Kurtley: Quade still has plenty to offer Australian rugby


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    Quade Cooper is too good a player for Australian rugby to lose, according to Wallabies star Kurtley Beale.

    But Cooper’s Queensland Reds teammate James Slipper expects the exiled playmaker will be inundated with offers from overseas and has earned the right to not only do “whatever he wants” but make the decision at his own pace.

    Cooper’s career is at a crossroads after he was told last week by new Reds coach Brad Thorn he wasn’t in his plans for 2018 despite having two years to run on his contract.

    The 29-year-old has been encouraged to find another club but is yet to indicate his thinking.

    “As a mate, I’d like him to stay in Australian rugby. His quality’s just too good,” Beale told reporters on Wednesday.

    Slipper would also like to see Cooper stay put preferably at the Reds but said nobody had the right to tell him what to do.

    “He’s earned the right to do whatever he wants, really,” Slipper said.

    “I don’t think he’ll let people know for a while. I don’t think he has to either.

    “It’s obviously a bit of a change-up in his life at the moment and for anyone, that’s a big hurdle to overcome.

    “He’s going to take his time and make sure he does it right.

    “Quade’s a mentally tough bloke. He’ll just regroup, hang around family for a bit and he’s being positive about it.”

    Slipper admitted it was a “shock” to discover Cooper was suddenly on the outer at the Reds, barely a year after the Super Rugby franchise moved heaven and earth to bring him home from Europe.

    “For someone of Quade’s capabilities, his profile and his skill set, he’s the type of player who will get quite a few offers overseas and here,” Slipper said.

    “Whatever he’s got to do, he’s got to do for himself and when he’s happy … that’s when he plays his best rugby.”

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    • December 7th 2017 @ 4:35am
      Ken Catchpole's Other Leg said | December 7th 2017 @ 4:35am | ! Report

      So James Slipper and Kurtley have made public comment. And the ARU and QRU (forking out big bucks every week) do not.
      As a Tah fan, and a Wallaby fan, I am astounded that the QRU and the ARU remain silent on the 800k p.a.($2,198 per day) that Cheka and Thorn in their ‘wisdom’ are pouring down the drain, with barely a footnote of comment.
      ‘Cooper and Frisby not required at training’?, as if we are talking about a couple of reserve grade colts looking for a shot at the big time.

      I believe that Quade is the best 10 in the country, I share this opinion with many learned (and less learned) commentators. However I accept that not all share this view. Not all can see what seems to me is obvious – Quade unlocks defences like no other 10 in the country. Has done so since 2011when fit and available.

      Cheika detests him for some reason. I have no evidence for this other than his inexplicable squad exclusion after outplaying his competition for the spot last year. He gave him a minor cameo role in the quest for the WC, (where Bernard helped get us to a final, but had a snowflakes chance in hell of helping us win it)
      Also Cheika’s histrionics in the box after Quade’s accidental high bump on Izzy in this year’s Baa Baa game. Cheika wanted Quade’s head for that play, (and he got it).

      So collectively the QRU and ARU are paying the best part of a million bucks a year for a bloke that many fans want to have game time, but who is being rejected by two coaches, one with debatable selection ability, one with zero first class coaching experience,

      There is something wrong with this picture.
      Did anyone else see the photo of Quade signing autographs for Luke Holmes’kids at Rat Park during the NRC ? Ex Force, Brumby and Tah Hooker, son of Rats legend, MarkHolmes asking for Quade’s memento. This guy has serious PR pull on top of world class attacking ability.

      With Pulver leaving, who is running the asylum?

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        December 7th 2017 @ 10:43am
        PeterK said | December 7th 2017 @ 10:43am | ! Report

        Obviously the QRU and RA are hoping QC signs o/s. I hope he takes his money and keeps playing for Souths, gets his body right.

        • December 7th 2017 @ 12:01pm
          Dave_S said | December 7th 2017 @ 12:01pm | ! Report

          Peter my concern with him staying at Souths is that while he is clearly not a lazy trainer (he always looks very fit) presumably he will not have nearly the same access to physio and conditioning services, and might actually go backwards. Another bad strain injury might really hasten the end of his career.

