Quinton de Kock crossed the sledging line in Durban

David Lord Columnist

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    South African wicketkeeper-batsman Quinton de Kock faces a heavy fine, even suspension, for reportedly insulting David Warner’s wife Candice during the first Test in Durban.

    Australia’s skipper Steve Smith confirmed something personal was said by de Kock in his post-match interview after Australia had won by 118 runs.

    “What he said got a little personal towards Davey, and as we saw it certainly provoked an emotional response,” Smith said.

    “Those things aren’t on and you can’t be getting into somebody’s personal life … that’s crossing the line.”

    Warner exploded, and had to be restrained by teammates. It is universally acknowledged the Australian vice-captain is a very proud family man.

    What made de Kock’s alleged comments so personal is that Candice and their two kids are in South Africa.

    At least de Kock was seen shaking hands with Warner after Australia’s win. Too little, too late, but better late than never.

    Sledging has been an integral part of cricket since captain James Cook played for Botany Harriers, with the exception of the Don Bradman era.

    The Don’s edict as captain was crystal clear, sledge and you’ll never play for Australia again.

    But in the last 60-odd years, sledging has become an art form.

    (AP Photo/Themba Hadebe)

    And David Warner is a leader in the field, as instanced after he brilliantly ran out AB de Villiers for a duck in the second dig.

    He aimed his sledge at opening batsman Aiden Markram for running his partner out, and there have been plenty of critics claiming he went over the top.

    Former South African skipper Graeme Smith, now a television commentator, chipped in with his version.

    “He can be a bit of a fool at times, it’s best to leave him be”.

    But Smith’s comments came before the de Kock incident came to light.

    It will be interesting to see how match referee Jeff Crowe deals with de Kock.

    Crowe has already moved on Australian offie Nathan Lyon who completed the run out by dropping the ball next to de Villiers when he was still prone on the ground after his desperate dive.

    Lyon has pleaded guilty to conduct contrary to the spirit of the game, and has been fined 15 per cent of his match fee.

    But Crowe must nip any future bad feeling between the two sides before the series degenerates into open warfare.

    The obvious move would be to call both teams into a meeting together in Port Elizabeth before the second Test starts, and read them the riot act.

    There’s no point in trying to ban sledging, it’s entrenched in cricket’s DNA.

    But there has to be a line drawn in the sand, which would become the benchmark for the series, and beyond.

    The big question, will Quinton de Kock be at the meeting, or at home waiting to watch the second Test on television?

    David Lord
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    • March 6th 2018 @ 9:11am
      RBBAnonymous said | March 6th 2018 @ 9:11am | ! Report

      Warner should toughen up a bit. He has dished out plenty of sledges which have crossed the line. In fact over the years the Aussies have been the worst offenders.

      • March 6th 2018 @ 9:41am
        Neville said | March 6th 2018 @ 9:41am | ! Report

        Fake news. Quinny has plenty of form himself. His temperament has been questioned previously.

        • March 6th 2018 @ 10:44am
          Sydneysider said | March 6th 2018 @ 10:44am | ! Report

          Sledging isn’t sledging anymore, hasn’t been since the early 1990’s. It’s now called personal abuse and all teams in cricket do it.

          I’m happy to see Warner cop it since he has dished it out on many occasions.

      • March 6th 2018 @ 1:42pm
        jameswm said | March 6th 2018 @ 1:42pm | ! Report

        “He has dished out plenty of sledges which have crossed the line”

        Evidence?

        • March 6th 2018 @ 9:55pm
          damo said | March 6th 2018 @ 9:55pm | ! Report

          Pretty much the same ‘evidence’ we have of what QdK allegedly said, i.e. none at all.

          • March 7th 2018 @ 7:48am
            George said | March 7th 2018 @ 7:48am | ! Report

            Only need evidence if it’s an Aussie who reacts with fury and tantrum.

      • March 6th 2018 @ 6:24pm
        Brian said | March 6th 2018 @ 6:24pm | ! Report

        Yea, I’d really like to see any see evidence that Warner has crossed the line ‘plenty’ of times. In fact I constantly hear that the Aussies are the worst, they take it too far, are bullies etc. Yet it seems pretty clear that when someone does take it too far (families involved, break your f’ing arm) etc it has a way of coming out and the Aussies aren’t often the perpetrators here.

        Personally I think all teams sledge just about as much as each other, the Aussies are just the best at it

    • March 6th 2018 @ 9:12am
      spruce moose said | March 6th 2018 @ 9:12am | ! Report

      Ignoring then that the South Africans insist Warner said something personal to provoke all this…

      Just nip this one in the bud. We DON’T know what was said. We won’t ever know what was said. There’s only speculation and rumour. Two men probably just took it a bit too far and are both embarrassed.

      This one sided article based entirely on speculation gets us nowhere.

      • Roar Rookie

        March 6th 2018 @ 12:54pm
        El Loco said | March 6th 2018 @ 12:54pm | ! Report

        Well said

      • March 6th 2018 @ 1:43pm
        jameswm said | March 6th 2018 @ 1:43pm | ! Report

        We DO know what what said. Or at least the players do, because it seems a lot of them heard it too.

