Time for the fans to reclaim the A-League

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By Athos Sirianos, Athos Sirianos is a Roar Guru & Live Blogger


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    Football in Australia is unique.

    The atmosphere surrounding it has always been a culmination of cultures and ethnicities who make the game exclusively Australian.

    Epitomised by the active support groups whose chants derive of global and home-grown influence, the A-League should be the point of difference in Australian sport.

    One belonging to the people.

    Football and its fans have always seen themselves as outsiders and battlers in Australian sport, making their disdain firmly known and providing the game with an identity fuelled by a profound ardour.

    The A-League’s stagnation has been noted but is not only exacerbated by a lack of expansion.
    But a lack of identity.

    It didn’t take long for the A-League to set its mark on Australian sport. The creativity and exuberance of active supporters captivated fans whose loyalty for these newly founded clubs rivalled those established for nearly a century.

    Melbourne Victory fans A-League

    (Photo by Quinn Rooney/Getty Images)

    For a brief period, the A-League provided an alternative landscape where the action was three dimensional, yet little was done to really embrace this by the clubs and FFA.

    The most notable case saw the Melbourne Victory prohibiting general admission members and ticket holders from standing directly behind the goals, infuriating the North Terrace.

    These active groups have and will always be the backbone to the league’s identity and it’s time for the FFA to allow the fans to reclaim the game.

    Organically orchestrating excitement through pelting choruses of slurs towards the opposition and waterfalling beer after a sweet strike from 30 yards out distinguishes football fans and the A-League from any other sport in Australia.

    Unfortunately, the clubs and FFA failed to capitalise on this and have instead chased revenue at the expense of the fans.

    The most obvious case was the desire to maximise attendances by scheduling matches at larger
    venues for key fixtures which in turn significantly tarnished the creation of any atmosphere.

    Travelling to Etihad Stadium is often a chore for Victory fans and many were certainly dumbfounded by the decision to play one of the most atmospheric fixtures in Adelaide United versus Melbourne Victory at the Adelaide Oval.

    People being introduced to the A-League will not be enticed by the league’s standard when they have the option of watching higher quality elsewhere, but instead by the atmosphere which amplifies the excitement on the field.

    The leagues identity can only thrive in stadia where fans in row Z are in touching distance of the players, regardless of how a team is performing fans will always attend matches at the smaller stadiums to a be part of this atmosphere.

    This is the league’s main selling point.

    The A-League should be marketed as the people’s game, something affordable and accessible which works towards bridging the gap between football at a grassroots and professional level.

    Moreover, to coincide with this ‘people’s game’ movement ticket prices must be lowered as a means of enticing football fans and families yet to experience the A-League.

    Across the league the average price for an adult general admission ticket is $27 whereas the average price for a child aged 4-16 is $11.55, with the Phoenix and Victory charging only $5.50 and $6 respectively for children.

    While the adult prices should be lowered the age group the FFA should target are concessions.

    Fans aged in this bracket are currently paying up to $22 for a ticket, which in comparison to other codes is not too bad but must be lowered for the league to set itself aside and solidify this type of identity.

    Grassroots and professional football may be run under the same banner yet the two are hemispheres apart.

    Offering discounted tickets for registered players or rescheduling the A-League grand final to a time which doesn’t clash with NPL and State League matches on a Sunday afternoon could go a long way in reinvigorating excitement for the league.

    There is genuine interest for the game in Australia, why else would it be the most participated sport?

    Fans are the core to football’s identity and football is pivotal to theirs.

    It’s time the FFA and clubs allow the league to become this point of difference where the game belongs to sport’s most valuable stakeholders.

    The fans.

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    • February 13th 2018 @ 6:09am
      Perry Bridge said | February 13th 2018 @ 6:09am | ! Report

      But it doesn’t. (belong to the fans). Since it’s inception the A-League has belonged to the likes of Lowy, Palmer, Tinkler etc.

      The global behemoth that is soccer doesn’t belong to the fans – it belongs to the corrupt FIFA and the global billionaires whose plaything it is. Sign up at your peril.

      But gee – perpetuating some form of ‘owned by the fans’ mythology is very, very out of date.

      If you want fan ownership – then stick to Green Gully and community clubs.

      btw – “Football in Australia is unique” – yes Australian Football is unique – but that’s not the football you’re talking about. And it IS fan owned – well, clubs are member run. What you seek is before your eyes.

      • Roar Guru

        February 13th 2018 @ 8:50am
        Grobbelaar said | February 13th 2018 @ 8:50am | ! Report

        Perry makes a very good point.

        If we want fans to reclaim the A-League, there would be no better way of bringing that about than making all the A-League franchises member owned clubs.

        • February 13th 2018 @ 9:10am
          Post_hoc said | February 13th 2018 @ 9:10am | ! Report

          So this isn’t an AFL tab, it isn’t about AFL, AFL wasn’t mentioned why are both of you here?

          • February 13th 2018 @ 9:38am
            Kangajets said | February 13th 2018 @ 9:38am | ! Report

            Love how the first 2 commenters on the football tab today are not football fans

            Well done grobelaar and perry bridge …, pats on the back all round

            • February 13th 2018 @ 12:02pm
              spruce moose said | February 13th 2018 @ 12:02pm | ! Report

          • February 13th 2018 @ 11:00am
            chris said | February 13th 2018 @ 11:00am | ! Report

            Its amazing isnt it? Experts telling it how it is that never ever go to games at any level. What makes people like that want to spend the time writing about something they never engage with?

