planning to cater for increased amounts of sick people & schools to continue an education system designed to keep the status quo.

            • December 6th 2017 @ 6:15pm
              republican said | December 6th 2017 @ 6:15pm | ! Report

              ……….An insignificant number that is not sustained over a a significant time either while other more needed nation building projects to do with health, education et el also create jobs……..

        • December 6th 2017 @ 8:20am
          not so super said | December 6th 2017 @ 8:20am | ! Report

          so why are kids in demountables and funding being vut in hospitals? it is absolute creative accounting to say that stadiums generate that kind of money – there have been studies dismissing these claims as baloney

          pleae show me where they are spending 400 billion on health and education? does that include the wages of the hundreds of thousands of people that work as teaches, nurses and doctors? poor comparison

        • December 6th 2017 @ 8:31am
          Christo the Daddyo said | December 6th 2017 @ 8:31am | ! Report

          “they make a profit over their lifetime for the government”
          Er, what? Any proof for that statement?

        • December 6th 2017 @ 8:41am
          PeterMc said | December 6th 2017 @ 8:41am | ! Report

          “Stadiums bring in 100s of millions of dollars a year into nsw, they make a profit over their lifetime for the government which means in fact that by building these stadiums we can build more schools and hospitals then we could if we didnt build them.”

          You seem to be ignoring the benefits of the investment over the same period should it have been put into other income generating activities ie lost opportunity – there are many things that this sort of investment could fund with much better returns, not the least funding education which when working well tends to spit out a higher tax paying worker

        • Roar Rookie

          December 6th 2017 @ 8:46am
          Don said | December 6th 2017 @ 8:46am | ! Report

          I think your point about stadia profitability over the term is something that should be made clearer by Govt.
          If there is investment in something that delivers an objective and ultimately not only pays for itself but generates a modest profit then where is the problem?

          What people aren’t being told though is Stadium Australia at a smaller capacity with far better seating and ammenities will certainly see an increase in ticket prices for popular events.
          For the same reason State of Origin tickets are far more expensive at Lang Park than they are at Homebush…

          Then the argument will be that the game is pandering to corporates and elites who attend 1 match per year and the common punter is being dudded.

        • December 6th 2017 @ 9:35am
          AR said | December 6th 2017 @ 9:35am | ! Report

          “…which means in fact that by building these stadiums we can build more schools and hospitals then we could if we didnt build them.”

          We have a winner.

          This one is a doozy.

          • December 6th 2017 @ 1:55pm
            Crosscoder said | December 6th 2017 @ 1:55pm | ! Report

            No mention of the same Tony Shepherd and GWS getting taxpayers’ money for Spotless,and the waste at Blacktown.Perhaps Con could have brought that into the discussion.

            A deeply in debt WA Govt and ditto SA Govt had no problem spending hundreds of millions for new stadiums.Funny how Govts find the money, always at taxpayers’ expense.

            • Roar Guru

              December 6th 2017 @ 2:36pm
              Con Scortis said | December 6th 2017 @ 2:36pm | ! Report

              Wasn’t aware of his links to GWS when I posted. He has fingers in a lot of pies…

              • December 6th 2017 @ 3:28pm
                Chris Wright said | December 6th 2017 @ 3:28pm | ! Report

                Tony Shepherd has been against the rectangular alignment of ANZ from the start. Why? because it is a benefit to NRL, Football and Union as opposed to AFL.

              • December 6th 2017 @ 3:41pm
                Crosscoder said | December 6th 2017 @ 3:41pm | ! Report

                Correct Chris.And when the big finals series come up,should they involved two Sydney AFL teams,who benefits should they remain as is………..? Fill in the blanks.
                Shepherd is fully aware of that point.
                A rectangular stadium would mean only one venue available for finals thereby , restricting numbers.

              • December 6th 2017 @ 4:21pm
                Matthew said | December 6th 2017 @ 4:21pm | ! Report

                So Shepherd wants an upgrade to SFS – rectangular and mutli-use for ANZ so rectangular can still use. He hasnt been against ANZ rectangular – that’s why other code people come here to correct distortions. You must do better at conspiracy theories..

              • December 6th 2017 @ 4:53pm
                spruce moose said | December 6th 2017 @ 4:53pm | ! Report

                Matthew, has the timing of the projects not made your eyes and ears prick.

                SFS to be demolished first, and then ANZ in 2019 – after an election which may necessitate the cancellation of the ANZ project.

                Which is EXACTLY what Shepherd would want. He can talk what ever he likes, but the truth is plain to see for all but you.