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            December 7th 2017 @ 12:13pm
            PeterK said | December 7th 2017 @ 12:13pm | ! Report

            In reality if QC did stay at souths then either the reds go poorly and he would be asked to be the saviour or they go well and reds pay him out so as to gain the squad position back, it would also give qc the time to look at all options next year and not the very limited ones left to him by Thorn’s unfair timing.

      • December 7th 2017 @ 11:47am
        Bakkies said | December 7th 2017 @ 11:47am | ! Report

        ‘With Pulver leaving, who is running the asylum?’

        Sadly Cameron de Clyne and TWAS

        • December 9th 2017 @ 10:26am
          Jacko said | December 9th 2017 @ 10:26am | ! Report

          It cant be TWAS as he never answers a question….Hmmmmm

      • December 7th 2017 @ 12:14pm
        Fan said | December 7th 2017 @ 12:14pm | ! Report

        Obviously the RA has money to burn to accept contractual payments without services being rendered. It’s a great initiative, hopefully this will lead to further transformational change by driving talent overseas. I’m confident we are tracking on the right path to achieve glory at the next World Cup. Nothing wrong with an exit at the pool stage. Can’t wait for the ticker tape parade

      • December 7th 2017 @ 2:39pm
        Crash Ball2 said | December 7th 2017 @ 2:39pm | ! Report

        A little like Cheika has done to Ned Hanigan, Thorn’s move has now thrust a heap of unnecessary pressure onto a young, gifted and potential-filled young footballer in Hamish Stewart who’s natural development and confidence may we’ll be hijacked by the expectation of not just stepping up to first class professional level, but also being tangibly better than a freakishly gifted and home-town popular, 70 test Wallaby.

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          December 7th 2017 @ 4:40pm
          Don said | December 7th 2017 @ 4:40pm | ! Report

          Something about the decision to cut Quade coupled with the Reds marque import player spot still being vacant makes me think there is still a player announcement to come.

          It just doesn’t make sense otherwise.

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            December 8th 2017 @ 8:08am
            PeterK said | December 8th 2017 @ 8:08am | ! Report

            they need qc to resign though which they handled poorly

    • December 7th 2017 @ 5:43am
      mania said | December 7th 2017 @ 5:43am | ! Report

      quade shoulda realised this when thorn was announced as QLD coach. i said right away that thorn would drop him as soon as he was appointed.

      quade wouldve been further ahead in his retrenching if he had

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        December 7th 2017 @ 10:45am
        PeterK said | December 7th 2017 @ 10:45am | ! Report

        Then Thorn should have told him right away whilst Cooper had a chance to sign with another super rugby team, instead of making sure all teams were full and no spots left. Seems vindictive.

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          December 7th 2017 @ 11:28am
          pformagg said | December 7th 2017 @ 11:28am | ! Report

          There is bad blood there.

      • December 7th 2017 @ 11:07am
        soapit said | December 7th 2017 @ 11:07am | ! Report

        he was appointed a fair while ago. still claiming credit for the prediction?

        • December 7th 2017 @ 11:48am
          Bakkies said | December 7th 2017 @ 11:48am | ! Report

          To be fair Quade was named in the squad.

          • December 7th 2017 @ 3:45pm
            cuw said | December 7th 2017 @ 3:45pm | ! Report

            yes and so was frisby.

            that was like a few weeks back if i recall correct.

            so how come they are not wanted now??

            it is not as if they are injured and on pasture !! ( say like Otere black who is out for the season).

            as others have said this is kind of silly on two fronts.

            on the one side it is not fair by the players , who have no chance of going to another super team – coz everyone has finished naming their squads .

            on the other side how does this work within SANZAAAAR guidelines regarding squad size and naming? is there a rule that allows a team to name their 33 , then fire 2 guys and name 2 others as replacements ??

            i only know that teams are allowed injury replacements – even on short term. but as afar as i know neither Cooper nor Frisby are injured. so how does it work?

            was Crusaders allowed to sign a replacement when Whetu Douglas went to Benetton half way thru super rugger? I dont think so .

    • December 7th 2017 @ 7:13am
      Gray-Hand said | December 7th 2017 @ 7:13am | ! Report

      Baffling decision by Thorn.

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      December 7th 2017 @ 7:48am
      Simon Levingston said | December 7th 2017 @ 7:48am | ! Report

      Brad Thorn is about to be tested in a much tougher arena being a Super Rugby coach. He has done well so far in the NRC, so let’s see how he goes in 2018.