            • February 13th 2018 @ 2:41pm
              Fadida said | February 13th 2018 @ 2:41pm | ! Report

              Look a the headlines on the AFL tab and you’ll see why they are all hanging around.

              Typically in the off season, which for AFL is 4-5 months a year (no other leagues or international competitions to follow, when the season finishes so does the game), articles are about AfLW, a competition with a standard which is equivalent to an under 13 boys competition. The rest are lists of top 50 players, and then there is draft talk, which 17 year old is going to which club.

              They have;
              No World Cup
              No Continental Cups, club or country
              No junior world or continental titles
              No women’s World cup or continental titles
              No international leagues or cut through. Zero profile outside these shores.
              No World stars
              No transfers of players between clubs in different countries, therefore a fixed pool of known players
              No game to watch on TV outside their own comp

              Come October they have nothing to discuss until March. Just the same circular discussions about the same teams in a closed and fixed competition in which the same teams don’t even play each other twice.The game stops completely, so they cast jealous eyes at football, a game played 24/7 around the world. Like a jealous, unpopular child they then look to bully and mock those that really they just want to be like

              • February 13th 2018 @ 5:32pm
                c said | February 13th 2018 @ 5:32pm | ! Report

                hahaha ps they also have aflx now

              • February 13th 2018 @ 10:39pm
                prince igor said | February 13th 2018 @ 10:39pm | ! Report

                Have a look at the pathetic crowd at the “international” match played at AMMI tonight Lucky to be 8000 there
                Gees the crappy AFLW get more than that The AFL dosent have to have international games to be the #1 code i Australia by a country mile.

                The local soccer fans have spoken with their feet and the ALeague is rapidly looking like the former failed NSL!

              • February 13th 2018 @ 10:57pm
                Rolly said | February 13th 2018 @ 10:57pm | ! Report

                @primceigor to claim to be no 1 sport in the country you would need NSW and Queensland but alas in these two states aerial ping pong is the number three sport behind league and soccer .victoria WA and SA does not maketh for a national sport let alone the number one national sport .not even close actually the only sport that can be truely callled a national sport that is played in every state with more players playin it is soccer in terms of football .now go ack to the aerial ping pong blogs .Our football is doing just fine .Average crowds are very similar to rugby league and bigger than rugby crowds

              • February 13th 2018 @ 11:07pm
                Nemesis said | February 13th 2018 @ 11:07pm | ! Report


                The sad reality is that …

                more people will have watched tonight’s ACL Group match MVFC vs Ulsan than the combined viewing audience for the 2017 AFL Grand Final & 2017 NRL Grand Final.

                The Coward Punch Sports might attract a lot of people in Australia but, unless you’re a bogan, you’d realise the Australian consumer market is a number that is tiny & insignificant.

              • February 14th 2018 @ 8:10am
                chris said | February 14th 2018 @ 8:10am | ! Report

                It must frustrate the h ell out of AFL administrators etc, that they just can’t penetrate the NSW and QLD markets. Looking across the football ground I was at last night there must have been over 400-500 kids over the course of the night on 4 football fields. All doing skills training and club training. So Igor while you gloat about MV “only” getting 8,000 to their game last night, spare a thought that your “national” game will only have relevance in the southern states of one country. And that is it. You are the Gaelic football of Australia. How does that sit with you?

              • February 14th 2018 @ 12:07pm
                Fadida said | February 14th 2018 @ 12:07pm | ! Report

                I’ve been in Newcastle 4 years and am yet to see a single set of AFL goalposts. I’m told they play the game somewhere but not anywhere I’ve been.

              • February 14th 2018 @ 8:22am
                Post_hoc said | February 14th 2018 @ 8:22am | ! Report

                Chris, well said

              • February 14th 2018 @ 1:10pm
                chris said | February 14th 2018 @ 1:10pm | ! Report

                Fad the numbers (from AFL hq) dont lie. They are there…you are obviously not looking hard enough.

              • February 14th 2018 @ 3:37pm
                Fadida said | February 14th 2018 @ 3:37pm | ! Report

                I looked again on this morning’s ride through Newcastle parks and sport grounds. For a second I thought I saw a set, with some kids having a kick.

                As I got closer I realised it was a couple of flag poles with a flock of seagulls fighting over a discarded sandwich.

              • February 14th 2018 @ 1:20pm
                Post_hoc said | February 14th 2018 @ 1:20pm | ! Report

                Chris, never for a minute would I even contemplate AFL HQ would lie or make up participation numbers, who would be so pessimistic about the real place that AFL holds in the All Australian psyche, to suggest something would be akin to saying AFL is really only relevant in Victoria, SA and WA.

                Have you stopped to think the reason Fadida has not seen them darn posts, is the game in that area is like Brigadoon?

              • February 14th 2018 @ 1:44pm
                chris said | February 14th 2018 @ 1:44pm | ! Report

                PH I think what will happen is all the AFL players in NSW waiting to play (but lack of goalposts currently prohibits this) will just jump on the AFLX fields and then watch it really take off up here.

              • February 14th 2018 @ 2:02pm
                Perry Bridge said | February 14th 2018 @ 2:02pm | ! Report


                re Participation numbers – don’t forget – it’s the FFA, Football NSW, FFV, Football Canberra etc who report ‘Total Outdoor’ which includes the MiniRoos.

                The AFL ‘total competition’ figure does NOT count Auskick.

                The ‘Grand Total’ for BOTH codes WILL count MiniRoos and Auskick respectively.

