How do you want to be remembered, Davy?

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    What is going through David Warner’s head? Not much it seems.

    Australia are undoubtedly a great cricket side. The current team have some world-class players, and arguably Warner probably rates as one of the best.

    But he does the baggy green and cricket Australia a disservice. At best he’s an extremely talented yet petulant child. At worst, he’s a yobbo with license to carry on as he sees fit on a world stage.

    I’ll show my colours; I’m a Kiwi. No surprises there, a Kiwi bagging Aussie cricketers. And it’s true there are times I’ve been less than charitable to the Australian cricket side. Sometimes they deserved it, sometimes they didn’t.

    But more often than not the comments were tongue in cheek, or returning fire in a bit of banter and there is a begrudging respect for the way Australia play the game.

    I spent a few years living in Adelaide and loved watching games at the Oval. I loved the crowds, I loved the banter, and more than anything I loved the way the domestic teams played the game.

    I remember travelling to Sydney in 2009 to watch the Black Caps play Australia in an ODI at the Sydney Cricket Ground. Yes, New Zealand lost. But in another chapter of cricketing theatre, Grant Elliott scored a hundred and Brendon McCullum batted with a busted hand to almost steal victory. Almost.

    Despite Australia having dropped a few games going into the match, it was played in good spirits. There was nothing I could yell at the Australian players that their own fans weren’t already yelling, and more.

    Australian batsman David Warner

    (AAP Image/Dave Hunt)

    I will never forget one of the locals turning to us, casting a critical eye over our beige supporter’s gear and saying ‘I do love your fawn and mocha tops’ before offering a beer.

    There was so much to enjoy about that day, from the pre-match yarns in the surrounding pubs, the banter with the fans at the ground, to just enjoying the iconic members stand and quality of the match itself.

    The series between New Zealand and England has been played in good spirits and has been a fantastic watch so far with some dramatic finishes. The Australia-South Africa series should be a step up again. It doesn’t need guys abusing each other or being separated off the field to create interest. Let the quality of cricket speak for itself.

    But these days Australia seem a bit more focused on flexing their muscle than playing the game.

    In 2016, Warner responded to the ICC crack down on sledging and trotted out this gem: “People think I’m this big, muscly guy that can give it to people on the field and whatnot, but that’s just how I play my game, that’s how I get up (for the occasion) and it’s what helps me strive to succeed for our team.”

    Warner is five feet 7, and 75kg. It is interesting that is how he sees himself. Is that what all the noise and posturing is really about, some sort of need to prove himself as the big man at every opportunity? I sincerely hope not; his bat does more than enough talking.

    Warner is making it harder and harder to respect Australian cricket. His childish on and off-field outbursts serve only to illustrate the current lack of leadership in the Australian team and his own lack of imagination.

    The reality is there have been no repercussions for Warner’s behaviour. It’s all been swept up into some sort of broad definition of gamesmanship endorsed by captain, coach and cricket Australia.

    David Warner in dressing room

    (Independent Media screenshot)

    There is such a thing as being poor winners.

    How is his behaviour acceptable? Would the Australian public accept this if it was Bernard Tomic or Nick Kyrgios? The why accept it from Warner?

    His supporters will say it’s because he’s passionate about representing Australia. I don’t doubt that.

    If he’s really passionate about representing Australia then maybe he should respect its history too and just take a moment before he speaks. If he can spot a fast ball and crack it to the fence in 0.5 of a second, he can certainly pause before barking ‘speak English’ at Virat Kholi.

    Warner has stated he is considering a post cricket career in politics, and in some respects his attitude probably wouldn’t hurt with that particular vocation.

    And that’s the thing; if he is starting to think about his future after the game, maybe he should start thinking about his legacy to the game.

    Does he want to be remembered as the guy with the big bat, or the guy with the big mouth?

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    • March 6th 2018 @ 7:39am
      bigbaz said | March 6th 2018 @ 7:39am | ! Report

      Maybe he wants to be remembered as a guy who stood up for his missus
      Love the roar, you always know you will cop a Kiwi lecture

      • March 6th 2018 @ 8:01am
        Christo the Daddyo said | March 6th 2018 @ 8:01am | ! Report

        Or he could do that by not rising to the bait. You know, like an adult is supposed to behave. And how we tell our children to grow out of. But I guess Warner has decided he doesn’t need to be mature.