      That leads me to his decision about Quade Cooper. I have a love hate relationship with Cooper. I love him in attack, but hate him in defence. He is 29 and coming to the end of his career. It has become more apparent Cooper remains a weak tackler. This is a skill he seems to have never mastered. Elite rugby players as we approach 2020 must have all the skills to be an elite player. Forwards must have many skills of backs like run and pass. Backs must have many of the skills as forwards. This is the new minimum standard in 2018 and onwards.

      Quade Cooper doesn’t seem to be able to tackle, or takes the soft option by going high or exposing himself to a yellow card. This is how it seems to us armchair critics. He has made himself a liability and as a result not good enough for the new standards required in Super Rugby.

      The All Blacks taught us in Bledisloe 1 that good teams can no longer afford to shuffle the weak players out of the way to load up their team mates because of their deficiencies. Everyone has to step up. This is one of the lessons we learnt in 2017.

      • December 7th 2017 @ 8:05am
        Adsa said | December 7th 2017 @ 8:05am | ! Report

        So Cooper has to learn to tackle in 2018 but as Bledisloe 1 showed Foley and Beale don’t? Wrong franchise Quad you should have gone to Tahs years ago.
        I heard on ABC sport Quade has said he will honour his contract with the QRU and ARU and looks set to play for Souths this year. Magpies odds will have shortened for Hospitals Cup.

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          December 7th 2017 @ 1:57pm
          jeznez said | December 7th 2017 @ 1:57pm | ! Report

          Good on him. Hope he has a blast doing it – and won’t be surprised if he gets an SOS call at some stage.

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            December 7th 2017 @ 4:45pm
            Don said | December 7th 2017 @ 4:45pm | ! Report

            And if he was called up he’d be forgiven for telling the QLD doctors that he felt a hammy twinge playing for Souths the previous weekend and probably should sit out the next few…

            • December 9th 2017 @ 10:31am
              Jacko said | December 9th 2017 @ 10:31am | ! Report

              And then the Club Drs say that is rubbish you are fired for breach of contract for refusing to play…And I believe he is sitting a few out regardless…..

      • December 7th 2017 @ 8:24am
        Dave_S said | December 7th 2017 @ 8:24am | ! Report

        “He has made himself a liability and as a result not good enough for the new standards required in Super Rugby.”

        Except the facts show that the incumbent WB #10 is no better defender and is a far less creative attacker, and the Reds only other specialist #10 is a complete rookie (and not particularly exciting as far as I have seen), and there is no backup who has played more than minutes at 10, and even if you count Duncan P as a backup the Reds do not have enough centres to move Duncan P from 12 into #10, and if you count Hunt as a backup 10 or 12 the Reds do not have another 15, and Cooper has 70 WB caps while the rest of the Reds backline will have barely 70 SR caps between them.

        Maybe it will turn out to be a master stoke by Thorn, but he is rolling the dice on a very low percentage play.

      • December 7th 2017 @ 8:24am
        enoughisenough said | December 7th 2017 @ 8:24am | ! Report

        Oh dear, you do watch the game don’t you Simon? Does this standard only apply to Cooper, and not to Foley, Beale, Hooper, Robinson and Hanigan, all players who are deficient in more than one of the key roles that they are employed for? Or maybe its to do with the fact as so many others point out, that Cooper played for the Reds and the Reds were poor last year. Oh wait….weren’t the Tahs even worse?

      • December 7th 2017 @ 9:57am
        Fionn said | December 7th 2017 @ 9:57am | ! Report

        Simon, do people like you who keep repeating how poor Quade’s defence is, despite the fact that you’re constantly corrected on him being probably better than both Beale and Foley, refuse to go and reexamine your preconceived notions and check whether he really is a worse defender than the others, or is it to justify your preference for other players ahead of him?

        This myth that he is so far and away Australia’s worst defender is corrected so often that I do not know how it is still around.

        To be clear I definitely do not think he is a good defender—Lance and Lealiifano are the only Aussie 10s who could be considered good defenders. However, Quade is really just a part of the pack of poor defenders with Beale and Foley. Not noticeably better or worse than either of then.