                See Page 77 of Football NSW Annual Report – (note – see separately for the North NSW figures):

                The FootballNSW total registered (outdoor) players tally for 2016 of 222,612 is made up of 68% jnrs (age 5-17, inclusive of MiniRoos). The FFA 2016 Annual report has nationally the 214,414 MiniRoos making up 43% of total outdoor participation.

                If the AFL were to report their Auskick and Club registrations together, the Auskick would make up 35% of the total.

                Work out from that what you will. I’m just reporting what is freely available in the Annual Reports of these organisations. In this case without bias.

              • February 15th 2018 @ 9:27am
                Post_hoc said | February 15th 2018 @ 9:27am | ! Report

                Hello Bazza, sorry I mean Perry

                You still upset that AusPlay have Football as the biggest participation sport.

                It is the realty my friend, I would learn to to live with it. AFL just isn’t popular outside the southern states, you can cut it anyway you want, divide the numbers by Buddy Franklins goals per game, doesn’t really matter. The simple fact is Football is the most played sport.

              • February 15th 2018 @ 2:19pm
                Perry Bridge said | February 15th 2018 @ 2:19pm | ! Report


                How about you explain to me exactly what the Ausplay survey numbers show and mean and illustrate why it is more significant than the actual registration and participation numbers presented by the FFA, FFV, AFL etc to the Australian Sports Commission.

                I’m patient. I’ll check back in on Monday if you need the weekend.

              • February 15th 2018 @ 2:39pm
                Nemesis said | February 15th 2018 @ 2:39pm | ! Report

                How about you ask Ausplay why their survey numbers are not to be believed?

                You can liaise with Ausplay via
                Twitter: @Ausport
                email: nsic_and_clearinghouse@ausport.gov.au

                But, I get the feeling you’re more a user of Snail Mail technology.

                Australian Institute of Sport
                PO Box 176
                BELCONNEN ACT 2616

              • February 15th 2018 @ 4:02pm
                Post_hoc said | February 15th 2018 @ 4:02pm | ! Report

                Bazza, Why? I have explained it to you and your alter egos and you don’t seem to care, you just keep asking the same inane questions. You believe your precious AFL has the biggest numbers across Australia, and nothing is going to deter you from that belief.

                Independent surveys show that is not correct, but still you wont accept that, only taking what AFL HQ tells you to believe, I am sorry that you have drunk the kool aide of your cult, so I really am not going to bother trying to change your mind, you have shown time and time again that you will not accept independent data.

              • February 15th 2018 @ 4:46pm
                clipper said | February 15th 2018 @ 4:46pm | ! Report

                I have to take Nemisis’s side on this one. In fact I used the Ausplay figures to show AFL had a far higher number of players in ACT than league did, although nowhere near the numbers Football has. Of course the league people would never had that and scoffed at the idea you could use Ausplay figures, so I guess whatever source puts your sport in the best light is the one you will quote.
                I would always place an independent govt. source over any code’s figures – any sport knows that the key for govt. support and monies lies in the numbers and will do everything they can to plump up the figures. Of course you have to preface that by saying the Ausplay figures are indicative only.

              • February 15th 2018 @ 5:35pm
                Perry Bridge said | February 15th 2018 @ 5:35pm | ! Report

                #Post Hoc – firstly I have NO alter egos, this is my one and only nomme de guerre.

                You still haven’t illustrated that you understand the context of the survey data.

                For me – I’m more concerned with the annual report data from around the codes – who will report these to the ASC and these numbers are based on minimum 6 week participation.

                And these are ACTUALS. Not a random survey of 0.1%.

                What you’re suggesting is akin to saying that we wasted a whole lot of effort on the Marriage Equality plebiscite – we ought have only surveyed 0.1% of the population and that would have done it. Clearly not. That would just be a survey, a poll. We don’t decide our federal election on the basis of pre election opinion polling.

                Independence is one thing – but a small snapshot of data vs actuals is another.

                Even were the Ausplay figures a survey of everyone – the notion of ‘once per year’ participation as a base makes much of the data pretty meaningless. The FFA and AFL refer to things like this as people having an ‘experience’. It doesn’t even qualify as a ‘program’. Most of respondents with 0-4, 5-8 times participation wouldn’t show up in the annual reports.

                So – again – tell me what are you drawing exactly from the Ausplay data. Have you drilled into the clearinghouse excel tables?

      • February 13th 2018 @ 9:02am
        Waz said | February 13th 2018 @ 9:02am | ! Report

        You’ve actually got it the wrong way around. Community football belongs to the players, coaches and volunteers not the fans.

        Professional football belongs to the fans because traditionally it doesn’t exist without it. I’m prepared to accept a modern day argument that TV, not fans, pay for it however, imagine the World Cup without fans, Man Utd or Real playing without fans, the Socceroos playing without fans and it’s hard to see tv paying for it

        Football belongs to fans. That is football culture.

        • February 13th 2018 @ 9:11am
          Post_hoc said | February 13th 2018 @ 9:11am | ! Report

          Well said Waz, I don’t expect the AFL Fanboys that invade these tabs to understand it. I don’t understand why they spend so much time here

          • February 13th 2018 @ 9:53am
            Mahler said | February 13th 2018 @ 9:53am | ! Report

            The destructive mindset of many AFL followers can be traced right back to the early days of football (soccer) in Australia. Joe Gorman’s book The Death and Life of Australian Soccer has the full sordid story. What a fabulous book, too. Anyone interested in the survival of the game in Australia should read it.

