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    Australia’s emphatic victory over South Africa in the series opener at Kingsmead won’t have come as a surprise to those who follow the form.

    The hosts recently saw off India, who travel as well as somebody with chronic airsickness, and Australia laid waste to England who, like their sub-continental counterparts, aren’t currently the best of travellers.

    So two in-form nations going head-to-head in an eagerly anticipated collision with both quite rightly fancying their chances.

    That it was the tourists who came out on top can, if you want to look at it in particularly simple terms of reference, is mainly down to the fact that they are a better side.

    The South African seam attack doesn’t give much away to the Australians’ in terms of talent (a fit Dale Steyn would change the dynamic but that is conjecture) and both outfits possess a handful of outstanding batsmen, but the sum of the parts adds up to more with Steve Smith’s side.

    That doesn’t necessarily guarantee success, of course, but when things click into place, as they did in Durban, the chances of coming out on top are greatly increased – and so it came to pass.

    Australia's bowler Nathan Lyon, left, and teammates celebrate

    However, all I’ve read since the contest concluded is the fallout from the latest episode of behaviour that won’t be used to promote the sport anytime soon.

    If we’re talking about occurrences that don’t lead to eyebrows being raised, the identity of one of the chief protagonists would be on the list.

    Just for a moment, put to one side who said what to whom – this certainly isn’t a case of the traffic all flowing in the same direction – and think of the incidents that have involved Australia over the past few years.

    It’s safe to say you won’t need to do much in the way of in-depth research to find that David Warner is generally in the thick of things.

    If you present a free bar to someone with a liking for beer, there’s a better-than-average chance they’ll get plastered; offer the opportunity of a slanging match then the smart money would go on Warner being front and centre.

    There could well be mitigating circumstances in this particular contretemps – and if what was said is as has been reported there is some sort of case for the defence – but if you are prepared to offend your opposition time and time again, at some point there will be a response.

    I agree with Smith’s assertion that talk on a cricket field shouldn’t get personal, but you’re living in cloud-cuckoo-land if you believe the majority is anything but, and it is nearly always the case that the final word is coarser than the first.

    It doesn’t take much of a leap to graduate from the so-called mental disintegration of recent fame to something more cutting. Once the adrenaline is flowing, the content becomes a mere detail.

    If a charge sheet was to be presented, the Australian vice-captain’s would run to a few more pages to that of the majority of his peers.

    You can play the game in the desired manner without having to resort to abusing all and sundry, but this has obviously escaped those who place ridiculous bravado on a par with an aggressive method.

    Warner is the poster boy for this kind of thing but whether it is him, Quinton de Kock or anybody else for that matter – and there are a few around the world who could do with taking a look at themselves – the kind of shenanigans portrayed in a Kingsmead stairwell only present those involved in a poor light.

    You would be alarmed if primary school children behaved in this manner, let alone a pair of grown adults. The saddest aspect is that, yet again, cricket as a sport looks incapable of managing itself.

    The focus should really be on Mitchell Marsh’s continued resurrection as a Test cricketer – is this really the same bloke who was way out of his depth in England a couple of years ago? – or Mitchell Starc’s unparalleled ability when a vulnerable tail in his sights, or even the excellent form of wicketkeeper Tim Paine.

    But instead, we get a case of ‘he started it’, ‘no, you started it’, both sides unwilling to admit blame, denials and accusations tossed around indiscriminately and a perfect excuse for the tabloids to go to town.

    Come the second Test in Port Elizabeth on Friday, is it too much to ask that the cricket will assume top billing, with a collection of excellent players showing off what they’re actually paid to do?

    Hope springs eternal.

    Alec Swann
    Alec Swann

    Alec Swann is a former Northants and Lancashire opener turned cricket writer. Outside of the joys of a Test match, Newcastle United and golf generally occupy his other sporting interests with a soft spot for the Newcastle Knights.

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    • March 8th 2018 @ 7:16am
      Nope said | March 8th 2018 @ 7:16am | ! Report

      If a charge sheet was to be presented, the Australian vice-captain’s would run to a few more pages to that of the majority of his peers.””