      • December 7th 2017 @ 3:50pm
        cuw said | December 7th 2017 @ 3:50pm | ! Report

        this has a lot more than tackling ability as defining criteria.

        people are only talking about Cooper but there is also Frisby.

        basically the REDS have got rid of their old and experienced halves.

        maybe as someone else said , the new coaches want to start with young guys with the future in mind.

        but then this is not just in super rugger. even the auzzy national team thinks that experience and learning is gained at test level .

        only problem with this strategy is , while people learn and gain experience then team will suffer , one way or another.

        • December 7th 2017 @ 10:27pm
          Ruckin Oaf said | December 7th 2017 @ 10:27pm | ! Report

          “basically the REDS have got rid of their old and experienced halves.”

          Yeah and after they passed on Genia.

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        December 8th 2017 @ 2:05pm
        Hoy said | December 8th 2017 @ 2:05pm | ! Report

        “Elite rugby players as we approach 2020 must have all the skills to be an elite player.” At yet, more and more in Australia, we are putting our faith in half baked players without the complete skill sets required…

        Foley – Can’t tackle either, and his attack isn’t very good now you mention it…
        Beale – Can’t tackle, and he certainly can’t seem to be able to catch high balls…
        Hodge – Can’t pass one way, takes forever to kick a ball out of hand…
        Hanigan – Can’t clean out a ruck, can’t make ground with ball in hand…
        Kerevi – Can’t tackle at 13.

    • December 7th 2017 @ 8:03am
      Bring Back...? said | December 7th 2017 @ 8:03am | ! Report

      I suspect it’s a personality issue. On the face of it, Thorn and QC seem unlikely to see eye to eye. QC was public enemy number 1 in NZ during the 2011 RWC in which Thorn played for the ABs….if that has anything to do with it, then that’s a poor reflection on Thorn.

      • December 7th 2017 @ 8:34am
        Pinetree said | December 7th 2017 @ 8:34am | ! Report

        That is a pretty wild assertion that Thorn would have made a decision on the events of the 2011 RWC re Cooper. Far more likely that Thorn sees Cooper’s discipline with yellow cards a problem that could cost his team when on defence, as well as investing in the youth for the future. Presumably, Thorn has seen some good talent from his coaching at the level below SR, and is keen to let them have a shot.

        I will judge Thorn on his results next year, and wish him all the best.

        • December 7th 2017 @ 8:45am
          Bring Back...? said | December 7th 2017 @ 8:45am | ! Report

          Not an assertion, just an observation. Notwithstanding the points you make about up-and-coming talent, I think it’s an odd decision to axe your senior back who sits in a key position. I just think there may be something more to Thorn’s reasoning.

          • December 7th 2017 @ 8:54am
            Pinetree said | December 7th 2017 @ 8:54am | ! Report

            It may be a personality clash between Cooper and Thorn, but I thought is was odd that you thought the 2011 RWC may of had a possibility of being a factor, but I guess who knows? Thorn seems like a bloke that would put the team first based on what he thought was best for results, whether that is a good decision or not.

          • December 7th 2017 @ 9:59am
            Fionn said | December 7th 2017 @ 9:59am | ! Report

            Bring Back, someone else posted on another thread that there are rumours Thorn had handshake agreements with other players to get them into the squad, but once the coaching staff was paid for there wasn’t enough money to bring the players in. Thus, the decision by Thorn is an attempt to get Quade to leave, which opens up about $400,000 for younger players.

            Unsure if true, but this would explain why Thorn switched so quickly from saying on Wednesday that Quade and Stewart would compete for the jersey to saying Quade and Frisby were unwanted.

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              December 7th 2017 @ 10:16am
              PeterK said | December 7th 2017 @ 10:16am | ! Report

              I hope the rumour is true AND Cooper refuses to leave and thus Thorn being so underhanded and sly won’t get his way.

              • December 7th 2017 @ 10:18am
                Fionn said | December 7th 2017 @ 10:18am | ! Report

                Yep, if I was Quade I would consider doing that. Get paid $800,000 for a sabbatical. Gives him time to get over his injuries.

              • December 7th 2017 @ 10:22am
                Bring Back...? said | December 7th 2017 @ 10:22am | ! Report

                Sounds like Thorn needs to slow down his desire for change. You don’t just come in and axe a senior figure like QC and expect everyone to jump on board. QC should go to the Rebels….back with Genia and a promising outfit for 2018.