        • February 13th 2018 @ 9:24am
          Perry Bridge said | February 13th 2018 @ 9:24am | ! Report


          Man Utd though – is a listed company – yep you can become a shareholder after Glazer kids listed it on of all places the NY stock exchange with the parent company “Manchester United plc” incorporated in the Cayman Islands. (But the 6 kids reportedly still own something like 90% of the club – is that true??).

          Personally I could never sign up and commit my hard earned to such an atrocity of sports. The Billionaires should be paying me – it’s like paying for the privilege of wearing a t-shirt with a Coca-Cola logo on it (they should pay me!).

          The real ‘community’ club is the F.C. United of Manchester. And they are reportedly the largest fan-owned club in the UK (based on membership) and play at a venue with reported capacity of 4,400.

          • February 13th 2018 @ 9:34am
            Nemesis said | February 13th 2018 @ 9:34am | ! Report

            All you do is come to Football discussions to tell us how badly we are doing things & you don’t watch ALeague.

            It’s truly bizarre behaviour. You should be so excited by the new seasons in your indigenous game of Coward Punch Ball. Why do you spend so much of your day focusing on a sport you clearly don’t watch?

            • February 13th 2018 @ 9:56am
              Kangajets said | February 13th 2018 @ 9:56am | ! Report

              I actually think the mods are complicit in letting these Ozzie rulz tr:lls on this sight

              Why do the roar mods allow this ???

              Answers please

              • February 13th 2018 @ 10:05am
                Post_hoc said | February 13th 2018 @ 10:05am | ! Report

                Would love an answer to this as well

              • February 13th 2018 @ 11:02am
                chris said | February 13th 2018 @ 11:02am | ! Report

                Excellent point.

              • Roar Guru

                February 13th 2018 @ 8:10pm
                Grobbelaar said | February 13th 2018 @ 8:10pm | ! Report

                Interesting incite, do you mind sighting your sources?

            • February 13th 2018 @ 12:27pm
              Perry Bridge said | February 13th 2018 @ 12:27pm | ! Report


              It’s a multi code site dear sir – and unless someone is being outright inflammatory then stick to playing the ball rather than the person.

              Can you do that?

              If you can’t then it is you who is and has the problem.

              • February 14th 2018 @ 7:52am
                Post_hoc said | February 14th 2018 @ 7:52am | ! Report

                I think it is very clear, you and your AFL FanBoys are the ones with the issue. Spending time on a football tab, when you have admitted you don’t like the sport. Only looking to stir up trouble. This thread had NO mention of AFL until you jumped in and started throwing it around.

                Then you think football has the problem? You are in need of some serious medication.

              • February 14th 2018 @ 10:07am
                Perry Bridge said | February 14th 2018 @ 10:07am | ! Report


                You might want to review the comments to check who started using “AFL”. I haven’t referred directly to it at all.

                Granted I had an almost tongue in cheek ‘btw’ post script to my opening comment which was more targeted at the apparent continuing search for identity that still appears to be gripping the A-League (it was a far deeper comment than your ‘over developed offence reflex’ allows you to consider, or so it appears).

              • February 14th 2018 @ 11:13am
                Post_hoc said | February 14th 2018 @ 11:13am | ! Report

                So your position is, I need to check who started mentioning the AFL, because You Perry didn’t really mention it, only kinda and it was my fault that I identified that you mentioned it. Jesus Christ you guys are painful.

                You have no interest in football, you even admit you don’t like the sport. Why come onto a sport tab that you have no interest in. I don’t go onto the League Tab because I have no interest, I am more than happy that they fill there tabs and talk about what ever they want. I am certain they enjoy what they are talking about, they don’t bother me, i don’t bother them. But why do you and your other fanboys come onto the football tab and talk about a sport you have said you don’t like

              • February 14th 2018 @ 12:12pm
                Fadida said | February 14th 2018 @ 12:12pm | ! Report

                They’re here because AFL is currently dormant, unless you count a competition that is u-14 boys level. Their presence here suggests they don’t rate the competition either.

                Imagine following a sport that shuts down completely for 5 months a year? That’s right, it stops totally for 5 months. No competition anywhere in the world to follow!

                No wonder they cast envious eyes over to the football tab

              • February 14th 2018 @ 2:08pm
                Perry Bridge said | February 14th 2018 @ 2:08pm | ! Report

                #Post Hoc

                Correct – you and your mates have been rabbiting on, off topic about AFL.

                re your assumptions of me:
                “You have no interest in football,” – wrong. However, my interest in it will be different to yours. It’s not as though I am death riding the game. I Do have interest in the nation of my parents – Denmark – and will be supporting them even against the Socceroos (apologies – but I know it means much more to them!!).

                “you even admit you don’t like the sport” – I’ve admitted there are elements of the sport that I don’t like. I’ll also admit that there are elements of cricket, Aust Footy and other sports that I don’t like.

                What I am not – is heavily emotionally invested in the game. But I’ve tried to lessen that for any sport as I grow older but now and then the inner 8 yr old needs the lid taken off.

                Having a broader interest in the football landscape of Australia (the worlds most competitive domestic football market) means I do take at least a passing interest in RL and RU as well (and via family will occasionally attend.

              • February 15th 2018 @ 9:29am
                Post_hoc said | February 15th 2018 @ 9:29am | ! Report

                Perry, nice try, BUT it is in YOUR FIRST POST ON THIS TOPIC, You mention the AFL. Jesus Christ how many ways do you need to be shown.