      When it comes to being charged by the ICC for misdemenaours Warner has a pretty clean record for the past few years.
      The thug De Kock however, has several charges against him for physically attacking other players.
      Thought you’d be unlike the other numpties Alec and spend a small amount of time doing research rather than giving in to your confirmation bias.

      http://www.espn.com.au/cricket/story/_/id/22096106/lions-hit-quinton-de-kock-imran-tahir-bans

      http://cricket.co.za/news/7466/De-Kock-found-guilty-of-breaching-ICC-Code-of-Conduct

      I’m reckoning there are many of Warners peers who have a far more unsavoury record than he does. Focusing on him however, makes the insecure and self-righteous people feel all superior because it’s easy to pick on a working-class guy from Sydneys Western suburbs and point at him and say “look, there goes the bad guy. I’m so much better than him”.’
      Makes them feel all gooey and superior inside. They are the worst sort of grub.

      • March 8th 2018 @ 7:21am
        Flemo said | March 8th 2018 @ 7:21am | ! Report

        Dekock should grow up, you can’t attack people’s wives and get away with it, I am with warner in this one

        • March 8th 2018 @ 3:00pm
          Jeff said | March 8th 2018 @ 3:00pm | ! Report

          But you can attack a person’s mother, sister or how he looks? Who are you or Warner to define what crosses the arbitrary line in the sand?

          To the rest of the world, Warner sledged deKock for a good part of an hour, then acted like a little cry baby when deKock responded back. That’s how it looks to any objective person. I see the little sook has gone crying to the media as well which isn’t a good look.

          Can’t believe you Aussies have the nerve to play the victims here.

          • March 8th 2018 @ 3:24pm
            Diplomatt said | March 8th 2018 @ 3:24pm | ! Report

            Where do you hail from good sir?

          • March 12th 2018 @ 8:00am
            Hammer50 said | March 12th 2018 @ 8:00am | ! Report

            Prior to the recent Ashes both Mr and Mrs Warner had a bit to say about Ben Stokes. They claimed he shouldn’t be allowed to play. If you live in glass houses dont walk around naked or throw stones.
            If you are not a bowler then dont sledge a batsman as cricket works better that way.

      • March 8th 2018 @ 7:32am
        Ches said | March 8th 2018 @ 7:32am | ! Report

        DW is not from the “Western Suburbs” he is from Matraville

        • March 8th 2018 @ 9:50am
          Ouch said | March 8th 2018 @ 9:50am | ! Report

          When i was growing up, Matraville was indeed the Western suburbs. Us snobs on the Northern Beaches used the derogatory word “Westies” to describe them. Sure, it’s considered the inner west nowadays because over the past 15 years it has been gentrified.

          • Roar Guru

            March 8th 2018 @ 10:34am
            spruce moose said | March 8th 2018 @ 10:34am | ! Report

            When you were growing up, you couldn’t read a map. There’s nothing “West” about Matraville at all.

            It lies to the EAST of Sydney. Maroubra is it’s local beach.

            You are thinking of Marrickville.

            • March 8th 2018 @ 12:18pm
              George said | March 8th 2018 @ 12:18pm | ! Report

              Ouch indeed.

        • Roar Guru

          March 8th 2018 @ 4:13pm
          JamesH said | March 8th 2018 @ 4:13pm | ! Report

          Yeah, but he still grew up in a poor family in public housing.

          • March 9th 2018 @ 12:05am
            Bellamorey said | March 9th 2018 @ 12:05am | ! Report

            So did I. But I don’t carry on like a plank when it suits.

      • March 8th 2018 @ 7:36am
        Neil Back said | March 8th 2018 @ 7:36am | ! Report

        And there you go again. Spectacularly missing the point, and totally clueless why.

      • March 8th 2018 @ 7:39am
        Fraser said | March 8th 2018 @ 7:39am | ! Report

        And yet you ignore this, just two paragraphs down (emphasis on “or anybody else”):

        “Warner is the poster boy for this kind of thing but whether it is him, Quinton de Kock or anybody else for that matter – and there are a few around the world who could do with taking a look at themselves – the kind of shenanigans portrayed in a Kingsmead stairwell only present those involved in a poor light.”

        The point being, that it’s not about Warner or De Kock. Just all of this “he said something first” BS is a terrible look for the game, and an appalling way for human beings to behave.

        • Columnist

          March 8th 2018 @ 9:47am
          Alec Swann said | March 8th 2018 @ 9:47am | ! Report

          Fraser

          Exactly.

          • March 9th 2018 @ 1:55am
            Don Freo said | March 9th 2018 @ 1:55am | ! Report

            So, Alec, why would you keep the silliness alive and write an article about it?

            Let it fade away and talk cricket. This is only a journo issue. It is not a cricket issue.