        And when you don’t get any serious consequences from his captain/coach/administration, I guess it isn’t all that surprising…

        • March 6th 2018 @ 8:37am
          Mickey of Mo$man said | March 6th 2018 @ 8:37am | ! Report

          I am sure if someone disrespected your wife in such away christo you be ‘the bigger man’ wouldn’t you. what a pathetic article… i think you should be writing for the the roar’s New Zealand equivalent. comparing the contest for domestic cricket with that of the international game is a great example of your cricketing nouse.

          • March 6th 2018 @ 9:00am
            Bob Pacey said | March 6th 2018 @ 9:00am | ! Report

            I take the plss out of Christo all the time but on this he’s right – Warner has too thin a skin to be such a big mouth. If someone keeps leading with their chin eventually someone will pop one on it, that’s what I suspect happened here.

          • March 6th 2018 @ 9:37am
            Christo the Daddyo said | March 6th 2018 @ 9:37am | ! Report

            Why wouldn’t I walk away? By engaging with it, all you’re doing is showing that you care what the other person is saying. WHat does Warner think he’s going to achieve by mouthing off (or worse)?De Kock is doing it purely to wind Warner up. Warner has so little self-control he reacted to it. He’s just a sucker…the concerning thing is that he’s a highly experienced player who’s the vice-captain of the Australian Test team. I’d like to think someone like that doesn’t lose control in the way that he does.

            • March 6th 2018 @ 1:59pm
              jameswm said | March 6th 2018 @ 1:59pm | ! Report

              It’s one thing for us to walk away, it’s another to walk away when it’s said in an already charged up environment.

              Not how I would have reacted and not a good look, but you do need some context. It was a gutter comment from de Kock.

              • March 6th 2018 @ 2:24pm
                Christo the Daddyo said | March 6th 2018 @ 2:24pm | ! Report

                Which by all accounts was in response to some equally gutter comments by Warner. Which simply leaves him open to two points of criticism:
                1. He can dish it out but can’t take it. In other words, he’s emotionally weak and a bully and a hypocrite.
                2. As the vice captain of the Australian Test team, he should be able to not take the bait.

              • Roar Guru

                March 6th 2018 @ 5:00pm
                biltongbek said | March 6th 2018 @ 5:00pm | ! Report

                What was this alleged “gutter comment” made by de Kock?

              • March 6th 2018 @ 5:38pm
                Rob said | March 6th 2018 @ 5:38pm | ! Report

                +1 Christo the Daddyo.

              • March 6th 2018 @ 5:46pm
                jameswm said | March 6th 2018 @ 5:46pm | ! Report

                By some accounts was in response to comments by Warner. The Aussies deny that.

              • March 6th 2018 @ 7:30pm
                sheek said | March 6th 2018 @ 7:30pm | ! Report


                As a lawyer you must know the first rule of any unsavoury engagement: “deny, deny, deny, deny, deny”…..

                The second rule is this: “It was them that started it, we done nuthin’ “.

              • March 7th 2018 @ 6:40am
                Chris said | March 7th 2018 @ 6:40am | ! Report

                What did Dr Kick say?

            • March 6th 2018 @ 8:50pm
              Fergus said | March 6th 2018 @ 8:50pm | ! Report

              everyone has a tipping point you just have to find it. Doesn’t mean warner lacks self control, i’d argue the fact he didn’t punch decock in the face and kept it verbal indicates great self control. Self control is very hard to judge as it is a lack of an action, people seem to be very quick to forget that.

          • Roar Guru

            March 6th 2018 @ 11:43am
            spruce moose said | March 6th 2018 @ 11:43am | ! Report

            @ Mickey

            1. We don’t actually know what was said. It’s just conjecture.
            2. I’ll bet all the money in your Mosman pockets Warner has had a crack at someone’s partner at some stage in his career.
            3. This has all the hallmarks of the McGrath-Sarwan incident. Australian player baited another player with an equally vile sledge, other player responds in kind, Australian player then acts like a chump.