              • February 15th 2018 @ 2:27pm
                Perry Bridge said | February 15th 2018 @ 2:27pm | ! Report


                I did not use “AFL” at all.

              • February 15th 2018 @ 4:07pm
                Post_hoc said | February 15th 2018 @ 4:07pm | ! Report

                For the love of all things Holy, you are impossible. You said and mind you I have quoted this twice before I believe, you said

                “yes Australian Football is unique – but that’s not the football you’re talking about. And it IS fan owned – well, clubs are member run. What you seek is before your eyes.”

                You mentioned Australian Football in the very first post, I never said you SAID “afl” but you are talking about the AFL. The fact that you won’t admit that is what you said is just sad.

                If this is not evidence that you are nothing but a tr 0ll . You are here to cause trouble and nothing more, what a sad existence you must have

              • February 19th 2018 @ 2:23pm
                Perry Bridge said | February 19th 2018 @ 2:23pm | ! Report


                I spoke of Australian Football – not the AFL specifically.

                You need to separate the two a little more. There is a distinction. Although – the author seems unable to distinguish between soccer in Australia and the HAL.

                Ah well – does that get part of my point across??

                The author seemed to be yearning for a fan owned unique to Australia football experience. Well – as I indicated – that already exists – there is a template for it.

                However – there are many fans of soccer in Australia who want a potentially unique blend of cultures wrapped up in a non-ethnic club based HAL – and be fan owned/controlled – and……me thinks the author really doesn’t know what he wants and is perhaps asking for something that can’t be delivered within the global constructs of soccer.

                Or – perhaps just not under the Lowy family control?

        • February 13th 2018 @ 9:54am
          reuster75 said | February 13th 2018 @ 9:54am | ! Report

          Arguably one of the reasons the premier league has become such a global success story is because of the fans – at the time when legaues started to pay attention to global TV rights english stadia were always full and thus this created a great atmosphere that translated into a great TV product. Whilst the technial standard of the league arguably isn’t as high as La Liga and possibly the Budesliga, the atmosphere provided by the fans is arguably the best in europe which in turn leads to the mega-bucks from TV.

          • February 13th 2018 @ 1:30pm
            Mark said | February 13th 2018 @ 1:30pm | ! Report

            You’ve actually got it the wrong way round. The global success of the Premier League was a result of Sky significantly enhancing the TV product and marketing of the EPL in ways that seem obvious to us now but were revolutionary for their time.

            The atmosphere at English games is no better than Bundesliga matches or a number of other leagues around Europe, and many would argue it has got poorer over time since the Premier League begun.

            The main things that got English fans back into the stands under the Premier League compared to the 70s and 80s were improvements in the stadia, improvement in the on field product (thanks in large part to the back pass rule) and…whisper it quietly around these parts…largely eradicating hooliganism.

            • February 13th 2018 @ 1:35pm
              Nemesis said | February 13th 2018 @ 1:35pm | ! Report

              So, were you alive before 1992 to know that English football was hugely popular in Australia before EPL?

              Of course it’s easier to access anything foreign today, than it was in 1960, or 1970, or 1980.

              Yes, Murdoch pumped more money into the English game.

              But, there is absolutely nothing to suggest having EPL hidden on Foxtel has caused the EPL to be more popular in Australia, than it would’ve been if every match were broadcast live and FREE on SBS, ABC TV to the whole of Australia.

              • February 13th 2018 @ 1:48pm
                Mark said | February 13th 2018 @ 1:48pm | ! Report

                I don’t know how you’ve drawn that bow from what I said, and to be honest I don’t really care. Just more of the usual nuisance from you.

        • February 13th 2018 @ 10:24am
          Worried said | February 13th 2018 @ 10:24am | ! Report

          Agree with 99% of what you said. re community football vs professional football.
          But TV does not own football ! Because TV only sells the game on to the fans.
          If the fans stop watching, TV will stop paying.
          In the end it is the money TV receives from Fans through Pay TV or Advertising, that they use to pay for football.
          Sponsors & advertisers are the same, if fans do not support them with purchases (ie money) they won’t stay either.
          It ALL comes back to the FANS! Without the FANS there is NO money in Football!
          FFA and their administrative mates are all just leeches on the game, they provide very little in real terms for the money they earn. Likewise the so-called journalists, who do little more than criticise on a daily basis. Without out the game (i.e. the fans) they would not exist!

          • February 13th 2018 @ 1:44pm
            reuster75 said | February 13th 2018 @ 1:44pm | ! Report

            German clubs certainly recognise this which is why a club as big as Bayern Munich are happy to set asie a % of tickets for every home game to be sold at an affordable price – and quality seats as well. They recognise that selling tickets at inflated prices will help in the short term but runs the risk of creating a generation that grow up not being able to afford to go to games and thus losing interest in the sport.

      • February 13th 2018 @ 9:43am
        Kangajets said | February 13th 2018 @ 9:43am | ! Report

        Perry bridge

        As a fellow north Melbourne afl fan , I find it embarrassing that you have no interest in soccer but comment on this tab .

        At least I like football, and go to gsmes etc .

        It’s just embarrassing that you come here

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          February 13th 2018 @ 9:54am
          Grobbelaar said | February 13th 2018 @ 9:54am | ! Report

          What did Perry write to suggest that he hates football?

          People on here are complaining about certain posters, but in fact, it’s the complainants themselves who introduce a reference to the football league which cannot be mentioned.