        • March 8th 2018 @ 9:57am
          Nope said | March 8th 2018 @ 9:57am | ! Report

          “The point being, that it’s not about Warner”

          Yeh it is. Alec writes “Warner is the poster boy for this kind of thing” with the lazily added caveat at the end “but whether it is him or anyone else”.
          .

          • March 8th 2018 @ 1:44pm
            Neil Back said | March 8th 2018 @ 1:44pm | ! Report

            Warner proclaims himself as the poster boy for this kind of thing. He revels in it. Takes pride in it.

            Fine cricketer, but a boofhead as an adult.

            • March 8th 2018 @ 2:28pm
              Nope said | March 8th 2018 @ 2:28pm | ! Report

              Where has he proclaimed himself the poster boy for ‘this kind of thing?’. You have proclaimed it. Alec has proclaimed it. Have you got a link showing where Warner proclaims it?

              Or is it just your opinion?

              • March 8th 2018 @ 3:58pm
                Neil Back said | March 8th 2018 @ 3:58pm | ! Report

                “As soon as you step on that line it’s war,” Warner said on ABC Grandstand. “You try and get into a battle as quick as you can. I try and look in the opposition’s eyes and try and work out: ‘How can I dislike this player? How can I get on top of him? …. You have to delve and dig deep into yourself to actually get some hatred about them to actually get up when you’re out there ….… but come day one when we walk out there, there will definitely be some words exchanged’.

              • March 8th 2018 @ 3:59pm
                Neil Back said | March 8th 2018 @ 3:59pm | ! Report

                Fine cricketer, but a boofhead as an adult.

              • March 8th 2018 @ 4:59pm
                Nope said | March 8th 2018 @ 4:59pm | ! Report

                I can see your point Neil and agree somewhat but i also read that as the way he psyches himself up to play.
                Nevertheless, you are right in saying ‘Fine cricketer, boofhead adult”.

              • March 8th 2018 @ 5:21pm
                George said | March 8th 2018 @ 5:21pm | ! Report

                Psyches himself up and then abuses. Boof approves. Smith too.

              • March 9th 2018 @ 9:05am
                Don Freo said | March 9th 2018 @ 9:05am | ! Report

                .. and you do the same. Go figure.

      • Roar Guru

        March 8th 2018 @ 8:52am
        spruce moose said | March 8th 2018 @ 8:52am | ! Report

        “The thug De Kock however, has several charges against him for physically attacking other players…”

        Because David Warner didn’t punch another player in a bar now did he?

        Before you accuse others of not doing research, you’d think you’d know where Warner comes from. I love how you assume as he’s got a working class background and is clearly not the sharpest tool in the shed that he must come from the Western suburbs.

        • March 8th 2018 @ 9:43am
          Nope said | March 8th 2018 @ 9:43am | ! Report

          Oh how predictable.

          Privileged, middle-aged white guy doesn’t like his view of the world challenged.

          • Roar Guru

            March 8th 2018 @ 10:37am
            spruce moose said | March 8th 2018 @ 10:37am | ! Report

            If privileged means I’m educated enough to read a map and know that David Warner is from the Eastern suburbs, then privileged be I.

            Beats the bogan dump you come from.

        • March 8th 2018 @ 9:52am
          Ouch said | March 8th 2018 @ 9:52am | ! Report

          David Warner grew up on a housing commission estate in the 80’s and 90’s. If you are from Sydney you would know that was a working class area back then. It’s only the past 15 years or so that it has changed.

          • Roar Guru

            March 8th 2018 @ 10:35am
            spruce moose said | March 8th 2018 @ 10:35am | ! Report

            Ouch, as I said up above. You have confused Matraville with Marrickville.

            • March 8th 2018 @ 12:09pm
              Ouch said | March 8th 2018 @ 12:09pm | ! Report

              So what? Doesn’t change the fact he grew up in a housing commission estate in Matraville. It was working class suburb.

              • March 8th 2018 @ 12:22pm
                George said | March 8th 2018 @ 12:22pm | ! Report

                Australia and Austria are also both part of the Global North.

              • Roar Guru

                March 8th 2018 @ 1:20pm
                spruce moose said | March 8th 2018 @ 1:20pm | ! Report

                I’ll give it to you. You got a shovel and you started to try and dig your way out. You failed miserably, but you tried.

                Besides, this idea that David Warner’s upbringing is in anyway at all relevant to this discussion (I’m aware you didn’t raise it – Nope did) is ridiculous and insulting to the working class, or any class. The fact that David Warner happens to now be a millionaire is also irrelevant.