            But, that is ALL speculative.

      • Roar Guru

        March 6th 2018 @ 8:55am
        Wal said | March 6th 2018 @ 8:55am | ! Report

        His misses isn’t some pathetic wallflower that needs protecting.
        I can’t understand why it is perfectly ok to level all sorts of insults at a player but somehow their wives are delicate little things that need protecting.
        And why do the Aussie cricket team get to decide where the line of offence is. Someone might be just as sensitive about their weight as Warner is about his wife, what makes him the arbiter of offence.
        How about play the game don’t insult anyone. Especially when the game is almost already won.

        • March 6th 2018 @ 9:01am
          Bob Pacey said | March 6th 2018 @ 9:01am | ! Report

          Well said Wal.

          P.S. Steve Smith is a pathetic leader on this.

          • March 6th 2018 @ 3:12pm
            Sydneysider said | March 6th 2018 @ 3:12pm | ! Report

            Steve Smith is complicit in allowing this to happen. Pathetic, limp wristed leadership.

            It’s the culture of the team and what’s been allowed that is the problem. This sort of stuff has been allowed to happen by Lehmann, Smith and previous captains and management.

            That’s the culture of the Aussie cricket team.

            • March 6th 2018 @ 9:09pm
              Fergus said | March 6th 2018 @ 9:09pm | ! Report

              curious how he was one of the ones holding Warner back yet he’s still complicit, guess you want him to tape warner’s mouth shut so he can’t speak.

        • Roar Guru

          March 6th 2018 @ 9:05am
          Wal said | March 6th 2018 @ 9:05am | ! Report

          Some my ethnicity makes my opinion invalid???

          • March 6th 2018 @ 9:09am
            bigbaz said | March 6th 2018 @ 9:09am | ! Report

            Makes you a sheep

            • Roar Guru

              March 6th 2018 @ 9:15am
              Wal said | March 6th 2018 @ 9:15am | ! Report

              We constructed argument there Baz.

        • March 6th 2018 @ 10:00am
          Duncan Smith said | March 6th 2018 @ 10:00am | ! Report

          Agree. Don’t sledge if you can’t cop the return serve.

        • Roar Guru

          March 6th 2018 @ 11:08am
          Cadfael said | March 6th 2018 @ 11:08am | ! Report

          We have to accept that this was all Warner’s and Australia’s fault. While we’re at it also their fault for the black death, extinction of the dinosaurs and Harvey Weinstein.

          • March 7th 2018 @ 6:45am
            Chris said | March 7th 2018 @ 6:45am | ! Report

            No, we just think Warner and the people supporting him are a joke

        • March 6th 2018 @ 12:50pm
          Kris said | March 6th 2018 @ 12:50pm | ! Report

          Well said Wal. The Aussies like to forget it is an international game and decide that their standards of what is or is not offensive must apply to everyone. Why should an Indian player pay any mind to what might offend an Aussie but an Aussie player can say what he pleases to an Indian?

        • March 6th 2018 @ 1:59pm
          jameswm said | March 6th 2018 @ 1:59pm | ! Report

          The Aussies don’t decide where the line is. The ICC do.

          • March 6th 2018 @ 7:20pm
            sheek said | March 6th 2018 @ 7:20pm | ! Report


            That’s certainly true.

            But also some players deiced where the line ends, especially if they’re no longer getting the best of the exchange.

            Warner apparently blew up t comments from De Kock about his wife.

            But now we also hear warner had been baiting De Kock throughout his rescue innings.

            Perhaps De Kock decided it was time to up the ante.

            If players don’t like the heat in the kitchen, don’t go there. Simple.

            The heat was fine for Warner when he was the “giver”. But he didn’t like the heat when he became the “receiver”.

        • Roar Guru

          March 6th 2018 @ 2:29pm
          JamesH said | March 6th 2018 @ 2:29pm | ! Report

          I love the way you all act like other sides don’t know where the line is too. You can bet your bottom dollar de Kock does. The bloke was grinning his head off in that footage.