          • February 13th 2018 @ 9:58am
            Kangajets said | February 13th 2018 @ 9:58am | ! Report

            We all know you come on this tab for

            You have never who u follow, u don’t talk tactics

            You come to gloat

            Mods get rid of them

          • February 13th 2018 @ 10:03am
            Post_hoc said | February 13th 2018 @ 10:03am | ! Report

            It is in the very first post made by Perry on this thread and I quote

            “yes Australian Football is unique – but that’s not the football you’re talking about. And it IS fan owned – well, clubs are member run. What you seek is before your eyes.”

            So the VERY FIRST POST by Perry brings in AFL, why? Why do you fanboys constantly come around on football tabs that you have no interest on just to throw stuff around. Look AFL is the most boring sport on earth, I would rather watch Curling but that is my opinion, I assumed you lot that find it interesting would want to spend your time talking about it ON YOUR OWN TAB

            • February 13th 2018 @ 12:30pm
              Perry Bridge said | February 13th 2018 @ 12:30pm | ! Report

              #Post Hoc

              I don’t hate any sport.

              I do hate a lot of the mythology around it. The poor reporting. The corrupt management. The abuse and exploitation of poor schmuck fans. Etc etc.

              I do find very interesting the family tree of football codes.

              btw – take as an example – had the FFA managed to work out a decent FIFA WC bid back in 2009 then I’d’ve wished them well and it’d be cool to host. But it was a crappy bid. That there were many being parochial about it and pushing that crappy bid just because…..therein lies the issue.

              • February 14th 2018 @ 8:01am
                Post_hoc said | February 14th 2018 @ 8:01am | ! Report

                You have said you had Football, you said it in this thread

                “Personally I could never sign up and commit my hard earned to such an atrocity of sports. The Billionaires should be paying me – it’s like paying for the privilege of wearing a t-shirt with a Coca-Cola logo on it (they should pay me!).”

                So don’t come on here and tell us you like football, it is obvious you don’t. You spend your whole time on this tab causing trouble, belittling football.

                Now if you ask me that is rather sad, you seem to get your rocks off doing it. I suggest you seek help

              • February 14th 2018 @ 2:12pm
                Perry Bridge said | February 14th 2018 @ 2:12pm | ! Report

                #Post Hoc

                Exactly – I couldn’t sign up as a ‘subscriber’ to a club like Man Utd. Thankfully one of my sons who a few years back ended up with what looked like an Man Utd allegiance saw the light independently – – well, he’s more a ‘Ciddy kid now and to me, the Sheikhs can pay their own way. Likewise the Russian oligarchs etc.

                That’s what I hate. I never like private ownership in VFL/AFL circles either.

                For me – sport is about community – and for me, some of the greatest contests and rivalries are between small towns 20km apart rather than teams with imported players on massive payrolls (and in saying that I also think of US basketball ‘franchises’).

              • February 15th 2018 @ 9:31am
                Post_hoc said | February 15th 2018 @ 9:31am | ! Report

                If it was that you couldn’t sign up to Man U as you claim you would have said CLUB, but you said Sport.

                You couldn’t sign up to that sport (to paraphrase) so admit you don’t like the sport, why do you keep coming here to derail topics on a sport you don’t like? Are you that scared that the AFL will be found out in Australia what the rest of the world already know?

      • February 13th 2018 @ 1:45pm
        Football is Life said | February 13th 2018 @ 1:45pm | ! Report

        Ahhh Perry. ..your enthusiasm to belittle and ridicule the world game expose you. You see that there are around 1 million amateur footballers in this country. You know they are mostly kids who are growing up with the A-league and when they get older they will be paying fans. You know that slowly but surely Australian football is making itself known globally. Not seeing too many lads from Richmond being signed by Celtic. Make comment when the National Mens Cross-country netball competition has a genuine World Cup.

      • February 13th 2018 @ 2:08pm
        j,binnie said | February 13th 2018 @ 2:08pm | ! Report

        Perry – Not so many years ago Glasgow Celtic were within 8 hours of being foreclosed upon by a major bank. Along came a “white knight” who set about changing what had become a “status quo” that had been in use for running a football team over the preceding 100 years.
        He DEMANDED total control on all matters and promised that he would only be at the club for 5 years.One of the major steps he undertook was to list the club on the London Stock Exchange, and he openly invited supporters ,and supporters groups to invest in the club.At the same time he “levelled” a totally outdated stadium and replaced it with a 60,000 ,all seater new stadium.
        Today Celtic are one of the best supported teams,not only in Scotland, but in the in the UK football scene..
        By the way the “white knight” did walk away as promised,after a 5 year sojourn. It can be done. Cheers jb.

        • February 13th 2018 @ 3:41pm
          clipper said | February 13th 2018 @ 3:41pm | ! Report

          He did walk away with a tidy 30 million quid after he sold his shares. Shame Rangers didn’t have the same luck – had to start from div 3 again, although a huge boost to the lower divisions.

          • February 14th 2018 @ 12:30am
            j,binnie said | February 14th 2018 @ 12:30am | ! Report

            Perry – it is not only a “nice” story ,it is a true story and Rangers did try something similar under various managers ,including spending $22,million on a state of the art academy on the outskirts of Glasgow.
            Such was the financial strife generated with that venture, and the non -stop signing of ‘super stars’ that the owner finally sold the club for $1, plus accumulated debts.
            This club,once one of the richest in he whole of the UK football scene,have struggled ever since,so it’s not such an easy task running a professional football club. cheers jb.

          • February 14th 2018 @ 12:33am
            j,binnie said | February 14th 2018 @ 12:33am | ! Report

            Clipper – Yes a very shrewd business man was Fergus McCann, and not really a “dyed in the wool” football man, he spent most of his adult life living in Canada.Cheers jb.