              • December 6th 2017 @ 5:32pm
                Crosscoder said | December 6th 2017 @ 5:32pm | ! Report

                Not my reading of his past comments matthew.
                In fact Shepherd was concerned about money for the SFS a trust stadium,and wanted the ANZ to remain unchanged.
                He has stated having ANZ remain as is would cover all codes ,semis with GWS and the Swans would benefit for final series numbers.Spotless certainly would not be suitable.
                Thius having SFS upgraded/rebuilt is not going to affect GWS or the AFL for that matter.

                No conspiracy theories re Shepherd,he has had the odd dig at the NRL in the past.

            • December 6th 2017 @ 8:03pm
              AR said | December 6th 2017 @ 8:03pm | ! Report

              Crosscoder, comparing Adelaide and Sydney doesn’t quite help you out.

              The new Adelaide Oval has averaged over 44k to every single Crows/Power March since it was completed 3 years ago. And remember, this is in a city 1/4 the size of Sydney.
              The cricket attracts record crowds too.
              In other words, it’s a public spend that is clearly justified and showing a ROI.

              Again, we compare that to SFS, which is home to 3 clubs across 3 codes, none of which fill it above 15k on any regular basis.

              The new Perth stadium will average around the 45k mark to all games too.

              If you think smashing down a rarely used 45k stadium to rebuild a rarely used 45k stadium in its place is good government spending…I don’t really know what to say.

              • December 7th 2017 @ 9:20am
                Crosscoder said | December 7th 2017 @ 9:20am | ! Report

                Comparing Sydney with the newest stadium 18 years old, with every other state with all AFL stadiums upgraded ideal for AFL,is I suggest a fair comparison.And $535m plus for Adelaide sand $1,6bn for Perth in recent years also draws a fair comparison.
                Plus your mate Gil wrote to Gladys pushing for NZ to be retained as an oval ground.Ask yourself who has agendas?

                And in typical style A.R,(your abbreviation from Australian Rule) you have completely ignored my points on various posts ,where i have suggested just a refurbishment for the SFS ,not a knockdown.That has been my view since got involved in posting on the stadium issues.
                You noted “I don;t know what to say” .I suggest perhaps, reading, marking and digesting my posts would be a good starting point.

        • December 6th 2017 @ 10:03am
          ask said | December 6th 2017 @ 10:03am | ! Report

          Why wouldn’t the government sell portions of those stadia to those who benefit (e.g ARLC and ARU) to raise the money for the rebuilds. If they sold up to 49% to those sporting bodies the gov retains the controlling interest, it minimises the gov’s capital and operational costs when money is so tight for other departments that potentially benefit a greater portion of the population (e.g health) while still allowing for the increased money into the NSW economy by having the stadia to host the big money events. If as you say ” Stadiums bring in 100s of millions of dollars a year into nsw, they make a profit over their lifetime for the government” this should be an easy sell to the public and the ARU and ARLC since they can actually have something to show for their money spent.

        • December 6th 2017 @ 10:04am
          Jim said | December 6th 2017 @ 10:04am | ! Report

          “they make a profit over their lifetime for the government which means in fact that by building these stadiums we can build more schools and hospitals then we could if we didnt build them.”

          I’d love to see some evidence to support this…

          • December 6th 2017 @ 2:54pm
            terry tavita said | December 6th 2017 @ 2:54pm | ! Report

            i think they call it the multiplier effect..

      • December 6th 2017 @ 8:45am
        Oingo Boingo said | December 6th 2017 @ 8:45am | ! Report

        I’m with you Con .
        These loowlife elitist hornblowers are the scourge of society in the modern age .
        You ad that , the fact that every generation coming through are becoming more and more gullible, and you have the perfect storm for spin .
        This stadium is not about the public.
        A new stadium to replace a not so old stadium , in a shiit location that no one will go to , doesn’t make a lot of sense to most.
        But it will forge ahead , be a failure , and we will be told it is a massive success.
        The majority won’t care because there are much more pressing issues to attend to on Facebook and anyone who does object will be branded with a term ending in “phobia” and if they continue to cause issues , they will attract attention from antifa ,in order to dull their enthusiasm.
        Communism is the new democracy, so shut the f#%k up .

      • Roar Guru

        December 6th 2017 @ 10:15am
        Mango Jack said | December 6th 2017 @ 10:15am | ! Report

        I agree. Completely hypocritical to call for cuts in public spending elsewhere whilst demanding it be spent on this.

      • December 6th 2017 @ 11:41am
        Artie Beetson said | December 6th 2017 @ 11:41am | ! Report

        Well said Con Sortis +1000 ….we are all sick of it. The hypocrisy of the rich and their gov’t mates in this country is gobsmacking. Unfortunately they get away with it as they own the media so there is nobody to hold them to account.

