It’s time for football to stop being treated like an exclusive club in Australia

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    In the words of the late Les Murray, football is the world game, and if statistics are anything to go by, it should be Australia’s game.

    There are more people playing football in Australia than any other sport. The game should be booming on every level here. Football people, however, have forever resented how mainstream Australia and particularly the media have neglected it.

    They are right to an extent. Until the Socceroos started making World Cups, most Australians didn’t care about the game, and consequently the media focused on the other major codes, such as AFL and NRL.

    However, football in Australia must accept some of the blame, mostly for its exclusivity element. Ange Postecoglou might know a thing or two about it now he isn’t going to Russia.

    It is human nature for those who are passionate about football and who have kept the game alive to want an element of control. However, these wonderful servants to the game need to start letting go to allow fresh blood to come in and grow the game – perhaps even those on the ‘outside’.

    The power struggle between the FFA and the A-League owners is but one example.

    (Don Arnold/Getty Images)

    If we look at the old NSL, each club had an ethnic element, and as much as many of those clubs publicly stated that fans from all backgrounds were welcome, it was very clear there was a level of exclusivity there. Most Melbourne Knights fans were Croatian, Marconi fans were generally Italian, South Melbourne fans were predominately Greek and so on.

    Growing up a Sydney Olympic fan, a few times I’d get the odd – though light-hearted – comment about me not being Greek, which didn’t worry me one bit but which showed the mentality of some fans.

    There was absolutely nothing wrong with acknowledging the ethnic background of these clubs – after all, it was an important part of their history and that of Australian football – but this was a classic example of the exclusiveness of the game here.

    Part of this was driven by inherent racism faced by Europeans when they first arrived in Australia. Have a read of Sheilas, Wogs and Poofters by Johnny Warren to gain an understanding of this.

    However, this is not a reason for clubs at high levels to have ethnic-based exclusion, and although many will deny it, there is no doubt this happened. Thankfully the game and clubs had to evolve and hence the old NSL was scrapped for the new inclusive A-League in 2005.

    (Chris / Flickr)

    If we look at the NPL level, slowly but surely the old NSL clubs have welcomed fans from all backgrounds, but you can’t help but feel the ethnic element is still there. Personally I don’t have a problem with this – after all, I love the tradition of football clubs, which is what ignites passion – but the reality is that many still feel that ethnic divisions among those clubs are an issue, which is why the NPL here has not really demonstrated itself as a realistic option for a genuine second-tier competition.

    These clubs will get the best players from all types of backgrounds, but when it comes to the people in charge, they predominately come from the ethnic background of each particular club. This is not necessarily wrong, but the question must be asked: are they the best people for the job? They are the ones making important decisions.

    If we look at lower levels of football in Australia, even the suburban or regional leagues, there are plenty of examples of committees who refuse to think outside the box and who are reluctant to let others get involved. It is human nature for people to go on power trips and think they know everything, but this will alienate new people and stop new ideas. The irony is that these committee members then whinge that no-one else wants to help and use that to justify the fact they are in charge of everything.

    How about making people feel welcome rather than ostracised? The FFA is a classic example of this: the A-League owners, who are forking out millions and losing money in the process, should definitely have a bigger say in what happens. After all, it is their money and they have a right to have a say what happens with it. If they don’t, we will lose these owners, who are investors of the game, and we will have financially struggling clubs. This would take football backwards.

    If we look at the A-League, some of the decisions made in recent times have been absolutely bewildering. Why on earth were North Queensland and Gold Coast brought in before Western Sydney, apart from the exclusive rights Sydney FC had to the region? Why is Wellington Phoenix, an A-League basket case, being allowed to stay in the league and Southern Sydney, with their huge Chinese investment, being stopped or suppressed?

    Southern Expansion have plans to build a privately-funded football stadium as well as bring in rich foreign investment, yet they have not been given a clear indication of how welcome they are. They had plans to bring in a W-League team already this season but were firmly rejected when everything was ready to go.

    The FFA will blame governance issues, but in is it possible that they saw foreign investors as a threat? The game could suffer as we don’t want these Chinese investors to lose interest and take their money elsewhere. The game here needs it.

    Speaking of the W-League, women’s sport is hot right now, so why has there been minimal talk of expansion? The FFA will brag about the new pay deal and the new TV deal, but in reality there should be far more done.