                Careful when you ever travel to Perth. You may end up in Tasmania.

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perth,_Tasmania

              • March 8th 2018 @ 2:01pm
                Ouch said | March 8th 2018 @ 2:01pm | ! Report

                “I love how you assume as he’s got a working class background”

                I was responding to you because you mentioned it.
                Matraville was a working class suburb. Oh,and it lies to the South east of Sydney, not the east. Best brush up on those map reading skills you so proudly claim to have.

                https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/rags-to-riches-dad-and-dave-warner-from-housing-estate-to-millionaire/news-story/9560b7b9155e06e5f1cebf27aee7bfb8

              • March 8th 2018 @ 2:17pm
                Nope said | March 8th 2018 @ 2:17pm | ! Report

                “If privileged means I’m educated enough to read a map and know that David Warner is from the Eastern suburbs, then privileged be I.”

                Seems you can’t do either. lol. Seeing as you are so fond of maps bud;

                https://www.google.com.au/maps/place/Matraville+NSW+2036/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x6b12b17511c8ec11:0x5017d681632c050?sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjogN2n4dvZAhXHupQKHbiACnUQ8gEIJjAA

                fyi, east is to the right. South is to the bottom lol.

              • Roar Guru

                March 8th 2018 @ 3:37pm
                spruce moose said | March 8th 2018 @ 3:37pm | ! Report

                @ Ouch

                Your whole argument was based on the spectacularly dumb confusion of Matraville and Marrickville (and then, doubled down with your modern ‘inner west’ classification of Matraville when you meant Marrickville).

                You’ve lost.

                @ Nope

                Oh, it was a good try for you. It really was. Unfortunately, the Australian Bureau of Statistics disagrees with your ability to read a map, and agrees with mine. http://stat.abs.gov.au/itt/r.jsp?RegionSummary&region=118&dataset=ABS_REGIONAL_ASGS&geoconcept=REGION&datasetASGS=ABS_REGIONAL_ASGS&datasetLGA=ABS_NRP9_LGA&regionLGA=REGION&regionASGS=REGION

                Matraville is inside the Eastern suburbs. As is Paddington (where Warner was born), and Randwick (where Warner went to high school). The man is East to his core.

                It was a good attempt, bud. Run along back to your shanty.

              • March 8th 2018 @ 3:48pm
                Nope said | March 8th 2018 @ 3:48pm | ! Report

                The not-so-spruce goose has been owned with facts and has resorted to playing the man, rather than the ball. Personal insults. tut tut. It is amusing, watching a privileged, white middle class male struggle to prove his superiority, that he is some sort of winner. Shanty? lol.

                I’ll give it to you. You got a shovel and you started to try and dig your way out. You failed miserably, but you tried.

              • March 8th 2018 @ 4:25pm
                Ben Brown said | March 8th 2018 @ 4:25pm | ! Report

                Nope, what has him being ‘privileged’ or ‘white’ got anything to do with it? How do you know these things????

              • March 8th 2018 @ 4:42pm
                Ouch said | March 8th 2018 @ 4:42pm | ! Report

                “You’ve lost.”

                Lost what? This was some sort of competition?

                “Your whole argument was based on the spectacularly dumb confusion of Matraville and Marrickville”

                No. Again you are wrong. Spectacularly so. My point, (not argument) was that David Warner came from a working class background and grew up on a housing commission estate.
                You disputed that. I proved you were incorrect.
                Whether it was Marrickville or Matraville is here nor there. The point (as i had already mentioned several times) was D. Warner hailed from a poor, working class area. Instead of acceptingyou were wrong you changed the focus onto a mistake in naming the suburbs and continued to rant and rave, finally resorting to childish phrases like “spectacularly dumb”, “you’ve lost”and posting maps. How frickin’ old are you?
                I have seen you act like this to numerous times to people who have disagreed with you.

                The insecurity and neediness you exhibit, to be seen as some sort of “Winner” is extremely immature and highly embarrassing for you. You are upset that unlike others, i have stood up to your bullying tactics.

                And btw, if you stand at the Sydney GPO and use a compass, it points south east to the Matraville area. Just sayin’……….

              • March 8th 2018 @ 4:53pm
                Osmond said | March 8th 2018 @ 4:53pm | ! Report

                What does David Warner growing up in housing commission have to do with his behaviour on the cricket field?