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                December 8th 2017 @ 6:31am
                taylorman said | December 8th 2017 @ 6:31am | ! Report

                Why not? Cheika did.

              • December 7th 2017 @ 10:26am
                Fionn said | December 7th 2017 @ 10:26am | ! Report

                I’d like him to come to the Brumbies 😛 . I think you’re right though, Bring Back, Quade is very popular with his teammates and the fans up in Queensland. Unless Thorn has success then I can see this decision leading to some discontent.

              • December 7th 2017 @ 12:48pm
                Bring Back...? said | December 7th 2017 @ 12:48pm | ! Report

                You’re better off with Toomua. Would be great to have all of QC, Lance, Foley, Toomua and CLL running around in super rugby.

              • December 7th 2017 @ 1:13pm
                KCR said | December 7th 2017 @ 1:13pm | ! Report

                The chiefs could use an experienced first 5/8 allowing D Mac to play full back and give Falcon time to make the position his own. What better way for Quade to show ra and the qru what a mistake they’ve made. will never happen but would be good.

              • December 7th 2017 @ 4:00pm
                cuw said | December 7th 2017 @ 4:00pm | ! Report

                i think people shud look at the bigger picture.

                who do u have in super rugger as 10s?

                Foley at Waratahs

                CLL at Brumbies

                Stewart at Reds

                Lance at Rebels

                are they gonna spark any fears among the other teams? for me CLL and Foley are the only two may have any impact.

                NZ have always been strong but now with 2 less teams , Saffa will also have more power in super rugger.

                this is the year auzzy shud be looking for better results in super rugger – coz in 2019 most other teams will start giving their test stars a breather , especially in NZ.

          • December 9th 2017 @ 10:40am
            Jacko said | December 9th 2017 @ 10:40am | ! Report

            Bring back….Not an assertion, just an observation.

            .Where did you observe Thorn hating QC from 2011 and dropping because of this? Seems more like a fabrication rather than an observation to me

        • December 7th 2017 @ 10:52am
          enoughisenough said | December 7th 2017 @ 10:52am | ! Report

          So Pinetree, Cheika needs to wield the axe to Hooper, the most carded player in history, and to Beale, who has received cards in each of the last two games he has played if he is to keep up with coaching legend Thorn. It amazes me how people dress up their bias against a player by magnifying his shortcomings and using this as an excuse to vilify or to justify exclusion, yet totally ignore the same or worse in other players.

          • December 7th 2017 @ 11:02am
            Pinetree said | December 7th 2017 @ 11:02am | ! Report

            enoughisenough – I have not offered my opinion at all on whether Cooper should stay or go. I only made a comment that I thought the discipline of Cooper, and the development of youth was more likely a reason for Thorn’s decision to drop Cooper, than what happened at the 2011 RWC.

            If you want my opinion, I think Cooper should stay, as surely he has at least got a lot of experience to pass down to young players. I have defended Cooper many times in the past for hyperbolic criticism.

            Yellow and red cards can cost a team though, and it is something Cooper would want to improve on, as well as the likes of Hooper or SBW.

            • December 7th 2017 @ 3:49pm
              JP said | December 7th 2017 @ 3:49pm | ! Report

              Barrett received 3 Yellow cards in 2017.Hansen should Axe him ay ??

              • December 7th 2017 @ 4:01pm
                cuw said | December 7th 2017 @ 4:01pm | ! Report

                LOL howcome all have forgotten HOOPER – the guy who has like 7 cards, if i recall correct 😛

              • December 7th 2017 @ 4:49pm
                Pinetree said | December 7th 2017 @ 4:49pm | ! Report

                JP – Can you point to the part in my post where I said any player should be axed for receiving cards?

                I said that they would want to improve on it, and nothing more. It just makes sense to not give away red and yellow cards, regardless of how good a player they are.