    (AAP Image/Dean Lewins)

    The W-League has existed for ten years and only this year has it really attracted any TV interest. Why isn’t every game being covered? The FFA should be willing to accept any deal to cover W-League games. Why aren’t W-League games played before and/or after A-League games? There would be bigger crowds, TV cameras are already there, and it would lead to more support for the women.

    Women in football have always been neglected in the past. There was very much an old boys mentality that existed and still does, to an extent. Football people will argue this exists in the AFL and NRL and in society in general – and they would be right – but let’s look at our own house.

    This mentality is a huge reason why the Matildas and the W-League have always been neglected. In recent times football is thankfully evolving, and the Matildas are gaining a huge fan base as the new generation of football fans come through.

    The W-League is attracting world-class players. However, we can only realise its full potential if we get rid of the old-school mentality that still exists in football from grassroots to the top level.

    All in all, football people in Australia can blame everyone else for their failures, but perhaps it’s time for them to look at themselves. Football cannot afford to be exclusive anymore – there is far too much at stake.

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    • January 11th 2018 @ 2:44am
      Jeff dustby said | January 11th 2018 @ 2:44am | ! Report

      Until the Socceroos started making World Cups, most Australians didn’t care about the game, and consequently the media focused on the other major codes, such as AFL and NRL. – this is not true. There has been wide support for football for a long time

      There was very much an old boys mentality that existed and still does
      – ho do you know this? Have you sat in on meetings or personally spoken to any administrators? Or maybe are you just throwing out another cliche ?

    • January 11th 2018 @ 7:46am
      Nemesis said | January 11th 2018 @ 7:46am | ! Report

      A few days ago, some Crash & Bash fan who tries to be a football groupie tried to tell us “sokkah is low quality McDonald’s type product”.

      Today, someone else tells us “sokkah must stop being an exclusive club”.

      Football is the most popular team sport right across Australia; not just in little pockets. It’s popular with men & women. Young and old. Rich & poor. Every religion. No religion. Every ethnicity.

      If you don’t like us.
      We don’t care.

      • January 11th 2018 @ 8:31am
        Hubris said | January 11th 2018 @ 8:31am | ! Report

        Disliking you is not the same as disliking football.

      • January 11th 2018 @ 8:43am
        JANAKAN said | January 11th 2018 @ 8:43am | ! Report

        @Nemesis THATS the point. Its popular but has so many dramas. It isn’t a super successful as other codes? Why? It’s improving but reality is it’s got too many political issues.

        Also when someone new Comes in they are kept out because people in the game want to control it.

        Make no mistake there’s an exclusive element to football. I have talked to players are w league and NPL level and they all say that.

        Fact Is people wanna call it “sokkah” than soccer shows the silly mentality of the so called custodians of the game.

        And to make stuff up like I don’t like the game cause you don’t like what I say is childish.

        @Nemesis won’t you the one who suggested having a team based on ages??? Haha it was ridicous yet you’re little exclusive clique patted you on the back for it hahahh

        • January 11th 2018 @ 9:45am
          Lionheart said | January 11th 2018 @ 9:45am | ! Report

          It isn’t a super successful as other codes? you say, or ask. What is that based on? The club game? at city and State level, or the national club level? The national game? male or female? The regional game, intercontinental?
          My guess is that you are comparing the A League to the NRL and AFL. But you miss the point, that’s all those codes have got.
          Not as super successful. dear me.

      • January 11th 2018 @ 9:20am
        Jeff dustby said | January 11th 2018 @ 9:20am | ! Report

        Nice point nemesis, except that your main paragraph is totally false

        • January 11th 2018 @ 2:28pm
          Kangajets said | January 11th 2018 @ 2:28pm | ! Report

          Nemesis is correct , re rick disneck comments

          Maccas is the bbl

          And the A league is like super marios chippy,

          I find marios to be very inclusive of their customers, with great customer service for all types of people

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            January 11th 2018 @ 3:25pm
            Rick Disnick said | January 11th 2018 @ 3:25pm | ! Report

            I think you’ll find Fuss is wrong as usual regarding my comments, Kanga.

            At no stage did I say ‘sokkah’ or football is a low quality McDonald’s type product. However, I did suggest the A-League was… well more like your corner fish & chip store to be precise.

            Some people feel the need to twist the truth around here due to their insecurities. I’m fine with that. It doesn’t go unnoticed.

            As for the rest of this t@rd of an article, I’m surprised anyone commented at all.