              • March 8th 2018 @ 5:25pm
                George said | March 8th 2018 @ 5:25pm | ! Report

                Not sure what the working class comment is all about. I assume you’re trying to use that as an excuse for Warner’s bully boy tactics. But you also seem to think his behaviour is fine… I’m confused.

              • March 8th 2018 @ 5:08pm
                Jacko said | March 8th 2018 @ 5:08pm | ! Report

                He may be working but I dont see the “class”

            • March 8th 2018 @ 9:28pm
              spruce moose said | March 8th 2018 @ 9:28pm | ! Report

              @ Ouch

              I echo Osmond’s question.

              @ Nope

              So you reject the ABS definition for your own? Classic bogan nationalist. Shows Aussie pride but rejects the political and civil institutions that allows him to do it.

      • March 8th 2018 @ 9:05am
        TC123 said | March 8th 2018 @ 9:05am | ! Report

        Yawn

      • March 8th 2018 @ 11:33am
        Osmond said | March 8th 2018 @ 11:33am | ! Report

        David Warner isn’t working class, and if there are excuses for his behaviour, growing up in Matraville isn’t one of them.

        • Roar Guru

          March 8th 2018 @ 4:18pm
          JamesH said | March 8th 2018 @ 4:18pm | ! Report

          Not that I think it’s relevant, but Warner is working class to his core. Eastern suburbs or not, he grew up in a housing commission and his family was dirt poor.

          • March 8th 2018 @ 4:27pm
            Osmond said | March 8th 2018 @ 4:27pm | ! Report

            No, it’s not relevant, and nor is it true. He’s a millionaire international cricketer, there’s nothing working class about that.

            • March 8th 2018 @ 5:35pm
              George said | March 8th 2018 @ 5:35pm | ! Report

              Not true! He makes $25K a year tops…

    • March 8th 2018 @ 7:55am
      Robson said | March 8th 2018 @ 7:55am | ! Report

      Sportsman are overpaid Neanderthals.
      DW who was brought up in Matraville,which is 2 kms from where I live has a quick fuse and often over reacts.This time he was provoked unfairly and the angelic looking Quinton is to blame for this situatio

    • March 8th 2018 @ 9:05am
      Pope Paul VII said | March 8th 2018 @ 9:05am | ! Report

      More footage has emerged with the ump strolling behind this time, doing nothing.

      • March 8th 2018 @ 8:09pm
        paulywalnuts said | March 8th 2018 @ 8:09pm | ! Report

        It’s a bit like “simulation” in soccer. It’s a terrible look, but the authorities have turned a blind eye to it for so long, it becomes very difficult to address. Mouth breathers like Warner genuinely believe it’s an integral part of the game.

    • March 8th 2018 @ 9:08am
      mad monk said | March 8th 2018 @ 9:08am | ! Report

      Can someone just cut and paste yesterday’s comments and insert here as I have a terrible sense of deja vu

    • March 8th 2018 @ 9:11am
      Neil Back said | March 8th 2018 @ 9:11am | ! Report

      Well said Alec. Spot on. Found myself agreeing with every sentiment – even the headline which I presume wasn’t yours.

    • March 8th 2018 @ 9:27am
      Diplomatt said | March 8th 2018 @ 9:27am | ! Report

      Like little bro was ever short of a word on the field? Sooky article. Do you not question the cynical release of the footage?

      • Columnist

        March 8th 2018 @ 9:53am
        Alec Swann said | March 8th 2018 @ 9:53am | ! Report

        Diplomatt

        Did Graeme ever have a word on the field? Yes he did, just like the vast majority do.

        However, there’s a difference, rather blatant, between that and acting like an imbecile and if wanting to see players acting like adults makes this a sooky article then so be it.

        And as for the release of the footage, it was no different to any host country.

        • March 8th 2018 @ 9:59am
          Diplomatt said | March 8th 2018 @ 9:59am | ! Report

          Thank you for taking the time to reply Alec. It was internal CCTV footage. Without it we would probably just be talking about the cricket. Unfortunately for the Saffas it has backfired. Can’t help but think the poor crowd numbers may have had something to do with it?

        • March 8th 2018 @ 12:09pm
          Mike Dugg said | March 8th 2018 @ 12:09pm | ! Report

          Yes the leaked footage which was released almost immediately. Yet we are yet to see the stump mic audio released which would show more of what both parties have said during the test. Funny that. There might be something on that audio which would paint the South Africans in a bad light.

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