          • March 6th 2018 @ 11:35pm
            Bob Pacey said | March 6th 2018 @ 11:35pm | ! Report

            Because he knew he’d won JamesH.

        • March 6th 2018 @ 9:04pm
          Fergus said | March 6th 2018 @ 9:04pm | ! Report

          Because it’s not insulting warner it’s insulting someone else, or more importantly its insulting a relationship of high emotional weight. People are not as sensitive about there weight as they are about there wifes if you think that you clearly have no concept of love.

          “How about play the game don’t insult anyone. Especially when the game is almost already won.”

          curious how you’ve failed to apply that to de cock

      • March 6th 2018 @ 12:34pm
        DaveJ said | March 6th 2018 @ 12:34pm | ! Report

        But according to the South Africans Warner made comments about de Kock’s wife and mother on the field. I find it entirely credible. By all accounts and appearance de Kock is pretty meek and mild. Don’t think I’ve ever seen him do any sledging behind the stumps.

    • March 6th 2018 @ 9:11am
      Paul said | March 6th 2018 @ 9:11am | ! Report

      There are two very distinct issues here. The first occurred on the field when he gave de Villiers a sendoff and Markram a spray. There was ZERO need for that, especially from the vice captain of Australia, yet he kept it going for many seconds. It’s also safe to assume his sledging didn’t stop there which cold have led into the incident at tea.

      The second issue is the CCTV tape, which no-one outside the people on the tape know what it’s about. Clearly Warner is saying something at de Kock, clearly his fellow players are trying to move him gently to the change rooms and clearly Warner’s upset/angry. Right now, that’s it. It’s a non-event except in the eyes of the media. It did not happen on the field and should not have been shown until the circumstances had been clearly identified. As it is, it’s two blokes exchanging words.

      Warner probably doesn’t care much about his legacy as he’s the sort of guy who lives in the moment. What he does need to do is decide whether his actions are having a direct, negative impact on his own form and on the team. If the answer’s “yes”, he should surely pull his head in, though I fear it may be way too late.

      • March 6th 2018 @ 2:00pm
        jameswm said | March 6th 2018 @ 2:00pm | ! Report

        He didn’t give ABDV a send-off. He gave Markram a spray – a big spray.

        • March 6th 2018 @ 7:59pm
          Linphoma said | March 6th 2018 @ 7:59pm | ! Report

          And look where that got him J? 143 big runs from the 7-Test tyro. Didn’t matter in the end but a reflective captain and management might like to remind young David ye reap what ye sow.

    • March 6th 2018 @ 9:13am
      Whiteline said | March 6th 2018 @ 9:13am | ! Report

      Wal 100%.
      Smith, Warner, Lehmann, Sutherland and the CA Board (who endorse the VC selection) all condone this behaviour.

      We all hope that one day those who run Australian cricket realise that this doesn’t have to be the way, there is a better way.
      Federer, Nadal anyone?

      • Roar Guru

        March 6th 2018 @ 9:41am
        Wal said | March 6th 2018 @ 9:41am | ! Report

        There are so many examples of sports people who prove you don’t need to sledge to win. Unfortunately, it just doesn’t sell as many papers to praise good behaviour.
        And just to prove to Baz it’s not about Aussie Bashing plenty are Aussies who are legends both on and off the field.
        Jason Day, Tim Cahill, Daniel Ricciardo, Jamie Whincup, Craig Lowndes, Peter Brock, Pat Cash, David Pocock, John Eales. And in Cricket Lyon has proved his class apologising to AB after a very minor over celebration earnt a fine.

        • March 6th 2018 @ 9:53am
          Jarryd Thompson said | March 6th 2018 @ 9:53am | ! Report

          The Lyon thing was such a non event. I have dropped the ball in the same spot on the pitch probably 100 times before I ran off to celebrate with the team. He didn’t hit AB with the ball, he didn’t step/stand over him or mouth off he just dropped the ball beside him (as he lay next to the stumps) and ran off to join the team.

          Seriously stupid he copped some trumped up contrary conduct charge. I bet Warner, de Cock and Rabada are nervous if that can earn you a penalty from the match review.