            • January 11th 2018 @ 4:01pm
              Kangajets said | January 11th 2018 @ 4:01pm | ! Report

              Apologies to u rick

              I thought we traded food analysis and pie wars

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                January 11th 2018 @ 4:28pm
                Rick Disnick said | January 11th 2018 @ 4:28pm | ! Report

                We did, but please don’t associate me with anything he has to say in the future.

                Thank you.

      • January 12th 2018 @ 7:07pm
        steve said | January 12th 2018 @ 7:07pm | ! Report

        As keeps getting pointed out to you and which you continue to ignore, all of these people that support the game that you keep talking about, more than 80% of these football fans, couldn’t care less about the country’s top level competition. They don’t watch, it, they don’t attend the games. They don’t engage. They simply don’t care. And this is the group of people you keep telling everyone that makes the game the most popular team sport in the country. Source – The FFA’s own report into the game.

        If the large majority of the games own supporters don’t care about the top competition in the country then it really isn’t looking too good, no matter how much you preach about it. Maybe it wouldn’t be wise to keep slamming the Casual Sports Fan. The game might need them. But we all know you will keep doing it.

    • January 11th 2018 @ 8:00am
      j,binnie said | January 11th 2018 @ 8:00am | ! Report

      Janakan – An interesting article which,if I were in the mood and had the time I could discuss with you at length, but such would be the length I think the administrators of these columns would have to call a halt long before we even got halfway into the analysis.
      You see I have had an interest in football,direct and indirect, for all of the time span you discuss (and even longer) and though much of what you say has more than a modicum of common sense such is the history of football/soccer and its administrations at club, and parent body level, (much of it based on myth and innuendo), that it is almost impossible to single out “where it all went wrong” for our game.
      Suffice to say we have improved despite those “myths” (and downright lies), so there has to be some latent force that keeps propelling the game “forward” despite it’s past and it is this force,that no doubt with the best of intentions,you have tried,and IMO have, failed, to isolate.
      I must add,do not blame yourself , as I read the supposed histories of the game It never fails to cause me wonder as to where, and how, these “historical facts” came into existence.
      Let us hope the “improvement” does continue despite the effects of those “historical factors” that in many cases you highlight, broad reasons as to why the decisions were in fact destructive to the advancement of the game.
      Keep up the good work. Cheers jb.

      • January 11th 2018 @ 9:31am
        mattq said | January 11th 2018 @ 9:31am | ! Report

        JB, this reads like I know the answers but I can’t say because it will take too long and no one will understand because they haven’t been around as long as me. if you know the answers, why not put them down (or even some) in point form so we can take a look and discuss?

        • January 11th 2018 @ 11:55am
          j,binnie said | January 11th 2018 @ 11:55am | ! Report

          mattq – have done, see below. jb

    • January 11th 2018 @ 8:34am
      JANAKAN said | January 11th 2018 @ 8:34am | ! Report

      Hi Jeff
      I have played, refereed, coached and served on committees. I have seen the sport from a variety of angles. Yes it’s very much an exclusive club and sometimes and old boys club. ITs changing to be fair which is great but needs to be quicker. Football/soccer is by far the most political game in our country.

      Have a look at some people on here, haha they think they know everything and anyone else who comes in with an opinion is made to be an outcast if they have a differing view.

      The people who are part of the clique in here always pay each other on the back for coming up with a different idea no matter how quirky it is. Someone knew comes in they are ridiculed hahaha it’s funny though and I enjoy it.

      • January 11th 2018 @ 9:19am
        Redondo said | January 11th 2018 @ 9:19am | ! Report

        Janakan

        You are ridiculed because your articles are full of unsubstantiated claims and non-sequiturs, and you respond to the inevitable criticism with juvenile insults.

        I don’t think the people on here think they know everything, they just think they know more about Football than you. And every time you say something you prove them right.

        • January 11th 2018 @ 9:39am
          Janakan said | January 11th 2018 @ 9:39am | ! Report

          Unsubstantiated in your opinion. Personally I think my articles are backed up with reasonable evidence. You don’t agree fair enough. I enjoy the criticism it gives me a lot of amusement.