    • December 6th 2017 @ 7:17am
      AR said | December 6th 2017 @ 7:17am | ! Report

      Since it was built, the SFS has drawn an average of 12.4k to NRL games.

      That is 12.4 over a 30 year period. So there’s the data. And that’s just for SFS. The other 2 stadiums have similarly empty records (though ANZ has recently been filled up more, mostly due to one-off soccer exhibitions).

      Spending $800M to smash down SFS and rebuild it is an appalling waste of taxpayer money.

      And speaking of, there’s no mention of the NRL’s contribution in all this. I understand the ARU and FFA are broke, but the NRL has $2B from a broadcast deal, and they’ll be the biggest beneficiary of this stadium splurge.

      Sewn pockets. Unbelievable.

      • December 6th 2017 @ 8:49am
        jamesb said | December 6th 2017 @ 8:49am | ! Report


        You have said this exact post last week. Maybe you should take a step back, and have a think as to what is the motive behind demolishing these stadiums. Are certain individualistis going to
        benefit from building these new stadiums?

        Have a look at Con Scortis post. As an outsider, it looks like a rort.

        • December 6th 2017 @ 9:02am
          AR said | December 6th 2017 @ 9:02am | ! Report

          Oh I agree completely with Con’s excellent post.

          There’s many reasons why this stadium spend is a complete joke.

        • December 7th 2017 @ 11:18am
          Cathar Treize said | December 7th 2017 @ 11:18am | ! Report

          Funny AFL can have 30 years plans etc, aka GWS, to grow but other sports can’t? Perhaps having the best rectangular stadiums in the city’s history may actually change crowds, for the best, forever? If AFL can have ‘growth’ plans, I don’t see why others sports can’t.

          • December 7th 2017 @ 11:20am
            Sydneysider said | December 7th 2017 @ 11:20am | ! Report

            Exactly CT.

            GWS has “potential for growth” but the other sports don’t.

      • December 6th 2017 @ 1:51pm
        Crosscoder said | December 6th 2017 @ 1:51pm | ! Report

        Please AR I agree that the SFS needs refurbishing not knocked down. However it is used by 3 football codes report 3,not just one.
        ANZ needs to be reconfigured to a rectangular stadium, for the 3 rectangiular sports involved, where they have major events involved.The current ANZ is not a rectangular one, and that shows with the crowds who attend, too far from the action.Just like the SCG is too far from the action for rectangular sports.In fact ANZ is better suited to AFL than these codes, no wonder AFL would like it to remain that way.And they will benefit should ti remain .

        Whatever they NRLs contributionsmall/litt;e/or zero ,and I understand they are involved with the Nth Qld stadium,you ignore the fact the hundreds of millions of dollars outlaid on AFL grounds by state and Fed Gov’ts,only a minimal amount has been provided by the AFL.The publicpretence at times they have somehow underpinned the financials,is mind blowing
        NRL grand finals and SOO do tend to have a decent economic impact in this fair city, compared to the other 2 codes..

        I do know the NRL has already outlaid $750,00 on a feasibility for the SFS rebuild under Smith.

        • December 6th 2017 @ 8:36pm
          AR said | December 6th 2017 @ 8:36pm | ! Report


          First, this has nothing to do with your favourite bogeyman – the AFL.

          Second, however, if you insist dragging the AFL into stadium funding discussions, you’ll realise that it’s the only sporting body that has contributed tens of millions into stadia all over the country. This includes the $13M toward Spotless (where the NSW Govt chipped in $42M).
          I’m not sure what a “$750,00 feasibility study” buys you, but it ain’t a stadium.

          Third, when the AFL has been a user of stadiums around Australia (but not a direct funder) those stadiums have generally enjoyed massive crowds and revenue due to AFL games. See: the SCG.

          I am all for governments chipping in for or even completely funding stadiums…PROVIDING that stadium is actually needed and utilised by the public in a way that actually returns the investment.

          In the case of SFS, we KNOW that isn’t the case. We have 30+ years of Sydneysiders not turning up to it as proof of that. For Parra Stadium, we have 2 *privately* owned clubs which attract between 10-14k per match, and hey presto!! – $350M brand new stadium 100% Govt funded.

          It’s quite extraordinary.

          • December 7th 2017 @ 8:21am
            chris said | December 7th 2017 @ 8:21am | ! Report

            We need a rectangular stadium at Homebush. Full stop.