        • March 6th 2018 @ 9:58pm
          damo said | March 6th 2018 @ 9:58pm | ! Report

          So “we” don’t actually know what he said but some people said he said something but they couldn’t possibly be considered biased so it must be true.

          Definitely hope you are never called for jury duty.

          • Roar Rookie

            March 6th 2018 @ 10:43pm
            El Loco said | March 6th 2018 @ 10:43pm | ! Report

            He’d make a great witness.

            “Do you know what was said, Mr Wm?”
            “Yes I most certainly do!”
            On cross-examination:
            “Let me rephrase the question Mr Wm, do you personally have the slightest clue what was said?”
            “Er, no I don’t.”
            “No further questions your honour.”

        • March 7th 2018 @ 7:49am
          George said | March 7th 2018 @ 7:49am | ! Report

          You have become so blinkered wm.

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        March 6th 2018 @ 1:46pm
        David Lord said | March 6th 2018 @ 1:46pm | ! Report

        The comment does you no credit spruce. Funny how the South Africans came out well after the CCTV proof outside the sheds to charge David Warner with having started the fracas by abusing Quinton de Kock’s mother and sister on the field earlier in the day.

        Really?

        How come no Australian heard Warner utter such abuse? It’s not as if Warner has a whisper voice, he goes as hard sledging as he does batting.

        Had Warner abused de Kock’s family on the field, Steve Smith would have heard it, and done something about it on the spot.

        The mere fact Smith did nothing is obviously because nothing happened.

        • March 6th 2018 @ 2:24pm
          Robbo said | March 6th 2018 @ 2:24pm | ! Report

          David. to think that you believe they would dob Warner in is laughable. Where have you been throughout his career? Australian cricket has always covered up for him , because of his value to the team with the bat. Nothing else.
          Admit it, he is an embarrassment to our cricket values. You of all people should be able to recognise that.

        • Roar Guru

          March 6th 2018 @ 3:16pm
          spruce moose said | March 6th 2018 @ 3:16pm | ! Report

          Again, astonishingly one sided.

          The South Africans are equally as adamant that Warner did say that stuff.

          Are you therefore tacitly accusing the South Africans of lying? That’s a insanely serious charge and one that really would warrant the moderators attention.

          SOMEONE is clearly lying. Either the Australians are or the South Africans are. I’m going to stay above the fold and not accuse any one team of it because we simply do not know. You have zero proof to accuse one team of lying and not the other.

          Maybe you should ask yourself why the Australians were so insistent of having the stump mic turned way down between balls.

        • Roar Guru

          March 6th 2018 @ 4:19pm
          DingoGray said | March 6th 2018 @ 4:19pm | ! Report

          I want some of what you are having David…..

          “How come no Australian heard Warner utter such abuse?” hahahaha….

          Australian’s wouldn’t protect their own……oh my god. You get paid to write this drivel.

        • March 6th 2018 @ 7:18pm
          Philby said | March 6th 2018 @ 7:18pm | ! Report

          Yes, good point, David. The stump mic’s pick up Aussies talking about XXXX beer, but nothing about alleged personal sledge by Warner?

          Yeah, right.

          The Saffer’s version only came out after they realised they’d been found out.

        • March 6th 2018 @ 8:12pm
          sheek said | March 6th 2018 @ 8:12pm | ! Report

          David,

          No winners here.

          You know the first rule of any ugly incident is: “deny, deny, deny”.

          The second rule is” “they started it, we done nuthin’ “.

        • March 6th 2018 @ 8:48pm
          John said | March 6th 2018 @ 8:48pm | ! Report

          Do you really think Smith and co are going to dob there mate in.
          Funny how the Aussies are always involved

        • March 7th 2018 @ 1:01am
          Tycoch22 said | March 7th 2018 @ 1:01am | ! Report

          I assume you are off your meds.

        • March 7th 2018 @ 7:39am
          Christo the Daddyo said | March 7th 2018 @ 7:39am | ! Report

          “The mere fact Smith did nothing is obviously because nothing happened.”

          Oh my God. You actually typed this and posted it a public forum. Now I’ve seen everything…

          • March 7th 2018 @ 7:54am
            George said | March 7th 2018 @ 7:54am | ! Report

            Mindboggling even for Lord.

        • March 7th 2018 @ 7:16pm
          Robbo said | March 7th 2018 @ 7:16pm | ! Report

          Oi Dave. Have you seen the latest video footage of Warner sledging De Kock surrounded by teammates?
          But nobody heard or saw a thing? So funny.

    • March 6th 2018 @ 9:15am
      cantab said | March 6th 2018 @ 9:15am | ! Report

      Waner crosses the line ever game. Was only a matter of time until someone brought up his wifes toilet tape with SBW.

      • March 6th 2018 @ 10:00am
        Nope said | March 6th 2018 @ 10:00am | ! Report

        And what a surprise it is a kiwi bringing it up now.