          Particularly when the clique here come up with outrageous suggestions and get a pat on the back from each other hahahaha it’s so funny

          • January 11th 2018 @ 2:36pm
            Kangajets said | January 11th 2018 @ 2:36pm | ! Report

            I agree with redondo

            Soccer clubs are fully accepting of whoever whatever as long as you are a good person

            At the professional level, Newcastle jets embrace multicultural principles are a massive part of the community

      • January 11th 2018 @ 9:20am
        chris said | January 11th 2018 @ 9:20am | ! Report

        I have one word for you…”Grammar”

        • January 11th 2018 @ 11:14am
          Grammar police. said | January 11th 2018 @ 11:14am | ! Report

          Your sentence is grammatically incorrect Chris.

          • January 11th 2018 @ 12:00pm
            chris said | January 11th 2018 @ 12:00pm | ! Report

            • January 11th 2018 @ 12:34pm
              Grammar police said | January 11th 2018 @ 12:34pm | ! Report

              You don’t need to put grammar in quotation marks.

              A colon instead of an ellipsis would be more appropriate too.

              • January 11th 2018 @ 1:17pm
                chris said | January 11th 2018 @ 1:17pm | ! Report

                I was signifying the spoken word.
                I think if an author is going to write an article and then respond to comments, he/she should at least run it through a spell checker. It’s just plain laziness for an author not to do so.

              • January 11th 2018 @ 2:15pm
                Grammar police said | January 11th 2018 @ 2:15pm | ! Report

                I agree entirely.

                The article however is of a significantly improved quality than the comments, which is puzzling.

              • January 11th 2018 @ 2:17pm
                chris said | January 11th 2018 @ 2:17pm | ! Report

                I think the comments reflect his state of mind. Just lashing out and basically not paying attention to what he/she is writing.

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                January 11th 2018 @ 3:43pm
                Rick Disnick said | January 11th 2018 @ 3:43pm | ! Report

                I suggest you both learn the meaning of the word ‘grammar’.

                It has f#^kall to do with what either of you are arguing about.

              • January 11th 2018 @ 3:52pm
                chris said | January 11th 2018 @ 3:52pm | ! Report

                Oh go away

              • January 11th 2018 @ 4:01pm
                chris said | January 11th 2018 @ 4:01pm | ! Report

                ..im sure to an intellectual giant like yourself, the article and his comments were grammatically correct.

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                January 11th 2018 @ 4:23pm
                Rick Disnick said | January 11th 2018 @ 4:23pm | ! Report

                I don’t pass judement on peoples writing ability, especially on a site like this. I will, however, pass judement upon any grammar naz! who is rubbish at English.

                We have a few Roarers who fit this description within this very thread.

              • January 11th 2018 @ 4:31pm
                chris said | January 11th 2018 @ 4:31pm | ! Report

                If you are going to write an article and then pass comments in regards to that article then have the decency to pass it through a spell checker and grammar checker. I don’t comment on commentators grammar and or spelling as that is not the point I am making.
                We all make mistakes etc.
                As an author, different rules apply.

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                January 11th 2018 @ 4:50pm
                Rick Disnick said | January 11th 2018 @ 4:50pm | ! Report

                I see your point. I just don’t agree with it on a site like this. However, give constructive feedback to the author if you choose to do so. For example:

                The grammar is acceptable for this type of article in my humble opinion. It’s not going to win any literay awards though.

                The ‘mechanics’ is the main issue, bogging the article down in the middle sections.

                I think you’ll find yourself largely agreeing with me if you’re honest.

      • January 11th 2018 @ 9:22am
        Jeff dustby said | January 11th 2018 @ 9:22am | ! Report

        How could you possibly know if football is more political than all other sports ?

        • January 11th 2018 @ 10:57am
          Sydneysider said | January 11th 2018 @ 10:57am | ! Report

          The author thinks football is more political than other sports??? Has he seen the politics involved in rugby union in Australia????

          • January 11th 2018 @ 12:02pm
            chris said | January 11th 2018 @ 12:02pm | ! Report

            Sydneysider Rugby is not a threat to the sports the author follows so he just keeps attacking football even though he never goes to games.

            • January 11th 2018 @ 1:02pm
              JANAKAN said | January 11th 2018 @ 1:02pm | ! Report

              @Chris making stuff up won’t make you right nor does it provide a sound argument lol sayings I don’t go to games Is making things up. Lol got anything truthful to say?

              • January 11th 2018 @ 1:23pm
                chris said | January 11th 2018 @ 1:23pm | ! Report

                Janakan you have shown in previous articles to have zero credibility on matters pertaining to football. The points you make and the way you express them show a complete lack of substance and as a previous commentator stated, is the reason you are ridiculed. You can say its the “soccer cliques” on here etc etc, but if you are a regular reader on the football tab, you will know that we in the “soccer clique” criticise each other more than anything else. But we do have one common thread and that is our love for football and the desire to see it grow in this country.
                You making comments like “soccer sucks compared to AFL” or words to that effect, just shows you to be the impostor that you are.