        • February 13th 2018 @ 3:41pm
          Perry Bridge said | February 13th 2018 @ 3:41pm | ! Report


          That’s a nice story. Thanks for sharing.

          It’s not necessarily a business model I’d recommend anyone on planning for!! 😉

          btw – just gotta be careful that Rangers don’t get wealthy supporters to buy a controlling stake and vote for a takeover….ahem….’merger’.

    • February 13th 2018 @ 6:10am
      Waz said | February 13th 2018 @ 6:10am | ! Report

      It’s a noble statement but the FFA have no interest in fans, only customers. The “war on fans” as it’s been dubbed has almost been won by the ffa as they’ve broken one set of supporters after another. Unless the people at the ffa change, nothing will change.

      • February 13th 2018 @ 6:17am
        Waz said | February 13th 2018 @ 6:17am | ! Report

        And to be fair, it doesn’t seem to be just our FFA doing this. This on a tifo from FC Nantes fans at the weekend:

        “We bring the stands to life you shut them down.

        We support our clubs, you exploit them.

        We create displays, you ban them.

        Do you not have, simply put, a problem with football?”

        Doesn’t that sound familiar?

      • February 13th 2018 @ 9:37am
        Brisvegas said | February 13th 2018 @ 9:37am | ! Report

        I think this is spot on, Waz – administrators make decisions based on customers not fans.

        It’s the curse of modern governments. It’s why Western democracies are in such a parlous state. They have lost contact with any sense of community and see opportunities in terms of the marketplace; they talk about consumer instead of citizen. People are figures on a spreadsheet (unless you are a politician – then everything becomes a deeply personal matter)

        FFA are a reflection of a greater administrative malaise.

        • February 13th 2018 @ 11:37am
          Kangajets said | February 13th 2018 @ 11:37am | ! Report


          We are talked about as an economy, not people.

        • February 13th 2018 @ 2:26pm
          j,binnie said | February 13th 2018 @ 2:26pm | ! Report

          Brisvegas – When one considers the figures being generated by this season’s HAL,it doesn’t appear they, the suits at headquarters, recognise a “malaise” when it is hitting them in their pockets.
          With the HAL aggregate attendance down nearly 170,000 at game 97 they are watching their “customers” missing out on a share of $4,250,000.
          Your “home” ‘ club,Roar, are down 4,755, or $119 ,000 per game, and over 11 home games this becomes $1,308.000.
          Now if the powers that be cannot solve problems like this, what long term hope can we have for the HAL.? jb.

          • February 13th 2018 @ 6:06pm
            Nick Symonds said | February 13th 2018 @ 6:06pm | ! Report

            “what long term hope can we have for the HAL.?”

            Well football fans could hope to do a Bradbury and that all the other codes fall over by themselves.

            • February 14th 2018 @ 12:40am
              j,binnie said | February 14th 2018 @ 12:40am | ! Report

              Nick – If you are going to blog around another contributor’s statement you should cite the whole statement ,not just the part that suits your attempt at humour.
              The more important part of the statement was “that if the powers that be cannot solve problems like this then what hope etc etc etc”. Get the point???? jb.

    • February 13th 2018 @ 6:23am
      AR said | February 13th 2018 @ 6:23am | ! Report

      The author acknowledges that ALeague ticket prices are quite reasonable (that is, on par with other sports) but wants the FFA to drop the prices and absorb the cost.
      However, the FFA did introduce “kids go free” over summer, but did it make any difference to the crowd numbers or atmosphere?

      Its understandable to want cheaper tickets (and better atmos), but it is unlikely to improve crowds, whilst ignoring the real problem.

      • February 13th 2018 @ 9:12am
        Post_hoc said | February 13th 2018 @ 9:12am | ! Report

        oh look another AFL Fanboy on here, no mention of AFL, no comparison to AFL, why are you here?

        • February 13th 2018 @ 9:50am
          Kangajets said | February 13th 2018 @ 9:50am | ! Report

          A R

          You are an embarrassment to the Ozzie rulz code too .
          You don’t like football.

          • February 13th 2018 @ 11:06am
            chris said | February 13th 2018 @ 11:06am | ! Report

            KJ you will soon get a response saying something along the lines of “you sokkah folk are so touchy blah blah blah”…
            Whats happening in AFL land? Anything exciting to get you impostors off the football tab?

        • February 13th 2018 @ 5:00pm
          steve said | February 13th 2018 @ 5:00pm | ! Report

          To be fair, if fans of other codes didn’t come here it would just be the same dozen or so names talking amongst yourselves. with Nemesis thinking he rules the roost here. Hahahaha

          • Roar Guru

            February 13th 2018 @ 5:13pm
            Grobbelaar said | February 13th 2018 @ 5:13pm | ! Report

            I would hope that first and foremost we are all sports fans, and we all want Australian sport to succeed.

            • February 13th 2018 @ 6:14pm
              Kangajets said | February 13th 2018 @ 6:14pm | ! Report

              That’s not how you act Grobelaar Valhalla mister football

              U have no respect for people other then to gloat about ratings for afl and produce FAKE ratings for A league.

              I’m guessing u are one of the roar afl moderators .

              I’ll quote Geoff Toovey and say

              Their needs to be an investigation ?