          • December 7th 2017 @ 9:26am
            Crosscoder said | December 7th 2017 @ 9:26am | ! Report

            Bogeyman LOL.
            Gil Mac has written to the State Premier to push for ANZ to be retained as oval.The GWS chairman who is on the SCG T^rust(Shepherd) is pushing for the SFS demolition.This has created a huge split in the total expenditure ,which would have been far less with just ANZ.
            Who gains a semii between GWS and the swans ,and the Swans and any other team.
            It’s quite Ok for your code to have you beaut up to date stadiums in very state, but the 3 codes in Sydney stuff em wasting it on ANZ.You can smell it with the posters form other states and your code.

            • December 7th 2017 @ 9:42am
              chris said | December 7th 2017 @ 9:42am | ! Report

              The AFL are the most insidious and inward looking sporting organisation in the country.
              The lengths they go to, to impose themselves on the sporting landscape is scandalous and puts them offside with all other codes.
              Sydney needs rectangular stadiums to service the 3 most popular codes. If its cost effective to refurb Homebush then thats the way we should go.
              Being an extra 20-50 metres from the action just doesnt cut it and thats what we have with the oval stadium as it currently stands.

              • December 7th 2017 @ 10:50am
                valhalla said | December 7th 2017 @ 10:50am | ! Report

                another advocate of the “…. they look like ants” brigade lol

              • December 7th 2017 @ 12:51pm
                Paul2 said | December 7th 2017 @ 12:51pm | ! Report

                “another advocate of the “…. they look like ants” brigade lol”

                Yep, it’s hilarious. This ranks right up there in the contest for silliest attempt to justify knocking down and re-building a 17 year old stadium (and it’s a competitive field).

                Other stadiums used for Olympics (e.g. in Rome and Berlin) are also not rectangularly configured but seem to work fine as a home venue for far bigger clubs than those that use Homebush. I mean seriously, Wembley was used for an Olympics (1948), had a dog-track between the playing field and spectators, and remained in its non-ideal configuration until it genuinely needed to be rebuilt (note that the old Wembley was 80 years old when demolished, not 18).

                Still, it’s just not good enough for Homebush, right? *mumbles* “a world class stadium for a world class city…. Oh, and return on investment…. Plus, we’ve already spend on health and education”.

              • December 8th 2017 @ 8:09am
                Crosscoder said | December 8th 2017 @ 8:09am | ! Report

                And valhalla and his predictable entourage of 8 poster’ brigade an advocate for extremely costly oval stadiums perfectly suited to one ,repeat one football code in this country.

                One who completely ignores the fact, after the Olympics ,ANZ stadium was destined shortly to be rectangularly reconfigured.
                But no ,the AFL decided to throw in a couple of million of the folding stuff,so it would remain in oval mode.
                I’ve been to wembley stadium and to the rectangular stadiums used for soccer and in some cases rl in england.It;s chalk and cheese comparing rectangular sports played in rectangular stadiums to the same sports played in oval stadiums.
                None better exemplified when SOO is played at the MCG.

                These same naysayers are quite happy for state GOvts that are struggling financially to spend $535m and $1,6bn on oval stadiums.
                The AFL fan approach in summary, do as I say,not as i do.

    • December 6th 2017 @ 7:41am
      unclephil said | December 6th 2017 @ 7:41am | ! Report

      It is beyond belief that Sydney has never had an elite rectangular stadium, ever. We built the sfs a handy but ordinary 40, 000 seater (a joke at the time it was built). ANZ is a monstrous oval stadium terrible for the three main games in the state. It’s time that Sydney/ NSWelshman taxdollars are given their very first purpose built major rectangular stadium as the one designed, and I can assure you that the atmosphere generated will bring the people in droves. SFS should get zero.

      • Roar Guru

        December 6th 2017 @ 10:17am
        Mango Jack said | December 6th 2017 @ 10:17am | ! Report

        So upgrade them.

        • December 6th 2017 @ 11:02am
          unclephil said | December 6th 2017 @ 11:02am | ! Report

          huh? wrong post.

          • Roar Guru

            December 6th 2017 @ 11:31am
            Mango Jack said | December 6th 2017 @ 11:31am | ! Report

            Yeah, sorry, read your post again. Agree SFS should not be the priority, there’s nothing fundamentally wrong with it (other than transport, which rebuilding won’t fix), so it only needs a bit of reno.

            As for ANZ, I also agree that it is not suited to the main sports played there, which all require a rectangular filed. Most seats are way too far from the action. But I can’t understand why all this has to be publicly funded. The financial beneficiaries of a new stadium will be the sporting clubs and neighboring associated businesses. They should be contributing to this. If, as you suggest, a new stadium will bring a flood of new fans, their revenues will increase accordingly. Fans pay for tickets, they shouldn’t also have to pay for all the infrastructure.

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