              • January 11th 2018 @ 2:49pm
                JANAKAN said | January 11th 2018 @ 2:49pm | ! Report

                @Chris couldn’t care less what’s your view is on my credibility haha all I know is you are shaking in your boots cause I have a view that you don’t like.

                Soccer does fail compared to AFL in terms of the success of the premier national competition in each code. So what? Let’s make it better.

                The constant argument some people make on here that afl is not international as a way to demean it is hilarious. We aren’t always talking about the median

              • January 11th 2018 @ 3:10pm
                Kangajets said | January 11th 2018 @ 3:10pm | ! Report

                Janakan

                Which A leagues have you been to??

                I watch every game and I would like to discuss the game.

                Cheers

    • January 11th 2018 @ 9:26am
      Worried said | January 11th 2018 @ 9:26am | ! Report

      A couple of issues seem to be forgotten in your argument.
      The media coverage of the NRL is not because of its popularity, it is because the sport is owned by the media, they have a vested interest in promoting the sport they own. That’s not going to change.
      The attitude of clubs to outsiders is not exclusive to football, as someone who has been involved in a number of clubs both sporting and other, this attitude is typical. As people serving on committees develop an ownership mentality towards their group, its normal, and its in all clubs of all types.
      In the rush to set up the A-League, the banning of ethnic identities was a MISTAKE, a big mistake. The FFA threw out nearly 100 years of football tradition in doing so. Was there a need to modify the situation, obviously YES but a few rules and regulations might have solved the problems without driving a rift between various parts of the sport. I fail to see how a club based on a group of Scottish immigrants is any different to a club based on a group of Italian immigrants. But one is allowed to keep its heritage, whilst the other isn’t! Doesn’t sound like an Aussie Fair Go to me!

      • January 11th 2018 @ 9:37am
        mattq said | January 11th 2018 @ 9:37am | ! Report

        what you say has some merit worth further discussion. A modified NCIP where clubs with ethnic heritage could keep their names (that don’t refer to actual countries) and background yet still remove all evidence of foreign association (i.e. flags etc.). Not sure this would have been enough to rescue football in 2005 though. Perhaps a mix of the old clubs and some new broadbased clubs could have been a better way to go instead of all broad based. but I believe there were some issues re: finances and bids which may have excluded most if not all of the existing ethnic based clubs anyway (i.e. Adelaide City being replaced by United in the final season of the NSL)?

        • January 11th 2018 @ 11:51am
          j,binnie said | January 11th 2018 @ 11:51am | ! Report

          mattq – you accuse me of generalisation elsewhere on this column and yet here you are picking out one subject it is obvious you don’t know too much about.
          Let me explain.
          Some years ago poker machines were banned in Queensland and the money generated from that source helped to build a completely new “sports” structure in NSW. with licensed “clubs” sprouting at all NRL identities and this money meant that all the best players in that code were lured to NSW..
          When the then administrators tried to expand the lure of the code by introducing an annual NSW v Queensland game it was an absolute and total financial disaster.
          It took the thoughts of a politician, armed with knowledge pertaining to English football, to change that situation into the mega attraction it has become ,a State of Origin series.
          Now I refer to this simply to point out that in the early 70’s this NSW example of sporting wealth began to penetrate to football clubs and in the cases of Hakoah,,Marconi and Sydney and Melbourne Croatia, a look into their “backgrounds” will point out that these hard working immigrants toiled hard and long to establish their own social clubs where they could gather and relax.and I think you will find their “soccer clubs” became part and parcel of that entertainment package.But a closer look at the administration “set-ups” will show that it was not the football people who controlled the money,but the annually appointed committee of the registered social club..
          Along came the NSL and it is then we find who the true strong clubs are ,or to be exact, what teams were being “backed ” by strong social club backing such as the Hakoah Club at Bondi and the Marconi Social Club at Fairfield.
          To join the NSL a bond of $50,000 had to be posted ,and to the best of my knowledge there was only one football club in the country that could present money like that without going cap -in – hand to those same Social Club Finance Committees and that club was Brisbane Lions ,who over the years had purchased and developed their own grounds and owned income earning real estate around the area.
          The truth of the matter was that many NSL identities had very little financial assets that they could say were owned and operated by the football club.
          Hakoah/Eastern Suburbs/Sydney City are the classic example of this fact of life.
          After dominating the league for nearly 10 years the Hakoah Social Club withdrew their funding mid-season and the club “folded” as an NSL identity.
          Many in football will tell you it was Frank Lowy who withdrew them, but that is downright mis-information for Frank,who had walked away from the game some 3 years earlier, due to political maneuverings,was actually in the “retention group” that was beaten at a committee meeting.
          If you accept what I have attempted to explain to you re. the financial affairs of NSL clubs,can you start to consider the ramifications when those same “strong” NSL clubs went along and asked their social club backers for a $5 million bond ,and another $3 or 4 millions to set up a full time professional club.
          I’ll leave that to you.
          Sorry about the length of the explanation but that is only one minor part of my football recollections. Cheers jb.