    • December 7th 2017 @ 8:19am
      enoughisenough said | December 7th 2017 @ 8:19am | ! Report

      Complete rubbish decision by Thorn, which will cost the Reds dearly, on the field and in revenue. Given that Cooper is contracted, and can force the Reds to pay him even though he doesn’t play, and that he’s far and away the best 10 available to the Reds, and that he’s acknowledged as being a great teacher and mentor of the game to up and coming players, there seems to be no rational basis for Thorns decision. I shan’t be a Reds member next year, and I know of quite a few others who have made similar decisions. Cooper deserves better than this treatment from an unproven coach. He’s done far more for Reds rugby than Thorn, and still has much to offer.
      Guys like Simon above, who go to great lengths to show “why Quade isn’t good enough” only succeed in showing they have an irrational bias against the guy, who is in fact a better defender than Foley or Beale, and less of a card magnet than Hooper.

      • December 7th 2017 @ 8:28am
        mania said | December 7th 2017 @ 8:28am | ! Report

        your bromance for quade is uncomfortable. he’s made his decision that doesnt involve quade, who is a liability waiting to happen.
        thorn had success with the u20’s , played for Kangaroos, ABs, Crusdaers,he’s won a WC and a few super rugby titles, stateOfOrigin, League WorldCups,. shtloads more than quade has ever achieved.
        i think the QLD powers that be have shown who they think will be good for the club.
        i imagine most of QLD’ers agree with me more than your sycophantic baseless rant.

        • December 7th 2017 @ 9:56am
          TC said | December 7th 2017 @ 9:56am | ! Report

          Except for Lynah, name one QLD 10 better than Quade in the last 20 years.

          • December 7th 2017 @ 11:34am
            Pilferer said | December 7th 2017 @ 11:34am | ! Report

            Barnes and flatley

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              December 7th 2017 @ 12:14pm
              PeterK said | December 7th 2017 @ 12:14pm | ! Report


              • December 7th 2017 @ 12:23pm
                Pilferer said | December 7th 2017 @ 12:23pm | ! Report

                Yes peter we all know your opinion is the one that counts

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                December 7th 2017 @ 12:29pm
                PeterK said | December 7th 2017 @ 12:29pm | ! Report

                glad we can agree about something then

              • December 7th 2017 @ 1:41pm
                Dave_S said | December 7th 2017 @ 1:41pm | ! Report

                Barnes and Flatley were both good but I’d lick Quade over them.

              • December 7th 2017 @ 4:54pm
                Dave_S said | December 7th 2017 @ 4:54pm | ! Report

                You know I meant “pick” right guys … not that there’s anything wrong with that …

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                December 7th 2017 @ 2:16pm
                piru said | December 7th 2017 @ 2:16pm | ! Report

                Barnes was criminally underrated by all and sundry in Australia

                He was a far better option than Foley OR Cooper

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                December 7th 2017 @ 3:51pm
                PeterK said | December 7th 2017 @ 3:51pm | ! Report

                Barnes in his 4 years at the tahs 2010-2013 was outplayed by QC head to head everytime.

                In his 4 years at the reds he never rose to the heights of performance that QC did.

                Yes he was consistent, and tried hard but didn’t organise the backs into attacking threats.

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                December 7th 2017 @ 4:00pm
                piru said | December 7th 2017 @ 4:00pm | ! Report

                He had the bad luck to be playing at a time when Cooper’s attacking play was the talk of the town, but many were already pointing out his defensive frailties.

                Barnes defended like a trooper (of course he managed to get a heap of concussions) but on the occasions he did play 10 for the Wallabies he looked far more in control than Cooper did.

                Barnes put players into space, he had an accurate kicking game, and was able to read a defence far better than Cooper or Foley

                No doubt someone will dig up a stat now to show that my memory is incorrect and Cooper scored .7 of a try more over 20 tests or something

              • December 7th 2017 @ 4:56pm
                Dave_S said | December 7th 2017 @ 4:56pm | ! Report

                Barnes was a quality player, but not a great playmaker, and probably better at 12.

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                December 7th 2017 @ 4:10pm
                PeterK said | December 7th 2017 @ 4:10pm | ! Report

                He did have a very good kicking game, he didn’t put players into space at all, he lacked in the playmaking department.

              • December 7th 2017 @ 4:55pm
                soapit said | December 7th 2017 @ 4:55pm | ! Report

                barnes was a good 12 but not a good game manager.