          • Roar Guru

            March 6th 2018 @ 1:29pm
            Wal said | March 6th 2018 @ 1:29pm | ! Report

            You are right and he has every right to feel aggrieved for copping the fine.
            Instead, he has shown his class apologised to AB and copped it on the chin. In full knowledge that whining about it will achieve zero. However, it was silly and gloating, which cricket does have rules against.

            • March 6th 2018 @ 2:02pm
              jameswm said | March 6th 2018 @ 2:02pm | ! Report

              I like how Gazza says combative stuff in the press, and is about as scary as a labrador puppy.

      • March 6th 2018 @ 5:45pm
        Rob said | March 6th 2018 @ 5:45pm | ! Report

        Pat Rafter, Mick Fanning and Cameron Smith. The Queensland boys.

    • Roar Rookie

      March 6th 2018 @ 9:59am
      Matthew Pearce said | March 6th 2018 @ 9:59am | ! Report

      “Abuse is wrong, and I’ll tell you that by insulting anyone who I think deserves it”. Classic.

      I can guarantee by the time the next test finishes we’ll have forgotten all about this non-controversy. Probably will have found something else to get disproportionately outraged about.

      • March 6th 2018 @ 12:47pm
        Kris said | March 6th 2018 @ 12:47pm | ! Report

        I’m not sure anyone is outraged, just disappointed that its has happened AGAIN and taken some of the lustre off a great win. If there is any outrage it is the more general sort where we get cranky at the hypocrisy of someone he thinks is allowed to sledge then cuts up rough when he cops something his own way.

        • Roar Rookie

          March 6th 2018 @ 1:22pm
          Matthew Pearce said | March 6th 2018 @ 1:22pm | ! Report


          That’s my point below, though. Warner had pulled his head in and hasn’t actually carried on in the manner people like to make out that he does in years. This is actually a fairly atypical incident, given his record over the past 3 or 4 years.

          As for the last statement, we don’t know if it’s that simple or not. We should be reserving judgement on that part until we actually know what happened.

    • March 6th 2018 @ 10:00am
      DLKN said | March 6th 2018 @ 10:00am | ! Report

      What happened to the new, improved David Warner, reformed lunatic, statesman of the game and upstanding custodian of its better traditions, that we all had shoved down our throats by the carefully stage-managed publicists and fawning media articles over recent weeks and months?

      It seems that you only have to scratch the surface to reveal true character, or lack thereof.

      Nobody has come out of this sordid incident without reputational damage – not Warner, not De Kock, not Lyon, not Smith. Ok, maybe Khawaja, who sought to defuse the event by trying (unsuccessfully) to remove the immature tantrum-thrower from the vicinity.

      • March 6th 2018 @ 10:21am
        Pedro the Maroon said | March 6th 2018 @ 10:21am | ! Report

        You forgot “cardoon watching OLEd tv owner”

      • March 6th 2018 @ 2:03pm
        jameswm said | March 6th 2018 @ 2:03pm | ! Report

        He made a mistake. It happens.

        • March 6th 2018 @ 4:06pm
          spruce moose said | March 6th 2018 @ 4:06pm | ! Report


          The same can be said of de Kock, but you’ve been quite supportive of Warner’s right to defend himself.

          • March 6th 2018 @ 5:48pm
            jameswm said | March 6th 2018 @ 5:48pm | ! Report

            I have? All I’ve said is Warner’s actions in the video need to be put into context. I don’t support violence. I’ve been critical of Warner for overreacting and said it wasn’t a good look.

      • March 6th 2018 @ 9:11pm
        Fergus said | March 6th 2018 @ 9:11pm | ! Report

        seems you can judge the true character of a person these days just by whats been said in the media.

    • March 6th 2018 @ 10:02am
      Duncan Smith said | March 6th 2018 @ 10:02am | ! Report

      I’ll never forget Warner after the IPL was bagged by a journo and he told the journo to ‘get a real job’. Like getting paid a million bucks in the IPL is a real job.

      Great batsmen, no rocket scientist.

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