          • January 11th 2018 @ 1:44pm
            Melange said | January 11th 2018 @ 1:44pm | ! Report

            JB – I always read with interest your historical notes on the game, it’s always great to get more detail/context on the history of the game in Australia from someone who has lived it. Thanks!

            • January 11th 2018 @ 2:08pm
              punter said | January 11th 2018 @ 2:08pm | ! Report

              Melange, I too love reading JB’s historical account of what actually happened as he was very prominent in those times. Interesting that the author goes nowhere nears JB’s comments as he knows he’d call the author out to be a fraud.

              • January 11th 2018 @ 3:12pm
                Kangajets said | January 11th 2018 @ 3:12pm | ! Report

                Punter

                I think i was around the same time as j b .

                I vividly remember the N s l starting … Sydney city stole Newcastle k b united best player .

                Big crowds at the beginning of nsl

              • January 11th 2018 @ 3:56pm
                punter said | January 11th 2018 @ 3:56pm | ! Report

                Kanga, I think you will find that JB was very much involved from an administrative side of things in those days. He was very much involved in changing the NSL to a summer comp.

              • January 11th 2018 @ 4:05pm
                Kangajets said | January 11th 2018 @ 4:05pm | ! Report

                Brisbane Lions from what I can gather .

              • January 11th 2018 @ 7:51pm
                j,binnie said | January 11th 2018 @ 7:51pm | ! Report

                Kangajets – Here are some figures to use in discussion,
                In the late 1960’s, early 70’s I was running a local first division team in Brisbane.
                Our average crowd was around 1000 spectators.
                Come the NSL, I was at Brisbane Lions and they were drawing about 3000 spectators.
                Last season ,2016, Brisbane Roar averaged 13,000 to every game.
                So in the last 50 years the average crowd figure has increased by—- 1200%
                If that’s not progress I don’t know what is. Cheers jb.

          • January 11th 2018 @ 2:21pm
            chris said | January 11th 2018 @ 2:21pm | ! Report

            Gee I remember my dad taking me to watch Apia, Hakoah etc.
            Agenor Muniz (I think thats how you spell it?) used to make everyone’s blood boil haha.
            Basically because he was an outstanding player.

            • January 11th 2018 @ 3:14pm
              Kangajets said | January 11th 2018 @ 3:14pm | ! Report

              Chris

              I used to be glued to sbs and les Murray for the Apia or Marconi games against Olympic or united

              Was fascinated by it all as a youngster .

          • January 11th 2018 @ 2:51pm
            mattq said | January 11th 2018 @ 2:51pm | ! Report

            thanks JB. So once again, their narrow appeal restricted their (perceived?) funding sources to their own social clubs? Is that what you’re saying? That the strong NSL clubs themselves couldn’t afford the pro set up and their own social clubs wouldn’t (couldn’t) back them financially? Does this not provide more ammunition for new broadbased franchises entire cities and regions could get behind?

          • January 11th 2018 @ 3:03pm
            Janakan said | January 11th 2018 @ 3:03pm | ! Report

            Thanks for that historical insight JB.

            What you are indicating is that the old NSL clubs relied heavily on their ethnic social clubs to be able to compete at the highest level. This shows my point, because these ethnic social clubs (predominately comprising people of that particular ethnic background) funded the soccer clubs they had a strong amount of control over them. These ethnic social clubs were very exclusive (with women and other ethnic groups) which clearly shows that soccer was exclusive back then which proves my point.