          • February 13th 2018 @ 6:49pm
            Kangajets said | February 13th 2018 @ 6:49pm | ! Report

            I reply to grobelaar and Valhalla pops up to reply again , you’re so easy to spot


          • February 13th 2018 @ 6:53pm
            valhalla said | February 13th 2018 @ 6:53pm | ! Report

            im nemesis as well …… not chris though – never chris …. his musical tastes are too insular

          • Roar Guru

            February 13th 2018 @ 8:07pm
            Grobbelaar said | February 13th 2018 @ 8:07pm | ! Report


            I’m unsure whether I’m meant to view your comment in positive terms or negative terms.

          • February 13th 2018 @ 9:04pm
            valhalla said | February 13th 2018 @ 9:04pm | ! Report

            as a good goalkeeper would, trust your instincts Grobbelaar …. trust your instincts

            • February 13th 2018 @ 9:48pm
              Kangajets said | February 13th 2018 @ 9:48pm | ! Report

              chopper could answer for u

              He’s your newest friend

    • February 13th 2018 @ 7:28am
      chris said | February 13th 2018 @ 7:28am | ! Report

      As with anything in life, governing bodies want the masses to be compliant and dull. Obey instructions, sit quietly and do as you are told.
      We just want your money.

    • February 13th 2018 @ 7:30am
      Fadida said | February 13th 2018 @ 7:30am | ! Report

      I’m not sure what to make of the article.

      I think the message was smaller grounds, cheaper tickets, unshackle the fans. I agree with all.

      Unfortunately we don’t have smaller grounds, clubs need ticket money it they are to ever own their own smaller ground (though 15k at $10 is better than 10k @ $15).

      • February 13th 2018 @ 7:46am
        chris said | February 13th 2018 @ 7:46am | ! Report

        Fad the article was also about homogenising the fans so that they look and behave like lobotomised dummies.
        Ever been to a league or union match? You’d think the crowd was watching a knitting competition. I like watching league at times, but the crowd experience (noise) is virtually non-existent.

      • February 13th 2018 @ 7:54am
        SquareBall said | February 13th 2018 @ 7:54am | ! Report

        Actually, smaller grounds are available; I can think of seven in Sydney, such as Brookvale, Concord and Leichardt Ovals, there is Ballymore and Dolphin stadium in Brisbane, two options in Newcastle and Cessnock while Adelaide, Perth, Central Coast and Melbourne all seem pretty well covered with existing rectangular stadia.
        A major factor in the Wanderers’ early success was that Parramatta stadium was perfectly located and fit for purpose.
        I don’t believe pricing is an issue; sitting in a three quarters empty stadium, such as Allianz or Suncorp, does not represent a satisfying ‘customer experience’ which is why less people are turning up on match day.

        • February 13th 2018 @ 8:16am
          Fadida said | February 13th 2018 @ 8:16am | ! Report

          They need to have a10k capacity minimum, offer some sort of modern fan experience ie covered stands, seats that aren’t concrete, media facilities, quality lighting.

          Do the grounds all meet those criteria?

          • February 13th 2018 @ 11:04am
            Kangajets said | February 13th 2018 @ 11:04am | ! Report

            Cessnock has a nice field , but only 3000 seats . I don’t think the majority of novacastrians would go to Cessnock

            If they ever purposely built a 15000 seat stadium, the Edgeworth Cameron park population growth area would be ideal .

            Good old Newcastle breakers stadium used to rock with 8000 but they turned into a greyhound track

            • February 13th 2018 @ 1:57pm
              Football is Life said | February 13th 2018 @ 1:57pm | ! Report

              Hey Kanga seems we are geographically similar. You know if FFA where smart they could get parents to Cessnock with just a liitle help from local industry. Some of the world’s best wine is just up the road in Pokolbin. Let the wineries and food company setup at A-league games. Football with a little style so to speak

              • February 13th 2018 @ 2:59pm
                Kangajets said | February 13th 2018 @ 2:59pm | ! Report

                The pokilbin has about 5-15000 visitors from Sydney every weekend, depending on concert season .
                Whether the A league could engage with this , who knows

                Maybe when Adelaide United come next we could have the pokolbin v Barossa valley cup .

                Would need people with more marketing experience then me

                but it’s good thinking

    • February 13th 2018 @ 7:58am
      Onside said | February 13th 2018 @ 7:58am | ! Report

      Quite apart from your suggestions Athos, but nonetheless vicarious, is Asia.

      Most Australians support other ‘Aussies’ in sports they don’t regularly follow .

      There’s a sense of ‘them against us’, often amplified as ‘us’ as underdogs.

      The Asian Champions League is Aussie clubs against the might of Asia.

      Underdog Central !

      The value of just one Asian player, can be more than a whole HAL squad

      The Asian teams are often financially sponsored by huge corporations

      In turn hundreds of millions of supporters watch matches throughout Asia.

      ACL involvement is a sleeping giant for Australian companies and fans.

      Consider say Tourism Australia : instant access to millions for very little.

      Yet, this sleeping giant of an opportunity is played in a virtual vacuum.

      Most Aussie sports fans are unaware of this Everest of a competition.

      And so it goes ……


      • February 13th 2018 @ 8:19am
        Buddy said | February 13th 2018 @ 8:19am | ! Report

        China and Japan certainly embrace the ACL but not so sure about the rest and there is not a grea deal,of interest in ROK. Their attendances are very poor in comparison to the K League, can’t really inderstand why as their teams traditionally do pretty well.

        • February 13th 2018 @ 11:20am
          Onside said | February 13th 2018 @ 11:20am | ! Report

          Well Buddy, that information certainly puts pay to my assumptions. Next !