        Just like that peewee Jacko on the other article who constantly referred to it.

        What is it with kiwis and their obsession with other peoples sex lives?

        • March 6th 2018 @ 10:14am
          Neville said | March 6th 2018 @ 10:14am | ! Report

          Kiwis do seem to like toilet sex.

          • March 6th 2018 @ 10:34am
            Nope said | March 6th 2018 @ 10:34am | ! Report

            Actually, I think rumour and innuendo is where kiwis get their sex education about humans.

        • March 6th 2018 @ 7:38pm
          Jacko said | March 6th 2018 @ 7:38pm | ! Report

          Check your facts NOPE…I never mentioned SBW at all…I am shocked you could put 2 and 2 together tho…you dont seem that clever when name calling is your best effort
          pretty sure it was a SA player that supposedly mentioned SBW but show us all you are a racist

          • March 6th 2018 @ 8:56pm
            Nope said | March 6th 2018 @ 8:56pm | ! Report

            What’s that Jacko?

            “Tom M said
            Maybe De Kock mentioned an incident that happened at Randwick racecourse a few years back.

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            Jacko said
            Or an incident a few years earlier in a Nightclub toilet…So many “incidents” to choose from”

            • March 7th 2018 @ 9:54am
              Jacko said | March 7th 2018 @ 9:54am | ! Report

              So no mention of SBW then Eh…Told you…..

              • March 7th 2018 @ 2:59pm
                Nate said | March 7th 2018 @ 2:59pm | ! Report

                No mention of SBW directly, but a direct reference to the incident involving him. Stop being disingenuous.

      • March 6th 2018 @ 10:13am
        JoM said | March 6th 2018 @ 10:13am | ! Report

        Money Bill Williams, the Kiwi hero.

    • March 6th 2018 @ 9:19am
      Ad-0 said | March 6th 2018 @ 9:19am | ! Report

      Maybe he crossed the line, but since Davie Warner is the stupidest man in cricket, he gets a pass.

      • March 6th 2018 @ 9:44am
        Neville said | March 6th 2018 @ 9:44am | ! Report

        It’s not as if de Kock has much going on upstairs either.

        • March 6th 2018 @ 10:03am
          Ad-0 said | March 6th 2018 @ 10:03am | ! Report

          No way! Davie is captain and talisman of my all time stupid eleven. But I do need a decent keeper-batsmen so Quinton is in until I find someone dumber who can keep wicket and score a few down the order.

          • March 6th 2018 @ 10:11am
            Nope said | March 6th 2018 @ 10:11am | ! Report

            Johnny Bairstow. Dumb as.

            • March 6th 2018 @ 10:49am
              Ad-0 said | March 6th 2018 @ 10:49am | ! Report

              I like it. Headbutting instead of a handshake. That’s pretty stupid.

          • March 6th 2018 @ 10:22am
            Neville said | March 6th 2018 @ 10:22am | ! Report

            Stop looking, you will be wasting your time, Quinton’s your man.

            • March 6th 2018 @ 10:47am
              Ad-0 said | March 6th 2018 @ 10:47am | ! Report

              “The strength of Quinton as a cricketer is he doesn’t over-analyse things too much. He’s as simple as they come when it comes to thinking about the game or not thinking about the game”, Faf du Plessis .

              Seems Faf’s vote is with Quinton.

          • March 7th 2018 @ 7:56am
            George said | March 7th 2018 @ 7:56am | ! Report

            Wade?

    • March 6th 2018 @ 9:32am
      jim said | March 6th 2018 @ 9:32am | ! Report

      The big question for me is, what are the on-field umpires doing? Why don’t they step in?

      And after the game, where’s Coach Lehmann? Shouldn’t he handle this and not Warner?

      • March 7th 2018 @ 7:41am
        Christo the Daddyo said | March 7th 2018 @ 7:41am | ! Report

        Everything’s cherry ripe according to Boof. It’s all them over there that wot did it.

        • March 7th 2018 @ 7:58am
          George said | March 7th 2018 @ 7:58am | ! Report

          Standard non-response from Coach Teflon.

    • March 6th 2018 @ 9:46am
      George said | March 6th 2018 @ 9:46am | ! Report

      What is this mythical ‘line’? And why the bafflement that media and fans focus on player behaviour? Wacky idea but perhaps teams could stop sledging every match/series – or else at least acknowledge that they’re being aggressive and personal, and cop the punishments which result, rather than pleading innocence every time.

      • March 6th 2018 @ 12:10pm
        danwain said | March 6th 2018 @ 12:10pm | ! Report

        Rumour has it Warner had a crack at De Kocks appearance, is that personal though or just par for the course?

        • March 6th 2018 @ 1:09pm
          Gray-Hand said | March 6th 2018 @ 1:09pm | ! Report

          It’s on page one of Grubb’s guide to sledging.

        • March 6th 2018 @ 1:45pm
          jameswm said | March 6th 2018 @ 1:45pm | ! Report

          Davey’s not gracing the front cover of GQ any time soon…

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