            You are spot on in that money from clubs that had poker machines put a huge amount of cash into sports and in particular rugby league. But please note a lot of these clubs that got affiliated with rugby league were not entirely ethnic based and were certainly not as exclusive as the social clubs affiliated with the old ethnic NSL clubs.

            Anyway we are in 2018 now and we need to move forward. The old school soccer people who were great custodians of the game need to move aside slowly and allow the modern business man or world savvy administrator to take over soccer.

            Andrew Demetriou or Brian Cook (the best administrator in the land) would be great people to run FFA. Cook himself made Geelong FC into a financial powerhouse.

            JB wondering your view on Southern Expansion. Do you feel the powers that be are afraid of a foreign investor who will have a lot of financial clout?

            • January 11th 2018 @ 3:17pm
              Kangajets said | January 11th 2018 @ 3:17pm | ! Report

              Andrew demetriou former north Melbourne player and Aussie rulz chief executive is too close to the old boys like Eddie Maguire .

              Demetriou would never take the job if offered .

              We need to move away from thinking like Aussie rulz,,

              Cheers

            • January 11th 2018 @ 3:20pm
              Kangajets said | January 11th 2018 @ 3:20pm | ! Report

              Rugby league was popular because of Sydney rivalry eg

              Parramatta v Canterbury or manly

              Balmain v Souths

              North Sydney bears

              But nrl stopped all that

              Rugby league does not have the community inclusiveness that soccer does

            • January 12th 2018 @ 8:42am
              Post_hoc said | January 12th 2018 @ 8:42am | ! Report

              Janaka, you have displayed with that one sentence you don’t have a clue

              “Do you feel the powers that be are afraid of a foreign investor who will have a lot of financial clout?”

              City Football Group majority holder in Melbourne City, revenue about $800 million

              Ledman group owners of Newcastle Jets FC net worth over $1 billion

              Bakrie Group owners of Brisbane Roar net worth over $2.5 billion

              David Traktovenko, owner of Sydney FC net worth over $500 million

              You could argue Michael Charlesworth is foreign

              so at least 4 of the 10 are owned by overseas multimillionaires or billionaires. Exactly what evidence is there that the FFA is scared of overseas owners with lots of financial clout?

              Please don’t post articles on football in the future, you clearly don’t have a clue

              • January 12th 2018 @ 9:04am
                JANAKAN said | January 12th 2018 @ 9:04am | ! Report

                @Post Hoc where have I said that other foreign owners don’t exist in the A league?

                My point is the a league and FFA head people are being challenged by owners now and perhaps are worried about another one coming in. BtW the Chinese owners are far better of financially than the bulk of other a league owners. I mean for starters they are building a stadium out of their own pocket. That is some one with serious financial clout.

              • January 12th 2018 @ 9:31am
                Post_hoc said | January 12th 2018 @ 9:31am | ! Report

                You asked the question are the powers that be, I assume you mean the FFA afraid of foreign owners with financial clout, I gave you a list of 4 foreign owners already in the league with MASSIVE financial clout, and now you say, no no not those ones, i mean new ones.

                Mate, I say this with absolutely NO respect go away, you don’t have a clue about football you don’t care for it, please spare us anymore of your stupid, and I honestly mean this, STUPID contributions

              • January 12th 2018 @ 11:59am
                Janakan said | January 12th 2018 @ 11:59am | ! Report

                @Post Hoc grow up mate. Ask what these owners think of the FFA? We have FIFA stepping in to sort out issues beteeen owners and FFa? What does that prove? Exactly what I am saying. SO what is your issue? I never said there are no foreign owners in the A league? I feel southern expansion who have a great business plan and money and offered to privately build a stadium were knocked back cause the a league and ffa finds them a threat to their control just like the current a league owners are.

                So with no respect back to you, grow up and smell the roses and wake up to the reality.

                Unless you can explain why ffa and the a league owners are at loggerheads? It’s not anything to do with control? What are they arguing over? THe food at the annual dinner?

                If you can’t handle what I say it’s weak.

            • January 12th 2018 @ 3:17pm
              j,binnie said | January 12th 2018 @ 3:17pm | ! Report

              Janakan – In answer to your question as to whether the FFA are frightened by the potential financial clout of Southern Expansion,would that identity have any more financial clout (up front) than the Bakrie Group from Indonesia.(Brisbane Roar)?.
              My own thoughts are that Southern Expansion seems to have been around for at least a year now, with little or no advancement apparent to the everyday football fan. Know why???
              Re . your reference to what I had written before I don’t think anywhere in my thinking did I class any Sydney Rugby League Club as “ethnic”, whereas in those days one had just to look at the name of a football club to get an “ethnic connection”. Cheers jb.