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                December 7th 2017 @ 4:59pm
                piru said | December 7th 2017 @ 4:59pm | ! Report

                He did have a very good kicking game, he didn’t put players into space at all,

                Beg to differ, they did a breakdown of his ability to draw a defender on kick chase (or whatever it was called back then) and showed multiple situations where he had done just that.

                I remember it clearly because one of the clowns (Clarke maybe) was banging on about how he ‘puts his eyes out’ and then ‘puts his eyes back in’ – it’s still a topic of some mirth at my place

            • December 7th 2017 @ 3:53pm
              JP said | December 7th 2017 @ 3:53pm | ! Report

              Naaaah Flatley was a better 12 and Barnes kicked the ball too much ..When was the last champion Waratah flyhalf is a better question…Mark Ella 1985 then ???????????

              • December 7th 2017 @ 4:27pm
                DLKN said | December 7th 2017 @ 4:27pm | ! Report

                In Berrick’s defence, he did have to play outside Burgo and his Harbour Bridge passes at the Tahs.

              • December 9th 2017 @ 7:25pm
                Bakkies said | December 9th 2017 @ 7:25pm | ! Report

                Knox and he played better Rugby for the Brumbies

          • December 7th 2017 @ 5:30pm
            Jock Cornet said | December 7th 2017 @ 5:30pm | ! Report

            Name one worse

            • December 8th 2017 @ 11:52am
              Marto said | December 8th 2017 @ 11:52am | ! Report


              • December 9th 2017 @ 10:48am
                Jacko said | December 9th 2017 @ 10:48am | ! Report

                Real shame you didnt read the question Marto…When did Foley play for QLD?

        • December 7th 2017 @ 10:24am
          Ken Catchpole's Other Leg said | December 7th 2017 @ 10:24am | ! Report

          Meanwhile mania, your bromance with Thorn, an untested Super level coach should be seen as ‘comfortable’?
          You are correct. There is a sychophantic theme running here – indicated by your venture into the personal to win points for your argument.
          Your use of the slur ‘Bromance’ – Preceding your fawning list of beloved Brad’s ‘legitimate’ rugby achievements, none of which include unlocking the Crusaders or ABs defenses, on the way to points, on multiple occasions.
          We get it. Brad=Good, Quade=Bad.
          And who is your team mania?
          Bromance?!? Ha!
          (Btw, I like Thorn. Strikes me as a top bloke. His infallibility is yet to be confirmed though).

          • December 7th 2017 @ 10:42am
            mania said | December 7th 2017 @ 10:42am | ! Report

            i dont have a bromance for thorn. no where near as sycophantic as shown here.
            i personally couldnt care less about either of them. doesnt affect me in the slightest but i come on this site to discuss those issues aus.
            i wish quade luck in his future.
            i can understand why thorn dropped him. try some new blood and different things hoping for different results. obviously thorn wants to change the toxic culture that seems to inflict quade
            its thorns team now and he should be allowed to run it as he sees fit.
            unfortunate for quade but with all quades skills being espoused here then im sure he shouldnt have any problems finding a new berth.

            • December 7th 2017 @ 2:05pm
              Charlie Turner said | December 7th 2017 @ 2:05pm | ! Report

              Mania, I think you’d be very surprised with the amount of support there is for Cooper in Qld. Personally I rate the guy, not doubt he can be erratic but he’s the kind of player that attracts crowds which is something Qld and Australian rugby need. If you’ve seen him around juniors in Brisbane you would realise that alone is worth the price of his contract.

              Beales comments are meaningless but Slippers (a Reds legend) circumspect support is telling. It’s Thorns prerogative to build the squad he wants and the Reds board have obviously given him the mandate. The problem I have is cutting a player on such a high salary with the hope he will oblige and walk away is amateur and disrespectful and Slipper’s tone indicates he’s aware of this. The comment above recognising Thorns history is correct however at this point in time he’s achieved nothing for Reds rugby.

              Thorn has ridden into Ballymore on his Blue Ox and is swinging his axe. Time will tell if Cooper becomes a rod for his back but he now needs to deliver results and excuses of a young misfiring flyhalf will be met with derision. The question from the Reds faithful is does Thorn have the humility to recall Cooper from Chipsy Wood Oval if the Hamish Stewart experiment goes pear shape?

              • Roar Guru

                December 7th 2017 @ 6:49pm
                jeznez said | December 7th 2017 @ 6:49pm | ! Report

                Beale is clearly trying to undermine yet another coach.

                Just an entitled Waratah coming out in support of his mate. How does he sleep at night!?!

              • Roar Rookie

                December 7th 2017 @ 6:59pm
                piru said | December 7th 2017 @ 6:59pm | ! Report

                I guess in his flouro budgie smugglers on top of his pile of money

              • December 7th 2017 @ 7:42pm
                Charlie Turner said | December 7th 2017 @ 7:42pm | ! Report

                Beales comments were meaningless because they were made from a position of safety whereas Slipper came out in support despite the intentions of his Reds coach. Perhaps Beale made a public statement on Cooper being sacked by Cheika and I missed it.

          • December 7th 2017 @ 1:19pm
            mania said | December 7th 2017 @ 1:19pm | ! Report

            and my teams are manuSamoa, ABs and Hurricanes

            • December 7th 2017 @ 4:01pm
              Marto said | December 7th 2017 @ 4:01pm | ! Report

              HAHAHA… Who did you support this year when the Manu got flogged by the ALL BLECKS 76/0 ?? …

              Did you wear your half Blue, half Black jersey? , or did you have the ALL BLECK jersey on under your blue jersey and when it was halftime you took off the manu jersey and chucked it in the Chully bun????

              Get outta here USO….hahahaha.

              • Roar Rookie

                December 7th 2017 @ 7:01pm
                piru said | December 7th 2017 @ 7:01pm | ! Report

                What did you do while the Wallabies were getting spanked by Scotland Marto?

                Moan about Foley?

              • December 8th 2017 @ 4:47am
                mania said | December 8th 2017 @ 4:47am | ! Report

                i supported the manu then, just like the time they thrashed the WBs

                whats your point? i know samoa are a tier 2 nation, thats not why i support them.

                or do you only support teams that win? well welcome to the ABs fan club then Marto USO.

              • December 8th 2017 @ 11:50am
                Marto said | December 8th 2017 @ 11:50am | ! Report

                No Piru ,NOOOOOOO ….HAHA…..I was laughing whilst The iceman Foley got schooled by Finn Russell..Foley is a dud and we will continue to lose with him at 10.

        • December 7th 2017 @ 1:45pm
          Dave_S said | December 7th 2017 @ 1:45pm | ! Report

          “i imagine most of QLD’ers agree with me more”

          Judging by the comments here and on the Reds Facebook page, it’s about 90% against

          • December 7th 2017 @ 4:14pm
            enoughisenough said | December 7th 2017 @ 4:14pm | ! Report

            I cut Maniac a bit of slack mate. I don’t think he gets out much, its either his Mums basement, or protective custody and hence he leaves things to his “imagination”. But yes his comments show just how far out of touch, and wrong he is.

          • December 9th 2017 @ 10:51am
            Jacko said | December 9th 2017 @ 10:51am | ! Report

            Dave its not QLD supporters wanting Quade to play for them….PeterK doesnt even support the REDS so I certainly understand why he WANTS QC to play for them…It give his team a better shot at winning

        • December 7th 2017 @ 4:08pm
          cuw said | December 7th 2017 @ 4:08pm | ! Report


          ” thorn had success with the u20’s , played for Kangaroos, ABs, Crusdaers,he’s won a WC and a few super rugby titles, stateOfOrigin, League WorldCups,. shtloads more than quade has ever achieved ”

          so that makes THORN a good coach?

          what exactly has he achieved at Under 20?? won inside Australia ? SO WHAT??

          has he won an under 20 world cup? or even been to a final? i mean as a coach 😀

          the last time auzzy made into under 20 semis was in 2011. 😛

          as a coach Thorn has achieved nothing.

          of course he is a great player – one of the very few to have won almost all the trophies that matter on both sides of the world.

          but then that does not make him a great coach overnight.

          compare apples with apples – we are not talking about Thorn the player and Cooper the player and trying to judge who has achieved more.


          • December 9th 2017 @ 10:54am
            Jacko said | December 9th 2017 @ 10:54am | ! Report

            CUW you have surprised me…I thought you followed rugby closer than not knowing that in Thorns FIRST coaching gig he WON the NRC with the team that finished wooden spoon the year before…That = no coaching success to you but to me that means 100% win record as a head coach

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