              • January 12th 2018 @ 5:05pm
                Janakan Seemampillai said | January 12th 2018 @ 5:05pm | ! Report

                Hi JB
                I dont agree there has been no advancement. Look at this:

                http://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/southern-expansion-gains-council-approval-for-30000seat-stadium-in-loftus-20171018-gz3k8j.html

                That is a $300M investment. More than any of the other owners are putting in?

                They were ready to bring a W league team in this year.

                They have people with football credentials backing them.

                They have a base of around 40-60000 registered footballers in the St George/Sutherland/South Coast region.

                They obviously will make a huge dent into Australian football including grabbing Asian fans.

                Sounds like a major threat to me.

              • January 13th 2018 @ 12:16am
                j,binnie said | January 13th 2018 @ 12:16am | ! Report

                Janakan = I’ve been around football for a long time so you’ll forgive me if I appear a bit cynical when it comes to believing what I term to be “forecast articles” in newspapers
                However ,if what you spell out is true, and comes to pass, I would certainly not conceive the “idea” as a “threat”, I think I would welcome the identity with wide open arms. Cheers jb..

              • January 13th 2018 @ 12:42am
                Kangajets said | January 13th 2018 @ 12:42am | ! Report

                J b

                I’ve heard nothing from the southern Sydney group at all .

                You think if they wanted in , they would be banging down the door .

                At the moment, it’s still pie in the sky.

      • January 11th 2018 @ 9:46am
        Janakan said | January 11th 2018 @ 9:46am | ! Report

        I know what you are saying but rugby league was popular long before the media war. They used to get 40-50,000 for match of the day at the scg.
        Nrl is owned by the media because they see it as a money spinner. You think media entities don’t wanna make money? If football was as popular at the business end don’t you think the media would snap it up?

        When the Socceroos play at world cups they get huge coverage cause of the enormity of the event and the money to be made. This shows the media aren’t biased to soccer.

        I think there is a massive blame game by soccer people at anyone else but Themselves.
        I think the whole ethnic element to the old NSL is why many Aussie’s were put off soccer especially when it was also played in winter like afl and nrl. Who is to blame for that??? Some would argue the racism of Anglo Saxon aussies but also the exclusiveness of the old European Australians

        • January 11th 2018 @ 1:28pm
          chris said | January 11th 2018 @ 1:28pm | ! Report

          Again, making a statement that is just plain wrong.
          “I think there is a massive blame game by soccer people at anyone else but Themselves.”
          If you read football articles, watch football shows, read the Roar football tab, you will see an almost daily stream of criticism of the FFA and the way clubs are run etc etc. How is that blaming someone/something else exactly?
          Yes we do blame other factors (media bias etc) but not at the expense of our own governing bodies etc.

          • January 11th 2018 @ 9:59pm
            JANAKAN said | January 11th 2018 @ 9:59pm | ! Report

            Some of You want to bag afl and nrl at any given chance 🙂 it’s funny

            • January 12th 2018 @ 8:39am
              chris said | January 12th 2018 @ 8:39am | ! Report

              As opposed to writing whole articles bagging football. That’s just sad

              • January 12th 2018 @ 8:44am
                Janakan said | January 12th 2018 @ 8:44am | ! Report

                Nah not bagging football at all. Suggesting ways to make it better for me and for others. This is an opinion site isn’t it? Couldn’t care less if you don’t like my ideas.

              • January 12th 2018 @ 10:10am
                Post_hoc said | January 12th 2018 @ 10:10am | ! Report

                Clearly you do, because you are throwing one of the biggest hissy fits I have seen on here

              • January 12th 2018 @ 12:00pm
                Janakan said | January 12th 2018 @ 12:00pm | ! Report

                Nah your just a sooky baby

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      January 11th 2018 @ 9:39am
      Wayne said | January 11th 2018 @ 9:39am | ! Report

      W-League doesn’t have the depth of players to expand. Just because Womens sport it hot at the moment, doesn’t mean there is an influx of players. There is still a cap on how many Internationals each team can have, and diluting the quality by adding another team won’t help anything.

      Also, Canberra doesn’t have an A-League team. Should they forgo all home games so they can play as a Curtain Raiser to the Mens in Sydney?

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